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[Vahilor]

pirate1802 wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

I'd go crazy if I find out the devs meant synthesis to be the best ending.

didnt one of them already state just that?

Don't follow twitter so cant stay updated..

The Twitter posts are anyway mainly only the opinion of the person who is writng it.. and everybody of BW is writing somthing else.. so O wouldn't trust any twitter post.

[DJBare]

HellishFiend wrote...

RedDeadRemix wrote...

K I know this random, but during this video at 25:17-19, if you pause just after it switches views from EDI/Joker to the ship, look in the bushes next to Joker:



Is that Garrus??! =O It pops up for a second, but it sure looks like he walks into the bushes WHAT does this happen in all Synthesis endings?!

Wow, that is unmistakably Garrus. Nice catch. Surprised it hasnt been noticed before!

I'm not sure, the head looks more like Javik.

[Drift Avalii]

So, off topic but I must share. Playing ME2, at the downed collector ship which turns out to be a trap. First attact features two platforms, one with Harby and a couple of collectors and another with a scion.

I didn't bother with the scion, just took down Harby and his backing singers - and the platform with the scion whizzes off into the background, throwing it off it in the process. Flew for miles, man, MILES. Plus means I don't have to bother killing him :-D

[waldstr18]

Drift Avalii wrote...

So, off topic but I must share. Playing ME2, at the downed collector ship which turns out to be a trap. First attact features two platforms, one with Harby and a couple of collectors and another with a scion.

I didn't bother with the scion, just took down Harby and his backing singers - and the platform with the scion whizzes off into the background, throwing it off it in the process. Flew for miles, man, MILES. Plus means I don't have to bother killing him :-D

what difficulty are you playing on?

Modifié par waldstr18, 28 avril 2012 - 01:13 .

[Drift Avalii]

Veteran.

[waldstr18]

Drift Avalii wrote...

Veteran.

pc or console?

[MegumiAzusa]

Drift Avalii wrote...

Veteran.

There are 2 Scions on Insanity and you have to kill them on that difficulty.

[Drift Avalii]

Ah I see. I suspect a bug, as I'm on console and still had to kill one at that point. Anyway, wish it had been on PC so I could screenshot it. It made me chuckle.

[RxP4IN]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Cyberfrog81 wrote...

The Catalyst pauses before saying "DNA", as if thinking of a way to phrase it that you can relate to.

This.

Ah yes, Deoxy-ribo-nucleic acids combine with Deoxy-robo-nucleic acids.

In any sense it doesn't matter. The concept is space magic at best. The main problem is that the primary concept of synthesis derides diversity. "Changing DNA" does nothing to eradicate the central problem (as described by the catalyst) unless it alters the cognitive freedom of sapient species. In essence, synthesis brainwashes the entire galaxy not just without consent, but without their knowledge. Final stage of evolution my ass--final stage of facism, maybe.

[Drift Avalii]

RxP4IN wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Cyberfrog81 wrote...

The Catalyst pauses before saying "DNA", as if thinking of a way to phrase it that you can relate to.

This.

Ah yes, Deoxy-ribo-nucleic acids combine with Deoxy-robo-nucleic acids.

In any sense it doesn't matter. The concept is space magic at best. The main problem is that the primary concept of synthesis derides diversity. "Changing DNA" does nothing to eradicate the central problem (as described by the catalyst) unless it alters the cognitive freedom of sapient species. In essence, synthesis brainwashes the entire galaxy not just without consent, but without their knowledge. Final stage of evolution my ass--final stage of facism, maybe.

This, precisely this. Plus my minor outrage at the lack of biological or medical sense it makes.

[NoSpin]

"Interview with Mac Walters (Lead Writer) 3/7/12 Issue 108 of 360Gamer (Hardcopy only, not available online)

When asked about the science of the game being plausible

"From very early on we wanted the science of the universe to be plausible. Obviously it's set in the future so you have to make some leaps of faith but we didn't want it to be just magic in space." "

Combining synthetic and organic life into a new form of life across the universe using a pulse from a giant gun......so totally not space magic.

[Drift Avalii]

That would be one hell of a leap, and one that has so many unanswered questions attached that I simply don't feel I can take it on faith. Eezo? Fine. Reapers? Fine. Husks? Fine. The Lazarus project? Fine.

Space magic? Hell no.

[Big G13]

Drift Avalii wrote...

RxP4IN wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Cyberfrog81 wrote...

The Catalyst pauses before saying "DNA", as if thinking of a way to phrase it that you can relate to.

This.

Ah yes, Deoxy-ribo-nucleic acids combine with Deoxy-robo-nucleic acids.

In any sense it doesn't matter. The concept is space magic at best. The main problem is that the primary concept of synthesis derides diversity. "Changing DNA" does nothing to eradicate the central problem (as described by the catalyst) unless it alters the cognitive freedom of sapient species. In essence, synthesis brainwashes the entire galaxy not just without consent, but without their knowledge. Final stage of evolution my ass--final stage of facism, maybe.

This, precisely this. Plus my minor outrage at the lack of biological or medical sense it makes.

Forced galactic eugenics. Everything we've been fighting against since ME1. If that is BW/EA's idea of a "perfect" ending then I have alot more to be mad at them about than the incoherent ending of ME3.

[DirtyPhoenix]

Big G13 wrote...

Drift Avalii wrote...

RxP4IN wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Cyberfrog81 wrote...

The Catalyst pauses before saying "DNA", as if thinking of a way to phrase it that you can relate to.

This.

Ah yes, Deoxy-ribo-nucleic acids combine with Deoxy-robo-nucleic acids.

In any sense it doesn't matter. The concept is space magic at best. The main problem is that the primary concept of synthesis derides diversity. "Changing DNA" does nothing to eradicate the central problem (as described by the catalyst) unless it alters the cognitive freedom of sapient species. In essence, synthesis brainwashes the entire galaxy not just without consent, but without their knowledge. Final stage of evolution my ass--final stage of facism, maybe.

This, precisely this. Plus my minor outrage at the lack of biological or medical sense it makes.

Forced galactic eugenics. Everything we've been fighting against since ME1. If that is BW/EA's idea of a "perfect" ending then I have alot more to be mad at them about than the incoherent ending of ME3.

Precisely this. If this is their idea of a perfect ending then I'm really worried.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

RxP4IN wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Cyberfrog81 wrote...

The Catalyst pauses before saying "DNA", as if thinking of a way to phrase it that you can relate to.

This.

Ah yes, Deoxy-ribo-nucleic acids combine with Deoxy-robo-nucleic acids.

In any sense it doesn't matter. The concept is space magic at best. The main problem is that the primary concept of synthesis derides diversity. "Changing DNA" does nothing to eradicate the central problem (as described by the catalyst) unless it alters the cognitive freedom of sapient species. In essence, synthesis brainwashes the entire galaxy not just without consent, but without their knowledge. Final stage of evolution my ass--final stage of facism, maybe.

Indeed, makes me think of Javik and his describtion of how the Protheans saw evolution as the galaxies ultimate force. I wonder how they would react to a concept like "Final stage of evolution"? Something tells me they would see it as impossible.

Then we also got that he too mentions that Indoctrionated sleeper agents avoided indoctrination futher cementing the VI is not a perfect Indoctrination scanner.

And then during the final push on Earth he gives you the Memory Shard similarly to how Eve gives you the Crystal. In fact that crystal always buggered me. Eve´s quote about how it will remind us there is light in even the darkest hour leads my thoughts to think it might play into IT if it turns out to be true in EC. Javiks shard could have similar role...at least I think Shepard would snap out of it if his mind was filled with Prothean memories...again...

On that note ill throw my Rachni Idea for a IT ending out here again.

We all know the quote on how the Rachni would play a big role in the ending, but enver got it. Well I have been thinking about the Rachni Queens quote on "We will add our voice to yours" from ME1 and what if we took more literally?

We know the Rachni can interact with the mind of living creatures (the asari in ME2) and the Rachni queen is immune or at leats heavily resistant to indoctrination. So imagine a scenario where a player who spared the Rachni in ME1 and 3 picks Control or Synthesis aka Indoctrination, but the Rachni Queen intervennes linking or interacting with Shepards mind in a way that makes him able to resist or break free so that a "good" ending can be achieved despite the choice made. The cost of such a end could be the Rachni Queens death as she needs to get close enough to Shepard to interact with his mind.

Purely an idea, but would full fill the "Rachni have a major role in the ending" promise. Maybe the crystal and Javiks memory shard could work in similar ways,  but to varius degrees of effectiveness.

Like:

Eve Crystal: Able to break free if you choose the least "Indoctrinating" of Control/Synthesis and only long enough to finish the mission. Shepard dies no matter what.

Javik Shard: Break free no matter ending choosen, but only the least "Indoctrinating" ending will allow Shepard to survive through a paragon/renegade check while the other will always have Shepard dying after/during the completion of the mission.

Rachni Queen: Break free and survive. Rachni Queen dies instead.

Hope that made sense and again only idea.

Modifié par Raistlin Majare 1992, 28 avril 2012 - 02:29 .

[MaximizedAction]

Drift Avalii wrote...

That would be one hell of a leap, and one that has so many unanswered questions attached that I simply don't feel I can take it on faith. Eezo? Fine. Reapers? Fine. Husks? Fine. The Lazarus project? Fine.

Space magic? Hell no.

@Lazarus project: It does have a space-magic vibe to it. But Bioware did something to make it seem less magical:
The make Shepard question his own existence, as he does it on the Cerberus base while watching the video-logs.

Also, Ashley is seen being unsure about Shepard's intentions and whether or not he's secretly like those Cerberus troops. Neither is Shep herself

All that doesn't make Lazarus project more possible then the resurection of Jesus, but it links it better to the real world, where real/alive individuals tend to not just believe and case closed, but here and then question the world around them, aka. are aware of it.

This did not happen with the Catalyst. IMO this is also why the ending seems like space magic, when comparing it to events like Lazarus.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 28 avril 2012 - 02:09 .

[Vahilor]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

RxP4IN wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Cyberfrog81 wrote...

The Catalyst pauses before saying "DNA", as if thinking of a way to phrase it that you can relate to.

This.

Ah yes, Deoxy-ribo-nucleic acids combine with Deoxy-robo-nucleic acids.

In any sense it doesn't matter. The concept is space magic at best. The main problem is that the primary concept of synthesis derides diversity. "Changing DNA" does nothing to eradicate the central problem (as described by the catalyst) unless it alters the cognitive freedom of sapient species. In essence, synthesis brainwashes the entire galaxy not just without consent, but without their knowledge. Final stage of evolution my ass--final stage of facism, maybe.

Indeed, makes me think of Javik and his describtion of how the Protheans saw evolution as the galaxies ultimate force. I wonder how they would react to a concept like "Final stage of evolution"? Something tells me they would see it as impossible.

Remembers me of an austrian person that wanted to "make" a superior race as well...

[MaximizedAction]

Vahilor wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

RxP4IN wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Cyberfrog81 wrote...

The Catalyst pauses before saying "DNA", as if thinking of a way to phrase it that you can relate to.

This.

Ah yes, Deoxy-ribo-nucleic acids combine with Deoxy-robo-nucleic acids.

In any sense it doesn't matter. The concept is space magic at best. The main problem is that the primary concept of synthesis derides diversity. "Changing DNA" does nothing to eradicate the central problem (as described by the catalyst) unless it alters the cognitive freedom of sapient species. In essence, synthesis brainwashes the entire galaxy not just without consent, but without their knowledge. Final stage of evolution my ass--final stage of facism, maybe.

Indeed, makes me think of Javik and his describtion of how the Protheans saw evolution as the galaxies ultimate force. I wonder how they would react to a concept like "Final stage of evolution"? Something tells me they would see it as impossible.

Remembers me of an austrian person that wanted to "make" a superior race as well...

True.

When I compared the Synthesis ending to the wet dreams of a Stalin, Honecker, etc. on another thread I was torn apart by some users...
Because homogeneity is like totally different from communism, hurdurr.

[MegumiAzusa]

MaximizedAction wrote...

Drift Avalii wrote...

That would be one hell of a leap, and one that has so many unanswered questions attached that I simply don't feel I can take it on faith. Eezo? Fine. Reapers? Fine. Husks? Fine. The Lazarus project? Fine.

Space magic? Hell no.

@Lazarus project: It does have a space-magic vibe to it. But Bioware did something to make it seem less magical:
The make Shepard question his own existence, as he does it on the Cerberus base while watching the video-logs.

Also, Ashley is seen being unsure about Shepard's intentions and whether or not he's secretly like those Cerberus troops. Neither is Shep herself

All that doesn't make Lazarus project more possible then the resurection of Jesus, but it links it better to the real world, where real/alive individuals tend to not just believe and case closed, but here and then question the world around them, aka. are aware of it.

This did not happen with the Catalyst. IMO this is also why the ending seems like space magic, when comparing it to events like Lazarus.

Even the whole base of the series, the mass effect, is space magic in itself.

[Earthborn_Shepard]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Drift Avalii wrote...

That would be one hell of a leap, and one that has so many unanswered questions attached that I simply don't feel I can take it on faith. Eezo? Fine. Reapers? Fine. Husks? Fine. The Lazarus project? Fine.

Space magic? Hell no.

@Lazarus project: It does have a space-magic vibe to it. But Bioware did something to make it seem less magical:
The make Shepard question his own existence, as he does it on the Cerberus base while watching the video-logs.

Also, Ashley is seen being unsure about Shepard's intentions and whether or not he's secretly like those Cerberus troops. Neither is Shep herself

All that doesn't make Lazarus project more possible then the resurection of Jesus, but it links it better to the real world, where real/alive individuals tend to not just believe and case closed, but here and then question the world around them, aka. are aware of it.

This did not happen with the Catalyst. IMO this is also why the ending seems like space magic, when comparing it to events like Lazarus.

Even the whole base of the series, the mass effect, is space magic in itself.

There's a difference between Science Fiction and Space Magic.

[marcelo_sdk]

Guys, i went to the final battle with 100% of readiness, +5000 assets, and even so i didn't get the Shpard alive scene with the destroy ending. What did i miss?

[RxP4IN]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Even the whole base of the series, the mass effect, is space magic in itself.

The difference being that Element Zero was introduced at the beginning of the series as a core concept of the universe. It was part of the initial contract for suspension of disbelief. A contract that is true of any fictional work, including those grounded completely in reality (such as a WWIII novel).

Eezo, a massless element created by supernovas, that releases dark energy and can alter the mass of objects by manipulating it through electric currents. Positive currents increasing mass and negative currents decreasing mass. Biotic individuals have eezo nodules embeded in their nervous system, whether natural (asari) or mutation (human).

Not hard-science by any stretch of the imagination, but this is the type of explanation we expect when subscribing to science-fiction, not "herp, a new DNA--cuz i clearly don't know what that implies."

[MaximizedAction]

marcelo_sdk wrote...

Guys, i went to the final battle with 100% of readiness, +5000 assets, and even so i didn't get the Shpard alive scene with the destroy ending. What did i miss?

destroyed the Collector base?
Saved Anderson from getting shot by TIM?

[Golferguy758]

Mass Effect has always been about a small amount of suspension of disbelief, but the amount that is required to believe that it would be possible to rewrite the DNA of the galaxy is far too much. How about systems whose relays haven't been activated? Do they not get to join in forced evolution too?

Everything in Mass Effect CAN be explained in one way or the other without going to "space magic". Can hear explosions in space? Auditory emulators. Can use biotic superpowers? Exposure to Eezo in the womb + requires electricity and technological implants.

If Bioware makes Synthesis a legitimate choice I'd be rather...annoyed. It'd be the equivalent of Frodo dropping the One Ring in Mount Doom and instead of killing Sauron every person, orc, elf, and dwarf would get turned into half hobbit in a way to solve all their issues with each other.

[marcelo_sdk]

Yes and Yes

I think so, at least. I shot Anderson, but i killed the TIM when he was going to do this.