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Sammuthegreat wrote...

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i second that.


You do realise I said I disliked the ME3 endings at face value, right? :innocent:


oh, my bad. but i dont think it matters, cause you all know my opinion about that. i was of course refering to the stuff you worte about game of thrones.

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byne wrote...

I'm bored, so I was watching Futurama on Netflix.

Just finished the episode with Fry's dog.

:crying: every freaking time man. Every. Freaking. Time.


Yeah that one got to me. Didn't cry though. :P

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Hmm, I'm surprised to see you say "one can definitely see why they do the things they do." That's one of my major gripes with the series - I feel that there's an absolute surplus of characters who do things (e.g. betrayals, plots etc.) that make absolutely no practical sense other than to provide a shocking plot twist. Obviously I won't say any spoilers but there were a lot of occasions when I just thought it'd have been a million times easier and more sensible for everyone to just get along! ^_^

There's also the fact that the overriding plot has been largely ignored (but for one main character) for 90% of the series so far, in favour of a whole load of political squabbling. I just think the whole going-against-the-grain thing has been taken far too far by GRR Martin, and he's lost sight of what makes fantasy great - the fantasy element.

I much, much, much prefer the Wheel of Time, even if Brandon Sanderson's writing style pales in comparison to the late, great Robert Jordan.


I'm pretty sure "everyone getting along" would just kill the story. What if everyone got along in Star Wars? There would be no movie.


Of course, it was a tongue-in-cheek exaggeration. What I mean is, there's plenty of situations where alliances are broken or people are betrayed, where I honestly don't think it makes a lot of sense. It's one thing to keep the reader on their toes and drive a powerful story, but it's another thing entirely to make pretty much every single inter-character relationship breakable at a moment's notice, just for the sake of keeping the reader on their toes.

It's just how I see it, anyway. I know plenty of people who loved the series, but I just... don't. I'll still read the rest when they come out, don't get me wrong, they're still decent books. I just don't think they're great books, by any stretch of the imagination.

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waldstr18 wrote...

Sammuthegreat wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...
i second that.


You do realise I said I disliked the ME3 endings at face value, right? :innocent:


oh, my bad. but i dont think it matters, cause you all know my opinion about that. i was of course refering to the stuff you worte about game of thrones.


Of course, I merely jest :) Very glad to hear about the cancer thing though.

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Sammuthegreat wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Sammuthegreat wrote...


Hmm, I'm surprised to see you say "one can definitely see why they do the things they do." That's one of my major gripes with the series - I feel that there's an absolute surplus of characters who do things (e.g. betrayals, plots etc.) that make absolutely no practical sense other than to provide a shocking plot twist. Obviously I won't say any spoilers but there were a lot of occasions when I just thought it'd have been a million times easier and more sensible for everyone to just get along! ^_^

There's also the fact that the overriding plot has been largely ignored (but for one main character) for 90% of the series so far, in favour of a whole load of political squabbling. I just think the whole going-against-the-grain thing has been taken far too far by GRR Martin, and he's lost sight of what makes fantasy great - the fantasy element.

I much, much, much prefer the Wheel of Time, even if Brandon Sanderson's writing style pales in comparison to the late, great Robert Jordan.


I'm pretty sure "everyone getting along" would just kill the story. What if everyone got along in Star Wars? There would be no movie.


Of course, it was a tongue-in-cheek exaggeration. What I mean is, there's plenty of situations where alliances are broken or people are betrayed, where I honestly don't think it makes a lot of sense. It's one thing to keep the reader on their toes and drive a powerful story, but it's another thing entirely to make pretty much every single inter-character relationship breakable at a moment's notice, just for the sake of keeping the reader on their toes.

It's just how I see it, anyway. I know plenty of people who loved the series, but I just... don't. I'll still read the rest when they come out, don't get me wrong, they're still decent books. I just don't think they're great books, by any stretch of the imagination.


That's just cause lies, betrayal, and secrets are a major theme of the story, everyone has their own agenda.

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@sammuthegreat

thanks.

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waldstr18 wrote...

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thanks, i guess. the actual reason it all started with was; "hmm... the game is over? but.. hmm ... i guess i did something wrong. what does google say about that?"

shortly followed by retake mass effect and then indoctrination theory. then i found the video with only the red choice given, and then i had to actually get a forum account, register mass effect 3 to post here, and 4 weeks later .. everyone hates me. well, at least i dont have cancer.


Glad to hear that your health is ok.  And yeah, I think that "the game is over? did I do something wrong?" reaction is pretty typical. The ending that we have smacks of an optional set of bad endings, not as the only available endings in an otherwise epic saga. 

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OP, the ending was not a hallucination.

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suprarj wrote...

OP, the ending was not a hallucination.


Pack it up folks, random nobody says there's nothing to the ending, we better believe him.

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i believe him. who would have thought?!

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balance5050 wrote...

Sammuthegreat wrote...Of course, it was a tongue-in-cheek exaggeration. What I mean is, there's plenty of situations where alliances are broken or people are betrayed, where I honestly don't think it makes a lot of sense. It's one thing to keep the reader on their toes and drive a powerful story, but it's another thing entirely to make pretty much every single inter-character relationship breakable at a moment's notice, just for the sake of keeping the reader on their toes.

It's just how I see it, anyway. I know plenty of people who loved the series, but I just... don't. I'll still read the rest when they come out, don't get me wrong, they're still decent books. I just don't think they're great books, by any stretch of the imagination.


That's just cause lies, betrayal, and secrets are a major theme of the story, everyone has their own agenda.


Agreed, but like I say I think GRR Martin goes too far with that theme. Those very same things are central to the plot of the Wheel of Time series too (do you know that series? I won't keep referring to it if you have no idea what I'm talking about! I couldn't recommend it more highly though), but in that series a medium is struck.

Characters are shady and have their own agendas, and are more than willing to stab major players in the back to further their own goals - but at the same time, there's a clear progression of the overarching plot, and main characters are mortal without needing to look over their shoulders every page (and likewise they're not covered head-to-toe in impenetrable plot armour).

Of course it's a matter of taste, but still. I think it's only fair to give byne an idea of both sides of the Song of Ice and Fire coin ^_^

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suprarj wrote...

OP, the ending was not a hallucination.


Oh...and what's your opinion on string theory?

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 27 avril 2012 - 08:17 .


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balance5050 wrote...

suprarj wrote...

OP, the ending was not a hallucination.


Pack it up folks, random nobody says there's nothing to the ending, we better believe him.


Will we ever learn to ignore posts like these? Seriously, some people just view this topic as an ant hill that you can poke with a stick to cause an angry swarm of ants to come pouring out and find nothing to attack. Let's not prove them right. 

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Aaaand I'm back from playing Witcher 2. Anything new going on?

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balance5050 wrote...

suprarj wrote...

OP, the ending was not a hallucination.


Pack it up folks, random nobody says there's nothing to the ending, we better believe him.


Oh crap I'm glad that's all cleared up. Phew... I've been wasting weeks of my ife obsessing over this.

;)

Modifié par Parabolee77, 27 avril 2012 - 08:18 .


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waldstr18 wrote...

i believe him. who would have thought?!


LOL you don't count silly:lol:

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I see that trolls have invaded us again.

Well, unlike the troll I helped in witcher 2 stop boozing, these trolls do not deserve any mercy!

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estebanus wrote...

Aaaand I'm back from playing Witcher 2. Anything new going on?


Well, a few posts up some random dude told us the Indoctrination Theory is untrue (he didn't need to back up his claim since he stated it so assuredly), so I guess we were wrong all along.

However byne asked whether Game of Thrones was worth watching/reading, so a few of us with differing opinions have been discussing the merits of the series (TV and books).

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waldo18 is definitely the worst poster on these here forums.

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waldstr18

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@estebanus

i thought you were one of the nice ones. dont be hating the disbelievers. maybe he posted so he could say he called it afterwards? just igonre him - problem solved.

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estebanus wrote...

I see that trolls have invaded us again.

Well, unlike the troll I helped in witcher 2 stop boozing, these trolls do not deserve any mercy!


I like what they tell you when you first hear of the troll.

"It's best for everyone to just leave the troll be."

Made me laugh.

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Eh, edited out.

Modifié par Voodzik, 27 avril 2012 - 08:32 .


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legaldinho wrote...

waldo18 is definitely the worst poster on these here forums.


Waldster18 shall offically be known as Waldo from this day forth

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waldstr18 wrote...

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i thought you were one of the nice ones. dont be hating the disbelievers. maybe he posted so he could say he called it afterwards? just igonre him - problem solved.



It was merely a chance to make a pun related to Witcher 2! :)

Don't worry, I won't judge them, but you've gotta admit, that it kinda sucks when a person walks into a room, claims that everything you're talking about is invalid, and then just leaves again.

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I really need to change my career or not work as hard. Damn my perfectionist over-working tendencies

Glad it's the weekend. Get to put off work for a day