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#45176
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Rifneno wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

Agreed with you in a sense, but at the same time I can see why they wouldn't show every single fleet etc. It would take a lot of resources to render cinematics for them all and the possible permutations of having seperate combinations of fleets. Could be laziness, more likely just using those resources for something else in my opinion.


EVERY possible one?  Of course not.  But I think they should've put the effort in and at least made one for the "perfect" fleet.  Which a lot of the more dedicated fans went to the trouble of getting only be treated to a cutscene of minimal allies.  It's not easy to make peace between the geth and quarians, and what do you get?  There's a seperate, short cutscene of the Migrant Fleet passing Jupiter if you have the quarians.  Geth only get Joker saying "geth fleet reporting" despite us being told the geth's dreadnought fleet was second only to the turians.  If you can bring yourself to talk to Allers afterwards, you can even get the geth ships upgraded with thanix cannons.  THANIX CANNONS!  Of course also their "largest, and perhaps best equipped, infantry in the galaxy".  And all we get is Joker saying "geth fleet reporting".  'the ****?


Unfortunately in my "natural" playthrough of ME2, I lost Legion, and wound up losing the quarians because of it (I didnt think they'd actually be foolish enough to get themselves killed if I allowed the upload). That sucked, but I did however, enjoy seeing the short clip of the Geth ships included in your fleet, as well as the short convo with the Geth Prime at the London base. I was shocked to discover that both of those things are not present if you have both the Quarians and the Geth. What the heck?

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byne wrote...

What I wanna know is why Joker didnt even MENTION the Batarian fleet.

Balak said I had his fleet's support.


All three ships and a retrofitted John Deere tractor with a 19th Century muzzleloading shotgun strapped to the hood.

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Rifneno wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

You know to me the Reapers, especially on Earth, walking in some cutscenes looked to me like they were humping the crap out of it? ^^


My favorite is Harbinger at the end, where he lands and moves like he is flexing his muscles at you while trumpeting his reaper horn. 


Trumpeting his reaper horn?  Is that a euphemism?  Jesus...


It is now! :devil:

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byne wrote...

What I wanna know is why Joker didnt even MENTION the Batarian fleet.

Balak said I had his fleet's support.

Bah Batarians... just let the Reapers reap them and all is good.

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

byne wrote...

What I wanna know is why Joker didnt even MENTION the Batarian fleet.

Balak said I had his fleet's support.

Bah Batarians... just let the Reapers reap them and all is good.


HEY! Have you no sensitivity or understanding? For your information, I'll have you know that....


....they are actually quite good in the multiplayer game. :happy:

http://blog.bioware....e-news-network/ 

Modifié par HellishFiend, 27 avril 2012 - 04:46 .


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HellishFiend wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

byne wrote...

What I wanna know is why Joker didnt even MENTION the Batarian fleet.

Balak said I had his fleet's support.

Bah Batarians... just let the Reapers reap them and all is good.


HEY! Have you no sensitivity or understanding? For your information, I'll have you know that....


....they are actually quite good in the multiplayer game. :happy:


I'm still sad I never got a batarian squadmate.

They should make Balak recruitable.

I think the interaction between him and Shepard would be very interesting.

He'd be like an even bigger jerkass version of Javik.

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HellishFiend wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

byne wrote...

What I wanna know is why Joker didnt even MENTION the Batarian fleet.

Balak said I had his fleet's support.

Bah Batarians... just let the Reapers reap them and all is good.


HEY! Have you no sensitivity or understanding? For your information, I'll have you know that....


....they are actually quite good in the multiplayer game. :happy:

http://blog.bioware....e-news-network/ 

Not for Batarians who enslaved my Shep :o
Also though that Falcon Punch is quite fun it's just not the real deal :P

#45183
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byne wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

byne wrote...

What I wanna know is why Joker didnt even MENTION the Batarian fleet.

Balak said I had his fleet's support.

Bah Batarians... just let the Reapers reap them and all is good.


HEY! Have you no sensitivity or understanding? For your information, I'll have you know that....


....they are actually quite good in the multiplayer game. :happy:


I'm still sad I never got a batarian squadmate.

They should make Balak recruitable.

I think the interaction between him and Shepard would be very interesting.

He'd be like an even bigger jerkass version of Javik.


Yeah, there is a distinct lack of a "vindictive, bitter A-hole that is hilarious despite his attempts to be mean" throughout the trilogy, and a Batarian could possibly have fit that role perfectly. 

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

byne wrote...

What I wanna know is why Joker didnt even MENTION the Batarian fleet.

Balak said I had his fleet's support.

Bah Batarians... just let the Reapers reap them and all is good.


HEY! Have you no sensitivity or understanding? For your information, I'll have you know that....


....they are actually quite good in the multiplayer game. :happy:

http://blog.bioware....e-news-network/ 

Not for Batarians who enslaved my Shep :o
Also though that Falcon Punch is quite fun it's just not the real deal :P


No Batarians ever enslaved your Shep. Colonist Shep didnt get captured by the batarian slavers.

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HellishFiend wrote...

Yeah, there is a distinct lack of a "vindictive, bitter A-hole that is hilarious despite his attempts to be mean" throughout the trilogy, and a Batarian could possibly have fit that role perfectly.


Commander Shepard has become a legend by ending the reaper threat. Now you can continue to build that legend through further gameplay and downloadable content.

Modifié par Simon_Says, 27 avril 2012 - 04:52 .


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byne wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

byne wrote...

What I wanna know is why Joker didnt even MENTION the Batarian fleet.

Balak said I had his fleet's support.

Bah Batarians... just let the Reapers reap them and all is good.


HEY! Have you no sensitivity or understanding? For your information, I'll have you know that....


....they are actually quite good in the multiplayer game. :happy:

http://blog.bioware....e-news-network/ 

Not for Batarians who enslaved my Shep :o
Also though that Falcon Punch is quite fun it's just not the real deal :P


No Batarians ever enslaved your Shep. Colonist Shep didnt get captured by the batarian slavers.

They destroyed the family nontheless. Reason enough. (wasn't sure if Shep got enslaved but I just remembered in ME1 where you had to calm down that girl that you can say you had to go through that too, it's 7AM here and I'm still awake >.>)

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HellishFiend wrote...

Yeah, there is a distinct lack of a "vindictive, bitter A-hole that is hilarious despite his attempts to be mean" throughout the trilogy, and a Batarian could possibly have fit that role perfectly. 


The Paragon options have you attempt to discover the "softer" side of batarians, while the Renegade ones have you play pranks on him.

"No seriously, take this old detached gun barrel and ram it right up his... no, it's considered a compliment in their culture!"
"ARGH!!!!!!!!! What the *%&@!!!!??? Shepard, I know you're involved in this somehow!"

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- There was a geth prime to talk to in London if the quarians died? What the hell, bioware! :(

- Batarians in MP are fun. I can't bring myself to play one myself, but they're good squaddies. Once I was doing a run against Cerberus at Firebase White. There was this nemesis on the lower levels trying to run away but there were a bunch of us in her way so she starts running into people and walls like a derp. This batarian comes out of nowhere and does that omnipunch, just smashes her face between his fist and the wall. She just crumples, I don't know if it was really gone but I couldn't see her head anymore. There was, however, a massive blood splatter on the wall he introduced her to. Maybe it makes me a terrible person, but I laughed well into the next round coming up with incredibly inappropriate lines I'd want to put on a motivational of the punch.

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Rifneno wrote...

- There was a geth prime to talk to in London if the quarians died? What the hell, bioware! :(


Huh. Just looked up that convo on youtube.

"We will not relinquish sentience. There will be no more compromise with the Old Machines."

I LITERALLY CANNOT MAKE BOTH OF THOSE THINGS HAPPEN! 

Poor Geth Prime...

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byne wrote...

Huh. Just looked up that convo on youtube.

"We will not relinquish sentience. There will be no more compromise with the Old Machines."

I LITERALLY CANNOT MAKE BOTH OF THOSE THINGS HAPPEN! 

Poor Geth Prime...


Oh wow, that's such an awesome line too. :(

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Sorry, got sidetracked. My whole point was that if TIM can control Shepard, Harbinger certainly can. TIM is indoctrinated, and as such I doubt his technology isn't available to Harbinger. Since Harbinger didn't try to directly control Shepard during the end, doesn't it seem logical TIMs control over Shepard is actually Harbinger indoctrination in disguise?

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I let the Quarians die and there was a short clip on Geth dreadnoughts assembling, a Geth pilot in a fighter saying "We are at your command" or something like that. And the Geth prime in London. He says some good lines like "Today we secure our future, and once we are finished, we will help you secure yours".

Modifié par pirate1802, 27 avril 2012 - 05:35 .


#45193
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soooo any news?

#45194
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Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

soooo any news?


It's 2 AM Eastern. Most of the IT lab techs are asleep in their beakers.

I'm just sitting around polishing my Glock 20 in the event those darn raccoons raid the supply shed like they did last night.

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stupid time shift :(

#45196
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Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

stupid time shift :(


There is some very interesting discussion in the preceding pages... No reason to let it go to waste. Go back and check it out. :happy:

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I already have :(

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Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

I already have :(


Where, exactly, do you live E_S? Are you British or something?

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Auralius Carolus wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

I already have :(


Where, exactly, do you live E_S? Are you British or something?


Germany.. and it's 9:00 AM here... but in a few months I'll live in the UK :D

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Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

I already have :(


Any comments? I wouldnt mind continuing the discussion if you have anything to add.