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[Domanese]

What the heck just happened whilst I was gone...??

[balance5050]

Yeah, them walls feel like there gonna crush me. But I am gonna get some Pathfinder books now.

And yeah, Fantasy and sci-fi are equally good, I could never choose one over the other.

[waldstr18]

@spotlessvoid

first of all, thanks, i really like reading myself.

also, i never call anyone names or anything. just read it. all im saying (repeatedly) is your theory makes no sense to me. oh, and im going to tell you "i called it" once its disproven.

furthermore i even came in explaining why i dont believe in the theory. i dont know what your problem is.

if you want to report me, please do. im curious to see what happens actually. but please dont forget to include my arguements about the marketing and your pretentiousness.

im glad i could create a new hobby for you. i hope you find happiness in it.

[Arian Dynas]

Simon_Says wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

The precise mechanics of the indoctrination effect are poorly understood. It is believed that the Reapers generate an electromagnetic field, waves of infrasound and ultrasound, or both in order to stimulate areas of a victim's brain and limbic system. The resulting effect varies depending on the intent of the Reaper: the victim may suffer headaches and hallucinations, have feelings of "being watched" or paranoia, or come to view the Reaper itself with superstitious awe. Ultimately, the Reaper gains the ability to use the victim's body to amplify its signal, manifesting as voices within the victim's mind.

Right, I made a draft of a Arian-style Wall-o-Text I made it response to some off-hand mention of nanides but never bothered to finish. Basically it argued that there was an 'indoctrination' spectrum. On one hand there's the subliminal suggestion and psychological conditioning. On the other, 'mechanical' indoctrination by cybernetic graft, nanotech infection, or posibly spooky action at a distance*. Saren, TIM, Benezia, and according to IT Shepard were indoctrinated more on the subliminal end. Paul Grayson, ME3 Cerberus goons, endgame Saren and TIM, and all manner of husks reside on the mechanical end.

Mechanical indoctrination is fast and allows the reapers to ASSUME DIRECT CONTROL but predictably causes collateral damage that impairs the subject's faculties. Subliminal takes time and subtelty, but the subject retains more of their intelligence and autonomy.

Mechanical indoctrination creates puppets. Subliminal indoctrination creates pawns. Both have their strengths, faults and places in the reapers' agenda.

*Since the protheans were capable of transalien wireless neural interface, I've no doubt the Reapers could do the same with even greater range and sophistication. It still constitutes a form of mechanical indoctrination according to my spectrum.

Don't forget, Saren has grafts of the mechanical variety too, his entire arm was lifted from a Geth. He's also had extensive synthetic modification, Shepard possibly too, had reaper tech integreated into his implants, but perhaps indoctrinatio would be more obvious if that were the case.

Dwailing wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Waldstr18 
Here is a sample of your posts starting with the very first one. I've not even included all the posts where you "debunk" IDT then have nothing to say or dodge the queston when someone responds....the page each post can be found on is included

*snip*

Wow, I'd forgotten just how many reasons we had to passionately dislike him.

 

"I hate him."

"Don't say hate, schintzel!"

"Fine, I dislike him intensely."

spotlessvoid wrote...

I saw your info bomb Arian! Thank, just give me a little time and I will respond to the whole thing

 

Excellent.

[Dwailing]

OK, wald is back, so I'm gone. Oh, and I have other things to do. See you all later.

[Vahilor]

Dwailing wrote...

OK, wald is back, so I'm gone. Oh, and I have other things to do. See you all later.

Understandable, I will be gone as well and hopfully tomorrow there will be more piece in here again =)

[ExtendedCut]

Dwailing wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

I don't know about you, but I cringe at the thought of ME4. Unless they fix what we have now.

I don't need to kill every reaper, just Harbinger. And leave the relays intact. That's all they need to do to set up a good sequel for me. If they did this then I would even buy an ME mmo.

That would be the only MMO I'd ever buy, probably.  I'm wondering if the next ME game would be a prequel, maybe something set in the First Contact War.  I'd love to see what actually happened, and it would give Bioware the chance to maybe try creating a full blown shooter.  Guns with omni-chainsaws anyone?

I've thought for years that the "next chapter" of ME will be a prequel.  I initially thought it would consist of Shepard in the Elysium war that is mentioned many times, but since Bioware bascially said that ME3 "is the end os Shepard's journey", then you may be right about the First Contact War.  Or maybe we can  play a Krogan in the Rachni war?

And, just IMO, I have absolutely no interest in MMO's.  God, I hope ME doesn't go that way...

[balance5050]

waldstr18 wrote...

@spotlessvoid

first of all, thanks, i really like reading myself.

also, i never call anyone names or anything. just read it. all im saying (repeatedly) is your theory makes no sense to me. oh, and im going to tell you "i called it" once its disproven.

furthermore i even came in explaining why i dont believe in the theory. i dont know what your problem is.

if you want to report me, please do. im curious to see what happens actually. but please dont forget to include my arguements about the marketing and your pretentiousness.

im glad i could create a new hobby for you. i hope you find happiness in it.

Can you please just wait until the EC is out then because you just waist time otherwise.

[Arian Dynas]

balance5050 wrote...

Yeah, them walls feel like there gonna crush me. But I am gonna get some Pathfinder books now.

And yeah, Fantasy and sci-fi are equally good, I could never choose one over the other.

Nah, walls are easy to deal with, just climb down 'em, I got a pickaxe and some pitons you can borrow.

Also, yes yes yes buy Pathfinder books. Start with the Core rulebook. Pathfinder is more D&D than D&D right now is. It takes the best parts of 3.5, 3.0, and 2nd Ed and mixes them together with a few of the extremely rare good parts of 4.0, and unlike WoTC, Paizo treats it's customers very well, the Golarion setting is VERY rich and generally excellent, and unlike D&D under WoTC, they don't feel they are the end all be all about rules, and rather than making you buy supplements so you can face all suitations, they make you buy supplements because you wanna USE them.

[ExtendedCut]

On a different note - is it obvious that no new ME3 or IT news/hints/tweets have happened recently?

This thread has been anything BUT IT theory talk for about 10 pages now.

[Tr0n01d]

sorry for the off topic, but is it possible to embed 'tube videos on this forum ?

[paxxton]

ExtendedCut wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

I don't know about you, but I cringe at the thought of ME4. Unless they fix what we have now.

I don't need to kill every reaper, just Harbinger. And leave the relays intact. That's all they need to do to set up a good sequel for me. If they did this then I would even buy an ME mmo.

That would be the only MMO I'd ever buy, probably.  I'm wondering if the next ME game would be a prequel, maybe something set in the First Contact War.  I'd love to see what actually happened, and it would give Bioware the chance to maybe try creating a full blown shooter.  Guns with omni-chainsaws anyone?

I've thought for years that the "next chapter" of ME will be a prequel.  I initially thought it would consist of Shepard in the Elysium war that is mentioned many times, but since Bioware bascially said that ME3 "is the end os Shepard's journey", then you may be right about the First Contact War.  Or maybe we can  play a Krogan in the Rachni war?

And, just IMO, I have absolutely no interest in MMO's.  God, I hope ME doesn't go that way...

Mass Effect without Commander Shepard is a different Mass Effect. I'd rather see ME4 as a post-indoctrination sequel to ME3.

Modifié par paxxton, 27 avril 2012 - 11:49 .

[ExtendedCut]

balance5050 wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

@spotlessvoid

first of all, thanks, i really like reading myself.

also, i never call anyone names or anything. just read it. all im saying (repeatedly) is your theory makes no sense to me. oh, and im going to tell you "i called it" once its disproven.

furthermore i even came in explaining why i dont believe in the theory. i dont know what your problem is.

if you want to report me, please do. im curious to see what happens actually. but please dont forget to include my arguements about the marketing and your pretentiousness.

im glad i could create a new hobby for you. i hope you find happiness in it.

Can you please just wait until the EC is out then because you just waist time otherwise.

[n00bsauce2010]

[quote]spotlessvoid wrote...

Waldstr18
Here is a sample of your posts starting with the very first one. I've not even included all the posts where you "debunk" IDT then have nothing to say or dodge the queston when someone responds....the page each post can be found on is included


873
[quote]waldstr18 wrote...

indoctrination theory is easily disproofed. just watch how many choices you get here:



if it was indoctrination and we had to choose the red option to snap out of it, why is it the only possible option here? the reapers noticed that shepard hadnt enough war assets so they werent interested in successfully mind controlling him? they just made a ... trial run (?) for the next hero with a bigger army?

and for those saying the ending went over everyones heads: ever heard of the emperors new cloth?

some of these explanations ... really? the kid smiled? shepard bled from the same spot anderson was shot? or my personal favorite: "do you hear that humm or is it just me?"
had to be indoctrination... what else could it have been? vega hears a humming sound. case and point.[/quote]
874
[quote]waldstr18 wrote...
anyways i only posted here to be able to tell you afterwards: "i called it" and "in your face!"[/quote]
874
[quote]waldstr18 wrote...
we are talking about a game here, right? otherwise i take back everything i said and i will spend the rest of my life preparing for the next reaper invasion.[/quote]
876
[quote]waldstr18 wrote...
now if your indoctrination theory is made true, well, all that is pointless. and thats why im arguing here. and of course the "in your face" reason.[/quote]
876
[quote]waldstr18 wrote...
now all thats left for me is waiting for my "in your face!" moment.[/quote]
913
[quote]waldstr18 wrote...
since your theory can explain everything in the game, do you have an explanation why the asari were not warned by their prothean beacon?
[/quote]
915
[quote]waldstr18 wrote...
i think you are the ones who are indoctrinated.
[/quote]
916
[quote]waldstr18 wrote...
question is; what are you going to do if they charge for the ending dlc, and if it shows you were right all along?

well, if you are happily paying for it, it supports my theory that you are the ones being indoctrinated - by your own self, by the way, since for me it still makes no sense that bioware planned to use indoctrination the way you say it did. they might use it as an easy way out, but even that i find unlikely.
[/quote]
928
[quote]waldstr18 wrote...
i have the best explanation for i.t.: i managed to clip myself out of the engineering deck on the normandy once, ran around the ship in space and then clipped myself back in were jack used to sleep. im not making stuff up, i really did that. no hacking or what so ever. but this is clearly not possible. so it has to be indoctrination, right? bioware doesnt make mistakes, they planned that so, that i knew all of this wasnt real, cause im astral projecting.
indoctrination theory is therefore proven, cause there is no other explanation.
[/quote]
938
[quote]waldstr18 wrote...
hopefully someone captures the moment when the devs tell you, they dont have an indoctrination fairy in their team, who puts all the little signs in the game you interpreted as proof.
[/quote]
938
[quote]waldstr18 wrote...
well, after it has been made public that they planned this, i will gladly shoot myself, just like indoctrinated people are supposed to. but i hope if they tell you there was no indoctrination plan in the game, you have a long and meaningful life making up lots more of crazy theories.[/quote]
938
[quote]waldstr18 wrote...
but i have noticed most of you are masters of straw grasping, so you will answer that with "there was not enough time for the indoctrination" or "the reapers werent interested any more in indoctrination". oh, and to think even outside of the game box: you are saying they gave us an unfinished game.

these points make it impossible for me to follow your cult. yet, i respect the "it could be an easy way out" guys, cause thats actually true. all the holes would be patched by clothing your eyes, shaking your head and screaming "ITS NOT TRUE!". but to insist on bioware planned it that way? i dont think so.[/quote]
939
[quote]waldstr18 wrote...
you all sound very desperate to me, as well also im waiting for the "we have been wrong! mass suicide!!!!" post.
[/quote]
939
[quote]waldstr18 wrote...
i actually lost track how i got here. i think it went something like: i dont believe it and am looking forward to the developers telling you there was no indoctrination.
[/quote]
955
[quote]waldstr18 wrote...
just for you noobi, im gonna find religion and pray to my then new found god every day at least for an hour that the coming dlc disproves the idt.
and when i say religion, i mean one of the previsouly made up ones, not the one you are clearly following.
[/quote]


Only 82 pages in and a pretty obvious pattern has emerged.

Btw I'm only getting started. This is all going in a report to the mods. There is another 1000 pages of you harassing this thread.

Justify those comments.[/quote]

waldstr18 needs to sit the f*ck down because he just got owned.

[Simon_Says]

ExtendedCut wrote...

On a different note - is it obvious that no new ME3 or IT news/hints/tweets have happened recently?

This thread has been anything BUT IT theory talk for about 10 pages now.

Tweets have been made. But they're all over the place and suspect. We've basically stopped considering them seriously. There are tidbits popping up now and then, but I think most the things that could be discussed have been discussed by this point.

[ExtendedCut]

paxxton wrote...

ExtendedCut wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

I don't know about you, but I cringe at the thought of ME4. Unless they fix what we have now.

I don't need to kill every reaper, just Harbinger. And leave the relays intact. That's all they need to do to set up a good sequel for me. If they did this then I would even buy an ME mmo.

That would be the only MMO I'd ever buy, probably.  I'm wondering if the next ME game would be a prequel, maybe something set in the First Contact War.  I'd love to see what actually happened, and it would give Bioware the chance to maybe try creating a full blown shooter.  Guns with omni-chainsaws anyone?

I've thought for years that the "next chapter" of ME will be a prequel.  I initially thought it would consist of Shepard in the Elysium war that is mentioned many times, but since Bioware bascially said that ME3 "is the end os Shepard's journey", then you may be right about the First Contact War.  Or maybe we can  play a Krogan in the Rachni war?

And, just IMO, I have absolutely no interest in MMO's.  God, I hope ME doesn't go that way...

Mass Effect without Commander Shepard is a different Mass Effect. I'd rather see ME4 as a post-indoctrination sequel to ME3.

Yeah, me too, but BW did say that Shepard is done.  And we know that BW would never lie about anything....

[waldstr18]

i got owned by someone repeating the stuff i said?

[estebanus]

And I'm back again!

turns out the nurses don't like it when you come visit your brother late in the evening! Who knew?

Anyways, has the ****storm passed?
And did we find any new evidence for the IT?

[Arian Dynas]

ExtendedCut wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

I don't know about you, but I cringe at the thought of ME4. Unless they fix what we have now.

I don't need to kill every reaper, just Harbinger. And leave the relays intact. That's all they need to do to set up a good sequel for me. If they did this then I would even buy an ME mmo.

That would be the only MMO I'd ever buy, probably.  I'm wondering if the next ME game would be a prequel, maybe something set in the First Contact War.  I'd love to see what actually happened, and it would give Bioware the chance to maybe try creating a full blown shooter.  Guns with omni-chainsaws anyone?

I've thought for years that the "next chapter" of ME will be a prequel.  I initially thought it would consist of Shepard in the Elysium war that is mentioned many times, but since Bioware bascially said that ME3 "is the end os Shepard's journey", then you may be right about the First Contact War.  Or maybe we can  play a Krogan in the Rachni war?

And, just IMO, I have absolutely no interest in MMO's.  God, I hope ME doesn't go that way...

I say sequel, why? Because imagine it. It's about 5 years post ending of ME3, Shepard, the only man to have defeated indoctrination, the hero of Earth, the victor who brought the Reaper fleet crashing to it's knees is done bebopping about the galaxy has retired, promoted to the rank of Admiral and leads the First fleet in honor from abord his flagship, the Normandy, the slowly rebuilding council, still fighting off massive pockets of Reaper resistance on each and every planet they take back, finding more and more horrors everywhere they go, Anderson is now the defacto leader of the Alliance military, Hackett has become leader of the new parliament, overseeing the reconstruction of Arcturus station, TIM is still at large, rebuilding his forces for Cerberus to rise again, giving everyone the implication that the new Cerberus is a seperate group from the old. Aria is again re-establishing herself as leader of Omega, Wrex is slowly building the Krogan into a superpower, a major part of galactic society, leading the council to worry they may be bucking for a council seat soon, Thessia slowly re-asserts itself, reeling from the knowledge that their early history is nothing like what it thought, Liara returns to her position as Shadow Broker, shoring up governments as they re establish themselves behind the scenes, Garrus takes a position as the new Primarch of Palaven after Victus retires from the loss of his son,

Sounds like just the sort of Galaxy in need of a new spectre, doesn't it? Dealing with the mess?

Modifié par Arian Dynas, 27 avril 2012 - 11:54 .

[paxxton]

Simon_Says wrote...

ExtendedCut wrote...

On a different note - is it obvious that no new ME3 or IT news/hints/tweets have happened recently?

This thread has been anything BUT IT theory talk for about 10 pages now.

Tweets have been made. But they're all over the place and suspect. We've basically stopped considering them seriously. There are tidbits popping up now and then, but I think most the things that could be discussed have been discussed by this point.

We can discuss it all again to kill time. Is this circular logic?

[ExtendedCut]

Simon_Says wrote...

ExtendedCut wrote...

On a different note - is it obvious that no new ME3 or IT news/hints/tweets have happened recently?

This thread has been anything BUT IT theory talk for about 10 pages now.

Tweets have been made. But they're all over the place and suspect. We've basically stopped considering them seriously. There are tidbits popping up now and then, but I think most the things that could be discussed have been discussed by this point.

So are we running out of stuff to talk about?  I mean, other than b**ching back and forth with trolls?

Modifié par ExtendedCut, 27 avril 2012 - 11:54 .

[n00bsauce2010]

waldstr18 wrote...

i got owned by someone repeating the stuff i said?

You got owned because someone disproved your self righteous notion that you are not a troll.

But reality states otherwise.. therefore you are indoctrinated.

[estebanus]

I see a few people have been discussing pen and paper games.
My brother, sister and I had planned on playing a Fallout PNP game, but fate seems to have intervened.

Great, now I haz a sad!

Modifié par estebanus, 27 avril 2012 - 11:57 .

[Simon_Says]

Arian Dynas wrote...

I say sequel, why? Because imagine it. It's about 5 years post ending of ME3, Shepard, the only man to have defeated indoctrination, the hero of Earth, the victor who brought the Reaper fleet crashing to it's knees is retired from bebopping about the galaxy has retired...

Shiala would like to have a word with you.

[Arian Dynas]

ExtendedCut wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

ExtendedCut wrote...

On a different note - is it obvious that no new ME3 or IT news/hints/tweets have happened recently?

This thread has been anything BUT IT theory talk for about 10 pages now.

Tweets have been made. But they're all over the place and suspect. We've basically stopped considering them seriously. There are tidbits popping up now and then, but I think most the things that could be discussed have been discussed by this point.

So are we running out of stuff to talk about?  I mean, other than b**ching back and forth with trolls?

I post a huge ass block of text with tons of information and theories, so densly packed together that people pass it over usually as a novel in length and this is running OUT of stuff to discuss?