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[Auralius Carolus]

Arian Dynas wrote...

You're conflating.

We aren't sugguesting the Citadel has an indoctrination field, Indoctrination is the use of extreme high and low frequency vibration hums, coupled with electromagnetic fields to induce a weakened mental awareness of oneself, rendering the person succeptible to sugguestion. (which interestingly, is also the source behind the scientific interpretation of what a "haunting" is, but that's another subject.)

What we ARE sugguesting is that the Citadel uses a sort of pacifying field, to render it's inhabitants more calm, less likely to accept the existence of the Reapers as a threat, to make them more complacent, and yes, there are low frequency sounds that induce such an effect in humans, as well as subtle pheromone scents.

I'm firmly aware of how indoctrination is supposed to work, and its relationship to RL hauntings, Arian.

As far as "pacification fields", I'm not aware of any evidence for such a thing besides raw SPECULATIONSZZ!!! Certain levels of infrasound can calm or even induce awe in humans, but only in certain individuals- others feel nothing or experience similar "haunting" effects, just like with EMF.

And pheromones? This would suggest that the Citadel is capable of utilizing species-specific technology, dynamically, without Reaper intervention with extreme accuracy. There are no grounds for that.

Combined with high levels of emotion that have been visible on the Citadel through all three games, (gang warfare, mourning, anxiety, fear, etc.) if such fields do exist, they are have minimal impact and almost irrelevent to the plot.

Now go have a popsicle, Arian.

[byne]

Ugh, of all the places Bioware could have put in one of those annoying dream sequences, they just HAD to put one right in the middle of the romance scenes.

Cause thats what I want to see after Liara tells me she loves me: freaking godchild.

On a side note: the dream you have right before assaulting TIM's base forced me to run up to the kid while I was typing this message.

I know with the dream after Tuchanka I left the game running during the dream while I went downstairs to get a drink, and it didnt force me to run to the kid.

With the dream after Mars, I ran around for like 10 minutes because I totally couldnt find the kid.

But for some reason, just standing still for less than a minute was too much for the last dream to handle, and just automatically finished it.

Edit: Ugh. This happened again!



I swear, it happens almost everytime right before assaulting TIM's base! 

Modifié par byne, 29 avril 2012 - 03:01 .

[Eli Parker]

@gunslinger_ruiz

I still hope that Shepard wakes up on earth after the end. Also on the thousand viewing of the secret ending do you agree that it is a reaper growl. When I heard the secret ending, it sound like it's in a confined area (or maybe Shepard fell underground?).

[zapphoman24]

I am actually a very strong believer in the IT. A lot of things that occur after getting hit by Harbingers beam just doesn't make sense unless Shepard was Indoctrinated and I refuse to believe that the ending was a result of poor story writing by Bioware.

Also watching this helps... http://m.youtube.com...top_uri=/&gl=US

[Eli Parker]

zapphoman24 wrote...

I am actually a very strong believer in the IT. A lot of things that occur after getting hit by Harbingers beam just doesn't make sense unless Shepard was Indoctrinated and I refuse to believe that the ending was a result of poor story writing by Bioware.

Also watching this helps... http://m.youtube.com...top_uri=/&gl=US

On the youtube list, Heavy Rain was a great game and it relected your chooses though the game sorta perfectly.

[Arian Dynas]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

You're conflating.

We aren't sugguesting the Citadel has an indoctrination field, Indoctrination is the use of extreme high and low frequency vibration hums, coupled with electromagnetic fields to induce a weakened mental awareness of oneself, rendering the person succeptible to sugguestion. (which interestingly, is also the source behind the scientific interpretation of what a "haunting" is, but that's another subject.)

What we ARE sugguesting is that the Citadel uses a sort of pacifying field, to render it's inhabitants more calm, less likely to accept the existence of the Reapers as a threat, to make them more complacent, and yes, there are low frequency sounds that induce such an effect in humans, as well as subtle pheromone scents.

I'm firmly aware of how indoctrination is supposed to work, and its relationship to RL hauntings, Arian.

As far as "pacification fields", I'm not aware of any evidence for such a thing besides raw SPECULATIONSZZ!!! Certain levels of infrasound can calm or even induce awe in humans, but only in certain individuals- others feel nothing or experience similar "haunting" effects, just like with EMF.

And pheromones? This would suggest that the Citadel is capable of utilizing species-specific technology, dynamically, without Reaper intervention with extreme accuracy. There are no grounds for that.

Combined with high levels of emotion that have been visible on the Citadel through all three games, (gang warfare, mourning, anxiety, fear, etc.) if such fields do exist, they are have minimal impact and almost irrelevent to the plot.

Now go have a popsicle, Arian.

No need to get crispy with me laddybuck.

Besides, I'd be liable to jam that popsicle right up your.. *ehm*

It's just a theory, LOTS OF SPECULATION, remember?

[Auralius Carolus]

marcelo_sdk wrote...

Yeah, I would like him to live, but an descent ending can be done even with Shepard dying.

And I was thinking: people almos didn't talk about TIM in the IDT. If it was an hallucination, what TIM is doing after all?

Likely proving to be a real threat to the Reapers. There was a reason the Reapers attacked Cerberus at the end of the game, it wasn't because they felt TIM was thoroughly under control.

Worst case scenario, (for the Reapers), TIM is right and links up with them, then is killed off by Shepard resulting in a galactic "Blue Screen of Death", similar to what Sovereign got in ME1.

[MegumiAzusa]

Eli Parker wrote...

Domanese wrote...

Eli Parker wrote...

I beat the game again, and I got to see the secret ending. So it happens right after Normandy crash, and then you hear a growl from a reaper at the end, then it cuts to credits. Yea there is no other ending then the Indoc Theory. Maybe the indoc theory starts after you go to the beam and instead of going to the Citadel, you actually go into Harbinger (that would explain why in the secret ending you are inside of something). Also do Hologram leaves shadows, because the Star-Child leaves none.

About the child and grandpa, that must be Bioware just adding that to sell DLCs because it makes no sense with or without the Indoc theory.

Any thoughts?

Do you have a way to confirm that or a least how to get to that point?

edit - I did destory and I saw all of the citadel explode. 

The serect ending - I saw it play after the crash and before it ended I heard a growl from a reaper. There was a video hinting that the sound from the serect ending is indoors and not outside. So I thought that maybe Shep when (s)he got to the beam actually beamed inside of Harbinger and everything afterwards could be in his mind or he is seeing visions.

No growl for me, just metal etc squeaking from stress.

[Auralius Carolus]

Arian Dynas wrote...

No need to get crispy with me laddybuck.

Besides, I'd be liable to jam that popsicle right up your.. *ehm*

It's just a theory, LOTS OF SPECULATION, remember?

Oddly enough, I was originally gonna tell you to remove the popsicle from your, *ehem*, and suck on it.

Plus, someone has to put you in your place before you decide to drop another 33K word wall of text in the thread. This time around, I don't know if the servers could handle it.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Eli Parker wrote...

@gunslinger_ruiz

I still hope that Shepard wakes up on earth after the end. Also on the thousand viewing of the secret ending do you agree that it is a reaper growl. When I heard the secret ending, it sound like it's in a confined area (or maybe Shepard fell underground?).

As I'm hearing it now I'm not convinced it's a Reaper howl, sounds more like the building settling. Also, there's the definite sound of "wind" in the background, giving the impression that you're somewhere outdoors and probably not on the Citadel or in space. You can also see a lot of dust.

My absolute best guesses:

If you're on Earth, Shepard is laying near where you wake up after Harbinger's attack in a pile of rubble.

If you're on the Citadel, you're in that dark hallway that's been blown to rubble.

Both suggest one of two things. You've survived at least three massive explosions OR at least three massive explosions + re-entry into Earth's atmosphere + impact with the ground. Or it was all an elaborate attempt to Indoctrinate you, which you've successfully overpowere through sheer will.

[MegumiAzusa]

byne wrote...

Edit: Ugh. This happened again!

~~~~

I swear, it happens almost everytime right before assaulting TIM's base! 

lol never had such a bug oO

[Arian Dynas]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

No need to get crispy with me laddybuck.

Besides, I'd be liable to jam that popsicle right up your.. *ehm*

It's just a theory, LOTS OF SPECULATION, remember?

Oddly enough, I was originally gonna tell you to remove the popsicle from your, *ehem*, and suck on it.

Plus, someone has to put you in your place before you decide to drop another 33K word wall of text in the thread. This time around, I don't know if the servers could handle it.

No worries my friend, my place is very easy to remember.

It involves your nose being about 5 centimeters from my ass as we both climb a ladder. 

Potentially with your lips puckered.

[Auralius Carolus]

byne wrote...

I know with the dream after Tuchanka I left the game running during the dream while I went downstairs to get a drink, and it didnt force me to run to the kid.

With the dream after Mars, I ran around for like 10 minutes because I totally couldnt find the kid.

But for some reason, just standing still for less than a minute was too much for the last dream to handle, and just automatically finished it.

The last dream appears to be on a timer, for some reason unknown. I tried to go into the groups of shadow people and listen for anything odd, but it cut me right to the kid/doppleganger scene.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

No need to get crispy with me laddybuck.

Besides, I'd be liable to jam that popsicle right up your.. *ehm*

It's just a theory, LOTS OF SPECULATION, remember?

Oddly enough, I was originally gonna tell you to remove the popsicle from your, *ehem*, and suck on it.

Plus, someone has to put you in your place before you decide to drop another 33K word wall of text in the thread. This time around, I don't know if the servers could handle it.

Sure they could, bring on the wall of text Arian! I've got one I've been saving up as well (repost of something I put up around 1400)

[Eli Parker]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

No growl for me, just metal etc squeaking from stress.

Maybe it's just me, but it seems like a sorta growl from a reaper (,but again I could be wrong).

[byne]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

marcelo_sdk wrote...

Yeah, I would like him to live, but an descent ending can be done even with Shepard dying.

And I was thinking: people almos didn't talk about TIM in the IDT. If it was an hallucination, what TIM is doing after all?

Likely proving to be a real threat to the Reapers. There was a reason the Reapers attacked Cerberus at the end of the game, it wasn't because they felt TIM was thoroughly under control.

Worst case scenario, (for the Reapers), TIM is right and links up with them, then is killed off by Shepard resulting in a galactic "Blue Screen of Death", similar to what Sovereign got in ME1.

Yknow, if TIM is indoctrinated, which the conversation with him on the Citadel seems to prove he is, why did the Reapers attack his facility on Sanctuary?

I mean, supposing he actually did figure out how to control the Reapers, why do they care? He's under their control, he's not going to actually do it.

So why attack his facility?

[MegumiAzusa]

byne wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

marcelo_sdk wrote...

Yeah, I would like him to live, but an descent ending can be done even with Shepard dying.

And I was thinking: people almos didn't talk about TIM in the IDT. If it was an hallucination, what TIM is doing after all?

Judging by his bio on the Shadow Broker's ship, getting laid.

Sexual liaisons (past week):
-Sani Shelani, Illium Entertainment's Sexiest Human Alive
-Brooke Karrigar, Skyball Champion
-Vela Vicious, Fornax Dream Girl 2185
-Staci and Stephi Strong, the "Terra Firma Twins"
-Matriarch Trellani (twice)

I always found it odd that Mr Pro-Humanity would sleep with an asari matriarch.

It's all in humanities best interest as he as the head of Cerberus is humanity.

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 29 avril 2012 - 03:16 .

[Arian Dynas]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

No need to get crispy with me laddybuck.

Besides, I'd be liable to jam that popsicle right up your.. *ehm*

It's just a theory, LOTS OF SPECULATION, remember?

Oddly enough, I was originally gonna tell you to remove the popsicle from your, *ehem*, and suck on it.

Plus, someone has to put you in your place before you decide to drop another 33K word wall of text in the thread. This time around, I don't know if the servers could handle it.

Sure they could, bring on the wall of text Arian! I've got one I've been saving up as well (repost of something I put up around 1400)

Unfortunately, with us slowly running out of evidence to find, we're moving more into the speculatory part of the whole thing. 

That and really the only two things I have right now are A. a revised ending script I'll treat you guys to later when I have the time to write it, and B. a comprehensive list of evidence, which I am not sure if I even want to bother finishing, because I am a lazy bastidge.

[Auralius Carolus]

Arian Dynas wrote...

No worries my friend, my place is very easy to remember.

It involves your nose being about 5 centimeters from my ass as we both climb a ladder. 

Potentially with your lips puckered.

Don't you know it's only safe to have one person on a ladder at a time?

Regardless, we all know who'd be doing the puckering up, princess...

[MegumiAzusa]

byne wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

marcelo_sdk wrote...

Yeah, I would like him to live, but an descent ending can be done even with Shepard dying.

And I was thinking: people almos didn't talk about TIM in the IDT. If it was an hallucination, what TIM is doing after all?

Likely proving to be a real threat to the Reapers. There was a reason the Reapers attacked Cerberus at the end of the game, it wasn't because they felt TIM was thoroughly under control.

Worst case scenario, (for the Reapers), TIM is right and links up with them, then is killed off by Shepard resulting in a galactic "Blue Screen of Death", similar to what Sovereign got in ME1.

Yknow, if TIM is indoctrinated, which the conversation with him on the Citadel seems to prove he is, why did the Reapers attack his facility on Sanctuary?

I mean, supposing he actually did figure out how to control the Reapers, why do they care? He's under their control, he's not going to actually do it.

So why attack his facility?

If the research succeeded Cerberus would have had a mean to override Reaper signals, thus leaving the one who activates it in control. This isn't necessarily TIM. If someone on the staff noticed because of the research that TIM is indoctrinated they might have broken the Reaper control.
Like Seran who researched indoctrination to prevent that he is being indoctrinated. But unlike Virmire Shep didn't intervene before the research was done.

[Rifneno]

byne wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

marcelo_sdk wrote...

Yeah, I would like him to live, but an descent ending can be done even with Shepard dying.

And I was thinking: people almos didn't talk about TIM in the IDT. If it was an hallucination, what TIM is doing after all?

Likely proving to be a real threat to the Reapers. There was a reason the Reapers attacked Cerberus at the end of the game, it wasn't because they felt TIM was thoroughly under control.

Worst case scenario, (for the Reapers), TIM is right and links up with them, then is killed off by Shepard resulting in a galactic "Blue Screen of Death", similar to what Sovereign got in ME1.

Yknow, if TIM is indoctrinated, which the conversation with him on the Citadel seems to prove he is, why did the Reapers attack his facility on Sanctuary?

I mean, supposing he actually did figure out how to control the Reapers, why do they care? He's under their control, he's not going to actually do it.

So why attack his facility?

What makes you think that's why they did it?  The place wasn't exactly a secret.  It had tons of people, and the Reapers hit populated areas.  I didn't see any actual Reapers at Santuary, just some altered organic slaves.

If the Reapers honestly considered Sanctuary a threat, it would be gone.  I don't mean it'd be broken down and full of monsters, I mean it would no longer exist.  Capital Ships would obliterate it.  Capital Ship main guns are estimated to have a maximum hit of about 450 kilotons.  And that's one hit from one Capital Ship.  The only thing Shepard would find is a mushroom cloud.

[Emperor_Ike]

Arian Dynas wrote...
Unfortunately, with us slowly running out of evidence to find, we're moving more into the speculatory part of the whole thing. 

That and really the only two things I have right now are A. a revised ending script I'll treat you guys to later when I have the time to write it, and B. a comprehensive list of evidence, which I am not sure if I even want to bother finishing, because I am a lazy bastidge.

Summon lex0r! This lazy bastidge needs motivation!

[Arian Dynas]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

No worries my friend, my place is very easy to remember.

It involves your nose being about 5 centimeters from my ass as we both climb a ladder. 

Potentially with your lips puckered.

Don't you know it's only safe to have one person on a ladder at a time?

Regardless, we all know who'd be doing the puckering up, princess...

*Snip*

You're making your dog pucker up to kiss my ass? Isn't PETA going to have complaints about that?

[Arian Dynas]

Rifneno wrote...

byne wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

marcelo_sdk wrote...

Yeah, I would like him to live, but an descent ending can be done even with Shepard dying.

And I was thinking: people almos didn't talk about TIM in the IDT. If it was an hallucination, what TIM is doing after all?

Likely proving to be a real threat to the Reapers. There was a reason the Reapers attacked Cerberus at the end of the game, it wasn't because they felt TIM was thoroughly under control.

Worst case scenario, (for the Reapers), TIM is right and links up with them, then is killed off by Shepard resulting in a galactic "Blue Screen of Death", similar to what Sovereign got in ME1.

Yknow, if TIM is indoctrinated, which the conversation with him on the Citadel seems to prove he is, why did the Reapers attack his facility on Sanctuary?

I mean, supposing he actually did figure out how to control the Reapers, why do they care? He's under their control, he's not going to actually do it.

So why attack his facility?

What makes you think that's why they did it?  The place wasn't exactly a secret.  It had tons of people, and the Reapers hit populated areas.  I didn't see any actual Reapers at Santuary, just some altered organic slaves.

If the Reapers honestly considered Sanctuary a threat, it would be gone.  I don't mean it'd be broken down and full of monsters, I mean it would no longer exist.  Capital Ships would obliterate it.  Capital Ship main guns are estimated to have a maximum hit of about 450 kilotons.  And that's one hit from one Capital Ship.  The only thing Shepard would find is a mushroom cloud.

More like irradiated dust, if you want to be picky.

[byne]

Yknow, this likely doesnt mean anything at all, but I find it interesting that in TIM's base, the room with the dead Reaper is all blue, and TIM's room is all red, and in between the blue room and the red room is a long green room.