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[Thanatia]

I just had a frightening thought, which scream BAD END line no others concerning the child and stargazer.... and the normandy crash too

if all this endings are a "you fail" and the reapers win in the end, stargazer could be the représentation of the first reaper in their own "concensus" like in the geth server, and the child is the new reaper, eager to return from the void in his/its birth galaxy

firing the crucible, no matter the color, representing the reaping of all know lifes

the normandy crash showing they resisted the most but in the end they joined the "nation entity"

and the "destroy all synthetics" with shepard alive at the end would show he resisted so much in his mind he was left behind, thought dead by the reapers, all alone on a destroyed world, maybe ?

edit : I forgot to add : if the part of the citadel shepard is beamed to was never found by anyone before, all come most parts look human mades with human-like serial numbers here and there ? look more life the wings of a starfighter

Modifié par Thanatia, 12 mars 2012 - 05:53 .

[humes spork]

Bfler wrote...

He rescued the squadmates which where close behind Shepard during the run to the beam and Shepard the most important person remains alive and alone in the mud?

I'm not saying it's a particularly good explanation, I'm just pointing out that Joker hauling it away from the battle is at least feasible.

[Rifneno]

Syokhan wrote...

Guys, I'd love for this theory to be true (believe me, I really would - I was deeply dissatisfied with the endings), but if it were, wouldn't it cheapen Anderson's death scene? It was so wonderfully done, with the music, dialogue, expressions and all, that I really don't want it to be retconned. How can you go back to Shep in the rubble after the charge without losing that beautiful scene?

That wouldn't be a retcon.  There's a huge difference between misleading fans into believing something that isn't true and a retcon.  "Retcon" gets tossed around WAY too much.

[iamheartbroken]

I'm beginning to think it wasn't a hallucination. Maybe... just maybe...

After Shepard gets hit by the beam, knocked out and near death, what happens is more of a mental battle against Indoctrination - Controlling the Reapers, and Synthesis both leading to Shepard mentally surrendering her will and dying. Choosing to destroy the Reapers, is Shepard refusing to surrender no matter what, and the confused images that follow are just jumbled together thoughts and fears and hopes, then Shepard wakes up with a sharp gasp of pain.

Okay, I'm the one dreaming, but hey... it's a nice thought.

[BlackDragonBane]

Sylvanfeather wrote...

Erethrian wrote...

BlackDragonBane wrote...

Milvushina wrote...

DangerSandler wrote...

Shepard DID have issues with indoctrination though. Remember after Arrival? He said that he was having nightmares/dreams/visions.

Was that only in the Arrival DLC?  I didn't play that one ...   :

My only problem with Arrival is the fact that not everyone, myself included, actually have played it yet, so headcanon for people using the indoctrination theory would be varied. Some Shepards would be more exposed to indoctrination than others.

Wrong, as said in the "Official ME3 guides" what happens on the DLCs The Lair of the Shadow Broker and Arrival takes place even if you didn't play the DLC on ME2, just off screen. So your Shepard did Arrival, just without you watching him/her. ;P

Perhaps the beacon on Eden Prime, and subsequent beacons, provide more than just knowledge? A way to resist indoctrination? They even make a mention that the one on Thessia reacts to Shepards presence.

Seems a little bit like retconning to go 'Oh, here's DLC to bridge ME2 and ME3, but if you never did it, we'll force you to have anyway regardless.' When you're confronted by the batarian on the Citadel accusing Shepard of screwing over his homeworld, I got the option that said 'That wasn't me. The Alliance are responsible'. Really sounds like the game acknowledge that I never did Arrival, so my Shepard was never there for the events, plus it's never brought up in the beginning as to why Shepard was grounded, since I read that the events of Arrival, if completed, are the reason Shepard was stripped of ship and rank.

The idea of the Prothean beacons providing some sort of protection to Shepard has some merit to it, but I never took Javik to Thessia and I hear his dialogue is quite interesting to hear. Does Javik ever make some sort of hint or point that could elude to the beacons inadvertantly helping Shepard resist indoctrination? After all, Shepard's brain was modified by the Cypher to think like a Prothean as well as a Human.

[RABicle]

A final note before I head to bed. This; this whole thread is exactly what Bioware wanted.
After 5 years, Mass Effect wasn't going to get a happily ever after ending, it was going to get a confusing ending open to interpretation. Bioware didn't want you to like the ending, they didn't want you to talk about their game to friends and say "and then very one lived happily ever after" they wanted an ending that would see people get angry/sad/passionate about whenever Mass Effect was raised in conversation. They wanted to keep their game a talking point not just for this week but for all year, for the next few years until they release another trilogy of games.
I'll probably go into this on length on the blog I contribute to over the next few days if anyone cares, but nothing is about giving closure anymore.

Modifié par RABicle, 12 mars 2012 - 05:54 .

[PrivateFrost]

- Kid- Tell me another story about the Shepard
- Stargazer- Did you download the DLC?
- Kid - No....
- Stargazer - Then go to bed.

http://www.reddit.co...ut_the_shepard/

[MissMaster_2]

Pyewacket wrote...


So Joker managed to get down to the Hammer site, grab my somehow completely uninjured team mates and high tail it out of the system in under 10 minutes?  That's pretty impressive even for Joker.

With out getting shot down by the many Reapers that are chilling out...

Yeah there is no way that happened. lol.

[Pyewacket]

AM94 wrote...

3Minotaur3 wrote...

AM94 wrote...

The fact that the godchild looks exactly like the little boy in the beginning of the game, and doesnt even look like a VI that we've ever seen has to mean something.

Looks more like a hologram to me... A VI that brain-search Shepard for a significant picture to show him...

But we have seen numerous holograms, Avina is one, EDI, even Sovereign as a hologram and none of them looked even remotely like that, and it is never mentioned in game that they brain-search people to create a more appropriate look. If the Catalyst is reaper tech and so is Sovereign than he couldve done the same thing to hide his true nature and yet he didnt. That would make you're claim speculation at best.

This.

[Deltateam Elcor]

 We dont really know what was actually on the time capsule, perhaps liari recorded much more and the time in the loft was just to describe the man/woman themself.

It is implied that the entire trilogy is this mans story, but to be honest i really dont like the stargazer sequence, it makes things confusing, more than they already are.

[xDarkspace]

• Shepard a myth a story to tell kids for bed time.
• Shepard died at the beam and they only think the reapers are gone.
• Shepard is indoctranated and we will see the rest of the ending in a expansion or mabye they are ****ing with us and there will be another mass effect game with shepard in 2 years mass effect 3 part 2 or me4.
• or we are all wrong and stuck with ****ty endings.

Modifié par xDarkspace, 12 mars 2012 - 05:53 .

[Dessalines]

Why is this the only Reaper that has rapid fire capabilities? We face two Reapers in this game alone. and none of them were rapid firing.

[I...AM...KROGAN]

Bioware talked about having "very different" endings. If Shep is really fighting indoctrination we have the perfect way to get those endings. If you choose destroy and Shepard wakes up, they could have you continue fighting from that point as you normally would. Perhaps you activate the Crucible and it decimates the Reapers. Game over, everyone happy. But let's say you chose to merge with the Reapers? Well, you made the wrong choice. You're now a sleeper agent like Saren, and you'll do anything to stop your former allies from completing their mission. Say Liara is my LI and she comes to check how I'm doing while I wake up from the rubble...

Liara: "Shepard. Shepard" (echoing like Anderson in the prologue) "Are you alright?"
Shep: "What happened? Is it over?"
Liara: "By the Goddess, I thought we'd lost you. No, we're making the push and we really need your help."
Shep: "But...
Liara: "What is it?"
Shep: "Nothing. It's just that I thought I met the Catalyst on the Citadel. Anderson died. I must have been dreaming."
Liara: "Oh, well that's understandable. You can explain everything later. We haven't time to chat."
Shep: "I thought I'd lost you too, Liara. I love you. Come here."

Liara embraces Shep and as they're looking into each other's eyes, Shepard plunges his omniblade into Liara's chest.

Shep: "I'm sorry I couldn't save everyone. I'm sorry you had to try to stop them. The cycle must continue!"

[Joyceee]

Thanatia wrote...

I just had a frightening thought, which scream BAD END line no others concerning the child and stargazer.... and the normandy crash too

if all this endings are a "you fail" and the reapers win in the end, stargazer could be the représentation of the first reaper in their own "concensus" like in the geth server, and the child is the new reaper, eager to return from the void in his/its birth galaxy

Oh wow. This is an enlightening point! Never thought of that.

[EXMugamy]

In my opinion, was all an illusion. Much nonsense. A lot did not make sense in the end. Since the Shepard appears with a sigh, in the rubble. The Normandy that green planet and everyone going as if nothing had happened is very strange, and not have lack of Shepard.

[lil_89]

humes spork wrote...

Lurchibald wrote...

Seroiusly? the whole point is that the Normandy shouldn't even be where it is, it (again) is part of the Alliance fleet and Both the crew and Admiral Hackett wouldn't run away.

It's logical that when Hammer failed, Hackett ordered the Normandy to evacuate as many personnel as possible and run -- go dark, find a habitable world far away from the relays, and colonize so somebody would survive the harvesting. Nobody would like it, but they're soldiers, trained to accept orders and do what absolutely, positively has to be done. That would explain why the Normandy is in relay transit, and crash-landing on a garden world being nothing less than raw, unfettered, serendipity. That would also explain why the squadmates are on the Normandy, if Joker decided to or was ordered to evacuate Hammer survivors as first priority.

I disagree, this is highly illogical. Why should the Normandy crew be a priority? The reapers would have found them anyway, you can't just hide in the jungle on some planet, and hope the reapers wont find you. The protheans already tried that with their pods and just, no. Still does not explain how the squadmenmer that died with you while running to the beam are suddenly unharmed, if they were alive, why wouldn't they just go to the Citadel?

Modifié par lil_89, 12 mars 2012 - 05:55 .

[BlackDragonBane]

I...AM...KROGAN wrote...

Bioware talked about having "very different" endings. If Shep is really fighting indoctrination we have the perfect way to get those endings. If you choose destroy and Shepard wakes up, they could have you continue fighting from that point as you normally would. Perhaps you activate the Crucible and it decimates the Reapers. Game over, everyone happy. But let's say you chose to merge with the Reapers? Well, you made the wrong choice. You're now a sleeper agent like Saren, and you'll do anything to stop your former allies from completing their mission. Say Liara is my LI and she comes to check how I'm doing while I wake up from the rubble...

Liara: "Shepard. Shepard" (echoing like Anderson in the prologue) "Are you alright?"
Shep: "What happened? Is it over?"
Liara: "By the Goddess, I thought we'd lost you. No, we're making the push and we really need your help."
Shep: "But...
Liara: "What is it?"
Shep: "Nothing. It's just that I thought I met the Catalyst on the Citadel. Anderson died. I must have been dreaming."
Liara: "Oh, well that's understandable. You can explain everything later. We haven't time to chat."
Shep: "I thought I'd lost you too, Liara. I love you. Come here."

Liara embraces Shep and as they're looking into each other's eyes, Shepard plunges his omniblade into Liara's chest.

Shep: "I'm sorry I couldn't save everyone. I'm sorry you had to try to stop them. The cycle must continue!"

I got chills.

[rogueagent6]

k8ee wrote...

Did you PM the OP to have it added to page one? If it isn't already there?

I did indeed.

[Golferguy758]

I'm not sure if I should laugh or cry that people think joker would listen to an order to retreat from anyone when shepard is still on the planet. He stayed on the sr1 as out was exploding even when shepard told him to abandon ship. And you think he'd abandon shepard again let alone smile within ten minutes of that?

[Bfler]

What I also ask myself is: Where is all the equipment, the armor and weapons? Before the run Shepard wears a full suit and some weapons and when he wakes up there is only simple clothing and a pistol.

[Darth Taurus]

PrivateFrost wrote...

- Kid- Tell me another story about the Shepard
- Stargazer- Did you download the DLC?
- Kid - No....
- Stargazer - Then go to bed.

http://www.reddit.co...ut_the_shepard/

LOL LOL

[Rifneno]

Dessalines wrote...

Why is this the only Reaper that has rapid fire capabilities? We face two Reapers in this game alone. and none of them were rapid firing.

We faced destroyers, which are the weakest sentient Reaper.  That right there is Harbinger himself, the oldest and largest of the Reapers (according to the codex).  The ones we faced were the weakest.  This is the strongest.

[Jaron Oberyn]

Lol this thread is entertaining. You guys are really grasping at straws here.


-Polite

[RohanSpartan]

Like Captain Jack Sparrow once said, "Pretend like its all just a bad dream."

[BlackDragonBane]

Bfler wrote...

What I also ask myself is: Where is all the equipment, the armor and weapons? Before the run Shepard wears a full suit and some weapons and when he wakes up there is only simple clothing and a pistol.

It's assumed when Harbinger's laser narrowly missed Sheaprd, it melted off about 80% of the armor and either destroyed the weapons or sent them scattering all over the battlefield.... except for the random infinite god-pistol you find.

I wanted to point out, not sure if someone already did but.... Did anyone else notice that when you go through the Conduit and arrive on the Citadel, Shepard PICKS UP another inifite god-pistol? What happened to the one he/she was just carrying?