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[HellishFiend]

Rifneno wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

From a science fiction standpoint, maybe not, but from a literary standpoint, byne is absolutely correct: it would be silly, and even inappropriate. But it would be worth it if it meant PROTHEANS IN MULTIPLAYER!!

Only as enemies right?  I wanna shoot some fascists.

Haters gonna hate.... <_<

[NeoDobby]

Hi @ all,

I'm new here and wanted to say that I'm fascinated by the possibilities that the Indoctrination Theory implies. I've followed the discussions here for a while and finally, I have something to say.

I'm not sure what to think of time travel as a solution, but the Prothean Armada thing Arian suggested got me thinking: What was the reason the Reapers failed making a Prothean Reaper? A timetravelling armada of the Protheans ripped from the previous cycle could mean that there just weren't enough protheans left. Then again, why did the war last so long? Ok, maybe this is a little bit far fetched

About Haestrom's sun: I think there were more cases of strange weather anomalities hinted at in the Citadel News or the planet descriptions on the galaxy map - did we ever get more information about that besides "dark energy"? I always thought there was something bigger we would find out more about later, but somehow I forgot all about it in the course of ME 3 and the ending.

[Rifneno]

HellishFiend wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

From a science fiction standpoint, maybe not, but from a literary standpoint, byne is absolutely correct: it would be silly, and even inappropriate. But it would be worth it if it meant PROTHEANS IN MULTIPLAYER!!

Only as enemies right?  I wanna shoot some fascists.

Haters gonna hate.... <_<

Do I need to go find that rant about how the protheans deserved to get destroyed by the Reapers and the Reapers were just beating them at their own game?  'cuz I'll do it. :happy:

[Arian Dynas]

NeoDobby wrote...

Hi @ all,

I'm new here and wanted to say that I'm fascinated by the possibilities that the Indoctrination Theory implies. I've followed the discussions here for a while and finally, I have something to say.

I'm not sure what to think of time travel as a solution, but the Prothean Armada thing Arian suggested got me thinking: What was the reason the Reapers failed making a Prothean Reaper? A timetravelling armada of the Protheans ripped from the previous cycle could mean that there just weren't enough protheans left. Then again, why did the war last so long? Ok, maybe this is a little bit far fetched

About Haestrom's sun: I think there were more cases of strange weather anomalities hinted at in the Citadel News or the planet descriptions on the galaxy map - did we ever get more information about that besides "dark energy"? I always thought there was something bigger we would find out more about later, but somehow I forgot all about it in the course of ME 3 and the ending.

Welcome to the brotherhood, get your commemorative membership pin at the door.

And yes, it is absolutely far-fetched, in other words an absolutely insane pipe dream Idea I am just pitching around for the fun of it.

As for Dark Energy as a plot device... well it used to feature heavily into the ending, but that was cut.

[MegumiAzusa]

Golferguy758 wrote...

@ schneeland
Probably are getting shorter. Game is pretty much info'd out at this point. Beyond just repeating things to new people I doubt anythign will really come up.

We're at dissecting the exe now :3

[NeoDobby]

Arian Dynas wrote...

NeoDobby wrote...

Hi @ all,

I'm new here and wanted to say that I'm fascinated by the possibilities that the Indoctrination Theory implies. I've followed the discussions here for a while and finally, I have something to say.

I'm not sure what to think of time travel as a solution, but the Prothean Armada thing Arian suggested got me thinking: What was the reason the Reapers failed making a Prothean Reaper? A timetravelling armada of the Protheans ripped from the previous cycle could mean that there just weren't enough protheans left. Then again, why did the war last so long? Ok, maybe this is a little bit far fetched

About Haestrom's sun: I think there were more cases of strange weather anomalities hinted at in the Citadel News or the planet descriptions on the galaxy map - did we ever get more information about that besides "dark energy"? I always thought there was something bigger we would find out more about later, but somehow I forgot all about it in the course of ME 3 and the ending.

Welcome to the brotherhood, get your commemorative membership pin at the door.

And yes, it is absolutely far-fetched, in other words an absolutely insane pipe dream Idea I am just pitching around for the fun of it.

As for Dark Energy as a plot device... well it used to feature heavily into the ending, but that was cut.

Ah well ... there goes my contribution to the theory - maybe I should get back to some calibrating

[Arian Dynas]

NeoDobby wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

NeoDobby wrote...
*snip*

Ah well ... there goes my contribution to the theory - maybe I should get back to some calibrating

If you keep doing that you'll go blind.

But seriously, no need to worry, this is the place to toss around theories, even if they get shot down.

Modifié par Arian Dynas, 29 avril 2012 - 01:38 .

[NeoDobby]

Arian Dynas wrote...

NeoDobby wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

NeoDobby wrote...
*snip*

Ah well ... there goes my contribution to the theory - maybe I should get back to some calibrating

If you keep doing that you'll go blind.

But seriously, no need to worry, this is the place to toss around theories, even if they get shot down.

But there's always some .43% to add! Keep's the AI on it's (sorry, her) toes.

Thanks, if I find anything else, I'll share.

[Eli Parker]

I beat the game again, and I got to see the secret ending. So it happens right after Normandy crash, and then you hear a growl from a reaper at the end, then it cuts to credits. Yea there is no other ending then the Indoc Theory. Maybe the indoc theory starts after you go to the beam and instead of going to the Citadel, you actually go into Harbinger (that would explain why in the secret ending you are inside of something). Also do Hologram leaves shadows, because the Star-Child leaves none.

About the child and grandpa, that must be Bioware just adding that to sell DLCs because it makes no sense with or without the Indoc theory.

Any thoughts?

Modifié par Eli Parker, 29 avril 2012 - 01:58 .

[UrgedDuke]

UrgedDuke wrote...

I think I found something and I hope it hasn't been mentioned before. If anyone has the picture of all the fade to white pictures could the please post it because I have one to add. To clarify all of the fade to white from the dreams sequences, geth consensus, and after you get shot by harby.

pause at 10:16

it is just like the other fade to white scenes

[Domanese]

Eli Parker wrote...

I beat the game again, and I got to see the secret ending. So it happens right after Normandy crash, and then you hear a growl from a reaper at the end, then it cuts to credits. Yea there is no other ending then the Indoc Theory. Maybe the indoc theory starts after you go to the beam and instead of going to the Citadel, you actually go into Harbinger (that would explain why in the secret ending you are inside of something). Also do Hologram leaves shadows, because the Star-Child leaves none.

About the child and grandpa, that must be Bioware just adding that to sell DLCs because it makes no sense with or without the Indoc theory.

Any thoughts?

Do you have a way to confirm that or a least how to get to that point?

[Eli Parker]

Domanese wrote...

Eli Parker wrote...

I beat the game again, and I got to see the secret ending. So it happens right after Normandy crash, and then you hear a growl from a reaper at the end, then it cuts to credits. Yea there is no other ending then the Indoc Theory. Maybe the indoc theory starts after you go to the beam and instead of going to the Citadel, you actually go into Harbinger (that would explain why in the secret ending you are inside of something). Also do Hologram leaves shadows, because the Star-Child leaves none.

About the child and grandpa, that must be Bioware just adding that to sell DLCs because it makes no sense with or without the Indoc theory.

Any thoughts?

Do you have a way to confirm that or a least how to get to that point?

edit - I did destory and I saw all of the citadel explode. 

The serect ending - I saw it play after the crash and before it ended I heard a growl from a reaper. There was a video hinting that the sound from the serect ending is indoors and not outside. So I thought that maybe Shep when (s)he got to the beam actually beamed inside of Harbinger and everything afterwards could be in his mind or he is seeing visions.

Modifié par Eli Parker, 29 avril 2012 - 02:18 .

[Simon_Says]

HellishFiend wrote...

paxxton wrote...

byne wrote...

Honestly though, I hope they dont bring time travel into this.

Would seem way too silly to suddenly introduce time travel at the last moment.

Almost as silly as if Bioware had gone crazy and added space magic at the last mo-- ohwaitaminute

Actually, it wouldn't be as silly as you might think. There's already dark energy in Mass Effect, Let's use it to warp spacetime.

From a science fiction standpoint, maybe not, but from a literary standpoint, byne is absolutely correct: it would be silly, and even inappropriate. But it would be worth it if it meant PROTHEANS IN MULTIPLAYER!!

And yet that would undermine the entire Javik character.

[byne]

Yknow, I was thinking.

Being based on Reaper tech, shouldnt EDI know at least a bit about the Reapers' motives?

She just told my Shep that 'The Reapers are repulsive. They are devoted to nothing but self-preservation.'

Thats sort of the vibe you get from talking to Sovereign too, back before Shepard proved herself to be a threat to the Reapers. After you kill Sovereign, all the Reapers (including godchild) that you talk to seem to indicate that they are doing you a favor by ascending you, trying to convince you they are doing the right thing.

If the Reapers are indeed devoted to nothing but self-preservation, it would make sense to try and convince the one person who has a chance of stopping them that they are in fact trying to help them, not trying to wipe out all organics.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Eli Parker wrote...

Domanese wrote...

Eli Parker wrote...

I beat the game again, and I got to see the secret ending. So it happens right after Normandy crash, and then you hear a growl from a reaper at the end, then it cuts to credits. Yea there is no other ending then the Indoc Theory. Maybe the indoc theory starts after you go to the beam and instead of going to the Citadel, you actually go into Harbinger (that would explain why in the secret ending you are inside of something). Also do Hologram leaves shadows, because the Star-Child leaves none.

About the child and grandpa, that must be Bioware just adding that to sell DLCs because it makes no sense with or without the Indoc theory.

Any thoughts?

Do you have a way to confirm that or a least how to get to that point?

edit - I did destory and I saw all of the citadel explode. 

The serect ending - I saw it play after the crash and before it ended I heard a growl from a reaper. There was a video hinting that the sound from the serect ending is indoors and not outside. So I thought that maybe Shep when (s)he got to the beam actually beamed inside of Harbinger and everything afterwards could be in his mind or he is seeing visions.

The entire environment fo the secret scene is questionable, I've watched my own high quality recording of it a good thousand times and all I can settle on is that the rubble looks like rubble you've seen in London down to the grooves, And that it's definitley Shepard's body taking a breath. 

Beyond that I've got questions with no answers. I'm 60/40 the cables are Reaper tech and NOT rebar, I'm 75/25 theres a Mako or Alliance troop transport overturned in the background. I'm positive the smooth oval shaped structures that play halfway through the scene are more Reaper tech but I can't figure where I've seen them in the entire game aside from that secret scene, but it's almost definitley reaper tech of some sort. There's two structures immediatley behind Shepard, one looks either like a building in the distance or some kind of box with shadows and two lines across it. The other could be wreckage or more Reaper tech, it looks circular in shape and even has circles on it's bottom/side/whatever side you're facing going inward (not quite a spiral).

The sounds can be a very distance Reaper howl, OR can easily be the sound of a building settling. There's anotehr sound that plays inbetween that's some kind of...foot falls maybe? ticking? I don't know. I'll be back after I watch it another hundred.

[Eli Parker]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

The entire environment fo the secret scene is questionable, I've watched my own high quality recording of it a good thousand times and all I can settle on is that the rubble looks like rubble you've seen in London down to the grooves, And that it's definitley Shepard's body taking a breath. 

 

The rubble, I just don't know what it is, but it does look manmade though.

 

Beyond that I've got questions with no answers. I'm 60/40 the cables are Reaper tech and NOT rebar, I'm 75/25 theres a Mako or Alliance troop transport overturned in the background. I'm positive the smooth oval shaped structures that play halfway through the scene are more Reaper tech but I can't figure where I've seen them in the entire game aside from that secret scene, but it's almost definitley reaper tech of some sort. There's two structures immediatley behind Shepard, one looks either like a building in the distance or some kind of box with shadows and two lines across it. The other could be wreckage or more Reaper tech, it looks circular in shape and even has circles on it's bottom/side/whatever side you're facing going inward (not quite a spiral).

 

I'll answer your question with another question (it mostly cuz I don't konw what Bioware planned for the ending) What if part of where Shepard was at was beam up on to Harbinger?

 

The sounds can be a very distance Reaper howl, OR can easily be the sound of a building settling. There's anotehr sound that plays inbetween that's some kind of...foot falls maybe? ticking? I don't know. I'll be back after I watch it another hundred.

To me the sound was a distance Reaper growl/howl. Did you see it for the hundred time already?

[Rifneno]

byne wrote...

Yknow, I was thinking.

Being based on Reaper tech, shouldnt EDI know at least a bit about the Reapers' motives?

She just told my Shep that 'The Reapers are repulsive. They are devoted to nothing but self-preservation.'

Thats sort of the vibe you get from talking to Sovereign too, back before Shepard proved herself to be a threat to the Reapers. After you kill Sovereign, all the Reapers (including godchild) that you talk to seem to indicate that they are doing you a favor by ascending you, trying to convince you they are doing the right thing.

If the Reapers are indeed devoted to nothing but self-preservation, it would make sense to try and convince the one person who has a chance of stopping them that they are in fact trying to help them, not trying to wipe out all organics.

I certainly hope that's the case.  I'd be pissed if they tried to do that gray morality bull with the villains that have killed quintillions of people.

As for EDI, it's probably a software/hardware thing.  I.e. she has one of Sovereign's mega-processors which gives her the insane hacking ability she has, but she doesn't have the software that used to run on it.

[marcelo_sdk]

Yeah, I would like him to live, but an descent ending can be done even with Shepard dying.

And I was thinking: people almos didn't talk about TIM in the IDT. If it was an hallucination, what TIM is doing after all?

[Rifneno]

marcelo_sdk wrote...

Yeah, I would like him to live, but an descent ending can be done even with Shepard dying.

And I was thinking: people almos didn't talk about TIM in the IDT. If it was an hallucination, what TIM is doing after all?

Judging by his bio on the Shadow Broker's ship, getting laid.

[Arian Dynas]

Rifneno wrote...

marcelo_sdk wrote...

Yeah, I would like him to live, but an descent ending can be done even with Shepard dying.

And I was thinking: people almos didn't talk about TIM in the IDT. If it was an hallucination, what TIM is doing after all?

Judging by his bio on the Shadow Broker's ship, getting laid.

The man gets rediclous amounts of ****.

[byne]

Rifneno wrote...

marcelo_sdk wrote...

Yeah, I would like him to live, but an descent ending can be done even with Shepard dying.

And I was thinking: people almos didn't talk about TIM in the IDT. If it was an hallucination, what TIM is doing after all?

Judging by his bio on the Shadow Broker's ship, getting laid.

Sexual liaisons (past week):
-Sani Shelani, Illium Entertainment's Sexiest Human Alive
-Brooke Karrigar, Skyball Champion
-Vela Vicious, Fornax Dream Girl 2185
-Staci and Stephi Strong, the "Terra Firma Twins"
-Matriarch Trellani (twice)

I always found it odd that Mr Pro-Humanity would sleep with an asari matriarch.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

[quote]Eli Parker wrote...

[quote]gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

The entire environment fo the secret scene is questionable, I've watched my own high quality recording of it a good thousand times and all I can settle on is that the rubble looks like rubble you've seen in London down to the grooves, And that it's definitley Shepard's body taking a breath. 
[/quote] 

The rubble, I just don't know what it is, but it does look manmade though.

[/quote]

There were some comparison images a few hundred pages ago. It showed distince grooved lines in some concrete columns in London during the mission there, the same grooved patterns can be seen in the rubble in the secret ending. On top of that, it defintily looks like concrete rubble, not something you would expect the Citadel being made of, course I cou;d be wrong but the Citadel seems more metallic in construction. I'm 99% sure the Shepard's breath scene takes place back on Earth.

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Beyond that I've got questions with no answers. I'm 60/40 the cables are Reaper tech and NOT rebar, I'm 75/25 theres a Mako or Alliance troop transport overturned in the background. I'm positive the smooth oval shaped structures that play halfway through the scene are more Reaper tech but I can't figure where I've seen them in the entire game aside from that secret scene, but it's almost definitley reaper tech of some sort. There's two structures immediatley behind Shepard, one looks either like a building in the distance or some kind of box with shadows and two lines across it. The other could be wreckage or more Reaper tech, it looks circular in shape and even has circles on it's bottom/side/whatever side you're facing going inward (not quite a spiral).
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[quote]
I'll answer your question with another question (it mostly cuz I don't konw what Bioware planned for the ending) What if part of where Shepard was at was beam up on to Harbinger?
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At this point anything's possible. But, if you are beamed into Harbinger and somehow make him explode from the inside, why are you in a pile of (supposed) concrete rubble and not a pile of mostly Reaper hull?


[quote] 

The sounds can be a very distance Reaper howl, OR can easily be the sound of a building settling. There's anotehr sound that plays inbetween that's some kind of...foot falls maybe? ticking? I don't know. I'll be back after I watch it another hundred.

[/quote]
[quote]
To me the sound was a distance Reaper growl/howl. Did you see it for the hundred time already?

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I've seen it more than a hundred times already, but I'll get back to you in another hundred. Hell make it a thousand.

[marcelo_sdk]

And i figure that Anderson and the squadmates died after Harby's laser. Well, from now on, the only thing we can do is wait the Extended Cut to see some answers, or more doubts.

[blooregard]

marcelo_sdk wrote...

Yeah, I would like him to live, but an descent ending can be done even with Shepard dying.

And I was thinking: people almos didn't talk about TIM in the IDT. If it was an hallucination, what TIM is doing after all?

I find it odd that TIM said taht "he wasn't looking for Shepard's approval" and then tries to convince Shepard that control is the right decision.


I'm sure it has been brought up a hundred times just thought I'd repost it


"I'm not saying it was Reapers...but it was Reapers"
~Georgio A. Tsoukalos

[gunslinger_ruiz]

marcelo_sdk wrote...

Yeah, I would like him to live, but an descent ending can be done even with Shepard dying.

And I was thinking: people almos didn't talk about TIM in the IDT. If it was an hallucination, what TIM is doing after all?

I personally believe The Illusive Man is acting as an amplifer for your Indoctrination attempt, he just doesn't know he's been put to use as such by the Reapers. Remember, the Prothean VI said he went to the Citadel and informed the Reapers of the Crucible plans so he's more than likely somewhere on the Citadel during the battle. Since he's an "amplifier" he'd be inside your Indoctrination attempt, further trying to convince you what he thinks is right. Since he's being controlled by the Reapers, we can imagine everything he says it was the Reapers want him to say or what they allow him to say. Once you shoot him, or convince him to shoot himself, his role in the Indoctrination attempt ends, but him assuming control of you/weakening your will could give the Reapers the chance they need to continue the Indoctrination attempt: enter the Catalyst/Starchild.

EDIT: this is all theory and speculation until EC, but another possibility of course.

Modifié par gunslinger_ruiz, 29 avril 2012 - 02:57 .