Was the ending a hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory
#46401
Posté 28 avril 2012 - 08:44
#46402
Posté 28 avril 2012 - 08:46
Also, from tomorrow on I'll be gone for almost a week.
#46403
Posté 28 avril 2012 - 08:46
Rifneno wrote...
kronus126 wrote...
It cannot be indoctrination because the Proethean VIs detect indoctrination and they say nothing about you the entire game/series.
Good job on sticking it out. Stick it to The Man!.
The idiot mispelled sincerely.
#46404
Posté 28 avril 2012 - 08:47
Rifneno wrote...
kronus126 wrote...
It cannot be indoctrination because the Proethean VIs detect indoctrination and they say nothing about you the entire game/series.
Good job on sticking it out. Stick it to The Man!.
Tsk tsk tsk...
kronus126.
#46405
Posté 28 avril 2012 - 08:49
Earthborn_Shepard wrote...
Any news since the morning?
Also, from tomorrow on I'll be gone for almost a week.I hope when I come back the forums have exploded because Bioware finally confirmed IDT.
Aww nooo!
#46406
Posté 28 avril 2012 - 08:49
Heck I hate quoting images, but this is an emergency.HellishFiend wrote...
kronus126 wrote...
It cannot be indoctrination because the Proethean VIs detect indoctrination and they say nothing about you the entire game/series.
#46407
Posté 28 avril 2012 - 08:55
#46408
Posté 28 avril 2012 - 08:57
Just this:Earthborn_Shepard wrote...
Any news since the morning?
Also, from tomorrow on I'll be gone for almost a week.I hope when I come back the forums have exploded because Bioware finally confirmed IDT.

confirming enums for the ending:
EGO_BecomeAReaperAndEarthDestroyedAndReapersLeave (blue)
EGO_BecomeAReaperAndEarthOkAndReapersLeave (blue)
EGO_Demo
EGO_HarmonyOfManAndMachine (green)
EGO_MAX
EGO_None
EGO_ReapersDestroyedEarthDestroyed (red)
EGO_ReapersDestroyedEarthDevastated (red)
EGO_ReapersDestroyedEarthOk (red)
EGO_ReapersDestroyedEarthOkShepardAlive (red)
and 4 enums for the endgame save:
EGS_LivedToFightAgain
EGS_MAX
EGS_NotFinished
EGS_OutInABlazeOfGlory
#46409
Posté 28 avril 2012 - 08:59
#46410
Posté 28 avril 2012 - 09:01
MegumiAzusa wrote...
Just this:Earthborn_Shepard wrote...
Any news since the morning?
Also, from tomorrow on I'll be gone for almost a week.I hope when I come back the forums have exploded because Bioware finally confirmed IDT.
confirming enums for the ending:
EGO_BecomeAReaperAndEarthDestroyedAndReapersLeave (blue)
EGO_BecomeAReaperAndEarthOkAndReapersLeave (blue)
EGO_Demo
EGO_HarmonyOfManAndMachine (green)
EGO_MAX
EGO_None
EGO_ReapersDestroyedEarthDestroyed (red)
EGO_ReapersDestroyedEarthDevastated (red)
EGO_ReapersDestroyedEarthOk (red)
EGO_ReapersDestroyedEarthOkShepardAlive (red)
and 4 enums for the endgame save:
EGS_LivedToFightAgain
EGS_MAX
EGS_NotFinished
EGS_OutInABlazeOfGlory
...not finished? Not finished? NOT FINISHED?????
#46411
Posté 28 avril 2012 - 09:02
marcelo_sdk wrote...
But despite the terrible ending (until now), i think everybody agrees the game was awesome. The soundtrack was incredible, for me the greatest game of teh series and perhaps of ever.
Series yes, ever no, not in my opinion at least. It is high on my list, but I got a few games I consider higher. Legend of Zelda mostly (dont ask me to name my favorite in that series, I really, really cant.)
#46412
Posté 28 avril 2012 - 09:02
#46413
Posté 28 avril 2012 - 09:03
Most presumably for saves when you didn't finish the game yet. (For NG+/ME4)Earthborn_Shepard wrote...
MegumiAzusa wrote...
Just this:Earthborn_Shepard wrote...
Any news since the morning?
Also, from tomorrow on I'll be gone for almost a week.I hope when I come back the forums have exploded because Bioware finally confirmed IDT.
confirming enums for the ending:
EGO_BecomeAReaperAndEarthDestroyedAndReapersLeave (blue)
EGO_BecomeAReaperAndEarthOkAndReapersLeave (blue)
EGO_Demo
EGO_HarmonyOfManAndMachine (green)
EGO_MAX
EGO_None
EGO_ReapersDestroyedEarthDestroyed (red)
EGO_ReapersDestroyedEarthDevastated (red)
EGO_ReapersDestroyedEarthOk (red)
EGO_ReapersDestroyedEarthOkShepardAlive (red)
and 4 enums for the endgame save:
EGS_LivedToFightAgain
EGS_MAX
EGS_NotFinished
EGS_OutInABlazeOfGlory
...not finished? Not finished? NOT FINISHED?????
#46414
Posté 28 avril 2012 - 09:03
astreqwerty wrote...
Guys i know its been talked before but im curious??/how will you feel if IT is confirmed?it would mean we got an incomplete game..not giving an end to the reaper threat at all. And the extended cut will be a bunch of cutscenes nothing more than that therefore it wont be enough as a proper conclusion to the reapers (because if IT is valid and the fight with the reapers is just about to begin a couple of cutscenes wouldnt do it justice)
How I would feel? Like the motherf*cking queen of the world
because I belonged to the people who were "right" all along, and because I wasn't indoctrinated.
#46415
Posté 28 avril 2012 - 09:06
I wouldn't want it neither confirmed nor denied. Rather made so both fit even better (aka in holes fixed that can't be explained good enough with either theory). Would add much to the suspension of the whole thing. Though I guess there is a great many that would dislike that.astreqwerty wrote...
Guys i know its been talked before but im curious??/how will you feel if IT is confirmed?it would mean we got an incomplete game..not giving an end to the reaper threat at all. And the extended cut will be a bunch of cutscenes nothing more than that therefore it wont be enough as a proper conclusion to the reapers (because if IT is valid and the fight with the reapers is just about to begin a couple of cutscenes wouldnt do it justice)
#46416
Posté 28 avril 2012 - 09:07
Well at first i accepted IT too but after some time the fact that IT merely introduces the reaper fight to the game in the games conclusion itself just didnt make sense at all to meEarthborn_Shepard wrote...
astreqwerty wrote...
Guys i know its been talked before but im curious??/how will you feel if IT is confirmed?it would mean we got an incomplete game..not giving an end to the reaper threat at all. And the extended cut will be a bunch of cutscenes nothing more than that therefore it wont be enough as a proper conclusion to the reapers (because if IT is valid and the fight with the reapers is just about to begin a couple of cutscenes wouldnt do it justice)
How I would feel? Like the motherf*cking queen of the world
because I belonged to the people who were "right" all along, and because I wasn't indoctrinated.
#46417
Posté 28 avril 2012 - 09:07
kronus126 wrote...
It cannot be indoctrination because the Proethean VIs detect indoctrination and they say nothing about you the entire game/series.
Oh god, please no...
#46418
Posté 28 avril 2012 - 09:11
Earthborn_Shepard wrote...
astreqwerty wrote...
Guys i know its been talked before but im curious??/how will you feel if IT is confirmed?it would mean we got an incomplete game..not giving an end to the reaper threat at all. And the extended cut will be a bunch of cutscenes nothing more than that therefore it wont be enough as a proper conclusion to the reapers (because if IT is valid and the fight with the reapers is just about to begin a couple of cutscenes wouldnt do it justice)
How I would feel? Like the motherf*cking queen of the world
because I belonged to the people who were "right" all along, and because I wasn't indoctrinated.
I'd also feel great if IT was confirmed, but I wouldn't go shoving it into other peoples' faces, like som others probably will!
I'm not implying that you will, of course!
Modifié par estebanus, 28 avril 2012 - 09:13 .
#46419
Posté 28 avril 2012 - 09:13
#46420
Posté 28 avril 2012 - 09:14
MegumiAzusa wrote...
I wouldn't want it neither confirmed nor denied. Rather made so both fit even better (aka in holes fixed that can't be explained good enough with either theory). Would add much to the suspension of the whole thing. Though I guess there is a great many that would dislike that.astreqwerty wrote...
Guys i know its been talked before but im curious??/how will you feel if IT is confirmed?it would mean we got an incomplete game..not giving an end to the reaper threat at all. And the extended cut will be a bunch of cutscenes nothing more than that therefore it wont be enough as a proper conclusion to the reapers (because if IT is valid and the fight with the reapers is just about to begin a couple of cutscenes wouldnt do it justice)
I would hate that... I would hate it if anything more than tangential or secondary storylines were left completely up to interpretation. The only exception might be the true motivation of the reapers. I could probably be fine with them leaving their true motivations out of the canon as long as they do it gracefully. But something as major as whether or not Shepard is actually indoctrinated and if the reapers were actually defeated? That would ruin the storyline just as much as it stands now, without the EC, in my opinion.
But to the original question, I would be fine if this was their plan all along. I think it was a very gutsy, yet smart decision, BECAUSE the EC will be free. Hell, call me a fanboy or biased if you want, but I consider this waiting period of speculation and wonder to be added value to the gaming experience. It makes the game that much more memorable for me.
In general, diehard fans like us should be satisfied in the end, because the twist and the way it was executed were memorable and powerful. I think once the true ending is in our hands and the story is complete, all (or most) will be forgiven.
For the casual fans who simply picked up the game because it looked like a gears of war clone with force powers, they wont care either way. They may not even download/play the EC, and if the contents of the EC had been included in the core game, they might not have understood or cared anyway since they werent too familiar with the story to begin with.
Anyway, that's just my take on the issue. I'm sure opinions will vary.
#46421
Posté 28 avril 2012 - 09:15
astreqwerty wrote...
Well at first i accepted IT too but after some time the fact that IT merely introduces the reaper fight to the game in the games conclusion itself just didnt make sense at all to meEarthborn_Shepard wrote...
astreqwerty wrote...
Guys i know its been talked before but im curious??/how will you feel if IT is confirmed?it would mean we got an incomplete game..not giving an end to the reaper threat at all. And the extended cut will be a bunch of cutscenes nothing more than that therefore it wont be enough as a proper conclusion to the reapers (because if IT is valid and the fight with the reapers is just about to begin a couple of cutscenes wouldnt do it justice)
How I would feel? Like the motherf*cking queen of the world
because I belonged to the people who were "right" all along, and because I wasn't indoctrinated.
Except IT doesnt change the fact that we still have the Crucible fully assembled and in position to dock with the Citadel. All you gotta do is wake up near the beam, then actually use it and go open the Citadel's arms.
Then the Crucible will do whatever its supposed to do. I always expected it to just be an anti-Reaper EMP or something
#46422
Posté 28 avril 2012 - 09:16
astreqwerty wrote...
Guys i know its been talked before but im curious??/how will you feel if IT is confirmed?it would mean we got an incomplete game..not giving an end to the reaper threat at all. And the extended cut will be a bunch of cutscenes nothing more than that therefore it wont be enough as a proper conclusion to the reapers (because if IT is valid and the fight with the reapers is just about to begin a couple of cutscenes wouldnt do it justice)
BW has never said EC will only be cutscenes. When asked if there's gameplay, they avoid the question. Since it's free, there's no reason to lead people on with false belief of additional gameplay. There is however a reason to deny it since additional gameplay would almost verify IT. After all, it's hard to have additional gameplay in the ending if Shepard is dead, which s/he is in the great majority of endings taken at face value. Perhaps most importantly, the timetable suggests this is not a minor thing. It doesn't take months on end to throw together a few cutscenes.
Whether confirmed or denied, I want absolute certainty on IT. I loathe ambiguous endings, and we were promised straight answers and final conclusions.
#46423
Posté 28 avril 2012 - 09:17
byne wrote...
Except IT doesnt change the fact that we still have the Crucible fully assembled and in position to dock with the Citadel. All you gotta do is wake up near the beam, then actually use it and go open the Citadel's arms.
Then the Crucible will do whatever its supposed to do. I always expected it to just be an anti-Reaper EMP or something
The Crucible is a galactic rickroll device.
#46424
Posté 28 avril 2012 - 09:18
marcelo_sdk wrote...
But despite the terrible ending (until now), i think everybody agrees the game was awesome. The soundtrack was incredible, for me the greatest game of teh series and perhaps of ever.
QFT
Mass Effect 3 has been the most emotionally engaging game ever for me! I was laughing, crying, and it captured the image of war perfectly IMO... Right until the ending.
The ending startled me. I just couldn't believe that the people who had supplied me with an otherwise awesome game could have screwed it all up in only 5 minutes!
That is, until I bumped into this thread, of course!
#46425
Posté 28 avril 2012 - 09:18
byne wrote...
astreqwerty wrote...
Well at first i accepted IT too but after some time the fact that IT merely introduces the reaper fight to the game in the games conclusion itself just didnt make sense at all to meEarthborn_Shepard wrote...
astreqwerty wrote...
Guys i know its been talked before but im curious??/how will you feel if IT is confirmed?it would mean we got an incomplete game..not giving an end to the reaper threat at all. And the extended cut will be a bunch of cutscenes nothing more than that therefore it wont be enough as a proper conclusion to the reapers (because if IT is valid and the fight with the reapers is just about to begin a couple of cutscenes wouldnt do it justice)
How I would feel? Like the motherf*cking queen of the world
because I belonged to the people who were "right" all along, and because I wasn't indoctrinated.
Except IT doesnt change the fact that we still have the Crucible fully assembled and in position to dock with the Citadel. All you gotta do is wake up near the beam, then actually use it and go open the Citadel's arms.
Then the Crucible will do whatever its supposed to do. I always expected it to just be an anti-Reaper EMP or something
We also still cannot rule out the possibility that the Crucible was actually an elaborate Reaper trap. I could type several paragraphs on those possibilities.




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