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[Arian Dynas]

HellishFiend wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

byne wrote...

Except IT doesnt change the fact that we still have the Crucible fully assembled and in position to dock with the Citadel. All you gotta do is wake up near the beam, then actually use it and go open the Citadel's arms.

Then the Crucible will do whatever its supposed to do. I always expected it to just be an anti-Reaper EMP or something

I don't know why, but when I read your comment I suddenly had a "vision" - wouldn't it be awesome if the Crucible suddenly started talking to you? Without the starbrat, but in a mixture of voices by all the civilisations ever killed by the Reapers? There could be a dialogue like the one with Vigil, with the Vigil theme playing in the background, and then finally the Crucible sends its wave of Reaper-destroy-stuff and you see them all break apart with that peaceful music in the background.

I'd like that.

I wouldnt. The crucible suddenly gaining intelligence and speaking would be crossing the line of suspension of disbelief almost as much as space magic does now. Plus, that suggests that Bioware really was lying about there not being a "reaper off button". 

Here's a thought. What if the Crucible is nothing more or less than a library, a tactical library containing the collective strategic genius of millions of species? Every single tactic usable against the Reapers, all in one place, given to you by a hyperintllegent VI?

Or perhaps it activates every mass relay in the galaxy at once, opening them all to the network and bringing every ship using them straight to the Citadel.

I could think of other things but...

[Arian Dynas]

MaximizedAction wrote...

byne wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...


But back to the Crucible: We still don't really know what it does, do we? We supposedly saw what the supposed results of its activation were. But it's still a black box, isn't it? The Starchild didn't really explain it to us.

Simple! The Crucible and Catalyst are deus ex machinas!

Interestingly, deus ex machina literally means 'god out of the machine'

mind = blown

Hehe, it's like they broke the fourth wall...

And the ending is stolen from the first Deus Ex!

[Earthborn_Shepard]

Arian Dynas wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

byne wrote...

Except IT doesnt change the fact that we still have the Crucible fully assembled and in position to dock with the Citadel. All you gotta do is wake up near the beam, then actually use it and go open the Citadel's arms.

Then the Crucible will do whatever its supposed to do. I always expected it to just be an anti-Reaper EMP or something

I don't know why, but when I read your comment I suddenly had a "vision" - wouldn't it be awesome if the Crucible suddenly started talking to you? Without the starbrat, but in a mixture of voices by all the civilisations ever killed by the Reapers? There could be a dialogue like the one with Vigil, with the Vigil theme playing in the background, and then finally the Crucible sends its wave of Reaper-destroy-stuff and you see them all break apart with that peaceful music in the background.

I'd like that.

I wouldnt. The crucible suddenly gaining intelligence and speaking would be crossing the line of suspension of disbelief almost as much as space magic does now. Plus, that suggests that Bioware really was lying about there not being a "reaper off button". 

Here's a thought. What if the Crucible is nothing more or less than a library, a tactical library containing the collective strategic genius of millions of species? Every single tactic usable against the Reapers, all in one place, given to you by a hyperintllegent VI?

Or perhaps it activates every mass relay in the galaxy at once, opening them all to the network and bringing every ship using them straight to the Citadel.

That's pretty much what I meant! You understand me! :happy:

[byne]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Here's a thought. What if the Crucible is nothing more or less than a library, a tactical library containing the collective strategic genius of millions of species? Every single tactic usable against the Reapers, all in one place, given to you by a hyperintllegent VI?

Why would they need to dock with the Citadel for that, though?

Considering in every other cycle the Reapers BEGAN by seizing control of the Citadel, it'd seem by the time you built the Crucible and protected it long enough to dock it with the Citadel, you'd probly know quite a bit about fighting Reapers.

[Arian Dynas]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

byne wrote...

Except IT doesnt change the fact that we still have the Crucible fully assembled and in position to dock with the Citadel. All you gotta do is wake up near the beam, then actually use it and go open the Citadel's arms.

Then the Crucible will do whatever its supposed to do. I always expected it to just be an anti-Reaper EMP or something

I don't know why, but when I read your comment I suddenly had a "vision" - wouldn't it be awesome if the Crucible suddenly started talking to you? Without the starbrat, but in a mixture of voices by all the civilisations ever killed by the Reapers? There could be a dialogue like the one with Vigil, with the Vigil theme playing in the background, and then finally the Crucible sends its wave of Reaper-destroy-stuff and you see them all break apart with that peaceful music in the background.

I'd like that.

I wouldnt. The crucible suddenly gaining intelligence and speaking would be crossing the line of suspension of disbelief almost as much as space magic does now. Plus, that suggests that Bioware really was lying about there not being a "reaper off button". 

Here's a thought. What if the Crucible is nothing more or less than a library, a tactical library containing the collective strategic genius of millions of species? Every single tactic usable against the Reapers, all in one place, given to you by a hyperintllegent VI?

Or perhaps it activates every mass relay in the galaxy at once, opening them all to the network and bringing every ship using them straight to the Citadel.

That's pretty much what I meant! You understand me! :happy:

Always a pleasure Ines.

Anywho, I just got a random message from a... let's see here... 
Xavendithas, whom asks;

Xavendithas asks...
I have asked this a couple of times now in the IT thread and I sent a message to Byne and never received a response.

I have noticed at several points in the game when you get a clear look at Shepard's hands that they look very strange and grayish. Unlike how they look in either of the previous games. I also don't see that anyone elses hands have this strange look of decay on them. 

I'm basically wondering if this is something that has been noticed by anyone else, or if it is more likely just the way his/her character model looks. The more I think of the circumstances of the game in relation to the Indoctrination theory, this weird look to Sheps hands makes me wonder if this isn't one of the signs that he is undergoing the process of Indoctrination. His hands look almost Husk-like.

Sorry for the random message, I was reading one of your earlier posts you linked about the birth of the reapers and I was inspired and it got me thinking of this thing with Sheps hands. It just looks too 'off' to be something wrong with the character model. 

[HellishFiend]

Arian Dynas wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

byne wrote...

Except IT doesnt change the fact that we still have the Crucible fully assembled and in position to dock with the Citadel. All you gotta do is wake up near the beam, then actually use it and go open the Citadel's arms.

Then the Crucible will do whatever its supposed to do. I always expected it to just be an anti-Reaper EMP or something

I don't know why, but when I read your comment I suddenly had a "vision" - wouldn't it be awesome if the Crucible suddenly started talking to you? Without the starbrat, but in a mixture of voices by all the civilisations ever killed by the Reapers? There could be a dialogue like the one with Vigil, with the Vigil theme playing in the background, and then finally the Crucible sends its wave of Reaper-destroy-stuff and you see them all break apart with that peaceful music in the background.

I'd like that.

I wouldnt. The crucible suddenly gaining intelligence and speaking would be crossing the line of suspension of disbelief almost as much as space magic does now. Plus, that suggests that Bioware really was lying about there not being a "reaper off button". 

Here's a thought. What if the Crucible is nothing more or less than a library, a tactical library containing the collective strategic genius of millions of species? Every single tactic usable against the Reapers, all in one place, given to you by a hyperintllegent VI?

Or perhaps it activates every mass relay in the galaxy at once, opening them all to the network and bringing every ship using them straight to the Citadel.

I could think of other things but...

Between those two, the second is far more likely. Though we dont know what the Crucible does, exactly, we DO know it is a dark energy device. Meaning it is either powered by, or does something with, dark energy. Given that both the mass relays and the Citadel also use dark energy, its logical to speculate that it could be directly intended to have some effect on them, or take advantage of them in some way.

I'm still inclined to think that the Crucible isnt even actually the solution to destroying the reapers. I think something else is going to happen. 

[byne]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Xavendithas asks...
I have asked this a couple of times now in the IT thread and I sent a message to Byne and never received a response.

Damn, I need to start reading my messages!



Ugh... too many!

Modifié par byne, 28 avril 2012 - 09:47 .

[MegumiAzusa]

HellishFiend wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...
When it comes down to it, we really dont care about Shepard, we care about our squadmates, friends, and allied races that we have grown attached to.

Wut? I care about my Shep, and Liara, and the kids. oO
But no wonder a Batarian wouldn't care about Shep :3

Funny, but I think you know what I mean. We are supposed to view the world from Shepard's eyes as if they were our own. Do you think about yourself more than you think about others?

To make my point, tell me, what was the first consequence that you mulled over when being given options by the starbrat? For me, it was "Crap, I dont want to kill the Geth", followed by "No way would I ever force sweeping, evolutionary space magic modifications across every living thing in the galaxy without their consent". The fact that Shepard would die was the last thing on my mind. 

What was the first consequence you thought about? What about the second? I'm betting neither of them were your Shepard. 

Sadly for me it was "uh ok... so I pick destroy to destroy you as I wanted from the start" followed by "whhoo frak where did I have to choose?" (jumping into the beam, it was 7am after not sleeping as I wanted to finish the game and was super tired ^^)
The good thing was in my tired state the guardian made perfect sense
I guess it was about the same state of mind Shep would have been, trashed as she was

Also I promised Liara to always come back!

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 28 avril 2012 - 09:47 .

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

You know in regards to the Crucible I put some thoughts into what it could be it does. Most importantly I asked myself why one would need to pair it to the Citadel, what does the Citadel have the Crucible might need or what could the Crucible use the Citadel for.

The first thing that struck me was Mass Relay. The Citadel is giant Mass relay linking to dark space, but has anyone thought about what exactly it links to in dark space? There has to be another mass relay there to act as the second part of the connection and possibly something else might be there?

The Crucible might overide what ever security locks that keep any ships but reapers from using the Citadel relay allowing a force to strike at whatever is in dark space possibly destroying the Reapers through that, though to be honest that sounds a little to much like a Reaper off buton.

No, my other idea is better if I may say so myself.

We know one thing of the crucible at this time and that is that it generates massive amounts of power when activated. Now what if that power is an influx into the Citadel as well as signal that changes the Citadel realy so instead of fucntioning normally it lashes out with mass effect fields, capable of hurling objects, essentially like a giant Biotic space station.

Wreckage of ships would become gigantic projectiles propelled at the Reapers with devasting force and possibly even Reapers themselves if they got to close. This would certainly turn the battle of Earth to our advantage and devastate the majority of the Reaper fleets before they could escape.

But it would not destroy them and the relatively stationary (or at best slowmovng) bulk of the citadel would be hard to use offensively and as such the fleet you had gahthered would still have to push the remianing Reapers away, planet by planet, something you can do because of the heavy losses the Reapers incurred on earth  until they are forced out of the galaxy.

This would remove them as a threat for the time beeing, but not for all eternity.

[Arian Dynas]

byne wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Here's a thought. What if the Crucible is nothing more or less than a library, a tactical library containing the collective strategic genius of millions of species? Every single tactic usable against the Reapers, all in one place, given to you by a hyperintllegent VI?

Why would they need to dock with the Citadel for that, though?

Considering in every other cycle the Reapers BEGAN by seizing control of the Citadel, it'd seem by the time you built the Crucible and protected it long enough to dock it with the Citadel, you'd probly know quite a bit about fighting Reapers.

Well, it'd have to be massive, and the thing DID say it equired the Catalyst (Citadel) to act as a power source.

Who knows maybe it's both, it grabs every available ship and or species using a mass relay, sends out a massive, multilingual(or perhaps merely Prothean Beacon like) call to arms, while simaltaneously uploading tactical data to every available ship, disrupting Reaper Communications and command of ground forces and transmitting tech to boost the technology of every ship in it's area of effect.

But I'm also just talkin out my ass here, so I have no idea what the damn thing does. 

[estebanus]

Is it possible that the crucible unleashes an electromagnetic pulse? It's possible that it could unleash one and subsequently overload the reapers' shields.

A reapers' shield is its strongest defense, and if the entire reaper fleets' shields were taken down, I seriously doubt that they could withstand the combined firepower of the galaxy's fleets!

Just a thought!

[Earthborn_Shepard]

You know, I always thought it was strange how apparently some circle decided to include the Citadel in the Crucible's function. I mean.. how'd they get that idea?

[byne]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Well, it'd have to be massive, and the thing DID say it equired the Catalyst (Citadel) to act as a power source.

Wait, it needs the Citadel as a power source?

Then whats the point of the Reaper heart we stupidly decided to install into the damned thing?!

Reaper Heart War Asset description...

After Commander Shepard destroyed the Collector base, Cerberus spent months picking through irradiated rubble for anything useful. The human proto-Reaper the Collectors were building lay in pieces. But its incomplete core survived. The power cell would have been capable of fueling a full-fledged Reaper. After studying the device, Cerberus modified it to fuel the Illusive Man's base. Alliance engineers believe they can use the core similarly to power the Crucible.

Modifié par byne, 28 avril 2012 - 09:50 .

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

estebanus wrote...

Is it possible that the crucible unleashes an electromagnetic pulse? It's possible that it could unleash one and subsequently overload the reapers' shields.

A reapers' shield is its strongest defense, and if the entire reaper fleets' shields were taken down, I seriously doubt that they could withstand the combined firepower of the galaxy's fleets!

Just a thought!

Possible, but a electromagnetic pulse of that power would probably fry the fleet as well

[HellishFiend]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...
When it comes down to it, we really dont care about Shepard, we care about our squadmates, friends, and allied races that we have grown attached to.

Wut? I care about my Shep, and Liara, and the kids. oO
But no wonder a Batarian wouldn't care about Shep :3

Funny, but I think you know what I mean. We are supposed to view the world from Shepard's eyes as if they were our own. Do you think about yourself more than you think about others?

To make my point, tell me, what was the first consequence that you mulled over when being given options by the starbrat? For me, it was "Crap, I dont want to kill the Geth", followed by "No way would I ever force sweeping, evolutionary space magic modifications across every living thing in the galaxy without their consent". The fact that Shepard would die was the last thing on my mind. 

What was the first consequence you thought about? What about the second? I'm betting neither of them were your Shepard. 

Sadly for me it was "uh ok... so I pick destroy to destroy you as I wanted from the start" followed by "whhoo frak where did I have to choose?" (jumping into the beam, it was 7am after not sleeping as I wanted to finish the game and was super tired ^^)
The good thing was in my tired state the guardian made perfect sense
I guess it was about the same state of mind Shep would have been, trashed as she was

Also I promised Liara to always come back!

Yeah, actually playing the game in a sleep deprived state is quite appropriate, since Shepard is definitely not in full control of their faculties at that point, and you're supposed to be seeing things from his perspective. 

About the starbrat making perfect sense, if you assume everything he says is true, honest and accurate (you cant, but thats another subject), then MOST of what he says makes a minimal sort of sense. Given that our only dialog option during the whole sequence boils down to two different ways of saying (waaaah, but we dont wanna die!), I think Bioware intended for us, the players, to draw our own conclusion about the choices and pick one based on that.

If we had been given extensive dialog trees for that sequence, our Shepard would have essentially been "leading us on", and not giving us the chance to draw our own conclusion without the game's help. 

edit: Also, you saying that you promised Liara that you'd come back is kind of making my original point, which is that you probably care about her more than you care about Shepard. 

Modifié par HellishFiend, 28 avril 2012 - 09:52 .

[Arian Dynas]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

You know in regards to the Crucible I put some thoughts into what it could be it does. Most importantly I asked myself why one would need to pair it to the Citadel, what does the Citadel have the Crucible might need or what could the Crucible use the Citadel for.

The first thing that struck me was Mass Relay. The Citadel is giant Mass relay linking to dark space, but has anyone thought about what exactly it links to in dark space? There has to be another mass relay there to act as the second part of the connection and possibly something else might be there?

The Crucible might overide what ever security locks that keep any ships but reapers from using the Citadel relay allowing a force to strike at whatever is in dark space possibly destroying the Reapers through that, though to be honest that sounds a little to much like a Reaper off buton.

No, my other idea is better if I may say so myself.

We know one thing of the crucible at this time and that is that it generates massive amounts of power when activated. Now what if that power is an influx into the Citadel as well as signal that changes the Citadel realy so instead of fucntioning normally it lashes out with mass effect fields, capable of hurling objects, essentially like a giant Biotic space station.

Wreckage of ships would become gigantic projectiles propelled at the Reapers with devasting force and possibly even Reapers themselves if they got to close. This would certainly turn the battle of Earth to our advantage and devastate the majority of the Reaper fleets before they could escape.

But it would not destroy them and the relatively stationary (or at best slowmovng) bulk of the citadel would be hard to use offensively and as such the fleet you had gahthered would still have to push the remianing Reapers away, planet by planet, something you can do because of the heavy losses the Reapers incurred on earth  until they are forced out of the galaxy.

This would remove them as a threat for the time beeing, but not for all eternity.

They explicitly stated that the Citadel (which they also explicitly stated to be the Catalyst, meaning Task Manager has even less reason to justify his existence.) is there to provide power to the Crucible.

Though I will admit, turning the Citadel into a massive, ship throwing mass accelerator cannon is an interesting ide (remember those armchair generals?)

There's the other idea that it could merely throw the Reapers, bodily back into Dark Space.

[lex0r11]

byne wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Huh, it's weird, but I actually don't care if Shep dies at the end or not. You're right, it's about the squad. I just want them to survive. I'd be fine with a bittersweet Shepard's-funeral-scene if it's done well.

I dont want Shepard to die, because it would make Liara sad.

I am not equipped to handle that!

[byne]

HellishFiend wrote...

If we had been given extensive dialog trees for that sequence, our Shepard would have essentially been "leading us on", and not giving us the chance to draw our own conclusion without the game's help. 

Didnt Bioware say originally there were gonna be extensive dialogue trees with the godchild, where we could ask things like how long the Reapers had been Reaping, and when they started doing it, but they cut that since they figured it wasnt important?

[Earthborn_Shepard]

so we meet again, lexor!
is blue baby prepared to take over for me for the next week?

[Arian Dynas]

byne wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Well, it'd have to be massive, and the thing DID say it equired the Catalyst (Citadel) to act as a power source.

Wait, it needs the Citadel as a power source?

Then whats the point of the Reaper heart we stupidly decided to install into the damned thing?!

Reaper Heart War Asset description...

After Commander Shepard destroyed the Collector base, Cerberus spent months picking through irradiated rubble for anything useful. The human proto-Reaper the Collectors were building lay in pieces. But its incomplete core survived. The power cell would have been capable of fueling a full-fledged Reaper. After studying the device, Cerberus modified it to fuel the Illusive Man's base. Alliance engineers believe they can use the core similarly to power the Crucible.

It's a power source for the Crucible itself, it makes the thing more efficient, the Citadel is a booster. It's like a Laptop, if you want it to run for on the move, you use a battery, but if you want it to run videogames worth a damn, you need to plug it in.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

You know in regards to the Crucible I put some thoughts into what it could be it does. Most importantly I asked myself why one would need to pair it to the Citadel, what does the Citadel have the Crucible might need or what could the Crucible use the Citadel for.

The first thing that struck me was Mass Relay. The Citadel is giant Mass relay linking to dark space, but has anyone thought about what exactly it links to in dark space? There has to be another mass relay there to act as the second part of the connection and possibly something else might be there?

The Crucible might overide what ever security locks that keep any ships but reapers from using the Citadel relay allowing a force to strike at whatever is in dark space possibly destroying the Reapers through that, though to be honest that sounds a little to much like a Reaper off buton.

No, my other idea is better if I may say so myself.

We know one thing of the crucible at this time and that is that it generates massive amounts of power when activated. Now what if that power is an influx into the Citadel as well as signal that changes the Citadel realy so instead of fucntioning normally it lashes out with mass effect fields, capable of hurling objects, essentially like a giant Biotic space station.

Wreckage of ships would become gigantic projectiles propelled at the Reapers with devasting force and possibly even Reapers themselves if they got to close. This would certainly turn the battle of Earth to our advantage and devastate the majority of the Reaper fleets before they could escape.

But it would not destroy them and the relatively stationary (or at best slowmovng) bulk of the citadel would be hard to use offensively and as such the fleet you had gahthered would still have to push the remianing Reapers away, planet by planet, something you can do because of the heavy losses the Reapers incurred on earth  until they are forced out of the galaxy.

This would remove them as a threat for the time beeing, but not for all eternity.

They explicitly stated that the Citadel (which they also explicitly stated to be the Catalyst, meaning Task Manager has even less reason to justify his existence.) is there to provide power to the Crucible.

Though I will admit, turning the Citadel into a massive, ship throwing mass accelerator cannon is an interesting ide (remember those armchair generals?)

There's the other idea that it could merely throw the Reapers, bodily back into Dark Space.

Possible, but then they are simply back a few years later unless we can somehow throw them futher out (in which case we would need a Mass relay to receive them)

[byne]

lex0r11 wrote...

byne wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Huh, it's weird, but I actually don't care if Shep dies at the end or not. You're right, it's about the squad. I just want them to survive. I'd be fine with a bittersweet Shepard's-funeral-scene if it's done well.

I dont want Shepard to die, because it would make Liara sad.

I am not equipped to handle that!

*sad Liara snip, because it makes me feel horrible. damn you lex0r*

What exactly is she sad about in that picture?

[MegumiAzusa]

HellishFiend wrote...

About the starbrat making perfect sense, if you assume everything he says is true, honest and accurate (you cant, but thats another subject), then MOST of what he says makes a minimal sort of sense. Given that our only dialog option during the whole sequence boils down to two different ways of saying (waaaah, but we dont wanna die!), I think Bioware intended for us, the players, to draw our own conclusion about the choices and pick one based on that.

I know that, but at the time, tired as hell, it just did ^^

HellishFiend wrote...

If we had been given extensive dialog trees for that sequence, our Shepard would have essentially been "leading us on", and not giving us the chance to draw our own conclusion without the game's help.

That's what I believe in.

[HellishFiend]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

You know in regards to the Crucible I put some thoughts into what it could be it does. Most importantly I asked myself why one would need to pair it to the Citadel, what does the Citadel have the Crucible might need or what could the Crucible use the Citadel for.

The first thing that struck me was Mass Relay. The Citadel is giant Mass relay linking to dark space, but has anyone thought about what exactly it links to in dark space? There has to be another mass relay there to act as the second part of the connection and possibly something else might be there?

The Crucible might overide what ever security locks that keep any ships but reapers from using the Citadel relay allowing a force to strike at whatever is in dark space possibly destroying the Reapers through that, though to be honest that sounds a little to much like a Reaper off buton.

No, my other idea is better if I may say so myself.

We know one thing of the crucible at this time and that is that it generates massive amounts of power when activated. Now what if that power is an influx into the Citadel as well as signal that changes the Citadel realy so instead of fucntioning normally it lashes out with mass effect fields, capable of hurling objects, essentially like a giant Biotic space station.

Wreckage of ships would become gigantic projectiles propelled at the Reapers with devasting force and possibly even Reapers themselves if they got to close. This would certainly turn the battle of Earth to our advantage and devastate the majority of the Reaper fleets before they could escape.

But it would not destroy them and the relatively stationary (or at best slowmovng) bulk of the citadel would be hard to use offensively and as such the fleet you had gahthered would still have to push the remianing Reapers away, planet by planet, something you can do because of the heavy losses the Reapers incurred on earth  until they are forced out of the galaxy.

This would remove them as a threat for the time beeing, but not for all eternity.

I like that second idea. The Crucible/Citadel combo becoming some kind of conventional superweapon would be quite satisfying, and open up the possibilities of attempting to negotiate with the Reapers to GTFO, or attempting to defeat them entirely, resulting in different outcomes and consequences further modified by your previous choices. 

[MaximizedAction]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...
When it comes down to it, we really dont care about Shepard, we care about our squadmates, friends, and allied races that we have grown attached to.

Wut? I care about my Shep, and Liara, and the kids. oO
But no wonder a Batarian wouldn't care about Shep :3

Funny, but I think you know what I mean. We are supposed to view the world from Shepard's eyes as if they were our own. Do you think about yourself more than you think about others?

To make my point, tell me, what was the first consequence that you mulled over when being given options by the starbrat? For me, it was "Crap, I dont want to kill the Geth", followed by "No way would I ever force sweeping, evolutionary space magic modifications across every living thing in the galaxy without their consent". The fact that Shepard would die was the last thing on my mind. 

What was the first consequence you thought about? What about the second? I'm betting neither of them were your Shepard. 

Sadly for me it was "uh ok... so I pick destroy to destroy you as I wanted from the start" followed by "whhoo frak where did I have to choose?" (jumping into the beam, it was 7am after not sleeping as I wanted to finish the game and was super tired ^^)
The good thing was in my tired state the guardian made perfect sense
I guess it was about the same state of mind Shep would have been, trashed as she was

Also I promised Liara to always come back!

Exactly like I was. Sleep deprived, early in the morning, wanting to finally finish this trilogy, naivly accepting everything the game was telling me, since who would doubt the developers without any reason.

The next days I felt like an idiot when I browsed through the various discussions on the ending.