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[Auralius Carolus]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Do you think it's possible that TIM could control Shepards movement, but Harbinger/Starchild can't?

I actually think you made an argument in IDTs favor my friend.

I'm getting into a "bad" habit of doing that.

But on control, do I think TIM could? No, I don't.

First off, if TIM is using biotics, he's using them to a degree which is beyond anything, (that I'm aware of), that has EVER been used in the ME universe. Biotic powers are often chaotic and require intense concentration simply to secure rudimentary control over a singular object. Furthermore, Reapers have never been witnessed using pure biotic abilities, (although their energy sources may have some basis with them). The odds of his powers being both Reaper and Biotic seem slim.

When it comes to historical accounts of Reaper "Control", implants are required to even secure indoctrination, (which is not, truly, control). Direct Control seems to attack both the mind and body of the implanted individual, and if the implant/biological relationship isn't right, the body is destroyed in the process, (Saren). Othertimes it would seem that the controlled being can be forced to self-destruct to prevent reverse engineering of the tech, (Collectors).

Rapid implantation appears to result in the deterioration of the biological physical form, (note the victims of the Shanxi artifact), and rapid indoctrination results in neural decay. Shepard shows no signs of being subject to either, although if TIM is using a "Direct Control" form of tech, it is logical to assume that both Shepard and Anderson are already implanted with Reaper tech to some degree.

Finally, it is unlikely that the tech TIM uses is more advanced than Reaper Tech. TIM personally oversees his more important projects, yet when pressured, he seems utterly confused about how his "upgrades" are supposed to work. In all likelihood, they are direct prototypes based on experimental reverse engineering. Their function may be theorized, but not known. That Cerberus could have both enhanced performance and removed detrimental side-effects on the victim seems unlikely.

If the Catalyst could take control is unknowable given what little evidence is available about its very nature.

If Indoctrination Implants can result in direct control, and Shepard is indoctrinated, then yes, Harbinger could take control of him. However, the fact that Saren needed "upgrades" beyond his indoctrination implants suggests otherwise.

The end deductive verdict: Plausibility of Control is Highly Unlikely given available evidence.

[byne]

MegumiAzusa wrote...


The kid, though real at first, is just an Avatar for the people Shep couldn't save.

If that kid is the Avatar, we need to recruit Azula...



I'm just sayin.

[Golferguy758]

Sero303 wrote...

I doubt this is the place for this, BUT I'm honestly too lazy to search for the proper thread.

In the cutscene of Sword Fleets battle above Earth, ( you know where you have gather just about every fleet from every race, but only get to see Human, Turians, Asari and MAYBE Quarians if you played it right )
...WHY...WHy was there so much emphases on a single human fighter pilot? I mean With all those different races battling the Reapers you would think there would be more than just ... some random human pilot? Am I alone in thinking this, (among all the others "issues" with the ending) this instance strikes me of laziness really on their part.

Agreed with you in a sense, but at the same time I can see why they wouldn't show every single fleet etc. It would take a lot of resources to render cinematics for them all and the possible permutations of having seperate combinations of fleets. Could be laziness, more likely just using those resources for something else in my opinion.

[Spartas Husky]

Saren thought Synthesis was an option... we all know he did so because Soverign realized it was the way to fool him into submission.

TIM thought control was the option... we all know it was because his lust for power and in an effort to protect humanity the reapers realize it was this way to appease to his nature.

so... if it is not A... and its not B... then its gota to be C...

[Rifneno]

Golferguy758 wrote...

Not at all. After Harbinger borderline stalked me in ME2 and kept saying how much he wanted my body and then promptly hits it and quits it in the ending of ME3 without saying so much as a word to me he deserves my ire.

Why do you think Shep walks so slow at the end. Walk of shame, man. Walk of shame.

{edit} I will derail this topic to one of amusement before I pass out, dammit.

"SHEPARD."
"Yeah yeah, I know. This hurts me, you'll destroy me if you must, blah blah blah."
*Harbinger opens an airlock*
"I WANT YOU INSIDE ME."



You have earned achievement: Restraining Order.

[HellishFiend]

pirate1802 wrote...

I was thinking, what is the implications of the dreams Shepard is having? Certainly she has seen much more terrible things than a kid dying. Why this one kid would haunt her so much? This isn't a psychological horror game where these kinds of tricks are used. Using a nightmare in a ME game is just out of place unless it serves some other purpose.

Also, on the third and final dream; There are two Shepards. One who is chasing the kid and the other whom the kid finds at the end; that Shepard looks at you (the other Shepard) then the kid and she burns. Could it signify Shepard finally giving in to indoctrination? In the earlier dreams the kid would bun alone, now Shepard is burning too.

All this has surely been discussing before, I'm just trying to figure things out by myself xD

It has been discussed before, and fortunately I was able to track down the post rather quickly. It's by our very own Auralius Carolus. =P 

http://social.biowar...3/1575#11531173 

The other Shepard is a doppleganger. 

Modifié par HellishFiend, 27 avril 2012 - 04:26 .

[Golferguy758]

Rifneno wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

Not at all. After Harbinger borderline stalked me in ME2 and kept saying how much he wanted my body and then promptly hits it and quits it in the ending of ME3 without saying so much as a word to me he deserves my ire.

Why do you think Shep walks so slow at the end. Walk of shame, man. Walk of shame.

{edit} I will derail this topic to one of amusement before I pass out, dammit.

"SHEPARD."
"Yeah yeah, I know. This hurts me, you'll destroy me if you must, blah blah blah."
*Harbinger opens an airlock*
"I WANT YOU INSIDE ME."



You have earned achievement: Restraining Order.

[Simon_Says]

Golferguy758 wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

Why do you think Shep walks so slow at the end. Walk of shame, man. Walk of shame.

I loled about that.

He doesn't even buy Shepard dinner or anything. <_<

I wouldn't say that.... He kind of bought me dinner. Or at least fed me. I definitely got a plate full of steaming BS shoved down my throat by starkid.

<_<

Sovereign was definitely more romantic in that regard. Remember that whole date on the Citadel? OH YEAH WE'RE GOIN' BACK THERE WHOO!

I'm still amazed a mod came out to put us back on track from Twilight and yet no one reigned that in.

Modifié par Simon_Says, 27 avril 2012 - 04:30 .

[byne]

Simon_Says wrote...

I'm still amazed a mod came out to put us back on track from Twilight and yet no one reigned that in.

I'm figuring its probably because at around that time multiple people had said they were gonna report Waldstr's posts, so a mod came in to see the post and saw the Twilight convo.

[Sero303]

Golferguy758 wrote...

Sero303 wrote...

I doubt this is the place for this, BUT I'm honestly too lazy to search for the proper thread.

In the cutscene of Sword Fleets battle above Earth, ( you know where you have gather just about every fleet from every race, but only get to see Human, Turians, Asari and MAYBE Quarians if you played it right )
...WHY...WHy was there so much emphases on a single human fighter pilot? I mean With all those different races battling the Reapers you would think there would be more than just ... some random human pilot? Am I alone in thinking this, (among all the others "issues" with the ending) this instance strikes me of laziness really on their part.

Agreed with you in a sense, but at the same time I can see why they wouldn't show every single fleet etc. It would take a lot of resources to render cinematics for them all and the possible permutations of having seperate combinations of fleets. Could be laziness, more likely just using those resources for something else in my opinion.

I would love to agree with you on the whole idea of them saving up the resources for something better, something grander, but after the space battle scene, what do you have?....the ending. Now can you honestly think they spent more than an afternoon, stoned into stupidity feasting of kit kat bars and cheetos on that ?
So where did those resources go?

[Auralius Carolus]

HellishFiend wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

I was thinking, what is the implications of the dreams Shepard is having? Certainly she has seen much more terrible things than a kid dying. Why this one kid would haunt her so much? This isn't a psychological horror game where these kinds of tricks are used. Using a nightmare in a ME game is just out of place unless it serves some other purpose.

Also, on the third and final dream; There are two Shepards. One who is chasing the kid and the other whom the kid finds at the end; that Shepard looks at you (the other Shepard) then the kid and she burns. Could it signify Shepard finally giving in to indoctrination? In the earlier dreams the kid would bun alone, now Shepard is burning too.

All this has surely been discussing before, I'm just trying to figure things out by myself xD

It has been discussed before, and fortunately I was able to track down the post rather quickly. It's by our very own Auralius Carolus. =P 

http://social.biowar...3/1575#11531173 

The other Shepard is a doppleganger. 

The chinchillas are experts in the parapsychological field, as well as fluent in certain forms of mythology and symbology.



The Reapers never stood a chance.

[MegumiAzusa]

Simon_Says wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

Why do you think Shep walks so slow at the end. Walk of shame, man. Walk of shame.

I loled about that.

He doesn't even buy Shepard dinner or anything. <_<

I wouldn't say that.... He kind of bought me dinner. Or at least fed me. I definitely got a plate full of steaming BS shoved down my throat by starkid.

<_<

Sovereign was definitely more romantic in that regard. Remember that whole date on the Citadel? OH YEAH WE'RE GOIN' BACK THERE WHOO!

I'm still amazed a mod came out to put us back on track from Twilight and yet no one reigned that in.

You know to me the Reapers, especially on Earth, walking in some cutscenes looked to me like they were humping the crap out of it? ^^

[HellishFiend]

Sero303 wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

Sero303 wrote...

I doubt this is the place for this, BUT I'm honestly too lazy to search for the proper thread.

In the cutscene of Sword Fleets battle above Earth, ( you know where you have gather just about every fleet from every race, but only get to see Human, Turians, Asari and MAYBE Quarians if you played it right )
...WHY...WHy was there so much emphases on a single human fighter pilot? I mean With all those different races battling the Reapers you would think there would be more than just ... some random human pilot? Am I alone in thinking this, (among all the others "issues" with the ending) this instance strikes me of laziness really on their part.

Agreed with you in a sense, but at the same time I can see why they wouldn't show every single fleet etc. It would take a lot of resources to render cinematics for them all and the possible permutations of having seperate combinations of fleets. Could be laziness, more likely just using those resources for something else in my opinion.

I would love to agree with you on the whole idea of them saving up the resources for something better, something grander, but after the space battle scene, what do you have?....the ending. Now can you honestly think they spent more than an afternoon, stoned into stupidity feasting of kit kat bars and cheetos on that ?
So where did those resources go?

I believe that they are being pumped into the EC. 

[HellishFiend]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

I was thinking, what is the implications of the dreams Shepard is having? Certainly she has seen much more terrible things than a kid dying. Why this one kid would haunt her so much? This isn't a psychological horror game where these kinds of tricks are used. Using a nightmare in a ME game is just out of place unless it serves some other purpose.

Also, on the third and final dream; There are two Shepards. One who is chasing the kid and the other whom the kid finds at the end; that Shepard looks at you (the other Shepard) then the kid and she burns. Could it signify Shepard finally giving in to indoctrination? In the earlier dreams the kid would bun alone, now Shepard is burning too.

All this has surely been discussing before, I'm just trying to figure things out by myself xD

It has been discussed before, and fortunately I was able to track down the post rather quickly. It's by our very own Auralius Carolus. =P 

http://social.biowar...3/1575#11531173 

The other Shepard is a doppleganger. 

The chinchillas are experts in the parapsychological field, as well as fluent in certain forms of mythology and symbology.



The Reapers never stood a chance.

Too bad Shepard has a Space Hamster and not a Space Chinchilla, or he would have seen through the indoctrination attempt from the start!

[Sero303]

HellishFiend wrote...

Sero303 wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

Sero303 wrote...

I doubt this is the place for this, BUT I'm honestly too lazy to search for the proper thread.

In the cutscene of Sword Fleets battle above Earth, ( you know where you have gather just about every fleet from every race, but only get to see Human, Turians, Asari and MAYBE Quarians if you played it right )
...WHY...WHy was there so much emphases on a single human fighter pilot? I mean With all those different races battling the Reapers you would think there would be more than just ... some random human pilot? Am I alone in thinking this, (among all the others "issues" with the ending) this instance strikes me of laziness really on their part.

Agreed with you in a sense, but at the same time I can see why they wouldn't show every single fleet etc. It would take a lot of resources to render cinematics for them all and the possible permutations of having seperate combinations of fleets. Could be laziness, more likely just using those resources for something else in my opinion.

I would love to agree with you on the whole idea of them saving up the resources for something better, something grander, but after the space battle scene, what do you have?....the ending. Now can you honestly think they spent more than an afternoon, stoned into stupidity feasting of kit kat bars and cheetos on that ?
So where did those resources go?

I believe that they are being pumped into the EC. 

I'm not a religious man,...but GOD I hope so

[Simon_Says]

And I -still- think the hamster is whispering indoctrination into Shepard's ear at night.

[Golferguy758]

HellishFiend wrote...

Sero303 wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

Sero303 wrote...

I doubt this is the place for this, BUT I'm honestly too lazy to search for the proper thread.

In the cutscene of Sword Fleets battle above Earth, ( you know where you have gather just about every fleet from every race, but only get to see Human, Turians, Asari and MAYBE Quarians if you played it right )
...WHY...WHy was there so much emphases on a single human fighter pilot? I mean With all those different races battling the Reapers you would think there would be more than just ... some random human pilot? Am I alone in thinking this, (among all the others "issues" with the ending) this instance strikes me of laziness really on their part.

Agreed with you in a sense, but at the same time I can see why they wouldn't show every single fleet etc. It would take a lot of resources to render cinematics for them all and the possible permutations of having seperate combinations of fleets. Could be laziness, more likely just using those resources for something else in my opinion.

I would love to agree with you on the whole idea of them saving up the resources for something better, something grander, but after the space battle scene, what do you have?....the ending. Now can you honestly think they spent more than an afternoon, stoned into stupidity feasting of kit kat bars and cheetos on that ?
So where did those resources go?

I believe that they are being pumped into the EC. 

Also games are not usually made in the same order as the game is played out. For instance that scene could have been done....5th. The Tuchanka arc could have been 8th. They moved resources from 5 to 8 to work more in an event that affected more things.

[Golferguy758]

Simon_Says wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

Why do you think Shep walks so slow at the end. Walk of shame, man. Walk of shame.

I loled about that.

He doesn't even buy Shepard dinner or anything. <_<

I wouldn't say that.... He kind of bought me dinner. Or at least fed me. I definitely got a plate full of steaming BS shoved down my throat by starkid.

<_<

Sovereign was definitely more romantic in that regard. Remember that whole date on the Citadel? OH YEAH WE'RE GOIN' BACK THERE WHOO!

I'm still amazed a mod came out to put us back on track from Twilight and yet no one reigned that in.

That reminds me that I still have to make a music video of Shepard singing "Sexy and I know it" in relation to dealing with Sovereign and Harbinger and how much the reapers want his body, I have it all planned out, but I haven't found the time to actually do it 

[Auralius Carolus]

Rifneno wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

Not at all. After Harbinger borderline stalked me in ME2 and kept saying how much he wanted my body and then promptly hits it and quits it in the ending of ME3 without saying so much as a word to me he deserves my ire.

Why do you think Shep walks so slow at the end. Walk of shame, man. Walk of shame.

{edit} I will derail this topic to one of amusement before I pass out, dammit.

"SHEPARD."
"Yeah yeah, I know. This hurts me, you'll destroy me if you must, blah blah blah."
*Harbinger opens an airlock*
"I WANT YOU INSIDE ME."



You have earned achievement: Restraining Order.

Someone's been watching the FanFic Femshep/Harbinger passion film on Youtube.

[Rifneno]

Golferguy758 wrote...

Agreed with you in a sense, but at the same time I can see why they wouldn't show every single fleet etc. It would take a lot of resources to render cinematics for them all and the possible permutations of having seperate combinations of fleets. Could be laziness, more likely just using those resources for something else in my opinion.

EVERY possible one?  Of course not.  But I think they should've put the effort in and at least made one for the "perfect" fleet.  Which a lot of the more dedicated fans went to the trouble of getting only be treated to a cutscene of minimal allies.  It's not easy to make peace between the geth and quarians, and what do you get?  There's a seperate, short cutscene of the Migrant Fleet passing Jupiter if you have the quarians.  Geth only get Joker saying "geth fleet reporting" despite us being told the geth's dreadnought fleet was second only to the turians.  If you can bring yourself to talk to Allers afterwards, you can even get the geth ships upgraded with thanix cannons.  THANIX CANNONS!  Of course also their "largest, and perhaps best equipped, infantry in the galaxy".  And all we get is Joker saying "geth fleet reporting".  'the ****?

[HellishFiend]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

You know to me the Reapers, especially on Earth, walking in some cutscenes looked to me like they were humping the crap out of it? ^^

My favorite is Harbinger at the end, where he lands and moves like he is flexing his muscles at you while trumpeting his reaper horn. 

[Golferguy758]

Rifneno wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

Agreed with you in a sense, but at the same time I can see why they wouldn't show every single fleet etc. It would take a lot of resources to render cinematics for them all and the possible permutations of having seperate combinations of fleets. Could be laziness, more likely just using those resources for something else in my opinion.

EVERY possible one?  Of course not.  But I think they should've put the effort in and at least made one for the "perfect" fleet.  Which a lot of the more dedicated fans went to the trouble of getting only be treated to a cutscene of minimal allies.  It's not easy to make peace between the geth and quarians, and what do you get?  There's a seperate, short cutscene of the Migrant Fleet passing Jupiter if you have the quarians.  Geth only get Joker saying "geth fleet reporting" despite us being told the geth's dreadnought fleet was second only to the turians.  If you can bring yourself to talk to Allers afterwards, you can even get the geth ships upgraded with thanix cannons.  THANIX CANNONS!  Of course also their "largest, and perhaps best equipped, infantry in the galaxy".  And all we get is Joker saying "geth fleet reporting".  'the ****?

I agree. Merely pointing a reason for why it may have occurred the way it did.

[byne]

Rifneno wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

Agreed with you in a sense, but at the same time I can see why they wouldn't show every single fleet etc. It would take a lot of resources to render cinematics for them all and the possible permutations of having seperate combinations of fleets. Could be laziness, more likely just using those resources for something else in my opinion.

EVERY possible one?  Of course not.  But I think they should've put the effort in and at least made one for the "perfect" fleet.  Which a lot of the more dedicated fans went to the trouble of getting only be treated to a cutscene of minimal allies.  It's not easy to make peace between the geth and quarians, and what do you get?  There's a seperate, short cutscene of the Migrant Fleet passing Jupiter if you have the quarians.  Geth only get Joker saying "geth fleet reporting" despite us being told the geth's dreadnought fleet was second only to the turians.  If you can bring yourself to talk to Allers afterwards, you can even get the geth ships upgraded with thanix cannons.  THANIX CANNONS!  Of course also their "largest, and perhaps best equipped, infantry in the galaxy".  And all we get is Joker saying "geth fleet reporting".  'the ****?

Well, if you killed off the quarians, it'll be the geth fleet leader who gets to be the only one who actually reports in in person, instead of the quarian one.

What I wanna know is why Joker didnt even MENTION the Batarian fleet.

Balak said I had his fleet's support.

[MegumiAzusa]

Rifneno wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

Agreed with you in a sense, but at the same time I can see why they wouldn't show every single fleet etc. It would take a lot of resources to render cinematics for them all and the possible permutations of having seperate combinations of fleets. Could be laziness, more likely just using those resources for something else in my opinion.

EVERY possible one?  Of course not.  But I think they should've put the effort in and at least made one for the "perfect" fleet.  Which a lot of the more dedicated fans went to the trouble of getting only be treated to a cutscene of minimal allies.  It's not easy to make peace between the geth and quarians, and what do you get?  There's a seperate, short cutscene of the Migrant Fleet passing Jupiter if you have the quarians.  Geth only get Joker saying "geth fleet reporting" despite us being told the geth's dreadnought fleet was second only to the turians.  If you can bring yourself to talk to Allers afterwards, you can even get the geth ships upgraded with thanix cannons.  THANIX CANNONS!  Of course also their "largest, and perhaps best equipped, infantry in the galaxy".  And all we get is Joker saying "geth fleet reporting".  'the ****?

I guess you get the video of the Geth fleet if you let the quarians die. The file is there, but it's mutually exclusive to the quarian video (same overall scene but geth instead of quarian ships).

[Rifneno]

HellishFiend wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

You know to me the Reapers, especially on Earth, walking in some cutscenes looked to me like they were humping the crap out of it? ^^

My favorite is Harbinger at the end, where he lands and moves like he is flexing his muscles at you while trumpeting his reaper horn. 

Trumpeting his reaper horn?  Is that a euphemism?  Jesus...