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[Arian Dynas]

Arian Dynas wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...
Is Liara's goodbye considered a mind meld, or some similar act?
If so what ramifications does that possibly hold for IT?

Unless one is saying that everything is in Shepards head at that point, wouldn't Liara be able to tell if Shepard is indoctrinated? If that is the case, it seems to imply Shepard isn't indoctrinated (or at least to any significant degree) yet, and would seem to further the theory that Shepard isn't under full attack from Reaper indoctrination until Harbinger's blast (or elevator.)

Maybe I'm assuming incorrect things about Asari mind melds, but Liara and Shepard, especially if she is your LI, are pretty damn close. Does anyone else think she should have picked up on something?

Seems with Shepards infamous willpower that the Reapers wouldnt be able to indoctrinate Shepard intellectually, hence why up until the end, they are only trying to manipulate his subconscious emotionally.

Only after taking a massive blow from Harbinger, is he weak enough to attempt a direct attack on his conscious mind.
Meaning indoctrination may have started in earnest at object Rho, but only culminated at Harbingers beam

I just realized something, When Liara does her goodbye, in the background you see the Milky way. What do you see as part of the ending sequence, posited as being exactly like Neurons firing? The Milky way. Establishing the galaxy as a metaphor for Shep's mind perhaps?

Nevermind, just a bright blue light. I'm losing my mind.

[WarDog774]

the unlearned, old age is winter; for the learned it is the season of the harvest.

[spotlessvoid]

Nvm 2

Modifié par spotlessvoid, 28 avril 2012 - 01:40 .

[Arian Dynas]

WarDog774 wrote...

the unlearned, old age is winter; for the learned it is the season of the harvest.

Go away.

[Uncle Jo]

Wow 2 massive trolls at once, I've never experienced it. How are you holding on guys all the time ?

[WarDog774]

Arian Dynas wrote...

WarDog774 wrote...

the unlearned, old age is winter; for the learned it is the season of the harvest.

Go away.

"Go away"
Ohm my god! Iam scared...!!!
retard:P
 

[WarDog774]

Uncle Jo wrote...

Wow 2 massive trolls at once, I've never experienced it. How are you holding on guys all the time ?

Hmmm...
Let me see...
I've been better before I knew You...
But W/E

Troll u are:(

Iam Partying:P:D:wizard:

[byne]

You guys remember the good old days, when trolls actually put effort into trolling, and didnt just resort to childish name calling?

WARDOG, IF ARIAN IS A RETARD YOU'RE A POO-FACE!

WHAT NOW?

[Uncle Jo]

Arian Dynas wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...
Is Liara's goodbye considered a mind meld, or some similar act?
If so what ramifications does that possibly hold for IT?

Unless one is saying that everything is in Shepards head at that point, wouldn't Liara be able to tell if Shepard is indoctrinated? If that is the case, it seems to imply Shepard isn't indoctrinated (or at least to any significant degree) yet, and would seem to further the theory that Shepard isn't under full attack from Reaper indoctrination until Harbinger's blast (or elevator.)

Maybe I'm assuming incorrect things about Asari mind melds, but Liara and Shepard, especially if she is your LI, are pretty damn close. Does anyone else think she should have picked up on something?

Seems with Shepards infamous willpower that the Reapers wouldnt be able to indoctrinate Shepard intellectually, hence why up until the end, they are only trying to manipulate his subconscious emotionally.

Only after taking a massive blow from Harbinger, is he weak enough to attempt a direct attack on his conscious mind.
Meaning indoctrination may have started in earnest at object Rho, but only culminated at Harbingers beam

I just realized something, When Liara does her goodbye, in the background you see the Milky way. What do you see as part of the ending sequence, posited as being exactly like Neurons firing? The Milky way. Establishing the galaxy as a metaphor for Shep's mind perhaps?

I'd say that the mind melds sequence (one of the most beautiful game) was just an metaphorical interpretation of the "embrace eternity". But if Shep was highly indoctrinated at this point, imo Liara would have noticed it without a doubt...

[Zangton]

waldstr18 wrote...

he also gave me the option to explain, which i did.

but i think by now youve insulted me direclty often enough, for me not to care anymore. furthermore its not like im posting drunk stuff. im usually only answering to posts addressed or about me. i actually thought i was done for the night, but then spotlessvoid posted something about me again and asked me to comment or explain or something. i have also said a few pages back that im very careful selecting the posts im responding to, if they are not directed at me. cause as you some of you have noticed, my knowledge about mass effect 3 isnt as deep as yours, since i only played through it twice. 

Please do not use me as an example of your idea of the "everyman" on this forum, as I have never insulted you, nor have I ever claimed deep knowledge of Mass Effect 3. I just don't want the pretentious dialogue you seem to keep dishing out to continue. Treating people as individuals without talking down to them, regardless of disagreeing with an opinion or interpretation, goes a long way.

Modifié par Zangton, 28 avril 2012 - 01:50 .

[Domanese]

One tiny thing that always bugged me slightly. Why would bioware disable saving after you touch down on earth?

[ExtendedCut]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...
Is Liara's goodbye considered a mind meld, or some similar act?
If so what ramifications does that possibly hold for IT?

Unless one is saying that everything is in Shepards head at that point, wouldn't Liara be able to tell if Shepard is indoctrinated? If that is the case, it seems to imply Shepard isn't indoctrinated (or at least to any significant degree) yet, and would seem to further the theory that Shepard isn't under full attack from Reaper indoctrination until Harbinger's blast (or elevator.)

Maybe I'm assuming incorrect things about Asari mind melds, but Liara and Shepard, especially if she is your LI, are pretty damn close. Does anyone else think she should have picked up on something?

Seems with Shepards infamous willpower that the Reapers wouldnt be able to indoctrinate Shepard intellectually, hence why up until the end, they are only trying to manipulate his subconscious emotionally.

Only after taking a massive blow from Harbinger, is he weak enough to attempt a direct attack on his conscious mind.
Meaning indoctrination may have started in earnest at object Rho, but only culminated at Harbingers beam

I just realized something, When Liara does her goodbye, in the background you see the Milky way. What do you see as part of the ending sequence, posited as being exactly like Neurons firing? The Milky way. Establishing the galaxy as a metaphor for Shep's mind perhaps?

Nevermind, just a bright blue light. I'm losing my mind.

Arian, just wanted to let you know that I did indeed read your big-ass post about 10 pages back, like I promised .  Thanks for the interesting read.  I totally agree with the marketing comments - I've posted something similar around page 400 (I think ) that, if nothing else, the backlash of the ending has turned Bioware into a household name (in the video game world, at least), and that much publicity CAN'T be a bad thing.

[byne]

Uncle Jo wrote...

I'd say that the mind melds sequence (one of the most beautiful game) was just an metaphorical interpretation of the "embrace eternity". But if Shep was highly indoctrinated at this point, imo Liara would have noticed it without a doubt...

Well, first off, why would she have noticed indoctrination? There's been nothing stating asari have the ability to detect indoctrination.

Mind melding doesnt work like the prothean mind reading thing. You seem to have to focus on which memories to share, otherwise Liara wouldnt have had to go behind Shep's back to learn about her, she'd have known all about her after the mind meld they did for the beacon, and Liara wouldnt have had to give Shep the gift she gives her before the final push, because Shep would already have seen that memory.

Second, while I agree with you that its a beautiful scene, what the hell is Liara showing you exactly?

She's all 'This is one of my memories.' and then she shows you a bunch of stars and a really bright light.

To be completely honest, the first time through I thought she was showing me her memories of being born, kind of like the beginning of Fallout 3, and was super confused.

Modifié par byne, 28 avril 2012 - 02:00 .

[Arian Dynas]

Uncle Jo wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...
Is Liara's goodbye considered a mind meld, or some similar act?
If so what ramifications does that possibly hold for IT?

Unless one is saying that everything is in Shepards head at that point, wouldn't Liara be able to tell if Shepard is indoctrinated? If that is the case, it seems to imply Shepard isn't indoctrinated (or at least to any significant degree) yet, and would seem to further the theory that Shepard isn't under full attack from Reaper indoctrination until Harbinger's blast (or elevator.)

Maybe I'm assuming incorrect things about Asari mind melds, but Liara and Shepard, especially if she is your LI, are pretty damn close. Does anyone else think she should have picked up on something?

Seems with Shepards infamous willpower that the Reapers wouldnt be able to indoctrinate Shepard intellectually, hence why up until the end, they are only trying to manipulate his subconscious emotionally.

Only after taking a massive blow from Harbinger, is he weak enough to attempt a direct attack on his conscious mind.
Meaning indoctrination may have started in earnest at object Rho, but only culminated at Harbingers beam

I just realized something, When Liara does her goodbye, in the background you see the Milky way. What do you see as part of the ending sequence, posited as being exactly like Neurons firing? The Milky way. Establishing the galaxy as a metaphor for Shep's mind perhaps?

I'd say that the mind melds sequence (one of the most beautiful game) was just an metaphorical interpretation of the "embrace eternity". But if Shep was highly indoctrinated at this point, imo Liara would have noticed it without a doubt...

You're forgetting there are indications she is being indoctrinated too, and indoctrination is subtle, 
as comprehensiv as a Mind meld is, Indoctrination is  a manipulation of extremely basic thoughts and personality aspects. More than likely it would seem normal to her.

byne wrote...

You guys remember the good old days, when trolls actually put effort into trolling, and didnt just resort to childish name calling?

WARDOG, IF ARIAN IS A RETARD YOU'RE A POO-FACE!

WHAT NOW?

I have reported nearly every post this jagoff has made. WHY THE HELL ARE THE MODS DOING NOTHING?

ExtendedCut wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...
Is Liara's goodbye considered a mind meld, or some similar act?
If so what ramifications does that possibly hold for IT?

Unless one is saying that everything is in Shepards head at that point, wouldn't Liara be able to tell if Shepard is indoctrinated? If that is the case, it seems to imply Shepard isn't indoctrinated (or at least to any significant degree) yet, and would seem to further the theory that Shepard isn't under full attack from Reaper indoctrination until Harbinger's blast (or elevator.)

Maybe I'm assuming incorrect things about Asari mind melds, but Liara and Shepard, especially if she is your LI, are pretty damn close. Does anyone else think she should have picked up on something?

Seems with Shepards infamous willpower that the Reapers wouldnt be able to indoctrinate Shepard intellectually, hence why up until the end, they are only trying to manipulate his subconscious emotionally.

Only after taking a massive blow from Harbinger, is he weak enough to attempt a direct attack on his conscious mind. 
Meaning indoctrination may have started in earnest at object Rho, but only culminated at Harbingers beam

I just realized something, When Liara does her goodbye, in the background you see the Milky way. What do you see as part of the ending sequence, posited as being exactly like Neurons firing? The Milky way. Establishing the galaxy as a metaphor for Shep's mind perhaps?

Nevermind, just a bright blue light. I'm losing my mind.

Arian, just wanted to let you know that I did indeed read your big-ass post about 10 pages back, like I promised [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/unsure.png[/smilie].  Thanks for the interesting read.  I totally agree with the marketing comments - I've posted something similar around page 400 (I think [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/grin.png[/smilie]) that, if nothing else, the backlash of the ending has turned Bioware into a household name (in the video game world, at least), and that much publicity CAN'T be a bad thing.

 

Thank you.

[Simon_Says]

Domanese wrote...

One tiny thing that always bugged me slightly. Why would bioware disable saving after you touch down on earth?

Doesn't. There are still some windows where you can quick or manually save. I'm guessing it's really just a gameplay thing. Unless they don't want us to save in the middle of a sequence they're planning to change later... hrm...

Uncle Jo wrote...

This war will leave some marks (nice euphemism). Reprisals will occur no matter what. And the Krogan...
Even
if Wrex and Eve are able to maintain a certain order, I think that
there will be some clans that'll go rogue and use dirty tricks on the
Turian and Salarian... No one will forget that the Asari detained a
prothean beacon and join the war at the very last moment. Same for the
salarian Dalatrass... The geopolitical balance is completely changed
with new powers emerging (Humans and Krogan) and as it always happens
after a war it will be troubled and uncertain times...
So it's
maybe  to give enough work for a new spectre...( I'm asking myself which
threat could be greater than the Reapers)

"Something to think about -- if you killed the most dangerous thing in the galaxy, that leaves... us."

If they say Dragon Age 3 will be about saving the world from itself, why not something similar for Mass Effect 4? You said it yourself, the political situation will be ambiguous and uncertain at best. The mightiest military and economic powers are thrashed, and new ones have arisen. The fight for survival has been won. The fight for peace has just begun.

I would laugh my arse off if they made this a strategy game.

[ExtendedCut]

Uncle Jo wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...
Is Liara's goodbye considered a mind meld, or some similar act?
If so what ramifications does that possibly hold for IT?

Unless one is saying that everything is in Shepards head at that point, wouldn't Liara be able to tell if Shepard is indoctrinated? If that is the case, it seems to imply Shepard isn't indoctrinated (or at least to any significant degree) yet, and would seem to further the theory that Shepard isn't under full attack from Reaper indoctrination until Harbinger's blast (or elevator.)

Maybe I'm assuming incorrect things about Asari mind melds, but Liara and Shepard, especially if she is your LI, are pretty damn close. Does anyone else think she should have picked up on something?

Seems with Shepards infamous willpower that the Reapers wouldnt be able to indoctrinate Shepard intellectually, hence why up until the end, they are only trying to manipulate his subconscious emotionally.

Only after taking a massive blow from Harbinger, is he weak enough to attempt a direct attack on his conscious mind.
Meaning indoctrination may have started in earnest at object Rho, but only culminated at Harbingers beam

I just realized something, When Liara does her goodbye, in the background you see the Milky way. What do you see as part of the ending sequence, posited as being exactly like Neurons firing? The Milky way. Establishing the galaxy as a metaphor for Shep's mind perhaps?

I'd say that the mind melds sequence (one of the most beautiful game) was just an metaphorical interpretation of the "embrace eternity". But if Shep was highly indoctrinated at this point, imo Liara would have noticed it without a doubt...

I'm not sure that I agree.  After all, indoctrination is not a form of mind control, it is more like someone being influenced by those old subliminal messages that were supposedly planted on vinyl records.  In other words, at least in the beginning, indoctrination is more of a suggestion by some disembodied voice - and that voice eventually becomes more and more important to the subject.  So, again just IMO, but I don't see why Liara couldn't "mind-meld" with Shep and not notice anything, because he isn't really a different person or have different brain-waves than he used to, he would just slowly but surely have increasingly different opinions and points of view. 

I don't know if that makes any sense or not the way I explained it.

EDIT: Well, dang it, Byne and Arian basically said the same thing that I did before I did.  And they both said it better than I did, I think.

Modifié par ExtendedCut, 28 avril 2012 - 02:04 .

[waldstr18]

Zangton wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

he also gave me the option to explain, which i did.

but i think by now youve insulted me direclty often enough, for me not to care anymore. furthermore its not like im posting drunk stuff. im usually only answering to posts addressed or about me. i actually thought i was done for the night, but then spotlessvoid posted something about me again and asked me to comment or explain or something. i have also said a few pages back that im very careful selecting the posts im responding to, if they are not directed at me. cause as you some of you have noticed, my knowledge about mass effect 3 isnt as deep as yours, since i only played through it twice. 

Please do not use me as an example of your idea of the "everyman" on this forum, as I have never insulted you, nor have I ever claimed deep knowledge of Mass Effect 3. I just don't want the pretentious dialogue you seem to keep dishing out to continue. Treating people as individuals without talking down to them, regardless of disagreeing with an opinion or interpretation, goes a long way.

i appologize for using you as my example. ive just gotten used to the indoctrination guys teaming up, so ive stopped thinking about individuals completely.

ill try and stop that.

about me disrespecting your theory. it just seems stupid to me, how can you still believe in it? seriously, the gaming industry guy from a few hours ago explained it better than i ever could, from a marketing standpoint it makes just no sense. doenst matter how many in game clues you find, mass effect is a game, which has been made to be sold to many people. i feel like you are trapped in your mass effect box unable to see the big economical picture.

if thats talking down in your eyes, i cant help it. as for the pretentious part; i think its pretentious of you guys to even come with the indoctrination theory stating the game hasnt been finished even though bioware said it has been. (talking about the ending here, not the side mission dlc) also the claims of some of you here that bioware wont sell many games in the future if idt isnt true or that they are stupid if they are not using it as their own cause it would fix the mess they have made - that kind sir, thats pretentious.

[Rifneno]

Sammuthegreat wrote...

Honestly? Not really, in my opinion. I've read the books, and came away more frustrated than impressed. The series isn't over yet, but the writer makes it very difficult to sympathise or even care about the characters - most of the characters you'd naturally feel sympathetic towards are ruthlessly killed off while the sh*tbags prosper, bar a few exceptions. You stop getting emotionally invested in characters because you can't shake the notion they'll die before long, even off-screen.

Also the world is grim, yes, but very often I feel it's taken too far. This sort of goes along with my previous point, but it's actually quite difficult to care about books where things go from bad to worse, rarely with any respite or upturn in events. Often it seems like the writer tries to shock his readers purely for the sake of being shocking, or going against stereotype, which I absolutely hate. One of the principal reasons I dislike the ME3 endings at face value, in fact.

Thanks for that. Seriously, I'm really glad you warned us (even if it wasn't meant as a warning). I was going to start on that book series soon and I positively loathe that style. If I just want to hear depressing realism, I'll turn on the ****ing news.

A friend recommended the Malazan Book of the Dead series a while back and I've been stuck on that for a while. Largely the same crap. At the end of the second book I wanted the punt the author in the head. =/

Arian Dynas wrote...

Besides, it it helps you to understand the man Rifneno, Javik according to his memory shard was basically a Prothean Shepard, whome, because his crew was indoctrinated, had to kill all of them PERSONALLY. That would **** anyone up. In fact if you had him look at the shard, then he chooses to go commit suicide after the end of the war.

That has literally no bearing whatsoever on his douchebaggery. Because as you said (well, implied): he doesn't even remember it.
Though admittedly I had no idea what was in that shard. I told him not to look. I sure as hell wouldn't want to look if I was him.

ExtendedCut wrote...

Sorry, meant no offense. I will read your mega-post, I promise, just haven't gotten to it yet.

Damn you, Arian! I've never gotten one of my walls of text called a "mega-post". I'm jealous now.

Arian Dynas wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

thats why i dont drink. but actually, wardog, since im all the troll those guys can handle, i have to ask you to leave them alone. if you wouldnt mind.

... we're being defended by Waldstr?

What has this thread come to?!?

Hang on, let me check and see if the sun has turned black and the oceans are red with the blood of the innocent.

... Hmm. Nope, sun's normal and the ocean's only red over by the middle east. Weird. Could've sworn this was mentioned in the bible as one of those sign-dealies.

Uncle Jo wrote...

Wow 2 massive trolls at once, I've never experienced it. How are you holding on guys all the time ?

Pfft. This is nothing. I used to be on unmoderated usenet. One time I was dumb enough to post my picture, and somebody photoshopped me into goatse. ... Use your imagination, I don't want to describe it. Some tool constantly repeating "lulz im gonna say i told u so later" is no big deal.

Arian Dynas wrote...

I have reported nearly every post this jagoff has made. WHY THE HELL ARE THE MODS DOING NOTHING?

Trying to figure out a way that Dragon Age 2 made sense.

[n00bsauce2010]

waldstr18 wrote...


i appologize for using you as my example. ive just gotten used to the indoctrination guys teaming up, so ive stopped thinking about individuals completely.

ill try and stop that.

about me disrespecting your theory. it just seems stupid to me, how can you still believe in it? seriously, the gaming industry guy from a few hours ago explained it better than i ever could, from a marketing standpoint it makes just no sense. doenst matter how many in game clues you find, mass effect is a game, which has been made to be sold to many people. i feel like you are trapped in your mass effect box unable to see the big economical picture.

if thats talking down in your eyes, i cant help it. as for the pretentious part; i think its pretentious of you guys to even come with the indoctrination theory stating the game hasnt been finished even though bioware said it has been. (talking about the ending here, not the side mission dlc) also the claims of some of you here that bioware wont sell many games in the future if idt isnt true or that they are stupid if they are not using it as their own cause it would fix the mess they have made - that kind sir, thats pretentious.

More trolling from the troll

[lex0r11]

Zangton wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

he also gave me the option to explain, which i did.

but i think by now youve insulted me direclty often enough, for me not to care anymore. furthermore its not like im posting drunk stuff. im usually only answering to posts addressed or about me. i actually thought i was done for the night, but then spotlessvoid posted something about me again and asked me to comment or explain or something. i have also said a few pages back that im very careful selecting the posts im responding to, if they are not directed at me. cause as you some of you have noticed, my knowledge about mass effect 3 isnt as deep as yours, since i only played through it twice. 

Please do not use me as an example of your idea of the "everyman" on this forum, as I have never insulted you, nor have I ever claimed deep knowledge of Mass Effect 3. I just don't want the pretentious dialogue you seem to keep dishing out to continue. Treating people as individuals without talking down to them, regardless of disagreeing with an opinion or interpretation, goes a long way.

waldstr18 wrote...

actually, i like it here. at the moment
at least. if my being here fills the thread with negativity, so be it. i
dont care. if im not getting called names, someone else will join post
something, and then get called names for it. so what difference does it
make?

and if im poison to the thread, go and report me. but i
doubt anyone will ban me, for even if some posts of mine are provocative
in your eyes, someone who doesnt care about the indoctrination theory
as much as you guys do, will see them for what they are. just posts
opposing the idt.

sorry to be so blunt. but what do i care if people want me somewhere or not? im not hurting anyone. so chill out.

It's pretty clear to me.

waldstr18 wrote...

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

@noobsauce

i hope you wont start crying now.

More evidence that you're a troll. Keep it coming, I enjoy proving you wrong.

there is nothing i can do then.

luckily
for me though your theory is going to be declared false in summer, so
im looking forward to rubbing that in your face. until then i hope you
have lots of fun proving im a troll.

First, I for one don't call it true, I call it a theory.

You are certain the theory is wrong and the prove is coming. You called people desperate who claimed this theory as the truth. You claim your opinion as the truth. O P I N I O N.


It is pretty presumptuous to think that "luckily
for me though your theory is going to be declared false in summer".

I apologies for awkwardness in words, it's pretty late in europe, i had some drinks.


Mal im ernst Wald, ist das alles immer noch noetig?

[Domanese]

Simon_Says wrote...

Domanese wrote...

One tiny thing that always bugged me slightly. Why would bioware disable saving after you touch down on earth?

Doesn't. There are still some windows where you can quick or manually save. I'm guessing it's really just a gameplay thing. Unless they don't want us to save in the middle of a sequence they're planning to change later... hrm...

Yeah that always puzzled me. Even before the extended cut was announced bioware made a pretty good effort to make sure the finale was incapable of getting a save slot for it. To me this tells me that whatever they are doing was full on intentional from day one. 

Incidentally I know the TARDIS is blue but... I think I found a Doctor Who reference in mass effect 3.

[Arian Dynas]

waldstr18 wrote...

Zangton wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

he also gave me the option to explain, which i did.

but i think by now youve insulted me direclty often enough, for me not to care anymore. furthermore its not like im posting drunk stuff. im usually only answering to posts addressed or about me. i actually thought i was done for the night, but then spotlessvoid posted something about me again and asked me to comment or explain or something. i have also said a few pages back that im very careful selecting the posts im responding to, if they are not directed at me. cause as you some of you have noticed, my knowledge about mass effect 3 isnt as deep as yours, since i only played through it twice. 

Please do not use me as an example of your idea of the "everyman" on this forum, as I have never insulted you, nor have I ever claimed deep knowledge of Mass Effect 3. I just don't want the pretentious dialogue you seem to keep dishing out to continue. Treating people as individuals without talking down to them, regardless of disagreeing with an opinion or interpretation, goes a long way.

i appologize for using you as my example. ive just gotten used to the indoctrination guys teaming up, so ive stopped thinking about individuals completely.

ill try and stop that.

about me disrespecting your theory. it just seems stupid to me, how can you still believe in it? seriously, the gaming industry guy from a few hours ago explained it better than i ever could, from a marketing standpoint it makes just no sense. doenst matter how many in game clues you find, mass effect is a game, which has been made to be sold to many people. i feel like you are trapped in your mass effect box unable to see the big economical picture.

if thats talking down in your eyes, i cant help it. as for the pretentious part; i think its pretentious of you guys to even come with the indoctrination theory stating the game hasnt been finished even though bioware said it has been. (talking about the ending here, not the side mission dlc) also the claims of some of you here that bioware wont sell many games in the future if idt isnt true or that they are stupid if they are not using it as their own cause it would fix the mess they have made - that kind sir, thats pretentious.

We have proven time and again it DOES make sense. You yourself admit that you didn't pass Physics, can you claim that you are an economics expert as well?

[Uncle Jo]

byne wrote...


Well, first off, why would she have noticed indoctrination? There's been nothing stating asari have the ability to detect indoctrination.

Mind melding doesnt work like the prothean mind reading thing. You seem to have to focus on which memories to share, otherwise Liara wouldnt have had to go behind Shep's back to learn about her, she'd have known all about her after the mind meld they did for the beacon, and Liara wouldnt have had to give Shep the gift she gives her before the final push, because Shep would already have seen that memory.

Second, while I agree with you that its a beautiful scene, what the hell is Liara showing you exactly?

She's all 'This is one of my memories.' and then she shows you a bunch of stars and a really bright light.

To be completely honest, the first time through I thought she was showing me her memories of being born, kind of like the beginning of Fallout 3, and was super confused.

Oh, I didn't know how the mind melding works to this extent. I just assumed that Shep and Liara were sharing all the memories of their respective lives without any restrain since it was maybe the last time they see each other (I didn't hear the "this is one my memories). Hence I supposed that Liara 'd notice if something's wrong. My bad and thanks for the correction!
I thought of the stars and the bright light only as a background to give us somewhat the feeling of the infinity/eternity, and they're not exactly related to what she's actually showing you... Maybe I was wrong...

Modifié par Uncle Jo, 28 avril 2012 - 02:08 .

[ExtendedCut]

Uncle Jo wrote...

Wow 2 massive trolls at once, I've never experienced it. How are you holding on guys all the time ?

I'm also on a certain fitness-related forum (that will remain nameless), and the amount of trollishness and idiocy on there dwarfs anything that has been seen on this thread.

[Big Bad]

HOLY CRAP.

I jjust played MP on Gold and survived all the way to extraction!!  This is UNPRECEDENTED!

*ahem ahem*

Well, carry on then.