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[IronSabbath88]

Vahilor wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

Vahilor, no need for the hostility. I was referring to the fanbase in general which is what happens anyway since we get grouped in with all the idiots by everyone else. Chill out.

Secondly, I disagree with you, the Fallout 3 extension was incredibly convulted and only occured because people didn't like what they got. You went into a place with TONS of radiation. There's no way you should have survived, and really since Fallout isn't a continuing story arc of ONE character, why is it so important that the Lone Wanderer survive? Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed Broken Steel, but I didn't find it necessary. I appreciate the perks, weapons and enemies that were added but the continuing story was ridiculous.

Sorry, no offence meant, but you sounded like you were fed up with all of us.

None taken.

[ExtendedCut]

pirate1802 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

StElmo wrote...

Has anyone examined star child (with photoshop) to see if he really smiles during the control and synthesis endings?

Curious because that could be some compelling evidence right there.

what would be so compelling about that? maybe he just likes shepard choosing the paragon option.

not that im saying he is smiling, which he isnt. but its no evidence either way.

I still don't see how embracing your worst enemy's philosophy and morals is paragon!

That's full-on renegade by definition!

Because apparantly the control option ends the war, saves everyone while sacrificing yourself, while the renegade option kills the reapers while sacrificing a bunch of your ally synthetics. Taking the endings at face value ofcourse..

Yeah.  But we talked about this yesterday, and the it seems that next-most-logical step in Control would be Shepard becoming the new Starkid, since he would somehow have to become "immortal" and use the Catalyst to continue controlling the Reapers (rather than just die right after his choice).  If that was the case, then if could be argued that Shepard doesn't really fix anything, just delays it, since HE would be the one controlling the Reapers to destroy organics in the next cycle (again, that assuming that Starkid's logic is correct/truthful, which you probably have to assume it is truthful if you picked Control).

[balance5050]

paxxton wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Witcher 2 is awesome!

I'm glad I waited so long to play it. I REALLY needed a "pick me up" after ME3's non-ending. It's a beautiful game, CD project just needs to do their own space opera and my life would be complete.

You're joking. I couldn't play this game for more than 20 minutes. And then it landed deep in a trash can.

I... feel sorry for you.

[llbountyhunter]

balance5050 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

I know how you guys hate twitter....but.

(oh there also part of a single conversation)

https://twitter.com/...586883470884864
https://twitter.com/...615830279589890

Not sure I understand  the question, but it seems that she is saying that control isn't even possible?

thats what I got out of it. 

[Uncle Jo]

estebanus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

oooooh, look at this tweet...

https://twitter.com/...619323212070912

Inb4 the sh*t storm.

While I support IT, I do not think that proves anything in either way. Merizan is hardly a palpable source of information.

I agree. Even with the face-value ending, destroy is the only option where Shep's body could "survive". Yet  the "you'd want the destroy option" is quite intriguing...

If it's not a sarcastic answer.

It's possible of course, but I don't think so.

It really wasn't. Apologies if it sounded so...

[estebanus]

Rifneno wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Nah, I don't think so. The reapers have been in existence for at LEAST 37 million years, and I don't see how a plant could have lived that long.

Actually, at least a billion. Yeah, I know, right? But that's what the Leviathan of Dis was dated at by the salarians before the batarians stole it. And in ME3 we finally got confirmation that the Leviathan of Dis was in fact a dead Reaper.

Yeah, I may have overreacted there, but I really could use some good news today, since I just found out that my brother was hit by a car today and that he's in the hospital right now.

Wow. Condolences. Hope everything's okay.

Fortunately, yes. He broke his arm and left leg, but at least he's alive!

You know, I'm really starting to hate people who talk on their phones and pay no attention while driving!
That bastard just kept on driving while there was red light!

[estebanus]

balance5050 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Witcher 2 is awesome!

I'm glad I waited so long to play it. I REALLY needed a "pick me up" after ME3's non-ending. It's a beautiful game, CD project just needs to do their own space opera and my life would be complete.

You're joking. I couldn't play this game for more than 20 minutes. And then it landed deep in a trash can.

I... feel sorry for you.

+ OVER 9000!!!

[estebanus]

llbountyhunter wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Like, I was just playing Witcher 2 and I was talking with this elf, I had arrows pointing at me in all directions. I chose a reply that basically insulted him and I got blasted with arrows - I got a game over but was impressed that the game would do that when there are so many other games that coddle you.

Iorveth: single-handedly justifying every racist human in the Witcher universe.  Bravo, terrorist knife-ear. 

Yeah that's him, the name escaped me, just like the kingslayer!

Ive heard alot about witcher 2.... I dunno, should I pick it up? I just bought skyrim, so Im not sure. 

Yes. You should. the game's landscape is beautiful, and its atmosphere is really nice as well!

[ExtendedCut]

estebanus wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Nah, I don't think so. The reapers have been in existence for at LEAST 37 million years, and I don't see how a plant could have lived that long.

Actually, at least a billion. Yeah, I know, right? But that's what the Leviathan of Dis was dated at by the salarians before the batarians stole it. And in ME3 we finally got confirmation that the Leviathan of Dis was in fact a dead Reaper.

Yeah, I may have overreacted there, but I really could use some good news today, since I just found out that my brother was hit by a car today and that he's in the hospital right now.

Wow. Condolences. Hope everything's okay.

Fortunately, yes. He broke his arm and left leg, but at least he's alive!

You know, I'm really starting to hate people who talk on their phones and pay no attention while driving!
That bastard just kept on driving while there was red light!

Dang.  Hope you and your bro are doing alright.  Hope he heals up quick.

[paxxton]

balance5050 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Witcher 2 is awesome!

I'm glad I waited so long to play it. I REALLY needed a "pick me up" after ME3's non-ending. It's a beautiful game, CD project just needs to do their own space opera and my life would be complete.

You're joking. I couldn't play this game for more than 20 minutes. And then it landed deep in a trash can.

I... feel sorry for you.

Please don't.

[paxxton]

Uncle Jo wrote...

estebanus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

oooooh, look at this tweet...

https://twitter.com/...619323212070912

Inb4 the sh*t storm.

While I support IT, I do not think that proves anything in either way. Merizan is hardly a palpable source of information.

I agree. Even with the face-value ending, destroy is the only option where Shep's body could "survive". Yet  the "you'd want the destroy option" is quite intriguing...

If it's not a sarcastic answer.

It's possible of course, but I don't think so.

It really wasn't. Apologies if it sounded so...

I meant Jessica's answer.

[DirtyPhoenix]

estebanus wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

StElmo wrote...

Has anyone examined star child (with photoshop) to see if he really smiles during the control and synthesis endings?

Curious because that could be some compelling evidence right there.

what would be so compelling about that? maybe he just likes shepard choosing the paragon option.

not that im saying he is smiling, which he isnt. but its no evidence either way.

I still don't see how embracing your worst enemy's philosophy and morals is paragon!

That's full-on renegade by definition!

Because apparantly the control option ends the war, saves everyone while sacrificing yourself, while the renegade option kills the reapers while sacrificing a bunch of your ally synthetics. Taking the endings at face value ofcourse..

I'm reposting what I said to Waldstr18:



The illusive man wants to control the reapers. Your arch-nemesis in the 3rd game.
Those are his morals, that you refute during the whole game.

By
choosing control, you embrace his philosophy and his morals, plus you
betray your own motivations since the first game, which is to destroy
the reapers.

using your enemies' own tactics= end justifies the means= renegade

refuting your enemies' tactics= end does NOT justify the means= paragon

See where I'm going?

If you look at it that way, yes. But if you see which ending causes the minimum collateral damage? Minimizing unnecessary deaths/nonfunctionality is a paragon thing to do, whereas a renegade would be ok with those casualties (end justifies the means).

[estebanus]

ExtendedCut wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Nah, I don't think so. The reapers have been in existence for at LEAST 37 million years, and I don't see how a plant could have lived that long.

Actually, at least a billion. Yeah, I know, right? But that's what the Leviathan of Dis was dated at by the salarians before the batarians stole it. And in ME3 we finally got confirmation that the Leviathan of Dis was in fact a dead Reaper.

Yeah, I may have overreacted there, but I really could use some good news today, since I just found out that my brother was hit by a car today and that he's in the hospital right now.

Wow. Condolences. Hope everything's okay.

Fortunately, yes. He broke his arm and left leg, but at least he's alive!

You know, I'm really starting to hate people who talk on their phones and pay no attention while driving!
That bastard just kept on driving while there was red light!

Dang.  Hope you and your bro are doing alright.  Hope he heals up quick.

So do I! Wer'e supposed to visit our grandparents in The USA this summer, so I hope he'll be up and walking at that point!

Plus, my sister will be there, too, so I'm really looking forward to going there!

[DJBare]

Baldsake wrote...
But it IS that easy, you just walk up to your favorite choice and -poof-, it happens.. Don't act like there were any significantly hard choices in ME3.. There's no way the Reapers can win, even though BW promised that there would be.

Yes there is a way for the reapers to win, synthesis, choose it and your indoctrination process is complete, no Shepard, no one to stop the reapers.

My opinion of course.

[lex0r11]

Big G13 wrote...

@Lex0r11 - Did you ever get an answer to your question 12 hours ago. Just got in and I don't have the energy to go look right now.

You mean this one?

social.bioware.com/forums/forum/1/topic/355/index/9727423/1798#11704588

Then it's this one.

social.bioware.com/forums/forum/1/topic/355/index/9727423/1798#11704653

[balance5050]

estebanus wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Like, I was just playing Witcher 2 and I was talking with this elf, I had arrows pointing at me in all directions. I chose a reply that basically insulted him and I got blasted with arrows - I got a game over but was impressed that the game would do that when there are so many other games that coddle you.

Iorveth: single-handedly justifying every racist human in the Witcher universe.  Bravo, terrorist knife-ear. 

Yeah that's him, the name escaped me, just like the kingslayer!

Ive heard alot about witcher 2.... I dunno, should I pick it up? I just bought skyrim, so Im not sure. 

Yes. You should. the game's landscape is beautiful, and its atmosphere is really nice as well!

My one gripe would be the learning curve, The enhanced edition has a tutorial mission though.

I like to play with a controller as well, you need to be kinda fast when in some of the harder fights.

[Tirian Thorn]

estebanus wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Witcher 2 is awesome!

I'm glad I waited so long to play it. I REALLY needed a "pick me up" after ME3's non-ending. It's a beautiful game, CD project just needs to do their own space opera and my life would be complete.

You're joking. I couldn't play this game for more than 20 minutes. And then it landed deep in a trash can.

I... feel sorry for you.

+ OVER 9000!!!

[n00bsauce2010]

balance5050 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

I know how you guys hate twitter....but.

(oh there also part of a single conversation)

https://twitter.com/...586883470884864
https://twitter.com/...615830279589890

Not sure I understand  the question, but it seems that she is saying that control isn't even possible?

Jessica Merizan knows as much about the development process of this game as we know about North Korea and the Cuban Regime... which isn't ****.

Why people seem to take anything she says as credible is beyond me...it is simply doublespeak that can't be interpretated as anything other than doublespeak.

[llbountyhunter]

llbountyhunter wrote...

Baldsake wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

Baldsake wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

I think the people who actually like control and synthesis are tangentially keeping us from our indoctrination DLC.

Actually, I'd like to play the DLC as indoctrinated Shepard when picking synthesis or control.

I'm all for destroy ending and I'm happy if I'm able to continue that way. But I think the other two choices shouldn't be omitted.

Yeah, what's the point of having 3 choices for an ending, with 2 of them being useless.. I mean who's going to pick control or synthesis if destroy is the only choice that continues in the DLC.

well having three options where only one works is hardly something new- its been done before. (maybe just a few cinematic for those options.)

besides defeating the reapers shouldnt be THAT easy- "oh its ok, you will win no matter which option you choose!!!!!"

But it IS that easy, you just walk up to your favorite choice and -poof-, it happens.. Don't act like there were any significantly hard choices in ME3.. There's no way the Reapers can win, even though BW promised that there would be.

war assets still come into play. and besides if it was SOOOO easy ,then why did so many people get fooled? 

[estebanus]

pirate1802 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

StElmo wrote...

Has anyone examined star child (with photoshop) to see if he really smiles during the control and synthesis endings?

Curious because that could be some compelling evidence right there.

what would be so compelling about that? maybe he just likes shepard choosing the paragon option.

not that im saying he is smiling, which he isnt. but its no evidence either way.

I still don't see how embracing your worst enemy's philosophy and morals is paragon!

That's full-on renegade by definition!

Because apparantly the control option ends the war, saves everyone while sacrificing yourself, while the renegade option kills the reapers while sacrificing a bunch of your ally synthetics. Taking the endings at face value ofcourse..

I'm reposting what I said to Waldstr18:



The illusive man wants to control the reapers. Your arch-nemesis in the 3rd game.
Those are his morals, that you refute during the whole game.

By
choosing control, you embrace his philosophy and his morals, plus you
betray your own motivations since the first game, which is to destroy
the reapers.

using your enemies' own tactics= end justifies the means= renegade

refuting your enemies' tactics= end does NOT justify the means= paragon

See where I'm going?

If you look at it that way, yes. But if you see which ending causes the minimum collateral damage? Minimizing unnecessary deaths/nonfunctionality is a paragon thing to do, whereas a renegade would be ok with those casualties (end justifies the means).

See? end justifies the means= renegade

Hell, paragon Shepard was pretty sceptic about using Maelons data, even though it ended up saving Bakara's life!

[llbountyhunter]

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

I know how you guys hate twitter....but.

(oh there also part of a single conversation)

https://twitter.com/...586883470884864
https://twitter.com/...615830279589890

Not sure I understand  the question, but it seems that she is saying that control isn't even possible?

Jessica Merizan knows as much about the development process of this game as we know about North Korea and the Cuban Regime... which isn't ****.

Why people seem to take anything she says as credible is beyond me...it is simply doublespeak that can't be interpretated as anything other than doublespeak.

she tweeted about a week ago that she got to see some of the stuff they were working on though.... 

[DirtyPhoenix]

ExtendedCut wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

StElmo wrote...

Has anyone examined star child (with photoshop) to see if he really smiles during the control and synthesis endings?

Curious because that could be some compelling evidence right there.

what would be so compelling about that? maybe he just likes shepard choosing the paragon option.

not that im saying he is smiling, which he isnt. but its no evidence either way.

I still don't see how embracing your worst enemy's philosophy and morals is paragon!

That's full-on renegade by definition!

Because apparantly the control option ends the war, saves everyone while sacrificing yourself, while the renegade option kills the reapers while sacrificing a bunch of your ally synthetics. Taking the endings at face value ofcourse..

Yeah.  But we talked about this yesterday, and the it seems that next-most-logical step in Control would be Shepard becoming the new Starkid, since he would somehow have to become "immortal" and use the Catalyst to continue controlling the Reapers (rather than just die right after his choice).  If that was the case, then if could be argued that Shepard doesn't really fix anything, just delays it, since HE would be the one controlling the Reapers to destroy organics in the next cycle (again, that assuming that Starkid's logic is correct/truthful, which you probably have to assume it is truthful if you picked Control).

Sorry didn't see your reply. Yes thats possible, and thats the reason I didn't pick control!

[estebanus]

balance5050 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Like, I was just playing Witcher 2 and I was talking with this elf, I had arrows pointing at me in all directions. I chose a reply that basically insulted him and I got blasted with arrows - I got a game over but was impressed that the game would do that when there are so many other games that coddle you.

Iorveth: single-handedly justifying every racist human in the Witcher universe.  Bravo, terrorist knife-ear. 

Yeah that's him, the name escaped me, just like the kingslayer!

Ive heard alot about witcher 2.... I dunno, should I pick it up? I just bought skyrim, so Im not sure. 

Yes. You should. the game's landscape is beautiful, and its atmosphere is really nice as well!

My one gripe would be the learning curve, The enhanced edition has a tutorial mission though.

I like to play with a controller as well, you need to be kinda fast when in some of the harder fights.

I've got the enhanced version, so no worries!

I also like games with a difficult learning curve! Reminds me of Gothic, the 1st RPG I ever played!

Then again, The witcher games (not the books, mind you) were inspired by Gothic!

[DirtyPhoenix]

estebanus wrote...

See? end justifies the means= renegade

Hell, paragon Shepard was pretty sceptic about using Maelons data, even though it ended up saving Bakara's life!

I mean a renegade Shep would be OK with geth and EDI dying in destroy ending because the end justifies the means.

[balance5050]

estebanus wrote...

I've got the enhanced version, so no worries!

I also like games with a difficult learning curve! Reminds me of Gothic, the 1st RPG I ever played!

Then again, The witcher games (not the books, mind you) were inspired by Gothic!

Thx for that bit of trivia, didn't know that but it totally makes sense.