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Rosewind wrote...

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pirate1802 wrote...

Offtopic but whats the track which plays when femshep romances traynor?


During the shower? The last part of "I was lost without you".

lol didn't she take a shower with her underwear on? what a joke.


Because Alien nudity isn't real apparently lol

Traynor is an alien?


No I meant Liara is the only one that gets nude, meaning all humans are conveniently wearing underwear.

Oh.. I didn't even know Liara gets nude.. The more you know.

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Yesterday I replayed the Tuchanka missions (possibly the highpoint of the trilogy). And during the report to Hackett after the Genophage mission they wonder why the Reapers for example didn't attack the Yahg homeworld.

Shep's idea to this was "Yahg have teeth". What she prob means by this is they'd be a touch opponent. While I don't exactly see her logic, another more important thing crossed my mind:

The Starchild is legit in this case: Reapers only harvest advanced civs.
Now, assuming that he just twists this fact around to his advantage, aka what IT claims, what could be the REAL reason for not attacking the Yahg?

Is it self preservation?
- Maybe the Reapers don't want the Yahg'-souls'(?) among themselves, because it somehow harms them to not have advanced civilizations.
- Or in order to have something to harvest in a near future, they have to keep some (non bacterial) lifeforms alive.

Is this an argument against IT?


I dont think so. Regardless of anything the starchild says, it has already been established that the Reapers allow non-advanced civilizations to persist through to the next cycle. The fact that he mentions it cant be used against or in defense of any end-game theories. 


Oh, I must've missed that...where's the first time this is establised? Thx!


It comes up a lot during various conversations with Javik, but it is also strongly implied as a given historical precedent. The only way the cycles can continue the way they do is if "young" species are allowed to continue through to the next cycle. If all species at or near sentience were wiped out each cycle, it would take a lot longer than 50k years for the next cycle to mature. 

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Stupid government paperwork, still no "mostly dead" box.


What about "freshly dead"?  

..cookie if you get the reference. :)


Young Frankenstein with Gene Wilder


You win a cookie! :P

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HellishFiend wrote...

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Stupid government paperwork, still no "mostly dead" box.


What about "freshly dead"?  

..cookie if you get the reference. :)


Young Frankenstein with Gene Wilder


You win a cookie! :P


YAY My 3 years of studying to be an "information broker" aka librarian pays off in one fell google swoop, lol do love that movie though love Gene Wilder.

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By the way, since this seems to be the general sentiment in this topic today, I figured you guys might enjoy a quick meme on it:
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HellishFiend wrote...

By the way, since this seems to be the general sentiment in this topic today, I figured you guys might enjoy a quick meme on it:
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If only we could have done that!

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Rosewind wrote...


YAY My 3 years of studying to be an "information broker" aka librarian pays off in one fell google swoop, lol do love that movie though love Gene Wilder.


Being a librarian combined with getting my Katawa Shoujo reference a few days ago, and now I'm picturing you as Yuuko.

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byne wrote...

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YAY My 3 years of studying to be an "information broker" aka librarian pays off in one fell google swoop, lol do love that movie though love Gene Wilder.


Being a librarian combined with getting my Katawa Shoujo reference a few days ago, and now I'm picturing you as Yuuko.


I assume Yuuko Ichihara from xxxHolic? If so she is awesome <3

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Rosewind wrote...

byne wrote...

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YAY My 3 years of studying to be an "information broker" aka librarian pays off in one fell google swoop, lol do love that movie though love Gene Wilder.


Being a librarian combined with getting my Katawa Shoujo reference a few days ago, and now I'm picturing you as Yuuko.


I assume Yuuko Ichihara from xxxHolic? If so she is awesome <3


No, Yuuko the librarian from  Katawa Shoujo, although you can be whichever Yuuko you want to be. :D

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estebanus wrote...

Baldsake wrote...

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Offtopic but whats the track which plays when femshep romances traynor?


During the shower? The last part of "I was lost without you".

lol didn't she take a shower with her underwear on? what a joke.



Tell me... how much do you know about the military?


We've been over this. That rule doesn't apply to private showers like the one in Shepard's cabin. Besides which, as I recall it was about preventing the spread of fungus and the like from those parts rather than privacy. Despite what any priest tells you, human female breasts are clean.

That entire scene was stupider than the Ace Ventura movies. BW, if you don't want to include nudity that's fine. Just keep the camera off their fun parts. But ffs, don't show people half-dressed in the shower. It kills the scene. I thought they went on a big thing about trying to keep immersion breaking stuff out of the game. How did this make it past?!

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byne wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

byne wrote...

Rosewind wrote...


YAY My 3 years of studying to be an "information broker" aka librarian pays off in one fell google swoop, lol do love that movie though love Gene Wilder.


Being a librarian combined with getting my Katawa Shoujo reference a few days ago, and now I'm picturing you as Yuuko.


I assume Yuuko Ichihara from xxxHolic? If so she is awesome <3


No, Yuuko the librarian from  Katawa Shoujo, although you can be whichever Yuuko you want to be. :D


:P I Prefer the sorceress from xxxHolic thank you :P

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I can't quite remember what you guys said, but have your squad mates followed you to the beam ?
I remember someone saying that if you are looking back, they will just stand there and not move at all.
I am finishing my Insanity run and was stopping on the run to the beam to get a look on Harbinger.
Anyways, I haven't seen them before but right now, they are standing next to me.
Well I'm curious whether they are coming out of the Normandy.

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SirLugash wrote...

I can't quite remember what you guys said, but have your squad mates followed you to the beam ?
I remember someone saying that if you are looking back, they will just stand there and not move at all.
I am finishing my Insanity run and was stopping on the run to the beam to get a look on Harbinger.
Anyways, I haven't seen them before but right now, they are standing next to me.
Well I'm curious whether they are coming out of the Normandy.

Wait long enough and they follow, but it doesn't change the end sequence.

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 28 avril 2012 - 08:18 .


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It cannot be indoctrination because the Proethean VIs detect indoctrination and they say nothing about you the entire game/series.

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*Gets popcorn*

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kronus126 wrote...

It cannot be indoctrination because the Proethean VIs detect indoctrination and they say nothing about you the entire game/series.


At this point I'm starting to wonder if people who come in and say this are just screwing with us.

Like, is there a thread somehwere saying "Go into the IT thread and say the Prothean VIs disprove IT! That really gets on their nerves!"?

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kronus126 wrote...

It cannot be indoctrination because the Proethean VIs detect indoctrination and they say nothing about you the entire game/series.


I doubt you're even sticking around to hear why the game itself says that the VI's are faulty and can only detect full on indoctrination with implants and junk.

Again, sleeper agents, prothean beacon, Shepard isn't indoctrinated yet.

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kronus126 wrote...

It cannot be indoctrination because the Proethean VIs detect indoctrination and they say nothing about you the entire game/series.


Dont worry, Ill take this one.

Javik and the very same VI mention that the Protheans were attacked from the inside by Indoctrinated sleeper agents. In fact for an extended period of tim a group of Protheans were arguing for controlling the Reapers, but they turned out to all be Indoctrinated (sounds familiar?) Also Javiks own squad turned upon him after beeing indoctrinated.

Funny how many Indoctrinated sleeper agents you can have running around with VI´s with "flawless" Indoctrination detection, right?

Oh well short story short the VI Indoctrination detection is through these many instances of Indoctrinated undetected sleeper agents quite questionable and probably only extends to the most severe cases of indoctrination.

Also there is a difference between beeing in the process of becoming indoctrinated and actually beeing indoctrinated, the primary difference is that a fully Indoctrinated person is probably not gonna be shooting at the Reapers.

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Aww ****, here we go again.

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byne wrote...

kronus126 wrote...

It cannot be indoctrination because the Proethean VIs detect indoctrination and they say nothing about you the entire game/series.


At this point I'm starting to wonder if people who come in and say this are just screwing with us.

Like, is there a thread somehwere saying "Go into the IT thread and say the Prothean VIs disprove IT! That really gets on their nerves!"?

That has to be it ^^

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kronus126 wrote...

It cannot be indoctrination because the Proethean VIs detect indoctrination and they say nothing about you the entire game/series.


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marcelo_sdk wrote...

Yes and Yes

I think so, at least. I shot Anderson, but i killed the TIM when he was going to do this.


Did you achive 5000 EMS BEFORE  Chronus Station? After Chronus Station, whatever is your current EMS is locked in.


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This really annoying me... Agree with "become a reaper" (though it would have been better to write be controlled by Reapers, since the IT states that it is not possible to control them and that's a trap... Or am I wrong ?)
But like BIG G13 and some others pointed that out this "Harmony Man/machine" is really bugging...

Not that I buy the synthesis is best ending (It sounds to me more like "Reapers want you ! Join the Harby's Army / Party !" ), but this plus the trolling tweets from Jessica and Gamble (yeah, yeah I know : not reliable source/ maybe talking their own opinion out)... Could it be that BioWare is preparing us, with homeopathical dose rates, to accept the fact that the ending must be taken at face-value ?  Hope I'm wrong though...


I don't want to believe it but something inside me agrees..


I am getting sick of this, this "Harmoy of Man and Machine" crap means nothing. Harmony simply means two things living coexistence, NOTHING MORE. Last I checked, what else was a Harmony of Man and Machine? OH RIGHT A ****ING REAPER.

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HellishFiend wrote...

kronus126 wrote...

It cannot be indoctrination because the Proethean VIs detect indoctrination and they say nothing about you the entire game/series.


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:D

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HellishFiend wrote...

kronus126 wrote...

It cannot be indoctrination because the Proethean VIs detect indoctrination and they say nothing about you the entire game/series.


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I think ill save this to a button for quick replies to those bringing up that damn VI.

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kronus126 wrote...

It cannot be indoctrination because the Proethean VIs detect indoctrination and they say nothing about you the entire game/series.


Good job on sticking it out.  Stick it to The Man!.