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Rifneno wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

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Guys, has anyone come up with a logical explanation as to why in the endings, Shepard is limping, but as soon as she gets to the business end she stands straight (or start running) as if all the injuries suddenly disappeared? The transition from limping to marathon run is just too abrupt to believe they did that to make the ending look good. If they wanted to set up an epic ending they could have done that without magic-healing shepard's injuries.


Bump :|


Ahh, I see what you're getting at.  You're right, this game needed way more Legion.


Needs way more Grunt and Wrex imo that laugh Grunt dose makes me giddy I miss my Krogan puppy :(


Yeah, we could use more krogan.  Well, more of those two.  Less of Wreav and his barely sentient ilk.  Mom clearly had a red sand problem when she was pregnant with Wreav.  Though even Grunt and Wrex really should lay off the "rachni!  kill it!  for being rachni!"  Guys, it was 2,000 years ago and they were indoctrinated.  I'm a big fan of grudges, really I am, but there's a time to let go.

On the other side of the coin, at least they didn't have Grunt or Wrex die just as an excuse for why they couldn't be a squad member again.  :crying:

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[...a wall of text, but a great one...]


Thanks, I really like that. If they decide to go without gameplay, then they should immediately give you a call :)

The only thing that I found a bit odd was the bunker-thing. I don't have an immediate idea how it could be improved, but I was a bit surprised that the Council wouldn't know when C-Sec builds large fortified rooms on the Citadel.

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Rifneno wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

Guys, has anyone come up with a logical explanation as to why in the endings, Shepard is limping, but as soon as she gets to the business end she stands straight (or start running) as if all the injuries suddenly disappeared? The transition from limping to marathon run is just too abrupt to believe they did that to make the ending look good. If they wanted to set up an epic ending they could have done that without magic-healing shepard's injuries.


Bump :|


Ahh, I see what you're getting at.  You're right, this game needed way more Legion.


Needs way more Grunt and Wrex imo that laugh Grunt dose makes me giddy I miss my Krogan puppy :(


Yeah, we could use more krogan.  Well, more of those two.  Less of Wreav and his barely sentient ilk.  Mom clearly had a red sand problem when she was pregnant with Wreav.  Though even Grunt and Wrex really should lay off the "rachni!  kill it!  for being rachni!"  Guys, it was 2,000 years ago and they were indoctrinated.  I'm a big fan of grudges, really I am, but there's a time to let go.

On the other side of the coin, at least they didn't have Grunt or Wrex die just as an excuse for why they couldn't be a squad member again.  :crying:


I honestly thought he was going to die the first time I saw that scene still ball my eyes out everytime it was sooo grunt lol

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Rosewind wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

Guys, has anyone come up with a logical explanation as to why in the endings, Shepard is limping, but as soon as she gets to the business end she stands straight (or start running) as if all the injuries suddenly disappeared? The transition from limping to marathon run is just too abrupt to believe they did that to make the ending look good. If they wanted to set up an epic ending they could have done that without magic-healing shepard's injuries.


Bump :|


Ahh, I see what you're getting at.  You're right, this game needed way more Legion.


Needs way more Grunt and Wrex imo that laugh Grunt dose makes me giddy I miss my Krogan puppy :(


Yeah, we could use more krogan.  Well, more of those two.  Less of Wreav and his barely sentient ilk.  Mom clearly had a red sand problem when she was pregnant with Wreav.  Though even Grunt and Wrex really should lay off the "rachni!  kill it!  for being rachni!"  Guys, it was 2,000 years ago and they were indoctrinated.  I'm a big fan of grudges, really I am, but there's a time to let go.

On the other side of the coin, at least they didn't have Grunt or Wrex die just as an excuse for why they couldn't be a squad member again.  :crying:


I honestly thought he was going to die the first time I saw that scene still ball my eyes out everytime it was sooo grunt lol


Seeing Grunt almost die was the first (manly) teary-eyes moment in the game for me. What happens if grunt isn't loyal in ME2 and survives? I presume he never makes it out alive?

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pirate1802 wrote...

Guys, has anyone come up with a logical explanation as to why in the endings, Shepard is limping, but as soon as she gets to the business end she stands straight (or start running) as if all the injuries suddenly disappeared? The transition from limping to marathon run is just too abrupt to believe they did that to make the ending look good. If they wanted to set up an epic ending they could have done that without magic-healing shepard's injuries.

The biggest question is why would Shepard even be limping toward an explosion let alone suddenly start running into it.

Me: Damn, conduit is exploding!, I best duck back out of the way.
Shepard: ooh, pretty fireworks, must get a closer look.

Modifié par DJBare, 29 avril 2012 - 02:07 .


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pirate1802 wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

Guys, has anyone come up with a logical explanation as to why in the endings, Shepard is limping, but as soon as she gets to the business end she stands straight (or start running) as if all the injuries suddenly disappeared? The transition from limping to marathon run is just too abrupt to believe they did that to make the ending look good. If they wanted to set up an epic ending they could have done that without magic-healing shepard's injuries.


Bump :|


Ahh, I see what you're getting at.  You're right, this game needed way more Legion.


Needs way more Grunt and Wrex imo that laugh Grunt dose makes me giddy I miss my Krogan puppy :(


Yeah, we could use more krogan.  Well, more of those two.  Less of Wreav and his barely sentient ilk.  Mom clearly had a red sand problem when she was pregnant with Wreav.  Though even Grunt and Wrex really should lay off the "rachni!  kill it!  for being rachni!"  Guys, it was 2,000 years ago and they were indoctrinated.  I'm a big fan of grudges, really I am, but there's a time to let go.

On the other side of the coin, at least they didn't have Grunt or Wrex die just as an excuse for why they couldn't be a squad member again.  :crying:


I honestly thought he was going to die the first time I saw that scene still ball my eyes out everytime it was sooo grunt lol


Seeing Grunt almost die was the first (manly) teary-eyes moment in the game for me. What happens if grunt isn't loyal in ME2 and survives? I presume he never makes it out alive?


Yeah, he dies if he isn't loyal.

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Dwailing wrote...

*Snip*

Yeah, he dies if he isn't loyal.


People who didn't do his loyalty quest probably didn't care that he died then in ME 3

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Using flycam (is that allowed?):
Shepard's stomach is squeaky clean before hitting the beam, no wound there at all
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Shepard's shoulder after being hit by Marauder Shields (he was hit on his right shoulder right?)
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So, I'm thinking Bioware didnt bother to show a wound that we clearly see being inflicted. BUT they did show explicitly, a mysterious wound that happens to be at the same place where he shot Anderson...

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DJBare wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

Guys, has anyone come up with a logical explanation as to why in the endings, Shepard is limping, but as soon as she gets to the business end she stands straight (or start running) as if all the injuries suddenly disappeared? The transition from limping to marathon run is just too abrupt to believe they did that to make the ending look good. If they wanted to set up an epic ending they could have done that without magic-healing shepard's injuries.

The biggest question is why would Shepard even be limping toward an explosion let alone suddenly start running into it.

Me: Damn, conduit is exploding!, I best duck back out of the way.
Shepard: ooh, pretty fireworks, must get a closer look.


You could say from a face value point of view that Shepard gave his all out, ignoring all pain and injuries to finally end the Reapers.

You can also say in the IT point of view that Shepard would be waking up soon, so there is no point to masking the illusion anymore.

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Ch1m3Ra wrote...

DJBare wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

Guys, has anyone come up with a logical explanation as to why in the endings, Shepard is limping, but as soon as she gets to the business end she stands straight (or start running) as if all the injuries suddenly disappeared? The transition from limping to marathon run is just too abrupt to believe they did that to make the ending look good. If they wanted to set up an epic ending they could have done that without magic-healing shepard's injuries.

The biggest question is why would Shepard even be limping toward an explosion let alone suddenly start running into it.

Me: Damn, conduit is exploding!, I best duck back out of the way.
Shepard: ooh, pretty fireworks, must get a closer look.


You could say from a face value point of view that Shepard gave his all out, ignoring all pain and injuries to finally end the Reapers.

You can also say in the IT point of view that Shepard would be waking up soon, so there is no point to masking the illusion anymore.

From a IT you can say the same, remember Shep only wakes up in destroy, making it she gave all her strength but for the wrong idea and dies as a result.

I would rather ask what the name "Guardian" for the child in the game files could mean. Also notice when you first see Shep there she is back in the state of entering the beam and looks like in some kind of stasis or dream as she kneels and only moves her head until the Guardian says "wake up" or "why are you here" depending on EMS.
Also why the Guardian adds extra stuff to make destroy bad when you have lower EMS.

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 29 avril 2012 - 02:43 .


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Ch1m3Ra wrote...

DJBare wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

Guys, has anyone come up with a logical explanation as to why in the endings, Shepard is limping, but as soon as she gets to the business end she stands straight (or start running) as if all the injuries suddenly disappeared? The transition from limping to marathon run is just too abrupt to believe they did that to make the ending look good. If they wanted to set up an epic ending they could have done that without magic-healing shepard's injuries.

The biggest question is why would Shepard even be limping toward an explosion let alone suddenly start running into it.

Me: Damn, conduit is exploding!, I best duck back out of the way.
Shepard: ooh, pretty fireworks, must get a closer look.


You could say from a face value point of view that Shepard gave his all out, ignoring all pain and injuries to finally end the Reapers.

You can also say in the IT point of view that Shepard would be waking up soon, so there is no point to masking the illusion anymore.


Dunno, it appeared very odd. I noticed it in my very first playthrough, struck me as extremely odd. Didn't seem like he was making one last ditch effort, seemed more like suddenly his pain dissapeared.

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pirate1802 wrote...

Ch1m3Ra wrote...

DJBare wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

Guys, has anyone come up with a logical explanation as to why in the endings, Shepard is limping, but as soon as she gets to the business end she stands straight (or start running) as if all the injuries suddenly disappeared? The transition from limping to marathon run is just too abrupt to believe they did that to make the ending look good. If they wanted to set up an epic ending they could have done that without magic-healing shepard's injuries.

The biggest question is why would Shepard even be limping toward an explosion let alone suddenly start running into it.

Me: Damn, conduit is exploding!, I best duck back out of the way.
Shepard: ooh, pretty fireworks, must get a closer look.


You could say from a face value point of view that Shepard gave his all out, ignoring all pain and injuries to finally end the Reapers.

You can also say in the IT point of view that Shepard would be waking up soon, so there is no point to masking the illusion anymore.


Dunno, it appeared very odd. I noticed it in my very first playthrough, struck me as extremely odd. Didn't seem like he was making one last ditch effort, seemed more like suddenly his pain dissapeared.

For destroy, yes, but not for synthesis.

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

Ch1m3Ra wrote...

DJBare wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

Guys, has anyone come up with a logical explanation as to why in the endings, Shepard is limping, but as soon as she gets to the business end she stands straight (or start running) as if all the injuries suddenly disappeared? The transition from limping to marathon run is just too abrupt to believe they did that to make the ending look good. If they wanted to set up an epic ending they could have done that without magic-healing shepard's injuries.

The biggest question is why would Shepard even be limping toward an explosion let alone suddenly start running into it.

Me: Damn, conduit is exploding!, I best duck back out of the way.
Shepard: ooh, pretty fireworks, must get a closer look.


You could say from a face value point of view that Shepard gave his all out, ignoring all pain and injuries to finally end the Reapers.

You can also say in the IT point of view that Shepard would be waking up soon, so there is no point to masking the illusion anymore.


Dunno, it appeared very odd. I noticed it in my very first playthrough, struck me as extremely odd. Didn't seem like he was making one last ditch effort, seemed more like suddenly his pain dissapeared.

For destroy, yes, but not for synthesis.


I think he look kinda euphoric in synthesis.

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In synthesis he breaks into a marathon run :| How can someone who was limping microseconds ago do that?

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In synthesis he breaks into a marathon run :| How can someone who was limping microseconds ago do that?


Adrenaline makes you do some crazy things.

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maybe, but the destroy ending didnt look like there was any adrenaline at play, he just walks to the tube. Looked very deliberate.

Modifié par pirate1802, 29 avril 2012 - 03:00 .


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Rosewind wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

In synthesis he breaks into a marathon run :| How can someone who was limping microseconds ago do that?


Adrenaline makes you do some crazy things.

And you know where adrenaline is used in, right? :P

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

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In synthesis he breaks into a marathon run :| How can someone who was limping microseconds ago do that?


Adrenaline makes you do some crazy things.

And you know where adrenaline is used in, right? :P


Thats why I said crazy :P

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Yeah, in Synthesis he smiled. Thinking now, it's very strange.

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Sometimes I feel we are overanalyzing things :/

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Is it a bird?, is it a plane?, No!. It's SuperAnderson!

Note the shots hitting the console, but that tough old bird Anderson totally ignores any shots hitting him, oh wait, no shots are hitting him!, is Anderson real?, well that's the question.

Modifié par DJBare, 29 avril 2012 - 03:08 .


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marcelo_sdk wrote...

Yeah, in Synthesis he smiled. Thinking now, it's very strange.


Like I said strangely euphoric like the drugs just kicked in or something.

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DJBare wrote...

Is it a bird?, is it a plane?, No!. It's SuperAnderson!

Note the shots hitting the console, but that tough old bird Anderson totally ignores any shots hitting him, oh wait, no shots are hitting him!, is Anderson real?, well that's the question.

You're not able to hit any NPC's in the ME series, c'mon now.

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Rosewind wrote...

marcelo_sdk wrote...

Yeah, in Synthesis he smiled. Thinking now, it's very strange.


Like I said strangely euphoric like the drugs just kicked in or something.


The Indoctrination is fully working by that time and Shepard's now really convinced that this is the best ending.

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Baldsake wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Is it a bird?, is it a plane?, No!. It's SuperAnderson!

Note the shots hitting the console, but that tough old bird Anderson totally ignores any shots hitting him, oh wait, no shots are hitting him!, is Anderson real?, well that's the question.

You're not able to hit any NPC's in the ME series, c'mon now.


True.