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Simon_Says wrote...
Arian Dynas wrote...
Simon_Says wrote...
Right, I made a draft of a Arian-style Wall-o-Text I made it response to some off-hand mention of nanides but never bothered to finish. Basically it argued that there was an 'indoctrination' spectrum. On one hand there's the subliminal suggestion and psychological conditioning. On the other, 'mechanical' indoctrination by cybernetic graft, nanotech infection, or posibly spooky action at a distance*. Saren, TIM, Benezia, and according to IT Shepard were indoctrinated more on the subliminal end. Paul Grayson, ME3 Cerberus goons, endgame Saren and TIM, and all manner of husks reside on the mechanical end.
Mechanical indoctrination is fast and allows the reapers to ASSUME DIRECT CONTROL but predictably causes collateral damage that impairs the subject's faculties. Subliminal takes time and subtelty, but the subject retains more of their intelligence and autonomy.
Mechanical indoctrination creates puppets. Subliminal indoctrination creates pawns. Both have their strengths, faults and places in the reapers' agenda.
*Since the protheans were capable of transalien wireless neural interface, I've no doubt the Reapers could do the same with even greater range and sophistication. It still constitutes a form of mechanical indoctrination according to my spectrum.
Don't forget, Saren has grafts of the mechanical variety too, his entire arm was lifted from a Geth. He's also had extensive synthetic modification, Shepard possibly too, had reaper tech integreated into his implants, but perhaps indoctrinatio would be more obvious if that were the case.
Hence why I said spectrum. Still, the apparent symptoms of Saren's indoctrination appear more subliminal than mechanical, at least until the final confrontation*.
I also don't think Shepard was integrated with reaper technology, as I said before. If it was really the case, then why haven't the reapers taken some form of control over Shepard before the end of ME3? Maybe there wasn't a sufficient 'population' or reaper nani(t/d)es to cause nearly the effects we see Paul Grayson suffer but still. Also, the whole bit with Miranda about the control chip suggests to me that TIM wasn't indoctrinated, and wasn't willing to risk Shepard being indoctrinated. Remember, TIM was aware of the phenomenon, and presumably how it is manifested and contracted. Then again, there's no hard evidence against Shepard being infected on some level.
Maybe in the case of Saren, TIM and Shepard the cybernetics induced subliminal indoctrination instead, which seems more likely. As for how TIM or Shepard goes so long without succumbing to indoctrination, well, I have an idea. If you're gonna turn someone into a pawn, if you have to break down their psychological defences.
Both TIM and Shepard are shown to be highly driven and self confident individuals, at least until the end of ME2/begining of ME3 respectively. When Shepard goes off the rails, either by destroying the Collector base or turning themself in to the Alliance, TIM really dove into the deep end. Experimenting with live reaper technology and the like. For Shepard, it's kind of obvious how the reapers' are breaking him/her down.
Unfortunately I know there is evidence that points to TIM being at least lightly indoctrinated well before ME2. The Pragia facility, Project Overlord and the research team on the derelict reaper are all suspicious in motive and method. Pragia/Overlord both mirror the reapers' agenda of integrating mass effect and cybernetic technology to the human form. TIM must have already known the danger of indoctrination before sending Chandana in.
On the flipside, they could mean that because of his hubris and extremist transhuman leanings that TIM was more easily/thoroughly/effectively indoctrinated.
I don't know what else to say on the matter so... umm... discuss?
Oh I agree with you completely on Saren and about it being a spectrum and that Shepard probably doesn't have any Reaper tech inside him, but I was giving it as a possibility.
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