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[gunslinger_ruiz]

HellishFiend wrote...

Back on topic, I saw in a youtube comment earlier today that someone pointed out that the Illusive Man's theme music doesnt play during the final confrontation with him. Does anyone think that could be a point for IT? I'm not completely sure, but if I had to choose, I'd say yes. I cant recall ever seeing TIM at any other time when his theme music was NOT playing (though please do correct me if I'm wrong).

Music has been essential with a lot of Mass Effect moments throughout the trilogy, while it's not always as noticable in 3 once you pay attention to it it's hard to think it doesn't effect your gameplay/mindset. It's very emotive stuff.
If I remember right the music sounded somewhat of desperation when indoctrinated-Illusive Man stepped out and began his rant. I'd have to play through again to be sure (I know I can just youtube it but it doesn't feel the same and I need an excuse to game don't I?)

If anyone is still wondering about the 3 choices music. That "angelic hum" Does play differently depending on which way you walk. Low and melancholy when walking up the Control ramp. Similary when walking forward towards Synthesis. And what I define as "uplifting" or "inspriing" when walking towards the the Destroy tube. Did this twice to confirm it on my own. Odd thing though, the tone is "low" when walking towards the Synthesis bea, but goes to "inspiring" when walking Away from it. Might have just been bugged on that paticular run, will go through again to double triple quad-check

[HellishFiend]

MaximizedAction wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Back on topic, I saw in a youtube comment earlier today that someone pointed out that the Illusive Man's theme music doesnt play during the final confrontation with him. Does anyone think that could be a point for IT? I'm not completely sure, but if I had to choose, I'd say yes. I cant recall ever seeing TIM at any other time when his theme music was NOT playing (though please do correct me if I'm wrong).

Nice catch. The lore is that you use the Leitmotiv or some variation (minor-ize it to fit the mood of the scene) of it no matter when the character appears. And it didn't play then.

Did it play on Thessia?

I'm not familiar with Leitmotiv but that does sound like the gist behind what I'm trying to say. As far as I'm aware, his music plays at all times whenever youre conversing with him throughout all of me2 and me3.

 

[HellishFiend]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Back on topic, I saw in a youtube comment earlier today that someone pointed out that the Illusive Man's theme music doesnt play during the final confrontation with him. Does anyone think that could be a point for IT? I'm not completely sure, but if I had to choose, I'd say yes. I cant recall ever seeing TIM at any other time when his theme music was NOT playing (though please do correct me if I'm wrong).

Music has been essential with a lot of Mass Effect moments throughout the trilogy, while it's not always as noticable in 3 once you pay attention to it it's hard to think it doesn't effect your gameplay/mindset. It's very emotive stuff.
If I remember right the music sounded somewhat of desperation when indoctrinated-Illusive Man stepped out and began his rant. I'd have to play through again to be sure (I know I can just youtube it but it doesn't feel the same and I need an excuse to game don't I?)

If anyone is still wondering about the 3 choices music. That "angelic hum" Does play differently depending on which way you walk. Low and melancholy when walking up the Control ramp. Similary when walking forward towards Synthesis. And what I define as "uplifting" or "inspriing" when walking towards the the Destroy tube. Did this twice to confirm it on my own. Odd thing though, the tone is "low" when walking towards the Synthesis bea, but goes to "inspiring" when walking Away from it. Might have just been bugged on that paticular run, will go through again to double triple quad-check

I really want to believe that's true, but I dont. I've experienced the same changes in the music even if I'm just idling next to the starbrat (cycling in and out of the angelic chorus). The variations in the music dont seem to be related to your physical location in the area, unless I'm missing something. 

[Earthborn_Shepard]

Also.. I think I might like the planet scene a little better if there was "Vigil" playing in the background. Imagine.. your crew getting out of the Normandy, looking at the view in awe.. and Vigil playing.. that might have made the scene bearable.

[HellishFiend]

paxxton wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Back on topic, I saw in a youtube comment earlier today that someone pointed out that the Illusive Man's theme music doesnt play during the final confrontation with him. Does anyone think that could be a point for IT? I'm not completely sure, but if I had to choose, I'd say yes. I cant recall ever seeing TIM at any other time when his theme music was NOT playing (though please do correct me if I'm wrong).

Probable but Shepard's never met him in person before. It was always through some comm device.

From a storytelling/drama standpoint, I dont see how that would affect their decision to play his theme during your final confrontation. 

[gunslinger_ruiz]

HellishFiend wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Back on topic, I saw in a youtube comment earlier today that someone pointed out that the Illusive Man's theme music doesnt play during the final confrontation with him. Does anyone think that could be a point for IT? I'm not completely sure, but if I had to choose, I'd say yes. I cant recall ever seeing TIM at any other time when his theme music was NOT playing (though please do correct me if I'm wrong).

Music has been essential with a lot of Mass Effect moments throughout the trilogy, while it's not always as noticable in 3 once you pay attention to it it's hard to think it doesn't effect your gameplay/mindset. It's very emotive stuff.
If I remember right the music sounded somewhat of desperation when indoctrinated-Illusive Man stepped out and began his rant. I'd have to play through again to be sure (I know I can just youtube it but it doesn't feel the same and I need an excuse to game don't I?)

If anyone is still wondering about the 3 choices music. That "angelic hum" Does play differently depending on which way you walk. Low and melancholy when walking up the Control ramp. Similary when walking forward towards Synthesis. And what I define as "uplifting" or "inspriing" when walking towards the the Destroy tube. Did this twice to confirm it on my own. Odd thing though, the tone is "low" when walking towards the Synthesis bea, but goes to "inspiring" when walking Away from it. Might have just been bugged on that paticular run, will go through again to double triple quad-check

I really want to believe that's true, but I dont. I've experienced the same changes in the music even if I'm just idling next to the starbrat (cycling in and out of the angelic chorus). The variations in the music dont seem to be related to your physical location in the area, unless I'm missing something. 

Before I did anything I put my Shepard at the "crossroads" for all three choices and hit esc (the pause menu) to see if the music just played on a timer. After about 3-5 minutes it remained the same monotone-like "angelic hum" even after I resumed game, only changing when I moved Shepard towards a choice.

Darn it all, gonna have to try it again aren't i

Modifié par gunslinger_ruiz, 27 avril 2012 - 10:58 .

[Arian Dynas]

HellishFiend wrote...

paxxton wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Back on topic, I saw in a youtube comment earlier today that someone pointed out that the Illusive Man's theme music doesnt play during the final confrontation with him. Does anyone think that could be a point for IT? I'm not completely sure, but if I had to choose, I'd say yes. I cant recall ever seeing TIM at any other time when his theme music was NOT playing (though please do correct me if I'm wrong).

Probable but Shepard's never met him in person before. It was always through some comm device.

From a storytelling/drama standpoint, I dont see how that would affect their decision to play his theme during your final confrontation. 

Agreed. We have never seen the Illusive Man, physically OR communication device wise without his accaompanying Leitmotif. Except the Citadel scene.

[paxxton]

HellishFiend wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Back on topic, I saw in a youtube comment earlier today that someone pointed out that the Illusive Man's theme music doesnt play during the final confrontation with him. Does anyone think that could be a point for IT? I'm not completely sure, but if I had to choose, I'd say yes. I cant recall ever seeing TIM at any other time when his theme music was NOT playing (though please do correct me if I'm wrong).

Music has been essential with a lot of Mass Effect moments throughout the trilogy, while it's not always as noticable in 3 once you pay attention to it it's hard to think it doesn't effect your gameplay/mindset. It's very emotive stuff.
If I remember right the music sounded somewhat of desperation when indoctrinated-Illusive Man stepped out and began his rant. I'd have to play through again to be sure (I know I can just youtube it but it doesn't feel the same and I need an excuse to game don't I?)

If anyone is still wondering about the 3 choices music. That "angelic hum" Does play differently depending on which way you walk. Low and melancholy when walking up the Control ramp. Similary when walking forward towards Synthesis. And what I define as "uplifting" or "inspriing" when walking towards the the Destroy tube. Did this twice to confirm it on my own. Odd thing though, the tone is "low" when walking towards the Synthesis bea, but goes to "inspiring" when walking Away from it. Might have just been bugged on that paticular run, will go through again to double triple quad-check

I really want to believe that's true, but I dont. I've experienced the same changes in the music even if I'm just idling next to the starbrat (cycling in and out of the angelic chorus). The variations in the music dont seem to be related to your physical location in the area, unless I'm missing something. 

There is no angelic chorus when Shepard has to make the final choice. Just drums.
The chorus ends when the starchild finishes his speech.

[HellishFiend]

paxxton wrote...

There is no angelic chorus when Shepard has to make the final choice. Just drums.
The chorus ends when the starchild finishes his speech.

No, there is definitely an angelic chorus (though maybe I'm just misusing the term "angelic chorus") that seems to intermittently play during the scene. At first, I also thought it was related to your physical location in the area (like, if you walk down the destroy path), but it also cycles in and out even if you just stand still at the starting area. 

In any case, its definitely not "Just drums". 

[MaximizedAction]

More about music in the ending.

Being a supposed ending to a trilogy, the ending to my surprise had none of the familiar cues in it. For example, the usual Mass Effect/Shepard/hero theme, that plays when you finished ME1, ME2, even as a variation in "The Future of the Krogan" (the choir part starts out with a similar chord progression).

But the ending only had Mansell's piano theme, that we associate with Earth and - wait for it - starbrat. When listening to "An End Once and For All" I can't hear any other familiar melodies. Nothing to remind me, that this is an ending to the trilogy, only that this is an ending for ME3, since it ends with the same tune that it begins with the moment you leave Earth.

To me, another point against the ending fitting to the rest of the story. And this one is backed up by the soundtrack.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 27 avril 2012 - 11:05 .

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Headin' to bed now, but I'll get on that "angelic hum" again tomorrow after work.

*salute* Stay frosty gents, ladies.

[HellishFiend]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Headin' to bed now, but I'll get on that "angelic hum" again tomorrow after work.

*salute* Stay frosty gents, ladies.

Later. =)

I'll get to investigating it more, too. I also told Dante I'd check into the sound mixing for a couple of the sounds at the beginning... Still have to do that. 

[Golferguy758]

So, whenever Arian Dynas shows up with his monster posts after being gone for a while this is pretty much how I see him showing up:

Modifié par Golferguy758, 27 avril 2012 - 11:08 .

[lex0r11]

Hellooooo, fellow nutjobs and wackos!
Anything i should know?

[Domanese]

Any news on what happens during the endings with the music off? Any tidbits or such?

[HellishFiend]

MaximizedAction wrote...

More about music in the ending.

Being a supposed ending to a trilogy, the ending to my surprise had none of the familiar cues in it. For example, the usual Mass Effect/Shepard/hero theme, that plays when you finished ME1, ME2, even as a variation in "The Future of the Krogan" (the choir part starts out with a similar chord progression).

But the ending only had Mansell's piano theme, that we associate with Earth and - wait for it - starbrat. When listening to "An End Once and For All" I can't hear any other familiar melodies. Nothing to remind me, that this is an ending to the trilogy, only that this is an ending for ME3, since it ends with the same tune that it begins with the moment you leave Earth.

To me, another point against the ending fitting to the rest of the story. And this one is backed up by the soundtrack.

Agreed on all counts. Its a recurring theme throughout ME3 to reuse musical themes or melodies where appropriate. And, as you say, during the end, the only thing that is reused is the music we hear during the intro, of which the "earthbrat" is a central element. 

[paxxton]

HellishFiend wrote...

paxxton wrote...

There is no angelic chorus when Shepard has to make the final choice. Just drums.
The chorus ends when the starchild finishes his speech.

No, there is definitely an angelic chorus (though maybe I'm just misusing the term "angelic chorus") that seems to intermittently play during the scene. At first, I also thought it was related to your physical location in the area (like, if you walk down the destroy path), but it also cycles in and out even if you just stand still at the starting area. 

In any case, its definitely not "Just drums". 

You're right. There is a chorus but it's part of the same track as the drums. It fades in and out. It's not interactive.

Modifié par paxxton, 27 avril 2012 - 11:15 .

[HellishFiend]

lex0r11 wrote...

Hellooooo, fellow nutjobs and wackos!
Anything i should know?

We've mostly just been chatting, except towards the end of the previous page I pointed out something interesting I got from a youtube comment. Check it out. 

[HellishFiend]

paxxton wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

paxxton wrote...

There is no angelic chorus when Shepard has to make the final choice. Just drums.
The chorus ends when the starchild finishes his speech.

No, there is definitely an angelic chorus (though maybe I'm just misusing the term "angelic chorus") that seems to intermittently play during the scene. At first, I also thought it was related to your physical location in the area (like, if you walk down the destroy path), but it also cycles in and out even if you just stand still at the starting area. 

In any case, its definitely not "Just drums". 

You're right. There is a "chorus" but it's part of the same track as the drums. It fades in and out. It's not interactive.

Yeah, thats what I was suggesting in my post. People have said the chorus occurs when you walk towards Destroy, but I found that to not be the case. 

[HellishFiend]

Domanese wrote...

Any news on what happens during the endings with the music off? Any tidbits or such?

Nothing new, yet, though I'm not sure if anyone has tried it recently. 

[Arian Dynas]

HellishFiend wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Hellooooo, fellow nutjobs and wackos!
Anything i should know?

We've mostly just been chatting, except towards the end of the previous page I pointed out something interesting I got from a youtube comment. Check it out. 

And a honking big post. Click my sig if you feel like reading it. (the Reaper one, not the script one, I'm working on a re-write for that)

[Yana Montana]

I know I am late for the party but I've only finished my first playthough yesterday late evening and I must say... the game is epic and the fact that the ending is so controverisal makes it even greater!

I knew nothing about ID during my playthrough, just heard the name couple of times, but kept my curiosity at bay until the end, but what I saw was clearly looking more like some sort of LSD trip to me more than reality. The whole slow-motion, bokeh effect on Shepard's way to the beaming light and not steady focus (looks like the camera keeps zooming in and out all the time if you try to concentrate on anything further than Mako or beam), Shep lacking her armour and weird sound on the background - it screams halucination.

Then you get to the point of The Illusive Man vs. Anderson/Shepard confrontation. Now add fish-eye lense style still shots of Shepard's face - a technique often used in media to express drug-influenced dreams/haluciantions - and periodic blood vessels/strings appearing as a frame of your screen every time when The Illusive Man tries to suppress Shep's will which is again doesn't look like reality to me.

When I managed to Renegate interrupt shoot The Illusive Man to death (been choosing mostly Red responces to fit my own perpective) and watch my hero collapsing on the floor and ascending into the light I thought this weird trip is over. Silly, silly me.

When presented a choice I went for Synthesis, saying out loud: "For you, EDI, and for you, Legion!" and vanished into green void.
I thought it was one of Bioware's themes through all three games: oragnics and synthetics' interdependence and influence on one another, what is technology to present-day humankind and where evolution will lead us if we merge the two entities into one.
Besides, after working so hard on bringing Geth and Quarians together, helping out EDI with her identity and cheering her feelings for Joker, I couldn't just blow all this to hell with Destroying option.

The very end still seemed to be off, despite all my deliberations of the "perfect" choice I've just made, trying to persuade my own mind that the philosophical subtext is what matters here.

Gods, I was owned by Bioware. If Indocrination theory is true, I've been manipulated and tricked along with my Shepard!
I saw the reason only after replaying the end and reading the theory and it does makes so much sense. If this is the case, the game is absolute genious.

Now I feel ashamed for not seeing it clearly enough and still giving into the tempation of shaping an utopian future for every sentient being in the galaxy.

[Golferguy758]

Also, Arian, I'm glad that I'm one of those few lawyers you do actually like! yay.

[ToaOrka]

Dear God I hope the IT theory is true. It's the only thing that makes any relative sense in that horrible ending, although doesn't the new DLC pretty much disprove it?

[HellishFiend]

Yana Montana wrote...

I know I am late for the party but I've only finished my first playthough yesterday late evening and I must say... the game is epic and the fact that the ending is so controverisal makes it even greater!

 

Welcome to the party. =)

Yana Montana wrote... 
Then you get to the point of The Illusive Man vs. Anderson/Shepard confrontation. Now add fish-eye lense style still shots of Shepard's face - a technique often used in media to express drug-influenced dreams/haluciantions - and periodic blood vessels/strings appearing as a frame of your screen every time when The Illusive Man tries to suppress Shep's will which is again doesn't look like reality to me.

  

Nice catch! I'm not sure if anyone has pointed out the implications of the fish eye lens effect yet. 

Yana Montana wrote...  
Gods, I was owned by Bioware. If Indocrination theory is true, I've been manipulated and tricked along with my Shepard!
I saw the reason only after replaying the end and reading the theory and it does makes so much sense. If this is the case, the game is absolute genious.

Now I feel ashamed for not seeing it clearly enough and still giving into the tempation of shaping an utopian future for every sentient being in the galaxy.

Agreed on all counts. I rationalized picking the Control option initially, and when I got up to speed on IT and then replayed the end sequence, I prompty ran to the novelty store and purchased a Dunce cap.