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[spotlessvoid]

Simon_Says wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Question:

A mass effect field reduces mass to a point that it can travel by basically falling into a gravity well to travel forward faster than light, right? Wouldn't the mass be required to be less than that of a photon? How could the amount of information stored in an atom be reduced to less then what a photon can hold in any meaningful way?

Am I missing something?

No. That's explicitly not what happens. FTL Mass effect fields are described as lowering the mass of all matter in the field so that it actually dips into the negatives, or something.

Y'know, lookup the codex on the mass effect wiki. And then realize that you shouldn't think to hard about the fictional handwavium.

but still, how can the mass of an object within a mass effect field be reduced below the mass of a photon and maintain structural integrity? regardless of it maintaining normalcy relative to other objects within the field, matter has a certain mass given by subatomic forces. A mass effect field would not only have to break the theory of relativity, but the very rules of known quantum mechanics no?

Now Bioware is handwaving away quarks and ish

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Arbalor4 wrote...

I know this might be highly off topic but after a long and ardous quest I have finally earned the right to post on this wonderful forum. I have been a follower since the 100th or so page thanks to the excellent gamefront article and have spent many a night trying to catch up to the most recent post but anyways i just wanna say how much better this has made the ending in my eyes allowing me to replay it if only to get the destroy ending because i picked synthesis because it seemed like the perfect ending of course after seeing it i realized it couldnt be true and i searched the internet far and wide to find the truth coming here and having my mind blown but anyway i fully believe and hope this is the intent and was so motivated i tracked down my gamertag account so i could post and finally before i go i would like to share this little gem i found

Welcome to the thread, don't mind the trolls they're only here on occaision.

@ simon_says
We'll see how it goes tomorrow then, night.

[Argetfalcon]

the ending was so bad that i wish it was

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Argetfalcon wrote...

the ending was so bad that i wish it was

Wish it was what? Did you mean "the ending was so bad that i wish IT (indoctrination theory) was---true"?

[byne]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Argetfalcon wrote...

the ending was so bad that i wish it was

Wish it was what? Did you mean "the ending was so bad that i wish IT (indoctrination theory) was---true"?

Thread title: "Was the ending a hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory"


Edit: speaking of the thread title and the original post, I should go and edit it and add stuff sometime soon.

Been a month since I last edited it, and I currently have 68 unread messages:unsure:

I need to stop procrastinating

Modifié par byne, 28 avril 2012 - 05:32 .

[gunslinger_ruiz]

byne wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Argetfalcon wrote...

the ending was so bad that i wish it was

Wish it was what? Did you mean "the ending was so bad that i wish IT (indoctrination theory) was---true"?

Thread title: "Was the ending a hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory"

Ahh well done deduction.

[DirtyPhoenix]

I posted this a while ago and its offtopic but since this is the only thread I follow, can anyone point me to a thread where I can learn how to undo the "bug" which prevents Ken and gabby from romancing each other?

[eeeaan]

I only read the first page...sorry yall, ain't doing 1845 pages haha...gonna be hard to say something original with that many posts.

That being said, has anyone noticed that the N7 logo looks kinda like 1M1,,,don't forget about the little red triangle thing that makes up the logo.

So uh, according to books I've read...a lot of the graphics...including being beamed up and the background behind the whole TIM argument look very similar to a DMT hallucination...which some think is the compound responsible for Near-Death Experiences, 'talking to other/godlike beings'...life flashing before your eyes, repeating fractal imagery, etc.

I can empathize with a lot of the problems people have, but at the same time...IRL, you don't know what consequences your actions will have, nor is ti always easy to decide what the 'right' choice is. If the point of the game is that you "are" Commander Shepard, it kinda makes sense that you don't get a "resolution"...you wouldn't get to know if your friends were still alive or if your sacrifice made things better or worse.

The scene after the credits with the man talking about "the shep[her]d" seem at least somewhat biblical in nature. Man gives up life to end cycle of suffering and exists in everything? Not saying Shepard = Jesus, as they're definitely not entirely analogous...but Mordin does compare the crucible project to the Tower of Babel.

[byne]

jamRwoo wrote...

but Mordin does compare the crucible project to the Tower of Babel.

Wait... he does?

[Big G13]

Back home early. So nice to come in here and see intelligent conversation instead of that crap ya'll have dealing with the last couple of days. How ya'll doin'?

[spotlessvoid]

jamRwoo wrote...

I only read the first page...sorry yall, ain't doing 1845 pages haha...gonna be hard to say something original with that many posts.

That being said, has anyone noticed that the N7 logo looks kinda like 1M1,,,don't forget about the little red triangle thing that makes up the logo.

So uh, according to books I've read...a lot of the graphics...including being beamed up and the background behind the whole TIM argument look very similar to a DMT hallucination...which some think is the compound responsible for Near-Death Experiences, 'talking to other/godlike beings'...life flashing before your eyes, repeating fractal imagery, etc.

I can empathize with a lot of the problems people have, but at the same time...IRL, you don't know what consequences your actions will have, nor is ti always easy to decide what the 'right' choice is. If the point of the game is that you "are" Commander Shepard, it kinda makes sense that you don't get a "resolution"...you wouldn't get to know if your friends were still alive or if your sacrifice made things better or worse.

The scene after the credits with the man talking about "the shep[her]d" seem at least somewhat biblical in nature. Man gives up life to end cycle of suffering and exists in everything? Not saying Shepard = Jesus, as they're definitely not entirely analogous...but Mordin does compare the crucible project to the Tower of Babel.

I've taken nn-DMT, DPT, 5-MEO. In large and small doses, in.various combinations
I just have to say that it is nothing like DMT. DMT is ....ineffable.
Reality is gone. Not warped, gone. Yet it makes complete sense.

On the other hand I came up with plenty of words after seeing the ending.

[spotlessvoid]

NDE though certainly works with IDT.

Modifié par spotlessvoid, 28 avril 2012 - 06:09 .

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Big G13 wrote...

Back home early. So nice to come in here and see intelligent conversation instead of that crap ya'll have dealing with the last couple of days. How ya'll doin'?

I'm doin' ok thanks for askin, how are you?

byne wrote...

jamRwoo wrote...

but Mordin does compare the crucible project to the Tower of Babel.

Wait... he does?

Haven't heard this myself, maybe only if you talk Mordin out of going up the tower? Requires Eve to die though, and you can't tell him about the sabotage (which means big bad Wrex comes and gets ya later on, no ones comes out of that one lookin' pretty).

[eeeaan]

spotlessvoid wrote...

jamRwoo wrote...

I only read the first page...sorry yall, ain't doing 1845 pages haha...gonna be hard to say something original with that many posts.

That being said, has anyone noticed that the N7 logo looks kinda like 1M1,,,don't forget about the little red triangle thing that makes up the logo.

So uh, according to books I've read...a lot of the graphics...including being beamed up and the background behind the whole TIM argument look very similar to a DMT hallucination...which some think is the compound responsible for Near-Death Experiences, 'talking to other/godlike beings'...life flashing before your eyes, repeating fractal imagery, etc.

I can empathize with a lot of the problems people have, but at the same time...IRL, you don't know what consequences your actions will have, nor is ti always easy to decide what the 'right' choice is. If the point of the game is that you "are" Commander Shepard, it kinda makes sense that you don't get a "resolution"...you wouldn't get to know if your friends were still alive or if your sacrifice made things better or worse.

The scene after the credits with the man talking about "the shep[her]d" seem at least somewhat biblical in nature. Man gives up life to end cycle of suffering and exists in everything? Not saying Shepard = Jesus, as they're definitely not entirely analogous...but Mordin does compare the crucible project to the Tower of Babel.

I've taken nn-DMT, DPT, 5-MEO. In large and small doses, in.various combinations
I just have to say that it is nothing like DMT. DMT is ....ineffable.
Reality is gone. Not warped, gone. Yet it makes complete sense.

On the other hand I came up with plenty of words after seeing the ending.

I didn't mean the ending was like taking DMT...that'd be ridiculous...just said the imagery was similar in some ways. I don't think that's a viable explanation, really; I was just having fun.

I saw somewhere (ign, I think?) that if you don't cure the genophage and can convince Mordin it's the right thing to do he lives, becomes a crucible asset, and sends you an email saying some shiznit like that later on.

[DirtyPhoenix]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

Back home early. So nice to come in here and see intelligent conversation instead of that crap ya'll have dealing with the last couple of days. How ya'll doin'?

I'm doin' ok thanks for askin, how are you?

byne wrote...

jamRwoo wrote...

but Mordin does compare the crucible project to the Tower of Babel.

Wait... he does?

Haven't heard this myself, maybe only if you talk Mordin out of going up the tower? Requires Eve to die though, and you can't tell him about the sabotage (which means big bad Wrex comes and gets ya later on, no ones comes out of that one lookin' pretty).

Gawd I can never bring myself to do that! Especially after hearing Wrex calling my shep a "true sister to him and the word shepard would mean hero for the krogan people". :'(

[Big G13]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

Back home early. So nice to come in here and see intelligent conversation instead of that crap ya'll have dealing with the last couple of days. How ya'll doin'?

I'm doin' ok thanks for askin, how are you?

byne wrote...

jamRwoo wrote...

but Mordin does compare the crucible project to the Tower of Babel.

Wait... he does?

Haven't heard this myself, maybe only if you talk Mordin out of going up the tower? Requires Eve to die though, and you can't tell him about the sabotage (which means big bad Wrex comes and gets ya later on, no ones comes out of that one lookin' pretty).

Good. I've been enjoying that song you posted in here. (Re-ignite) 
I also don't recall any "tower of babel" reference. When does Mordin say that.
EDIT: I see the answer above.

Modifié par Big G13, 28 avril 2012 - 06:25 .

[Makrys]

If I could just step in the door for a brief moment, I'd like to get you guys' opinions on this. If any of you care and have the time to read it, I would enjoy hearing your thoughts. Please post any comments in the the thread itself. Thanks

http://social.biowar.../index/11663568

Modifié par Makrys, 28 avril 2012 - 06:33 .

[HellishFiend]

Big G13 wrote...
Good. I've been enjoying that song you posted in here. (Re-ignite) 
I also don't recall any "tower of babel" reference. When does Mordin say that.
EDIT: I see the answer above.

I like that song too, but I have a hard time watching the video because I cant stand the prideful, "impressed with myself" smirk that she wears the entire time. I prefer to see some degree of humility when I watch performers and artists. But, like I said, it's still a great song. 

[gunslinger_ruiz]

pirate1802 wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

Back home early. So nice to come in here and see intelligent conversation instead of that crap ya'll have dealing with the last couple of days. How ya'll doin'?

I'm doin' ok thanks for askin, how are you?

byne wrote...

jamRwoo wrote...

but Mordin does compare the crucible project to the Tower of Babel.

Wait... he does?

Haven't heard this myself, maybe only if you talk Mordin out of going up the tower? Requires Eve to die though, and you can't tell him about the sabotage (which means big bad Wrex comes and gets ya later on, no ones comes out of that one lookin' pretty).

Gawd I can never bring myself to do that! Especially after hearing Wrex calling my shep a "true sister to him and the word shepard would mean hero for the krogan people". :'(

I really don't recommend it even if you're a renegade IF Wrex lived through Virmire. If you had to kill him or he's dead due to default history, you instead deal with Wreav who's kind of an ass anyway and he won't figure out you sabatoged the cure while Wrex is a lot smarter.  Eve also has to die to fully convince Mordin what he's doing is wrong, otherwise the only way to stop him is to shoot him.

SPOILERS
IF Wrex is alive, and you stop Mordin whichever way, Wrex catches up with you on the Citadel, no matter what actions you choose he pulls krogan support from the war effort for Earth and dies one of two or three ways. But, you do get a Salarian fleet and potentially Mordin as a war asset. You can still get a Salarian fleet if Thane survived ME2.
END SPOILERS.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

HellishFiend wrote...

Big G13 wrote...
Good. I've been enjoying that song you posted in here. (Re-ignite) 
I also don't recall any "tower of babel" reference. When does Mordin say that.
EDIT: I see the answer above.

I like that song too, but I have a hard time watching the video because I cant stand the prideful, "impressed with myself" smirk that she wears the entire time. I prefer to see some degree of humility when I watch performers and artists. But, like I said, it's still a great song. 

Speaking of, here's a repost of that beautiful Malukah song. Anyone who hasn't heard it, it's worth a listen, very calming/inspiring.

Reignite - Mass Effect/Shepard Tribute Song

EDIT: I think that's just how she smirks, she does so in most of her vids. Not seeing so much as "impressed with myself" but rather "I enjoy singing this" but perhaps that's just me.

Modifié par gunslinger_ruiz, 28 avril 2012 - 06:44 .

[Allan Schumacher]

You can get the Salarian Fleet with Kirrahe too.

[eeeaan]

Makrys wrote...

If I could just step in the door for a brief moment, I'd like to get you guys' opinions on this. If any of you care and have the time to read it, I would enjoy hearing your thoughts. Please post any comments in the the thread itself. Thanks

http://social.biowar.../index/11663568

Ahh, now you have the attention of those infinitely your greater.

The Internets Mob, that is.

[eeeaan]

Mordin's death was beautiful. My eyes got glassy.

"Really wish I could've studied she shells."

Then he started humming that ridiculous musical...'twas too much.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

You can get the Salarian Fleet with Kirrahe too.

Allan Schumacher good sir welcome back to the thread, haven't seen you post in a few hundred pages *salute*. I actually didn't know Kirrahe jumped in during that fight. He's a badass STG and all but, c'mon, seeing Thane fight again? Worth it.

[spotlessvoid]

It's like Byne has a little twin