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[Auralius Carolus]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

If the research succeeded Cerberus would have had a mean to override Reaper signals, thus leaving the one who activates it in control. This isn't necessarily TIM. If someone on the staff noticed because of the research that TIM is indoctrinated they might have broken the Reaper control.
Like Seran who researched indoctrination to prevent that he is being indoctrinated. But unlike Virmire Shep didn't intervene before the research was done.

Something worth noting is that the facility wasn't destroyed, nor were there any signs of systematic destruction of evidence outside of Cerberus protocols.

That strikes me as Cerberus hit on something that caught the Reapers off guard. They, themselves, may even have been interested in analyzing the information.

There is also the potential that the Reapers only had rudimentary information on the base and perhaps thought it to be simply an attempt to safeguard civilians through the cycle. That, however, seems less likely given the ingame dialogue which hints that the Reapers were acting defensively, (dialogue, usually being used as a tool for foreshadowing significant events or details otherwise left to speculation or overlooked entirely).

[Arian Dynas]

byne wrote...

Yknow, this likely doesnt mean anything at all, but I find it interesting that in TIM's base, the room with the dead Reaper is all blue, and TIM's room is all red, and in between the blue room and the red room is a long green room.

Why? Because Blue is the color of Reapers. Red is the color of Humanity (seriously look at ME1, color of the Alliance Ships? Red and White.) Green is the meeting of the two :happy:

[Auralius Carolus]

Arian Dynas wrote...
You're making your dog pucker up to kiss my ass? Isn't PETA going to have complaints about that?

Like I give a crap about PETA, and their twisted sense of things. Plus, it comes natural to dogs.

[Rifneno]

Arian Dynas wrote...

More like irradiated dust, if you want to be picky.

I don't remember much about how radiation works, if I ever learned in the first place. But I don't think so. Reaper guns aren't actually nuclear weapons, they just hit as hard as some of them. Unless radiation naturally occurs from any sufficiently powerful explosion (like a mushroom cloud does), then no.

byne wrote...

Yknow, this likely doesnt mean anything at all, but I find it interesting that in TIM's base, the room with the dead Reaper is all blue, and TIM's room is all red, and in between the blue room and the red room is a long green room.

The best part is, stuff doesn't work in the green room. No really. Try dropping a singularity or something. It just... doesn't work.

Even with painted rooms, green doesn't make any goddamn sense.

[Arian Dynas]

Rifneno wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

More like irradiated dust, if you want to be picky.

I don't remember much about how radiation works, if I ever learned in the first place. But I don't think so. Reaper guns aren't actually nuclear weapons, they just hit as hard as some of them. Unless radiation naturally occurs from any sufficiently powerful explosion (like a mushroom cloud does), then no.

Hyperbole, my friend. Hyperbole.

Modifié par Arian Dynas, 29 avril 2012 - 03:38 .

[Rifneno]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Hyperbole, my friend. Hyperbole.

What's a bole?

[Auralius Carolus]

Rifneno wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Hyperbole, my friend. Hyperbole.

What's a bole?

European Mouse-Thingy?

[MegumiAzusa]

Arian Dynas wrote...

byne wrote...

Yknow, this likely doesnt mean anything at all, but I find it interesting that in TIM's base, the room with the dead Reaper is all blue, and TIM's room is all red, and in between the blue room and the red room is a long green room.

Why? Because Blue is the color of Reapers. Red is the color of Humanity (seriously look at ME1, color of the Alliance Ships? Red and White.) Green is the meeting of the two :happy:

Red was in general the good-guy-color in ME1, Nihlus was red/black, Wrex is mostly red, you meet Tali in the red alleyway.
It actually felt strange, even on my first time I played ME1, that Garrus' color was blue and I didn't really trust him.
Even the council followed that rule, every member had at least something red on them.

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 29 avril 2012 - 03:43 .

[byne]

Ok, this part has always confused me:

Walk up and talk to Traynor

Traynor: I'm ready whenever you are, Commander.
Shepard: Specialist Traynor.
Traynor: I'm all right, really. I'm as surprised about it as you are, but I'm all right.
Shepard: You're a credit to your uniform, Samantha.
Traynor: I had a very compelling example.

The **** are they talking about?

[Arian Dynas]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Hyperbole, my friend. Hyperbole.

What's a bole?

European Mouse-Thingy?

*snip*

...

<_< Take a communications class sometime.

[HellishFiend]

Has anyone ever pointed out that there are two different possible expressions that TIM can have on his face after he shoots himself? In one, he has a pained look on his face, and in the other his face is completely emotionless. If no one else has noticed this, I can post screenshots.

[Eli Parker]

HellishFiend wrote...

Has anyone ever pointed out that there are two different possible expressions that TIM can have on his face after he shoots himself? In one, he has a pained look on his face, and in the other his face is completely emotionless. If no one else has noticed this, I can post screenshots.

Really, it would be neat if you post the screens in HD.

[Auralius Carolus]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Red was in general the good-guy-color in ME1, Nihlus was red/black, Wrex is mostly red, you meet Tali in the red alleyway.
It actually felt strange, even on my first time I played ME1, that Garrus' color was blue and I didn't really trust him.

I think red may have been used a bit more traditionally, being a color of violence, energy and oppression, (as far as red's negative aspects go). Nihlus turned out to be murderous rogue, (hidden backstory), Wrex was a violent loose canan and Tali was being harrassed and assulted when you find her.

And Garrus simply wore the very regal colors of C-Sec, even though he was hot tempered.

[Auralius Carolus]

Arian Dynas wrote...

<_< Take a communications class sometime.

Sure thing Mr. Red+Blue=Green.

[HellishFiend]

Not HD, but you can clearly see the difference:





edit: here are the vids I got the screens from, if anyone wants to see it in motion:

Modifié par HellishFiend, 29 avril 2012 - 03:53 .

[Eli Parker]

@HellishFiend

could that be because you chose Renagrade (top) vs Paragon (bottom)?

[HellishFiend]

In both cases the paragon options were chosen during the convo.

[Eli Parker]

@HellishFiend

Throughout the game did you chose only Renegade or Paragon when you spoke to TIM?

[DirtyPhoenix]

byne wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

marcelo_sdk wrote...

Yeah, I would like him to live, but an descent ending can be done even with Shepard dying.

And I was thinking: people almos didn't talk about TIM in the IDT. If it was an hallucination, what TIM is doing after all?

Likely proving to be a real threat to the Reapers. There was a reason the Reapers attacked Cerberus at the end of the game, it wasn't because they felt TIM was thoroughly under control.

Worst case scenario, (for the Reapers), TIM is right and links up with them, then is killed off by Shepard resulting in a galactic "Blue Screen of Death", similar to what Sovereign got in ME1.

Yknow, if TIM is indoctrinated, which the conversation with him on the Citadel seems to prove he is, why did the Reapers attack his facility on Sanctuary?

I mean, supposing he actually did figure out how to control the Reapers, why do they care? He's under their control, he's not going to actually do it.

So why attack his facility?

yeah that was what I was thinking last night while playing through Horizon; If they controlled TIM why is it necessary to attack that place? Are the reapers like: ok, thats enough, time to pack up, child..?

[Xavendithas]

byne wrote...

Yknow, I was thinking.

Being based on Reaper tech, shouldnt EDI know at least a bit about the Reapers' motives?

She just told my Shep that 'The Reapers are repulsive. They are devoted to nothing but self-preservation.'

Thats sort of the vibe you get from talking to Sovereign too, back before Shepard proved herself to be a threat to the Reapers. After you kill Sovereign, all the Reapers (including godchild) that you talk to seem to indicate that they are doing you a favor by ascending you, trying to convince you they are doing the right thing.

If the Reapers are indeed devoted to nothing but self-preservation, it would make sense to try and convince the one person who has a chance of stopping them that they are in fact trying to help them, not trying to wipe out all organics.

I remember EDI mentioning in ME2 that there were hidden subroutines in her programming. Stuff she did not know the purpose for and could not know the purpose for until they were unlocked(by the Illusive Man I always assumed). Is it ever established if these lines of code she talks about are ever activated? Is it to be assumed that they were unlocked by Joker when the Normandy was under attack by the Collectors?

The bit about EDI being based on Reaper tech got me thinking about discussions about what exactly could be the indoctrination device aboard the Normandy. Could it be possible that EDI herself, in the new body specifically could be the indoctrination device? I always found it more than a little curious that she developed this sudden desire to see things from a different perspective and quite a bit suspicious considering she had to merge with the program controlling the body she took over.

[byne]

Xavendithas wrote...

I remember EDI mentioning in ME2 that there were hidden subroutines in her programming. Stuff she did not know the purpose for and could not know the purpose for until they were unlocked(by the Illusive Man I always assumed). Is it ever established if these lines of code she talks about are ever activated? Is it to be assumed that they were unlocked by Joker when the Normandy was under attack by the Collectors?

The bit about EDI being based on Reaper tech got me thinking about discussions about what exactly could be the indoctrination device aboard the Normandy. Could it be possible that EDI herself, in the new body specifically could be the indoctrination device? I always found it more than a little curious that she developed this sudden desire to see things from a different perspective and quite a bit suspicious considering she had to merge with the program controlling the body she took over.

EDI actually tells you about the subroutines and stuff if you talk to her after Joker unshackles her.

As for her being the indoctrination source, its possible, but I tend to think she isnt, mostly because I like EDI too much.

[lex0r11]

Emperor_Ike wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...
Unfortunately, with us slowly running out of evidence to find, we're moving more into the speculatory part of the whole thing. 

That and really the only two things I have right now are A. a revised ending script I'll treat you guys to later when I have the time to write it, and B. a comprehensive list of evidence, which I am not sure if I even want to bother finishing, because I am a lazy bastidge.

Summon lex0r! This lazy bastidge needs motivation!

*way too late over here in europe*

Wa.. wha.. what?

Oh. Uhm. Come on, man! Who else is going to slap those Prothean VI asking fools with a wall of text in the face?!
This is a team, Arian. A team! Come on, get yourself together. We can't do this without you!

*passes out again due to intoxication*





Now it's TWO PICTURES in one post. TWO IN ONE.

T W O   I N   O N E


*can't take the crazy anymore*

Modifié par lex0r11, 29 avril 2012 - 04:00 .

[Arian Dynas]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

<_< Take a communications class sometime.

Sure thing Mr. Red+Blue=Green.

*gets out his claymore again*

ANywho, Linguistics paper done.

You know, for only 4 pages in length, the damn thing was hell. I am so glad I am not a linguist. I am purely sick of this ****. I hate reading "Scholarly journals", especially when all we are talking about is how some jagoff from Milawaukee says "bite"

Writing an anthropological and a philosophical paper will be a vacation after this.

[Xavendithas]

byne wrote...

Xavendithas wrote...

I remember EDI mentioning in ME2 that there were hidden subroutines in her programming. Stuff she did not know the purpose for and could not know the purpose for until they were unlocked(by the Illusive Man I always assumed). Is it ever established if these lines of code she talks about are ever activated? Is it to be assumed that they were unlocked by Joker when the Normandy was under attack by the Collectors?

The bit about EDI being based on Reaper tech got me thinking about discussions about what exactly could be the indoctrination device aboard the Normandy. Could it be possible that EDI herself, in the new body specifically could be the indoctrination device? I always found it more than a little curious that she developed this sudden desire to see things from a different perspective and quite a bit suspicious considering she had to merge with the program controlling the body she took over.

EDI actually tells you about the subroutines and stuff if you talk to her after Joker unshackles her.

As for her being the indoctrination source, its possible, but I tend to think she isnt, mostly because I like EDI too much.

I guess I could never bring myself to trust her completely after assuming control of the other program. I should probably go back and check out ME2 again, I don't remember the conversations about being unshackled.

[Xavendithas]

HellishFiend wrote...

Not HD, but you can clearly see the difference:





edit: here are the vids I got the screens from, if anyone wants to see it in motion:

Did you take different conversation paths leading up to his suicide? I've only played through the scene once.
That's kind of freaky.

Modifié par Xavendithas, 29 avril 2012 - 04:03 .