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[spotlessvoid]

HellishFiend wrote...

Regarding Merizan's tweet, I hate to say it but I am going to have to stick with my earlier statement that I am not going to put any weight behind what she says. I wont go back on that just because now she happens to say something that can be construed as support for IT.

Besides, what she says can be taken in either context. She could simply be pointing out something obvious about the face-value context, which is that if you want Shepard to survive, you need to pick Destroy, because he gets vaporized in the other two.

Anyone here familiar with my posts knows I am an IT supporter, but I am also objective and look at everything from both sides, and I really dont see what the fuss over her tweet is about....

Not much to go on either way, especially with the consensus seeming to be that she is tweeting from a fan perspective. Still after Gamble vomitted his synthesis vs destroy nonsense all over us, it's nice to go back to the good ol' ambiguous does she even know what she's saying splerging that is Jessicas twitter feed

[lex0r11]

Do it, winter is really coming. And it's almost May.

[Tirian Thorn]

Vahilor wrote...

byne wrote...

Vahilor wrote...

If you wanna watch a real good "fantasy" series, watch game of Thrones.. worth it =)

Is Game of Thrones really that good?

All I ever hear is people telling me I need to see it.

I read the first two books and was pretty suprised how close the series is and it's really good, Good actors, nice setting =)

I have seen every available episode of Game of Thrones.  The series is excellent.  Peter Dinklage is the ****!!! 

I have read the five books of "A Song of Ice and Fire" and plan to read the short stories set in the same universe.  The books are so detailed and run about 1,000 pages per book.  But totally worth it.  The 4th book is a bit slower paced, but the 5th book flies!  Hopefully book 6 will be out soon.  (Soon for GRRM being about a year at best.)  

But I highly recommend you rent, torrent, get HBO, watch at a friend's house or break into a neighbors house to watch it. 
Game of Thrones has fights, intrique, great character development a fantastic cast, sex, war and much more. 

[byne]

I'm bored, so I was watching Futurama on Netflix.

Just finished the episode with Fry's dog.

every freaking time man. Every. Freaking. Time.

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byne wrote...

I'm bored, so I was watching Futurama on Netflix.

Just finished the episode with Fry's dog.

every freaking time man. Every. Freaking. Time.

Manly tears.

[Sammuthegreat]

byne wrote...

Vahilor wrote...

If you wanna watch a real good "fantasy" series, watch game of Thrones.. worth it =)

Is Game of Thrones really that good?

All I ever hear is people telling me I need to see it.

Honestly? Not really, in my opinion. I've read the books, and came away more frustrated than impressed. The series isn't over yet, but the writer makes it very difficult to sympathise or even care about the characters - most of the characters you'd naturally feel sympathetic towards are ruthlessly killed off while the sh*tbags prosper, bar a few exceptions. You stop getting emotionally invested in characters because you can't shake the notion they'll die before long, even off-screen.

Also the world is grim, yes, but very often I feel it's taken too far. This sort of goes along with my previous point, but it's actually quite difficult to care about books where things go from bad to worse, rarely with any respite or upturn in events. Often it seems like the writer tries to shock his readers purely for the sake of being shocking, or going against stereotype, which I absolutely hate. One of the principal reasons I dislike the ME3 endings at face value, in fact.

However the well-written characters are really well-written, and as a whole the story is epic and sweeping on a pretty grand scale. The show is perhaps the better medium (as you can tell, I'm not a huge fan of the books) although it may get quite confusing without the world knowledge you pick up from the books; also quite annoying is a lot of the stuff alluded to in the books that is forced down the viewer's throat in the show, presumably because the directors/broadcasters thought the average viewer would be too stupid to pick it up otherwise.

On the whole the show is very watchable, though. I honestly don't think it's anything groundbreaking, likewise the books, but it's certainly worth your time.

Modifié par Sammuthegreat, 27 avril 2012 - 07:44 .

[Tirian Thorn]

byne wrote...

I'm bored, so I was watching Futurama on Netflix.

Just finished the episode with Fry's dog.

every freaking time man. Every. Freaking. Time.

I love Futurama! 


Wow he can do two things at once. Ooo three things!

When it was on Fox I ignored it, but I have every episode now, plus the movies. 

[waldstr18]

Sammuthegreat wrote...

byne wrote...

Vahilor wrote...

If you wanna watch a real good "fantasy" series, watch game of Thrones.. worth it =)

Is Game of Thrones really that good?

All I ever hear is people telling me I need to see it.

Honestly? Not really, in my opinion. I've read the books, and came away more frustrated than impressed. The series isn't over yet, but the writer makes it very difficult to sympathise or even care about the characters - most of the characters you'd naturally feel sympathetic towards are ruthlessly killed off while the sh*tbags prosper, bar a few exceptions. You stop getting emotionally invested in characters because you can't shake the notion they'll die before long, even off-screen.

Also the world is grim, yes, but very often I feel it's taken too far. This sort of goes along with my previous point, but it's actually quite difficult to care about books where things go from bad to worse, rarely with any respite or upturn in events. Often it seems like the writer tries to shock his readers purely for the sake of being shocking, or going against stereotype, which I absolutely hate. One of the principal reasons I dislike the ME3 endings at face value, in fact.

However the well-written characters are really well-written, and as a whole the story is epic and sweeping on a pretty grand scale. The show is perhaps the better medium (as you can tell, I'm not a huge fan of the books) although it may get quite confusing without the world knowledge you pick up from the books; also quite annoying is a lot of the stuff alluded to in the books that is forced down the viewer's throat in the show, presumably because the directors/broadcasters thought the average viewer would be too stupid to pick it up otherwise.

On the whole the show is very watchable, though. I honestly don't think it's anything groundbreaking, likewise the books, but it's certainly worth your time.

i second that.

[ExtendedCut]

TheConstantOne wrote...

ExtendedCut wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

If control was actually possible, then it is the best choice. Shepard doesn't become the next starchild, he replaces him.

What's the difference, exactly?

spotlessvoid wrote...

That would be your first and only MUSH!

Oh I don't know. You'd have had to headbutt them into submission in the first place just to get the leashes on...

Maybe I misunderstood, but it seemed like what was being implied was that Shepard would take on starchilds agenda and morals "continuing the cycle" (paraphrasing)

Replacing would mean Shepard would retain his own ideas and change course from starchild

But what would be the point for Shepard to control the Reapers if he DIDN'T go down the same path as the Starkid? 

Would he eventually realize that the Reapers are neccessary to "cleanse" the universe, like the Starkid claims? 

Or would he just use them as his own personal butlers and/or chauffers until the end of time?

I'd think that Shep supercedes Reaper Bieber but doesn't endorse his methods.  That would make what happens next extremely open to interpretation though.  I mean Shepard could go on to become guardian or dictator of the galaxy.  Up to him/her really

I see your point.  I think, though, that there would be multiple ways of looking at it if you chose Control. 

On one side, choosing Control could mean that you believe the Starkid's BS story about using the Reapers to keep order in the universe, since Control and/or Synthesis are obviously the choices that Starkid wants you to choose - so in a sense, it could be assumed that you agree with him if you choose Control.  If that's case (assuming he's not lying about everything), Shepard would essentially become the Starkid and basically carry on the Starkid's "mission".

On the other hand, if you just choose Control and still think that the Starkid is full of crap, then you could do whatever you want - which is understandable if you are Renegade and want use the Reapers to rule the universe.  If you were Paragon, however, then what would do with them?  We don't know what the Reapers can do other than kill things - not something a real Paragon would utilize much, other than if forced into a war.

[Tirian Thorn]

waldstr18 wrote...

Sammuthegreat wrote...

byne wrote...

Vahilor wrote...

If you wanna watch a real good "fantasy" series, watch game of Thrones.. worth it =)

Is Game of Thrones really that good?

All I ever hear is people telling me I need to see it.

Honestly? Not really, in my opinion. I've read the books, and came away more frustrated than impressed. The series isn't over yet, but the writer makes it very difficult to sympathise or even care about the characters - most of the characters you'd naturally feel sympathetic towards are ruthlessly killed off while the sh*tbags prosper, bar a few exceptions. You stop getting emotionally invested in characters because you can't shake the notion they'll die before long, even off-screen.

Also the world is grim, yes, but very often I feel it's taken too far. This sort of goes along with my previous point, but it's actually quite difficult to care about books where things go from bad to worse, rarely with any respite or upturn in events. Often it seems like the writer tries to shock his readers purely for the sake of being shocking, or going against stereotype, which I absolutely hate. One of the principal reasons I dislike the ME3 endings at face value, in fact.

However the well-written characters are really well-written, and as a whole the story is epic and sweeping on a pretty grand scale. The show is perhaps the better medium (as you can tell, I'm not a huge fan of the books) although it may get quite confusing without the world knowledge you pick up from the books; also quite annoying is a lot of the stuff alluded to in the books that is forced down the viewer's throat in the show, presumably because the directors/broadcasters thought the average viewer would be too stupid to pick it up otherwise.

On the whole the show is very watchable, though. I honestly don't think it's anything groundbreaking, likewise the books, but it's certainly worth your time.

i second that.

Both of you are nuts!  I'll kill you! 

But seriously, I can see how you would feel that way.  Most of the characters are not heart warming a fuzzy.  They're real and I think one can definately see why they do the things they do.  Most of them have some redeeming qualities (with one MAJOR exception)  and I enjoy watching/reading about their little games. 

It's not for everyone though. 

[HellishFiend]

spotlessvoid wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Regarding Merizan's tweet, I hate to say it but I am going to have to stick with my earlier statement that I am not going to put any weight behind what she says. I wont go back on that just because now she happens to say something that can be construed as support for IT.

Besides, what she says can be taken in either context. She could simply be pointing out something obvious about the face-value context, which is that if you want Shepard to survive, you need to pick Destroy, because he gets vaporized in the other two.

Anyone here familiar with my posts knows I am an IT supporter, but I am also objective and look at everything from both sides, and I really dont see what the fuss over her tweet is about....

Not much to go on either way, especially with the consensus seeming to be that she is tweeting from a fan perspective. Still after Gamble vomitted his synthesis vs destroy nonsense all over us, it's nice to go back to the good ol' ambiguous does she even know what she's saying splerging that is Jessicas twitter feed

I see your point. It just frustrates me whenever either side decides to take a tidbit in only one context and refuse to look at it from the other context. Especially with something that doesnt even lean in either direction, like her tweet. 

Like, for example, the fact that Shepard limps during the end sequence. If one of our fellow IT supporters pointed at that and said, HEY, HE'S LIMPING! THAT MEANS THE IT IS TRUE!", it would frustrate me, because that could be just as valid and explainable in either context. 

[balance5050]

waldstr18 wrote...

i second that.

Hey Wald. is there anything you actually like?

[balance5050]

Tirian Thorn wrote...

Both of you are nuts!  I'll kill you! 

But seriously, I can see how you would feel that way.  Most of the characters are not heart warming a fuzzy.  They're real and I think one can definately see why they do the things they do.  Most of them have some redeeming qualities (with one MAJOR exception)  and I enjoy watching/reading about their little games. 

It's not for everyone though. 

Indeed, it's a world where truly good selfess people are few and far between. It is a grim place but that's what makes the good charcters stand out so much.

The characters you hate you LOVE to hate, the characters you like you LOVE. Plus the special effects are really tasteful so far.

[Sammuthegreat]

Tirian Thorn wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

Sammuthegreat wrote...

byne wrote...

Vahilor wrote...

If you wanna watch a real good "fantasy" series, watch game of Thrones.. worth it =)

Is Game of Thrones really that good?

All I ever hear is people telling me I need to see it.

Honestly? Not really, in my opinion. I've read the books, and came away more frustrated than impressed. The series isn't over yet, but the writer makes it very difficult to sympathise or even care about the characters - most of the characters you'd naturally feel sympathetic towards are ruthlessly killed off while the sh*tbags prosper, bar a few exceptions. You stop getting emotionally invested in characters because you can't shake the notion they'll die before long, even off-screen.

Also the world is grim, yes, but very often I feel it's taken too far. This sort of goes along with my previous point, but it's actually quite difficult to care about books where things go from bad to worse, rarely with any respite or upturn in events. Often it seems like the writer tries to shock his readers purely for the sake of being shocking, or going against stereotype, which I absolutely hate. One of the principal reasons I dislike the ME3 endings at face value, in fact.

However the well-written characters are really well-written, and as a whole the story is epic and sweeping on a pretty grand scale. The show is perhaps the better medium (as you can tell, I'm not a huge fan of the books) although it may get quite confusing without the world knowledge you pick up from the books; also quite annoying is a lot of the stuff alluded to in the books that is forced down the viewer's throat in the show, presumably because the directors/broadcasters thought the average viewer would be too stupid to pick it up otherwise.

On the whole the show is very watchable, though. I honestly don't think it's anything groundbreaking, likewise the books, but it's certainly worth your time.

i second that.

Both of you are nuts!  I'll kill you! 

But seriously, I can see how you would feel that way.  Most of the characters are not heart warming a fuzzy.  They're real and I think one can definately see why they do the things they do.  Most of them have some redeeming qualities (with one MAJOR exception)  and I enjoy watching/reading about their little games. 

It's not for everyone though. 

Hmm, I'm surprised to see you say "one can definitely see why they do the things they do." That's one of my major gripes with the series - I feel that there's an absolute surplus of characters who do things (e.g. betrayals, plots etc.) that make absolutely no practical sense other than to provide a shocking plot twist. Obviously I won't say any spoilers but there were a lot of occasions when I just thought it'd have been a million times easier and more sensible for everyone to just get along! 

There's also the fact that the overriding plot has been largely ignored (but for one main character) for 90% of the series so far, in favour of a whole load of political squabbling. I just think the whole going-against-the-grain thing has been taken far too far by GRR Martin, and he's lost sight of what makes fantasy great - the fantasy element.

I much, much, much prefer the Wheel of Time, even if Brandon Sanderson's writing style pales in comparison to the late, great Robert Jordan.

[waldstr18]

balance5050 wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

i second that.

Hey Wald. is there anything you actually like?

be more specific. are you talking about tv series only or do you mean if i do like anything at all.

[Uncle Jo]

hey did yu guys ever watched this ? it has nothing to do with IT but still fun...

www.youtube.com/watch

Edit : It was the time where our choices still had some importance (if IT not true)

Modifié par Uncle Jo, 27 avril 2012 - 08:00 .

[balance5050]

Sammuthegreat wrote...


Hmm, I'm surprised to see you say "one can definitely see why they do the things they do." That's one of my major gripes with the series - I feel that there's an absolute surplus of characters who do things (e.g. betrayals, plots etc.) that make absolutely no practical sense other than to provide a shocking plot twist. Obviously I won't say any spoilers but there were a lot of occasions when I just thought it'd have been a million times easier and more sensible for everyone to just get along! 

There's also the fact that the overriding plot has been largely ignored (but for one main character) for 90% of the series so far, in favour of a whole load of political squabbling. I just think the whole going-against-the-grain thing has been taken far too far by GRR Martin, and he's lost sight of what makes fantasy great - the fantasy element.

I much, much, much prefer the Wheel of Time, even if Brandon Sanderson's writing style pales in comparison to the late, great Robert Jordan.

I'm pretty sure "everyone getting along" would just kill the story. What if everyone got along in Star Wars? There would be no movie.

[Vahilor]

balance5050 wrote...

Tirian Thorn wrote...

Both of you are nuts!  I'll kill you! 

But seriously, I can see how you would feel that way.  Most of the characters are not heart warming a fuzzy.  They're real and I think one can definately see why they do the things they do.  Most of them have some redeeming qualities (with one MAJOR exception)  and I enjoy watching/reading about their little games. 

It's not for everyone though. 

Indeed, it's a world where truly good selfess people are few and far between. It is a grim place but that's what makes the good charcters stand out so much.

The characters you hate you LOVE to hate, the characters you like you LOVE. Plus the special effects are really tasteful so far.

I really like the setting, but I also understand people who
do not like it cause of the grimness ^^

[HellishFiend]

balance5050 wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

i second that.

Hey Wald. is there anything you actually like?

A short while back wald and I got into a discussion about an old Origin game called Bioforge. We both liked it, and rightfully so. It was a great game that didnt get enough attention. I dont think it is a coincidence that he also had a problem with that game's ending, because like ME3, it also had a very unsatisfying ending. I think that lends him a little credibility, at least when it comes to accepting that at least he genuinely has a problem with ME3's ending and isnt purely a troll. Unlike ME3 though, Bioforge never had a chance to fix up it's horrible ending, as its sequel was canceled. 

[balance5050]

waldstr18 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

i second that.

Hey Wald. is there anything you actually like?

be more specific. are you talking about tv series only or do you mean if i do like anything at all.

Nevermind, I just remembered that I don't care.

[Sammuthegreat]

waldstr18 wrote...
i second that.

You do realise I said I disliked the ME3 endings at face value, right? :innocent:

[Voodzik]

balance5050 wrote...

byne wrote...

Vahilor wrote...
If you wanna watch a real good "fantasy" series, watch game of Thrones.. worth it =)

Is Game of Thrones really that good?
All I ever hear is people telling me I need to see it.

It really is, good characters, good story, good writing. Also, it's really "edgy", it's a decidedly adult fantasy. 

Do not watch game of thrones. I'm a huge fan of the books. Read the books. The TV show is AWFUL. Not as much by itself, although they do that HBO thing where everyone gets pointless speeches, but it's a horrible adaptation. Especially season 2. That's when I gave up.

In season one, I thought they had at least heard OF the characters......

[spotlessvoid]

Please ignore it. We know it's MO

[waldstr18]

@hellishfiend

thanks, i guess. the actual reason it all started with was; "hmm... the game is over? but.. hmm ... i guess i did something wrong. what does google say about that?"

shortly followed by retake mass effect and then indoctrination theory. then i found the video with only the red choice given, and then i had to actually get a forum account, register mass effect 3 to post here, and 4 weeks later .. everyone hates me. well, at least i dont have cancer.

[balance5050]

Voodzik wrote...

Do not watch game of thrones. I'm a huge fan of the books. Read the books. The TV show is AWFUL. Not as much by itself, although they do that HBO thing where everyone gets pointless speeches, but it's a horrible adaptation. Especially season 2. That's when I gave up.

In season one, I thought they had at least heard OF the characters......

Simply, books don't always work on screen. But if you haven't read the books, the show is pretty good.