[quote]estebanus wrote...
I couldn't agree with your post more.
Javik really didn't have any time in his life to question anything, so I understand the way he is.
plus, I love how he PWNS Wreav in the Sur'kesh mission!
[/quote]Glad to see that there is someone who also likes him
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Wrex was alive in my all playthroughs (he's my preferred character in
the game... I couldn't just kill him) so I don't know how was the
dialogue Javik-Wreav (makes want to do another big playthrough, but for
now I'll wait till the DLC EC comes out), but I'll take your word for it
!! Kudos to you Commanda
!
estebanus wrote...
The dialogue between Javik and Wreav goes kinda like this:
Javik: Pride is not a strength. It is a weakness. I learned that in my cycle.
Wreav: Oh yeah? Well how many of your kind are still alive today, huh?
Javik: enough to kill you.
I just kept on thinking "BUUURRRRNEEED" During the whole mission when I heard Wreav's voice.
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LMAO
. Wreav is a jerk. With him as the leader of the Krogan was sabotaging the cure of the genophage unfortunately a necessary evil...Thumbs up for BioWare here...
[quote]Rifneno wrote...
He's a hateful, self-righteous hypocrite with a superior complex that they could write entire psychiatric journals about. Honestly, if he's an accurate representation of the Protheans then they
deserved what the Reapers did to them. Let's consider:
- They believed evolution was the only force in the universe that truly mattered.
- They were not against artifical evolution as shown by their genetic engineering of the asari.
- They felt that "those who had nothing to offer were to be eliminated" by the natural order of things.
- They enslaved the weaker races and used the logic of "they're free to challenge us" to justify it.
The way I see it, the Reapers beat them at their own game using their own rules. The Protheans had nothing to offer the Reaper civilization, that's for certain. The Reapers' own artifical evolution is justified by Prothean standard. So the Reapers challenged them, and enslaved them as the Collectors. Those who had nothing to offer were eliminated. I so wish I had an option for Shepard to ram this down Javik's throat. Along with the barrel of a falcon but let's not get into that. Yet.
Anyway, I don't see Javik as having learned a damned thing by the end. Near the end of the game I found in the AI Core arguing with EDI. The four-eyed troll actually went to the AI core just to tell EDI all about how he thinks she's inherently terrible. That's the only time in two games I've heard anger in EDI's voice. Naturally, he also says to throw Legion out the airlock. Just like another
piece of garbage does. Shepard can even appeal to Javik's usually pragmatic point of view: the geth are willing to fight the Reapers, he should at least work with them on that. And this is why I call that vermin a hypocrite: he tosses out his usual pragmatic approach and sticks to the "throw the machine that's proven loyal out the airlock because the Collector who hasn't proven anything says so".
He calls Liara by her name by the end? Yeah. That's not much of a step forward, especially when you consider why he's doing it. Have you ever gone to the Collector's room after Thessia? Right after it? He's getting into it with Liara and being his usual antagonistic self about Liara having just found out the Protheans were playing God with her ancestors as she watched the Reapers brutally lay waste to her homeland. And there we have Liara, a usually peaceful and sympathetic lady, on verge of squashing that bug. Gee, I'm sensing a pattern here. Anyway, my point is, he's calling Liara by her name because of that conversation. He's basically humoring her so she doesn't lose it and stays in fighting condition for the Reapers. Don't believe me? Ask him yourself in that conversation. He's telling her what she wants to her. Yes, he's going to "write a book" with her. Probably not humoring her on that. I'm sure it won't be at all what she expects though. Remember the Prothean language guide he gave Traynor? "For subservient races"? Charming cultural clue indeed.
If there was a prothean worth saving, it was not this maggot.
Edit: Separated paragraphs for easier reading. Was longer than I thought.
[/quote]It's always a pleasure to read you. I like your style and the way you think even if I sometimes disagree with you...
Anyways, I find your agumentation very coherent and will not argue with you on this point. You're absolutely right, the Prothean way to rule the Galaxy was nothing but disgusting and made them deserve somehow what the Reapers did to them. They've finally found something that is stronger than them and follows the same logic... Irony of fate..
That's always the problem with totalitarian systems, they brainwash everyone, first of all their own people and don't let them question any further... "arrogance/confidence is born of ignorance" ...
What Javik's saying/thinking about the other races made me at first want to shoot him between his "four eyes". But I tried to understand why he's such a "****" a**hole...
He's born without the possibility to compare by himself and he was a soldier, not a scientist. He knew no other "normality" than that what he was told, teached and genuinely believed it. To us it seems scandalous because we're grown in another time with other rules and have learned eventually that there's always another way... His thought about the AI were conditioned by the fact that there was no peaceful solution to the conflict with the synthetic race of their time (don't remember what was the name) and the war with the Reapers (which are also part organics, if I'm not wrong) They didn't have a Shepard
Furthermore a short journey like ME3 is way not enough to get over a brainwash. To me, there were signs of a positive evolution. Only time will teach us, if he eventually stopped to be an arrogant fascist.. If not I'll personally shop his head off
If you're judging and condemning the Prothean system, I'm with you. Not if you're only considering one Prothean.
Modifié par Uncle Jo, 27 avril 2012 - 02:28 .
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