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n00bsauce2010 wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

you really cant sleep if i dont put on my troll hat and sing you a troll song, right?


Weren't you already doing that? Your last 5 posts would lead me to believe so.


actually i wasnt. but i promise you a little troll show once all that indoctrination business has been clarified. i just hope you can wait that long.

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Uncle Jo wrote...


@Arian and Extended Cut
It seems my comprehension of the Asari mind-melding was pretty wrong. Apologies. I've stated about it in my previous post.


Can't speak for Arian (obviously) but no need to apologize to me.  My interpretation of the "mind-meld" is just that, an interpretation, and for all we know you could be completely correct.

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Uncle Jo wrote...

I sometimes come to a logical conclusion as I already sent my post [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/grin.png[/smilie]
It could fit pretty well for an eventual ME4 (even as strategy game :D) with or without Shep. Bioware stated about it: ME3 is the end of his story, but he still can be there in the background (as Arian said as retired Admiral, or simply depending on our own choices and who survived/died in ME3. I could imagine Shep fed up with war, having lost many of his friends and eventually lost his/her LI, simply retired on some planet where the new spectre comes and learns from him. Or still kicking some Reapers a**)


Oh, that reminds me.

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Consider this, however: in ME2 it is revealed that even a "dead" Reaper can influence the living. Even if the Reapers were removed as an active threat, their remains would litter land and space. Close contact would affect the living and all it would take is one more Illusive Man, now with a fuller understanding of their tech, to begin a galactic war and establish a return to the Reapers.


And of course the idea HellishFiend and I came up in response to Auralius' keen observation: There's a bigger fish.

Modifié par Simon_Says, 28 avril 2012 - 02:41 .


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@extendedcut

thats actually just what i want. i dont want to offend anyone, even after the idt is proven wrong. but im going to make fun of you guys for believing this long and the ones being offended then, are probably supposed to.


But wouldn't that offend people? Are you mentally retarded or do you just enjoy contradicting yourself?

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@nooby

nope, he said people wont care ergo they wont be offended.

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waldstr18 wrote...

@extendedcut

thats actually just what i want. i dont want to offend anyone, even after the idt is proven wrong. but im going to make fun of you guys for believing this long and the ones being offended then, are probably supposed to.


But if your potential gloating was NOT to make yourself feel superior, then you wouldn't bother.  You don't know any of these people, and you won't affect their lives, so there is no reward other than self-gratification.

Modifié par ExtendedCut, 28 avril 2012 - 02:45 .


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Uncle Jo wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

*snip*

"Something to think about -- if you killed the most dangerous thing in the galaxy, that leaves... us."

If
they say Dragon Age 3 will be about saving the world from itself, why
not something similar for Mass Effect 4? You said it yourself, the
political situation will be ambiguous and uncertain at best. The
mightiest military and economic powers are thrashed, and new ones have
arisen. The fight for survival has been won. The fight for peace has
just begun.

I would laugh my arse off if they made this a strategy game.


I sometimes come to a logical conclusion as I already sent my post [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/grin.png[/smilie]
It
could fit pretty well for an eventual ME4 (even as strategy game :D)
with or without Shep. Bioware stated about it: ME3 is the end of his
story, but he still can be there in the background (as Arian said as retired
Admiral, or simply depending on our own choices and
who survived/died in ME3. I could imagine Shep fed up with war, having
lost many of his friends and eventually lost his/her LI, simply retired
on some planet where the new spectre comes and learns from him. Or still kicking some Reapers a**)

@Arian and Extended Cut
It seems my comprehension of the Asari mind-melding was pretty wrong. Apologies. I've stated about it in my previous post.


I'd say no strategy game, but something kinda DA:O style? Letting you pick what race this new spectre is, a couple of pre-defined characters from each race, all voice acted and written, but you pick which one you use? That'd be interesting. They could even make them all simaltaneously canon by having you meet the other inductees, but the identity of the agent in question would never be revealed to the public, so it could have been any of them.

I really see three options for Shepard, maybe 4.

If he survived the ending with his squad and his honor mostly intact, then he becomes Admiral of the First Fleet after Hackett retires to Parliament.

If he didn't survive, then you get to visit the John Shepard Memorial on Earth.

If he survived but most of his squad was wiped out, then he retires to some planet somewhere on a beach, basicall telling the universe "**** all, I'm done with you. I've put enough effort into bringing you together, If you're gonnea tear yourselves apart, so be it." and perhaps mentor the Spectre character a bit.

If Shepard was indoctrinated then he goes down in history as the greatest benedict arnold of all time and the Reapers win, no save transfer.

And Extended is right, no need to apologize. I love to educate :lol:

Modifié par Arian Dynas, 28 avril 2012 - 02:49 .


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@extended cut

no, im all about teaching a lesson here. i dont liket iwhen some people call other people troll just beacuse they disagree with them. people should be careful who they call a troll, cause he might have resources or ambitions or in the worst case both.

so if you call me troll, i will show you how awesome a troll i can be! oh, i also accepted that as being childish behaviour, but its also a lot of fun.

edit: and for being superior. please! i dont know half as much about mass effect as you guys nor have i played that many bioware games in the first place. what can i feel superior about? if you have read the stories about my life, you must have noticed that everything in my life is based on luck. im proud of that, but can i feel superior because of that? hardly.

Modifié par waldstr18, 28 avril 2012 - 02:51 .


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Guys, guys! Look! You see that circular flow of arguments? It's never ending. look at it! It's like.. like..


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Look how it's spinning..

Modifié par lex0r11, 28 avril 2012 - 02:49 .


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Waldstr, and all of you who have a problem with Waldstr. If you have a problem, don't talk to him. Why the hell do you prolong this pointless debate? Why the hell do you have to prove anything about anyone?

Just drop it as it is. Christ.

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waldstr18 wrote...

@nooby

nope, he said people wont care ergo they wont be offended.


But your post contains your own predetermined assumption that people will be offended by your "face rubbing"

Therefore your post contradicts itself by saying.. "I don't want to offend people by rubbing people's faces in it.. so I won't.. but I can't wait to rub people's faces in it" - Thats certainly what it looks like

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Simon_Says wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

I sometimes come to a logical conclusion as I already sent my post [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/grin.png[/smilie]
It could fit pretty well for an eventual ME4 (even as strategy game :D) with or without Shep. Bioware stated about it: ME3 is the end of his story, but he still can be there in the background (as Arian said as retired Admiral, or simply depending on our own choices and who survived/died in ME3. I could imagine Shep fed up with war, having lost many of his friends and eventually lost his/her LI, simply retired on some planet where the new spectre comes and learns from him. Or still kicking some Reapers a**)


Oh, that reminds me.

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Consider this, however: in ME2 it is revealed that even a "dead" Reaper can influence the living. Even if the Reapers were removed as an active threat, their remains would litter land and space. Close contact would affect the living and all it would take is one more Illusive Man, now with a fuller understanding of their tech, to begin a galactic war and establish a return to the Reapers.


And of course the idea HellishFiend and I came up in response to Auralius' keen observation: There's a bigger fish.


Speaking of that, make sure to let us know in advance the next time you're planning on getting tanked while on the forum. I dont want to miss the next thing you come up with. :lol:

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byne wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Yeah. Other players.
Like those overexcited Vanguards that die before wave 5 and leave, so 3 people are left to fight through that madness. Damn these quiters.


You should be required to pass some form of test before being allowed to play a vanguard in multiplayer.

I mean, if I die even once throughout all 11 waves on Silver on my vanguard, I feel like I've let my team down.

Every vanguard I play with seems to die multiple times per wave though. I dont see how they could suck so hard.


-twiddled thumbs - I don't suck on my vanguard I hardly ever die, unless I'm unknowingly playing on silver at level 8 didn't know how that happened but I got sandwiched between two Geth primes and my b*tt will never be the same after that.  
:crying:

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HellishFiend wrote...

Speaking of that, make sure to let us know in advance the next time you're planning on getting tanked while on the forum. I dont want to miss the next thing you come up with. :lol:


Actually, I already got something in the works. It's a new non-literal theory of the ending, an alternative to IT.

I call it Inducktrination Theory.

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Simon_Says wrote...

Oh, that reminds me.

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Consider this, however: in ME2 it is revealed that even a "dead" Reaper can influence the living. Even if the Reapers were removed as an active threat, their remains would litter land and space. Close contact would affect the living and all it would take is one more Illusive Man, now with a fuller understanding of their tech, to begin a galactic war and establish a return to the Reapers.


And of course the idea HellishFiend and I came up in response to Auralius' keen observation: There's a bigger fish.


Just like a nuclear pollution on a pretty bigger scale of dangerousness and durability... Well if half all that you said were to be true, then we're done... Even Shep won't save us. Do you know you guys are scary  ?
I just realized something, do we know what happened to Sovereign's remain ? I mean he wasn't reduced to cosmic dust and a part of it almost killed  Shep.

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HellishFiend wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

I sometimes come to a logical conclusion as I already sent my post [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/grin.png[/smilie]
It could fit pretty well for an eventual ME4 (even as strategy game :D) with or without Shep. Bioware stated about it: ME3 is the end of his story, but he still can be there in the background (as Arian said as retired Admiral, or simply depending on our own choices and who survived/died in ME3. I could imagine Shep fed up with war, having lost many of his friends and eventually lost his/her LI, simply retired on some planet where the new spectre comes and learns from him. Or still kicking some Reapers a**)


Oh, that reminds me.

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Consider this, however: in ME2 it is revealed that even a "dead" Reaper can influence the living. Even if the Reapers were removed as an active threat, their remains would litter land and space. Close contact would affect the living and all it would take is one more Illusive Man, now with a fuller understanding of their tech, to begin a galactic war and establish a return to the Reapers.


And of course the idea HellishFiend and I came up in response to Auralius' keen observation: There's a bigger fish.


Speaking of that, make sure to let us know in advance the next time you're planning on getting tanked while on the forum. I dont want to miss the next thing you come up with. :lol:


Personally, I say merely keeping the galaxy together while they rebuild is enough of an interesting enemy for me, Though the Reapers might still be involved, escaping back to dark space to regroup while the galaxy rebuilds, the cycle having been delayed yet again...

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n00bsauce2010 wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

@nooby

nope, he said people wont care ergo they wont be offended.


But your post contains your own predetermined assumption that people will be offended by your "face rubbing"

Therefore your post contradicts itself by saying.. "I don't want to offend people by rubbing people's faces in it.. so I won't.. but I can't wait to rub people's faces in it" - Thats certainly what it looks like


you assume that everyone is offended if he gets something rubbed in his face. you might be, but i dont think the rest is. its all in good fun, but i doubt you know what that is.

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Uncle Jo wrote...
Just like a nuclear pollution on a pretty bigger scale of dangerousness and durability... Well if half all that you said were to be true, then we're done... Even Shep won't save us. Do you know you guys are scary  ?
I just realized something, do we know what happened to Sovereign's remain ? I mean he wasn't reduced to cosmic dust and a part of it almost killed  Shep.


I think they say something in ME2 about how they recovered less than half of Sovereign's remains after it was destroyed.

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waldstr18 wrote...

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no, im all about teaching a lesson here. i dont liket iwhen some people call other people troll just beacuse they disagree with them. people should be careful who they call a troll, cause he might have resources or ambitions or in the worst case both.

so if you call me troll, i will show you how awesome a troll i can be! oh, i also accepted that as being childish behaviour, but its also a lot of fun.


But again, like n00b said, you are totally contradicting yourself. 

You don't want to offend, and accept that your comments cannot be insulting and/or condescending if people don't care.  So, why do you think people will learn your "lesson" if they don't care?  So therefore, it seems that you DO want to offend them into "learning" your lesson.

Your underlying motives of simple egotism are becoming more and more clear.

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waldstr18 wrote...

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

@nooby

nope, he said people wont care ergo they wont be offended.


But your post contains your own predetermined assumption that people will be offended by your "face rubbing"

Therefore your post contradicts itself by saying.. "I don't want to offend people by rubbing people's faces in it.. so I won't.. but I can't wait to rub people's faces in it" - Thats certainly what it looks like


you assume that everyone is offended if he gets something rubbed in his face. you might be, but i dont think the rest is. its all in good fun, but i doubt you know what that is.


Where do you come off thinking that? I never said anyone would be offended by it. You did.

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byne wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...
Just like a nuclear pollution on a pretty bigger scale of dangerousness and durability... Well if half all that you said were to be true, then we're done... Even Shep won't save us. Do you know you guys are scary  ?
I just realized something, do we know what happened to Sovereign's remain ? I mean he wasn't reduced to cosmic dust and a part of it almost killed  Shep.


I think they say something in ME2 about how they recovered less than half of Sovereign's remains after it was destroyed.


Y'know, in the end do you know whom I see as being the big villian of the next ME game?

Cerberus.

Think about it, the galaxy is destabillized, Humanity is helping to rebuild rather than taking control, TIM contuinuing with his plans of using tech from the destroyed Reapers, adjusting to the suitation, trying  to seize control for Humanity's dominance, hiding behind Cerberus, building a new front, claiming the new orginization is a seperate and distinct one from the one destroyed in the war, building his power base again, now facing down a new spectre, chosen by the council to deal with him as he races toward things he doesn't understand in his mad grab for power, as TIM slowly goes furhter and further downhill...

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Uncle Jo wrote...

I just realized something, do we know what happened to Sovereign's remain ? I mean he wasn't reduced to cosmic dust and a part of it almost killed Shep.


"It's... not right. It's look pretty, calm and peaceful... but it's not right. It's all just an illusion."

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Simon_Says wrote...

Waldstr, and all of you who have a problem with Waldstr. If you have a problem, don't talk to him. Why the hell do you prolong this pointless debate? Why the hell do you have to prove anything about anyone?

Just drop it as it is. Christ.


Noted.  I will stop.  All logic has gone out the window anyway, apparently.

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@extendedcut

i have no doubt the troll hunters will care. thats why they are still respoding to my posts even though they have called me a troll weeks ago. and the face rubbing is intended for them, so all works out.

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byne wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...
Just like a nuclear pollution on a pretty bigger scale of dangerousness and durability... Well if half all that you said were to be true, then we're done... Even Shep won't save us. Do you know you guys are scary  ?
I just realized something, do we know what happened to Sovereign's remain ? I mean he wasn't reduced to cosmic dust and a part of it almost killed  Shep.


I think they say something in ME2 about how they recovered less than half of Sovereign's remains after it was destroyed.

Yeah but what did they exactly do with it ? but it's a golden opportunity to study your worst enemey (with naturally high risks of Indoc) and learn about eventual weaknesses and then using it against him...
Oops... I start to think like TIM...

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