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[Arian Dynas]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

byne wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Has anyone asked the question yet, "Where do Harvesters come from?" because now there are dragons in ME and I have idea why.

Harvesters are made from Harvesters, you know, that thing that flew in every so often to spit Klixen at you during Grunt's coming of age test?

There were also harvesters on that one planet with all the green ammonia fog you go to during one of the N7 missions in ME2.

Are they supposed to be sentient? Because every other form of Reaper minion is.

Nope, they're pretty much animals, being convieniently used as troop transports.

[Golferguy758]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

byne wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Has anyone asked the question yet, "Where do Harvesters come from?" because now there are dragons in ME and I have idea why.

Harvesters are made from Harvesters, you know, that thing that flew in every so often to spit Klixen at you during Grunt's coming of age test?

There were also harvesters on that one planet with all the green ammonia fog you go to during one of the N7 missions in ME2.

Are they supposed to be sentient? Because every other form of Reaper minion is.

Believe they have a primitive type society. They got harvested (lolol see what i did there?) and mutated just as collateral damage and the Reapers saw a good use for them.

[DirtyPhoenix]

Also people, what factors determine which other squadmate (other than your LI) walks outta the Normandy? I know there's no specific answer, or maybe its random but any ideas what it might be? I have a few friends who claim they've had EDI walk out in destroy ending and I'm determined to see it for myself :@

[h4xor555]

pirate1802 wrote...

Also people, what factors determine which other squadmate (other than your LI) walks outta the Normandy? I know there's no specific answer, or maybe its random but any ideas what it might be? I have a few friends who claim they've had EDI walk out in destroy ending and I'm determined to see it for myself :@

Well, I had Tali with me in the final run.

She appeared on the normandy.

Where did she learn to teleport?

[Hawk227]

pirate1802 wrote...

Also people, what factors determine which other squadmate (other than your LI) walks outta the Normandy? I know there's no specific answer, or maybe its random but any ideas what it might be? I have a few friends who claim they've had EDI walk out in destroy ending and I'm determined to see it for myself :@

I always thought it had to be someone you brought on the run to the beam. So if you brought EDI and your love interest you would have a good shot at seeing her. But I haven't tried it. And I suppose if it was that simple, it wouldn't be so mysterious.

[byne]

h4xor555 wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

Also people, what factors determine which other squadmate (other than your LI) walks outta the Normandy? I know there's no specific answer, or maybe its random but any ideas what it might be? I have a few friends who claim they've had EDI walk out in destroy ending and I'm determined to see it for myself :@

Well, I had Tali with me in the final run.

She appeared on the normandy.

Where did she learn to teleport?

Its those upgrades the geth are installing in their suits now, man!

[Simon_Says]

h4xor555 wrote...

Well, I had Tali with me in the final run. She appeared on the normandy. Where did she learn to teleport?

Please, give her some eezo and a circuit board and she'll be giving you precision jumps.

[Arian Dynas]

Hawk227 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Actually, Eezo is established to be an element, in this case with a high atomic mass, but low atomic weight ( 0 being it's atomic number in fact.), but completely lacking in a positive or negative charge, and by extension, protons and electrons, there are no Ions of Eezo, hence why an electrical charge causes effects in it. It's established to be formed from a star going supernova, effecting the planets in it's sphere of influence with extreme heat and potentially pressure, creating a substance similar to that which Neutron stars is formed of, and is in fact common around Neutron stars and Pulsars.

No protons, no electrons, it's not an element. It has no atoms. It's probably only reffered to as an element for in-universe historical reasons.

Please, I know my basic physics, unlike others I could mention.

Ouch. Thanks for the implication.

Last I checked, the definition of an element was a material that could be made up of only one type of atom. Gold, argon, oxygen, ect.

Yes, that's more or less true. An element is defined by the number of protons (and consequently electrons) in a single atom of it. An element without protons or electrons is just a neutron. Or a bunch of neutrons. Neutrons, incidentally have roughly the same mass as a proton. So if eezo has even as many as 2 neutrons (It's got a lot more, right?) it would weigh more than hydrogen. So I'm not sure how it could have a high atomic mass, but low atomic weight. That seems...  contradictory.

I apologize, high atomic mass/weight, but a low atomic number, Eezo would be a form of superheavy element, primarily the core of a star that went Supernova, in other words, a Neutron star.

Since Eezo is usually found in dust form in star ship cores (had to look that one up) that leads me to hypothesize that it is a superdense, superheavy element, powdered and suspended in rods, in the ship's core, an electrical charge is then sent through the suspension liquid and the element itself, causing the mass effect.

[Simon_Says]

Arian Dynas wrote...

I apologize, high atomic mass/weight, but a low atomic number, Eezo would be a form of superheavy element, primarily the core of a star that went Supernova, in other words, a Neutron star.

Since Eezo is usually found in dust form in star ship cores (had to look that one up) that leads me to hypothesize that it is a superdense, superheavy element, powdered and suspended in rods, in the ship's core, an electrical charge is then sent through the suspension liquid and the element itself, causing the mass effect.

I always thought it was a woman in a white dress chanting in Welsh. (Scroll down to the entry in FTL)

Modifié par Simon_Says, 28 avril 2012 - 04:15 .

[Domanese]

pirate1802 wrote...

Domanese wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

Domanese wrote...

Unfortunately I cannot. I have no video capture system or such. My apologies, I can only report on what I hear and see Simon. Hopefully this can help guide someone who can have a look at that and share it. 

Give me your savegames, I'll record it.

I dont think that works on a console regrettably. In either case now I'm up to the final decision. I said I was going to do control first without the music. I'll report on what happens.

Oh your on console, I assumed you were on PC like me, apologies. Where exactly did you hear and what? I'll do that in my own playthrough when I reach there.

Okay well first off the majority of what I was hearing was the lightning within the corridor ramp. Without music to boggle it and wearing headsets I could hear voices within some of the lightning. It sounded like "Get up" or "Wake up". The closer I get to Anderson the more intense the lightning gets. It stops during the conversation with the Illusive Man and Anderson. They have a resonating touch to their voice though when speaking as well. During the conversation the whispers return with a faint machine like edge or hum to them. Of course the growls are back and so forth.

Before that though I went halfway up towards the door where the lightning chamber begins and then noticed the windows or walls were changing. I could see what appeared to be black oily spider webs hanging from both the ceiling and the walls when I walked back the way i came. It didn't look like blood to me either.

During the Catalyst scene I could confirm the voice of male and female shepard within my ears as well as the childs' When I went for the control option without music there was a kind of static to the sounds and it resonated akin to the dream where you see the child catch fire. That booming noise returns when you start to to dissolve and Shep grabs the handles once more. One for each handle. And then nothing. It's dead silent.

Modifié par Domanese, 28 avril 2012 - 04:19 .

[Arian Dynas]

Domanese wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

Domanese wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

Domanese wrote...

Unfortunately I cannot. I have no video capture system or such. My apologies, I can only report on what I hear and see Simon. Hopefully this can help guide someone who can have a look at that and share it. 

Give me your savegames, I'll record it.

I dont think that works on a console regrettably. In either case now I'm up to the final decision. I said I was going to do control first without the music. I'll report on what happens.

Oh your on console, I assumed you were on PC like me, apologies. Where exactly did you hear and what? I'll do that in my own playthrough when I reach there.

Okay well first off the majority of what I was hearing was the lightning within the corridor ramp. Without music to boggle it and wearing headsets I could hear voices within some of the lightning. It sounded like "Get up" or "Wake up". The closer I get to Anderson the more intense the lightning gets. It stops during the conversation with the Illusive Man and Anderson. They have a resonating touch to their voice though when speaking as well. During the conversation the whispers return with a faint machine like edge or hum to them. Of course the growls are back and so forth.

During the Catalyst scene I could confirm the voice of male and female shepard within my ears as well as the childs' When I went for the control option without music there was a kind of static to the sounds and it resonated akin to the dream where you see the child catch fire. That booming noise returns when you start to to dissolve and Shep grabs the handles once more. One for each handle. And then nothing. It's dead silent.

I'm on PC. And I have the thing set to right before going up the beam, via the "restart mission" if you want to try.

[Arian Dynas]

Simon_Says wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

I apologize, high atomic mass/weight, but a low atomic number, Eezo would be a form of superheavy element, primarily the core of a star that went Supernova, in other words, a Neutron star.

Since Eezo is usually found in dust form in star ship cores (had to look that one up) that leads me to hypothesize that it is a superdense, superheavy element, powdered and suspended in rods, in the ship's core, an electrical charge is then sent through the suspension liquid and the element itself, causing the mass effect.

I always thought it was a woman in a white dress chanting in Welsh. (Scroll down to the entry in FTL)

Ugh... I feel so stupid now...

No offense, but the "At least I know my basic physics" comment was unecessary...

Modifié par Arian Dynas, 28 avril 2012 - 04:20 .

[Domanese]

Okay now I'm going to try destroy and see what happens without any music

Modifié par Domanese, 28 avril 2012 - 04:21 .

[Hawk227]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Hawk227 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Actually, Eezo is established to be an element, in this case with a high atomic mass, but low atomic weight ( 0 being it's atomic number in fact.), but completely lacking in a positive or negative charge, and by extension, protons and electrons, there are no Ions of Eezo, hence why an electrical charge causes effects in it. It's established to be formed from a star going supernova, effecting the planets in it's sphere of influence with extreme heat and potentially pressure, creating a substance similar to that which Neutron stars is formed of, and is in fact common around Neutron stars and Pulsars.

No protons, no electrons, it's not an element. It has no atoms. It's probably only reffered to as an element for in-universe historical reasons.

Please, I know my basic physics, unlike others I could mention.

Ouch. Thanks for the implication.

Last I checked, the definition of an element was a material that could be made up of only one type of atom. Gold, argon, oxygen, ect.

Yes, that's more or less true. An element is defined by the number of protons (and consequently electrons) in a single atom of it. An element without protons or electrons is just a neutron. Or a bunch of neutrons. Neutrons, incidentally have roughly the same mass as a proton. So if eezo has even as many as 2 neutrons (It's got a lot more, right?) it would weigh more than hydrogen. So I'm not sure how it could have a high atomic mass, but low atomic weight. That seems...  contradictory.

I apologize, high atomic mass/weight, but a low atomic number, Eezo would be a form of superheavy element, primarily the core of a star that went Supernova, in other words, a Neutron star.

Since Eezo is usually found in dust form in star ship cores (had to look that one up) that leads me to hypothesize that it is a superdense, superheavy element, powdered and suspended in rods, in the ship's core, an electrical charge is then sent through the suspension liquid and the element itself, causing the mass effect.

I realize I'm nitpicking semantics at this point (sorry), but like simon says pointed out, you can't really be an element without protons and electrons. The electron cloud (as well as the net charge) of an element plays a fundamental role in how it reacts in the natural world. I'm not sure you could even have neutron dust. And without protons and electrons, that's what eezo is: Agglutinated neutrons.

I was also pretty mediocre at the physics of charged particles, but I can't think of a single reason why running a charge through neutrons would cause it to do anything. Certainly increasing or decreasing its mass.

I always found eezo to be a poorly fleshed out phenomenon that was one of those things that just sort of had to be accepted for the rest of the universe to make sense. I realize a lot of the lore is established in science, but not all of it is. They probably should have just called it dark matter and not been too specific. Don't even get me started on DNA.

Modifié par Hawk227, 28 avril 2012 - 04:28 .

[Simon_Says]

Hawk227 wrote...

I realize I'm nitpicking semantics at this point (sorry), but like simon says pointed out, you can't really be an element without protons and electrons. The electron cloud (as well as the net charge) of an element plays a fundamental role in how it reacts in the natural world. I'm not sure you could even have neutron dust. And without protons and electrons, that's what eezo is: Agglutinated neutrons.

I was also pretty mediocre and the physics of charged particles, but I can't think of a single reason why running a charge through neutrons would cause it to do anything. Certainly increasing or decreasing its mass.

I always found eezo to be a poorly fleshed out phenomenon that was one of those things that just sort had to be accepted for the rest of the universe to make sense. I realize a lot of the lore is established in science, but not all of it is. They probably should have just called it dark matter and not been too specific.

Except dark matter as its currently understood doesn't even react with the electromagnetic force as far as we're aware. We can't see it. We can't even touch it. Also, I always just accepted that eezo was made up simply of an entirely new form of matter. Hell it may not even be made of quarks for all we know. It may not even be matter in the strictest sense, but some kind of negative space wedgie. It's a fictional material, and I was happy with Bioware never applying technobabble to try to pass it off as real.

Arian Dynas wrote...
Ugh... I feel so stupid now...[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/crying.png[/smilie]
No offense, but the "At least I know my basic physics" comment was unecessary...[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/pinched.png[/smilie]

Your tears, they bear the exquisite tanginess of shame. Fret not, it'd only diminish the value for this delightful moment if it were not so rare and elusive.

[Arian Dynas]

Simon_Says wrote...

Hawk227 wrote...
*snip*

Arian Dynas wrote...
Ugh... I feel so stupid now...[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/crying.png[/smilie]
No offense, but the "At least I know my basic physics" comment was unecessary...[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/pinched.png[/smilie]

Your tears, they bear the exquisite tanginess of shame. Fret not, it'd only diminish the value for this delightful moment if it were not so rare and elusive.

Ugh.. I feel like crap 

Modifié par Arian Dynas, 28 avril 2012 - 04:54 .

[Hawk227]

Simon_Says wrote...

Hawk227 wrote...

I realize I'm nitpicking semantics at this point (sorry), but like simon says pointed out, you can't really be an element without protons and electrons. The electron cloud (as well as the net charge) of an element plays a fundamental role in how it reacts in the natural world. I'm not sure you could even have neutron dust. And without protons and electrons, that's what eezo is: Agglutinated neutrons.

I was also pretty mediocre and the physics of charged particles, but I can't think of a single reason why running a charge through neutrons would cause it to do anything. Certainly increasing or decreasing its mass.

I always found eezo to be a poorly fleshed out phenomenon that was one of those things that just sort had to be accepted for the rest of the universe to make sense. I realize a lot of the lore is established in science, but not all of it is. They probably should have just called it dark matter and not been too specific.

Except dark matter as its currently understood doesn't even react with the electromagnetic force as far as we're aware. We can't see it. We can't even touch it. Also, I always just accepted that eezo was made up simply of an entirely new form of matter. Hell it may not even be made of quarks for all we know. It may not even be matter in the strictest sense, but some kind of negative space wedgie. It's a fictional material, and I was happy with Bioware never applying technobabble to try to pass it off as real.

So... I went back and looked at the codex, and it says nothing about neutrons. Its only hint at actual element-hood is saying it has an atomic number of 0. So I connected the dots for myself, I guess.

Anyway, that was my (poorly articulated) point. I thought applying technobabble to try and pass it off as real was a bad thing. I just remembered more technobabble than there actually was.

Modifié par Hawk227, 28 avril 2012 - 04:46 .

[spotlessvoid]

Question:

A mass effect field reduces mass to a point that it can travel by basically falling into a gravity well to travel forward faster than light, right? Wouldn't the mass be required to be less than that of a photon? How could the amount of information stored in an atom be reduced to less then what a photon can hold in any meaningful way?

Am I missing something?

[Simon_Says]

Hawk227 wrote...

So... I went back and looked at the codex, and it says nothing about neutrons. Its only hint at actual element-hood is saying it has an atomic number of 0. So I connected the dots for myself, I guess.

Anyway, that was my (poorly articulated) point. I thought applying technobabble to try and pass it off as real was a bad thing. I just remembered more technobabble than there actually was.

By the way, there is a theoretical material made entirely of neutrons. It's imaginatively named neutronium, and it's what makes up neutron stars. Y'know, the corpses of dead stars that happen to fall just short of collapsing into full on black holes (which are even more awesomely weird).

A teaspoon of the stuff in a neutron star masses more than a mountain.

And neutron stars are known to release killer amounts of radiation. The ones that do are called pulsars.

Who says physics is dull? And I haven't even told you the mind-bending stuff about black holes yet.

[Arian Dynas]

Simon_Says wrote...

Hawk227 wrote...

So... I went back and looked at the codex, and it says nothing about neutrons. Its only hint at actual element-hood is saying it has an atomic number of 0. So I connected the dots for myself, I guess.

Anyway, that was my (poorly articulated) point. I thought applying technobabble to try and pass it off as real was a bad thing. I just remembered more technobabble than there actually was.

By the way, there is a theoretical material made entirely of neutrons. It's imaginatively named neutronium, and it's what makes up neutron stars. Y'know, the corpses of dead stars that happen to fall just short of collapsing into full on black holes (which are even more awesomely weird).

A teaspoon of the stuff in a neutron star masses more than a mountain.

And neutron stars are known to release killer amounts of radiation. The ones that do are called pulsars.

Who says physics is dull? And I haven't even told you the mind-bending stuff about black holes yet.

That would be the stuff I was talking about.

Yes, I still feel stupid.

[Simon_Says]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Question:

A mass effect field reduces mass to a point that it can travel by basically falling into a gravity well to travel forward faster than light, right? Wouldn't the mass be required to be less than that of a photon? How could the amount of information stored in an atom be reduced to less then what a photon can hold in any meaningful way?

Am I missing something?

No. That's explicitly not what happens. FTL Mass effect fields are described as lowering the mass of all matter in the field so that it actually dips into the negatives, or something.

Y'know, lookup the codex on the mass effect wiki. And then realize that you shouldn't think to hard about the fictional handwavium.

[Arian Dynas]

Simon_Says wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Question:

A mass effect field reduces mass to a point that it can travel by basically falling into a gravity well to travel forward faster than light, right? Wouldn't the mass be required to be less than that of a photon? How could the amount of information stored in an atom be reduced to less then what a photon can hold in any meaningful way?

Am I missing something?

No. That's explicitly not what happens. FTL Mass effect fields are described as lowering the mass of all matter in the field so that it actually dips into the negatives, or something.

Y'know, lookup the codex on the mass effect wiki. And then realize that you shouldn't think to hard about the fictional handwavium.

I figured it worked by reducing the matter in a way similar to how a black hole warps spacetime, creating a sort of constantly moving whirlpool that the ship falls into.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Simon_Says wrote...

Hawk227 wrote...

So... I went back and looked at the codex, and it says nothing about neutrons. Its only hint at actual element-hood is saying it has an atomic number of 0. So I connected the dots for myself, I guess.

Anyway, that was my (poorly articulated) point. I thought applying technobabble to try and pass it off as real was a bad thing. I just remembered more technobabble than there actually was.

By the way, there is a theoretical material made entirely of neutrons. It's imaginatively named neutronium, and it's what makes up neutron stars. Y'know, the corpses of dead stars that happen to fall just short of collapsing into full on black holes (which are even more awesomely weird).

A teaspoon of the stuff in a neutron star masses more than a mountain.

And neutron stars are known to release killer amounts of radiation. The ones that do are called pulsars.

Who says physics is dull? And I haven't even told you the mind-bending stuff about black holes yet.

*raises hand* I wanna know about mind-bending black hole stuff!

[Arbalor4]

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[Simon_Says]

Arian Dynas wrote...

I figured it worked by reducing the matter in a way similar to how a black hole warps spacetime, creating a sort of constantly moving whirlpool that the ship falls into.

Erm... a blackhole warps spacetime such that all vectors within the event horizon point toward the singularity. So yeah... not that.

Okay, here's the real deal. As far as I understand, mass effect alters the mass of matter within the field so that it becomes either negative or complex, which allows it to overcome the lightspeed barrier.

No I have no idea what they were talking about when they said that the relays create negative mass corridors between relays.

And the tantalus drive the Normandies use is a reactionless drive, so unless it has the same ******-poor efficiency of a photon drive (300 MW per newton of thrust), it shouldn't work. Then again, mass-lightening tech can make this more feasible.

Gah. Eezo and mass effect are handwavium designed just to get the plot and setting of the fictional universe going. They really, really don't make any kind of actual scientific sense, so unless scientists tommorow discover something new and entirely radical, just accept the plot convenience and stop driving me insane by actually thinking how this crap shouldn't actually work.

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

*raises hand* I wanna know about mind-bending black hole stuff!

No. I'm tired. I'm cranky. Remind me tommorow and I'll see what I can do then. Till then, I'm basically done for the day. 'Nite.

Modifié par Simon_Says, 28 avril 2012 - 05:15 .