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[estebanus]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

estebanus wrote...


Yes, upgrades are possible, however they would be artificial, not organic. That means that we create some kind of horrid and artificial evolution, where we wouldn't let nature run its own course!
Honestly, I couldn't imagine a worse kind of hell for organic life than that!

From the Synthesis point of view there is no organic/synthetic life as such anymore. You don't need to make the distinction between them since they merged : there is now a new form of "orgathetic" or "synthorganic" life (God even the names don't make any sense. The synthetic parts could and should be artificially enhanced while the organic part could also naturally evolve on their own or collaborate... Think of it as sort of symbiosis...

 I've just now read my comment again and advice you strongly to not give it too much credit...

That is my point: evolution is gone. That which has made us what we are, has ceased to exist. Nothing new will be added on, because it is gone. Nature is gone. Nothing that has made the galaxy beautiful, exists anymore.

Now, we're all just artificial, and unnatural.
We are an abomination in the eyes of nature and evolution.

You know the ones who get most screwed are probably the Vorcha. Able to adapt to a hostile enviremont once in life? Nope now you are all the same. I mean we litterally have a race with reactionary fast evolution as their main trait (kind of) who gets completely screwed over. Before they evolved as individuals at least, with Syntheis they dont at all.

Yup, synthesis is terrible, and there really is nothing good about it. Also, have you ever heard when Javik talks about the Zha'til? He say that they had tried merging themselves together with synthetic life, and in the end, the synthetic parts overthrew the organic parts, and they ended up becoming mindless drones who eventually started a war against the prothean empire.
Dosn't that point pretty much prove that synthesis is not a good idea?

Bioware must be really sick if they think that synthesis is good.

[Rifneno]

estebanus wrote...

One should also remember that the reapers don't necessarily know where each planet is. In all previous cycles, the reapers always came through the citadel relay. The citadel would have records of all colony worlds and worlds inhabited by sapient life. In this cycle, the reapers did not get that advantage.

So maybe Parnack hasn't been hit because the reapers don't know where it is, or that it even exists?

Maybe. But the Collectors (read: Harbinger holding a puppet with a 3,000 light year long arm) had dealings with the Shadow Broker. I'm sure the Reapers at least know that the yagh exist even if not where they're from.

I've always figured the relays have some kind of record keeping. A log that the Reapers can check to see which systems are active. I guess I always took that idea for granted because it's so simple that why wouldn't it be true. ... Anyway, I think they really missed a good opportunity to give us reaperized versions of aliens we've never heard of because they haven't been discovered. Sorry if I keep harping on this tidbit, but again, less than 1% of the galaxy is known/mapped/whatever. One percent! There's got to be tons of alien species out there that we don't know about. It's a shame we only got Reaperized versions of a few known races. Especially since banshees, and to a lesser extent brutes, are ridiculous. Banshees are 20 times tougher than they should be for the sole reason that they needed them to be a top tier difficulty. Brutes make no sense because they went to all that trouble to get a dexto and levo DNA species to Reaperize into one unit so they had "the keen military mind of a turian with a durability and blood rage of a krogan". And what do they do? All the time, and I mean all the time? Charge. Where's the keen military mind come into play? Brutes are far and away the most retarded enemy in the game. Can you walk around cover? Can you dodge at all? Congratulations, a brute is no threat whatsoever to you.

<sigh> Such wasted opportunity. They could've made up any crap they wanted and said it's because the Reapers made them from an alien race that has those properties. Instead we get everything we already know, often in a form that makes no sense.

[estebanus]

MaximizedAction wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

estebanus wrote...


Yes, upgrades are possible, however they would be artificial, not organic. That means that we create some kind of horrid and artificial evolution, where we wouldn't let nature run its own course!
Honestly, I couldn't imagine a worse kind of hell for organic life than that!

From the Synthesis point of view there is no organic/synthetic life as such anymore. You don't need to make the distinction between them since they merged : there is now a new form of "orgathetic" or "synthorganic" life (God even the names don't make any sense. The synthetic parts could and should be artificially enhanced while the organic part could also naturally evolve on their own or collaborate... Think of it as sort of symbiosis...

 I've just now read my comment again and advice you strongly to not give it too much credit...

That is my point: evolution is gone. That which has made us what we are, has ceased to exist. Nothing new will be added on, because it is gone. Nature is gone. Nothing that has made the galaxy beautiful, exists anymore.

Now, we're all just artificial, and unnatural.
We are an abomination in the eyes of nature and evolution.

One does not simply stop evolution! Even if Synthesis somehow combined the current organic and synthetic lifeforms - so what, bedbugs are now transistors? - there will still be some form of bacteria from outside the Milky Way (MW) that could enter by comets, extrasolar planets, etc. I assume this green beam spreads by means of relays, so that nothing gets outside the MW.

So if someone like Bioware claims that all life in the universe is now altered and done...you know, as a physicist I can accept something like FTL travel as a plot device -  one can theoretically come up with some wild explaination - but stopping evolution? That's BS.
One does not simply stop evolution! Nature does not work that way!

I know, which is why synthesis is utterly retarded!

Also, raching the apex of something means that nothing can be added to it, so the only thing that can happen is that all goes downhill!

[Rifneno]

MaximizedAction wrote...

One does not simply stop evolution! Even if Synthesis somehow combined the current organic and synthetic lifeforms - so what, bedbugs are now transistors? - there will still be some form of bacteria from outside the Milky Way (MW) that could enter by comets, extrasolar planets, etc. I assume this green beam spreads by means of relays, so that nothing gets outside the MW.

So if someone like Bioware claims that all life in the universe is now altered and done...you know, as a physicist I can accept something like FTL travel as a plot device -  one can theoretically come up with some wild explaination - but stopping evolution? That's BS.
One does not simply stop evolution! Nature does not work that way!

I agree completely.  I agree so completely that when humans develop cloning technology, I'm going to make 19 more of myself so I can agree with you 2000%.  That's how right you are.

Synthesis reminds me of this quote from Shepard, "Conrad, I haven't been shot in the head nearly enough times to make that sound like a good idea."

[Rosewind]

But isn't evolution fueled by necessity?

[DJBare]

MaximizedAction wrote...
One does not simply stop evolution!

How right you are, and given that synthesis is the "pinnacle" of evolution, there is only one direction for it to go, I'll give you a clue, it's not up.

[HellishFiend]

Rifneno wrote...


Isn't killing batarians kind of its own reward?

> 

[Rifneno]

DJBare wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...
One does not simply stop evolution!

How right you are, and given that synthesis is the "pinnacle" of evolution, there is only one direction for it to go, I'll give you a clue, it's not up.

Synthesis evolution:  Going down like Kelly Chambers.

...  I'm so sorry, I just had to.  I can't control myself sometimes.

[HellishFiend]

Rifneno wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

UrgedDuke wrote...

Like many have said before, the process of indoctrination and actually being indoctrinated is two different things.

Like dying is not the same as being dead.. is that a good analogy?[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/uncertain.png[/smilie]

Actually that is a good analogy.

Stupid government paperwork, still no "mostly dead" box.

What about "freshly dead"?  

..cookie if you get the reference. 

[Uncle Jo]

Rifneno wrote...

I've kind of wondered why the batarians were hit first. It seemed to me that they hit the species in order of greatest to least threat. The race that destroyed Sovereign and was mostly responsible for destroying the Collectors, humans, was hit second. Turians, the most powerful military in the galaxy, was hit a close second. The krogan were next because despite being demilitarized, they're krogan. Asari were late in the game because they're dancers lovers, not fighters, and don't have the military power of the humans, turians, or krogan. Elcor, Hanar, and Volus homeworlds were also hit at unknown times late in the game.

It seemed like their attack plans were based around the danger posed by each individual race with two exceptions. The batarians being hit first, and the salarians not being hit at all. Strange.

That reply also makes my reply to MaximizedAction easier... I've never been convinced that the Reapers were sparing the yagh. Perhaps they just hadn't hit them yet. We can't really be sure because we don't know what the Reapers' criteria for harvesting really is.

IMO it depends on from where the Reapers were coming. Since a "Blitzkrieg" was out of question (Sovereign's failure) they've had to take the shortest way, and the butarian Relay was the closest one to strike one of the most powerful races. If you look at the galaxy map you'll notice that their first big attack is coming from the "south-south-east of the Galaxy" and if we follow their invasion path, well it's quite logical that they hit first the Butarian, the Humans, before attacking the Turian, thus opening a path to the Krogan DMZ and closing to the Citadel. The Asari World is further north-west to the Citadel which could explain why they got invaded pretty late.

The next question would be why letting the Salarian unhit risking a counter-attack on their back. Well because as well as the Asari are "dancers lovers" (LMAO ), the Salarian sucks at normal warfare and are more specialized in dirty wars (spec ops, guerilla, hit-and-run tactics, and so on). So they weren't an immediate threat and would only have cost time and troops...


I think the fact that the Reapers harvest only the most advanced races doesn't endanger the IT. I thought it was common knowledge (if it wasn't the case they'd have harvested us too). The starbrat is presenting facts all of us know, the problem is how he combines them and comes up with his uncoherent, circular logic...

Modifié par Uncle Jo, 28 avril 2012 - 07:30 .

[HellishFiend]

Uncle Jo wrote...

 HellishFiend wrote...

Yeah obviously you wouldnt want the indoctrination process to be trivialized, so either it would have to be difficult to meet the prerequisites and/or there would have to be some consequences for having to fall back on it.

One more time, my point, just as always, better worded and explained. In a few days I'll start to work on my master thesis in architecture (in german and french though). I know who I should ask, if I want some corrections or an english version of it

lol, glad to help. 

[DirtyPhoenix]

Offtopic but whats the track which plays when femshep romances traynor?

[MaximizedAction]

pirate1802 wrote...

Offtopic but whats the track which plays when femshep romances traynor?

During the shower? The last part of "I was lost without you".

[Rosewind]

HellishFiend wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

UrgedDuke wrote...

Like many have said before, the process of indoctrination and actually being indoctrinated is two different things.

Like dying is not the same as being dead.. is that a good analogy?[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/uncertain.png[/smilie]

Actually that is a good analogy.

Stupid government paperwork, still no "mostly dead" box.

What about "freshly dead"?  

..cookie if you get the reference. 

Young Frankenstein with Gene Wilder

[HellishFiend]

MaximizedAction wrote...

Yesterday I replayed the Tuchanka missions (possibly the highpoint of the trilogy). And during the report to Hackett after the Genophage mission they wonder why the Reapers for example didn't attack the Yahg homeworld.

Shep's idea to this was "Yahg have teeth". What she prob means by this is they'd be a touch opponent. While I don't exactly see her logic, another more important thing crossed my mind:

The Starchild is legit in this case: Reapers only harvest advanced civs.
Now, assuming that he just twists this fact around to his advantage, aka what IT claims, what could be the REAL reason for not attacking the Yahg?

Is it self preservation?
- Maybe the Reapers don't want the Yahg'-souls'(?) among themselves, because it somehow harms them to not have advanced civilizations.
- Or in order to have something to harvest in a near future, they have to keep some (non bacterial) lifeforms alive.

Is this an argument against IT?

I dont think so. Regardless of anything the starchild says, it has already been established that the Reapers allow non-advanced civilizations to persist through to the next cycle. The fact that he mentions it cant be used against or in defense of any end-game theories. 

[Baldsake]

MaximizedAction wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

Offtopic but whats the track which plays when femshep romances traynor?

During the shower? The last part of "I was lost without you".

lol didn't she take a shower with her underwear on? what a joke.

Modifié par Baldsake, 28 avril 2012 - 07:24 .

[DirtyPhoenix]

MaximizedAction wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

Offtopic but whats the track which plays when femshep romances traynor?

During the shower? The last part of "I was lost without you".

Thanks

[byne]

Baldsake wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

Offtopic but whats the track which plays when femshep romances traynor?

During the shower? The last part of "I was lost without you".

lol didn't she shower with her underwear on? what a joke.

FemShep also gets in the shower wearing her casual outfit.

The N7 hoodie in my case.

[MaximizedAction]

HellishFiend wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Yesterday I replayed the Tuchanka missions (possibly the highpoint of the trilogy). And during the report to Hackett after the Genophage mission they wonder why the Reapers for example didn't attack the Yahg homeworld.

Shep's idea to this was "Yahg have teeth". What she prob means by this is they'd be a touch opponent. While I don't exactly see her logic, another more important thing crossed my mind:

The Starchild is legit in this case: Reapers only harvest advanced civs.
Now, assuming that he just twists this fact around to his advantage, aka what IT claims, what could be the REAL reason for not attacking the Yahg?

Is it self preservation?
- Maybe the Reapers don't want the Yahg'-souls'(?) among themselves, because it somehow harms them to not have advanced civilizations.
- Or in order to have something to harvest in a near future, they have to keep some (non bacterial) lifeforms alive.

Is this an argument against IT?

I dont think so. Regardless of anything the starchild says, it has already been established that the Reapers allow non-advanced civilizations to persist through to the next cycle. The fact that he mentions it cant be used against or in defense of any end-game theories. 

Oh, I must've missed that...where's the first time this is establised? Thx!

[Rosewind]

Baldsake wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

Offtopic but whats the track which plays when femshep romances traynor?

During the shower? The last part of "I was lost without you".

lol didn't she take a shower with her underwear on? what a joke.

Because Alien nudity isn't real apparently lol

[Baldsake]

Rosewind wrote...

Baldsake wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

Offtopic but whats the track which plays when femshep romances traynor?

During the shower? The last part of "I was lost without you".

lol didn't she take a shower with her underwear on? what a joke.

Because Alien nudity isn't real apparently lol

Traynor is an alien?

[estebanus]

completely off-topic, but i absolutely love Mordin!

I hust heard him singing the song "the krogan queen" to Eve! Damn, that was hilarious!

[estebanus]

Baldsake wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

Offtopic but whats the track which plays when femshep romances traynor?

During the shower? The last part of "I was lost without you".

lol didn't she take a shower with her underwear on? what a joke.

Tell me... how much do you know about the military?

[Rosewind]

Baldsake wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Baldsake wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

Offtopic but whats the track which plays when femshep romances traynor?

During the shower? The last part of "I was lost without you".

lol didn't she take a shower with her underwear on? what a joke.

Because Alien nudity isn't real apparently lol

Traynor is an alien?

No I meant Liara is the only one that gets nude, meaning all humans are conveniently wearing underwear.

[Baldsake]

byne wrote...

Baldsake wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

Offtopic but whats the track which plays when femshep romances traynor?

During the shower? The last part of "I was lost without you".

lol didn't she shower with her underwear on? what a joke.

FemShep also gets in the shower wearing her casual outfit.

The N7 hoodie in my case.

Well atleast that could be a bug, however making custom textures for underwear for the sex and shower scenes is just retarded and ruins the scenes.. Could've easily been done with creative camera angles.