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[Dwailing]

lex0r11 wrote...

Think about it. Mass Effect always used preset weapons and armor. I don't believe this has any other purpose than to make programing the scenes more efficient.

Yeah, that's what I originally thought.  I'm just saying that it seems kind of weird in the context of the game.  However, it's not weird when you think about the amount of time they would have had to put in in order to model damaged versions of all the armor pieces and sets. 

[DJBare]

IronSabbath88 wrote...

chevyguy87 wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

It all makes sense!  Why do people STILL not agree with IT?  IT is the only ending theory that makes any sort of sense and is supported by evidence.

The reason that I can come up with about why people still don't agree with it is because Bioware claimed that the IT was never intended as a viable means to the end that it was just fan fiction.

Personally this "fan fiction" has to be the most researched matter I have witnessed to date. The is just loads of evidence that proves the IT to be valid but we will see come summer time.

BioWare never claimed such a thing. They won't talk about IT at all.

Final Hours app begs to differ

[NeoDobby]

DJBare wrote...

balance5050 wrote...
The other thing that bugs me about the keepers is that they are doing something to the bodies. I always assumed that the keepers had ONE job, and that was to upkeep the citadel as far as repairs and organization. Even if processing bodies is some latent keeper function, the Protheans rewired the keepers to no longer respond to the reapers' signal.

You know that some duct rats are never seen again right, as Thane explains them, the unseen, on a station with a population counted in the millions people go missing, it's treated as a normal missing person case.

"Emily Wong,
a reporter for the Citadel NewsNet, reports that Danaria Keris, a
sanitation worker working in the ward, had failed to report when her
shift ended. Her assignment was near the Keepers
area of the ward, and the authorities fear she may have been
transported to the protein vats for recycling. Later, Wong announces her
body was found, and C-Sec suspects foul play.
"

masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Wards

[WinterCrow]

DJBare wrote...

balance5050 wrote...
The other thing that bugs me about the keepers is that they are doing something to the bodies. I always assumed that the keepers had ONE job, and that was to upkeep the citadel as far as repairs and organization. Even if processing bodies is some latent keeper function, the Protheans rewired the keepers to no longer respond to the reapers' signal.

You know that some duct rats are never seen again right, as Thane explains them, the unseen, on a station with a population counted in the millions people go missing, it's treated as a normal missing person case.

Now that you guys are talking about the keepers I realized something. How the hell do they fit in the reaper's plan? Aren't they organic? They seem to be OK with technology and stuff like that, and if memory serves me they can communicate between them, somehow. Are they just another indoctrinated race, like the collectors?

Just what are they really?

[IronSabbath88]

DJBare wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

chevyguy87 wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

It all makes sense!  Why do people STILL not agree with IT?  IT is the only ending theory that makes any sort of sense and is supported by evidence.

The reason that I can come up with about why people still don't agree with it is because Bioware claimed that the IT was never intended as a viable means to the end that it was just fan fiction.

Personally this "fan fiction" has to be the most researched matter I have witnessed to date. The is just loads of evidence that proves the IT to be valid but we will see come summer time.

BioWare never claimed such a thing. They won't talk about IT at all.

Final Hours app begs to differ

How does that say that they flat out deny IT? If anything that sounds more like IT. They couldn't implement the gameplay mechanic, so they did it as one long cutscene.

[llbountyhunter]

WinterCrow wrote...

DJBare wrote...

balance5050 wrote...
The other thing that bugs me about the keepers is that they are doing something to the bodies. I always assumed that the keepers had ONE job, and that was to upkeep the citadel as far as repairs and organization. Even if processing bodies is some latent keeper function, the Protheans rewired the keepers to no longer respond to the reapers' signal.

You know that some duct rats are never seen again right, as Thane explains them, the unseen, on a station with a population counted in the millions people go missing, it's treated as a normal missing person case.

Now that you guys are talking about the keepers I realized something. How the hell do they fit in the reaper's plan? Aren't they organic? They seem to be OK with technology and stuff like that, and if memory serves me they can communicate between them, somehow. Are they just another indoctrinated race, like the collectors?

Just what are they really?

yeah there probably like the collectors... also there not  fully organic, there a hybrid between organics and synthetics. (synthesis?)

Modifié par llbountyhunter, 29 avril 2012 - 05:29 .

[spotlessvoid]

Just got a chance to read your rewrite Arian.
Simply fantastic. Thanks a ton for taking the time to get that done. I hope Bioware has something even half as well thought out planned

[MegumiAzusa]

DJBare wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

chevyguy87 wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

It all makes sense!  Why do people STILL not agree with IT?  IT is the only ending theory that makes any sort of sense and is supported by evidence.

The reason that I can come up with about why people still don't agree with it is because Bioware claimed that the IT was never intended as a viable means to the end that it was just fan fiction.

Personally this "fan fiction" has to be the most researched matter I have witnessed to date. The is just loads of evidence that proves the IT to be valid but we will see come summer time.

BioWare never claimed such a thing. They won't talk about IT at all.

Final Hours app begs to differ

It only states it was dropped that you suddenly loose control, it is never stated that the idea behind the scene - Shep getting controlled - is cut. Also Shep shooting at Anderson is clear evidence she is controlled in one way or another.

[DJBare]

IronSabbath88 wrote...

How does that say that they flat out deny IT? If anything that sounds more like IT. They couldn't implement the gameplay mechanic, so they did it as one long cutscene.

Sorry, misread your post.

[paxxton]

DJBare wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

chevyguy87 wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

It all makes sense!  Why do people STILL not agree with IT?  IT is the only ending theory that makes any sort of sense and is supported by evidence.

The reason that I can come up with about why people still don't agree with it is because Bioware claimed that the IT was never intended as a viable means to the end that it was just fan fiction.

Personally this "fan fiction" has to be the most researched matter I have witnessed to date. The is just loads of evidence that proves the IT to be valid but we will see come summer time.

BioWare never claimed such a thing. They won't talk about IT at all.

Final Hours app begs to differ

There are numerous such sequences in Mass Effect games and they say that they were unable to do it with the ending?

Modifié par paxxton, 29 avril 2012 - 05:44 .

[Dwailing]

DJBare wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

chevyguy87 wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

It all makes sense!  Why do people STILL not agree with IT?  IT is the only ending theory that makes any sort of sense and is supported by evidence.

The reason that I can come up with about why people still don't agree with it is because Bioware claimed that the IT was never intended as a viable means to the end that it was just fan fiction.

Personally this "fan fiction" has to be the most researched matter I have witnessed to date. The is just loads of evidence that proves the IT to be valid but we will see come summer time.

BioWare never claimed such a thing. They won't talk about IT at all.

Final Hours app begs to differ

I actually think this might SUPPORT IT.  It says that BW was considering a sequence where the player was unable to control Shepard thanks to indoctrination.  They ultimately removed the gameplay, but this says they at least CONSIDERED indoctination in the ending before release.  It's not too much of a stretch to think that they still did indoctrination, just without a gameplay sequence where you lose control of Shepard.

[llbountyhunter]

DJBare wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

chevyguy87 wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

It all makes sense!  Why do people STILL not agree with IT?  IT is the only ending theory that makes any sort of sense and is supported by evidence.

The reason that I can come up with about why people still don't agree with it is because Bioware claimed that the IT was never intended as a viable means to the end that it was just fan fiction.

Personally this "fan fiction" has to be the most researched matter I have witnessed to date. The is just loads of evidence that proves the IT to be valid but we will see come summer time.

BioWare never claimed such a thing. They won't talk about IT at all.

Final Hours app begs to differ

it sounds like they cut out the "assuming direct control" thing, but not the indoctrination process. I feel this is a very major point toward IT because it means they were seriously considering adding a form of indoctrination of shepard.

[balance5050]

IronSabbath88 wrote...

How does that say that they flat out deny IT? If anything that sounds more like IT. They couldn't implement the gameplay mechanic, so they did it as one long cutscene.

I don't think he's saying that it denies it. I think that he's saying that Bioware has mentioned indoctrination before, he's basically agreeing with you.

[Dwailing]

 Wow, I'm beginning to think that the Final Hours app might actually be BW's way of giving us, dare I say it, hope.

[llbountyhunter]

 wow, what a reaction to that final hourse app post. 

[IronSabbath88]

Okay guys, we can relax now.. he said he misunderstood me.. lol

[DJBare]

IronSabbath88 wrote...

Okay guys, we can relax now.. he said he misunderstood me.. lol

Got them to finally notice it though

[MegumiAzusa]

WinterCrow wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Btw one said Shep is holding her stomach before the TIM scene: she does while coughing, it's like you're ill and have problems coughing or pain in the stomach while doing so, doesn't mean anything.

I've replayed the scene a few times now and he's not holding anything before the TIM scene. Maybe once while he gets up or so, but never while he walks, speaks or anything.

All 3 idle animations, the last one is Shep holding her stomach.

[Dwailing]

DJBare wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

Okay guys, we can relax now.. he said he misunderstood me.. lol

Got them to finally notice it though

What can I say, it's been a while since we saw the Final Hours post. 

[llbountyhunter]

llbountyhunter wrote...

WinterCrow wrote...

DJBare wrote...

balance5050 wrote...
The other thing that bugs me about the keepers is that they are doing something to the bodies. I always assumed that the keepers had ONE job, and that was to upkeep the citadel as far as repairs and organization. Even if processing bodies is some latent keeper function, the Protheans rewired the keepers to no longer respond to the reapers' signal.

You know that some duct rats are never seen again right, as Thane explains them, the unseen, on a station with a population counted in the millions people go missing, it's treated as a normal missing person case.

Now that you guys are talking about the keepers I realized something. How the hell do they fit in the reaper's plan? Aren't they organic? They seem to be OK with technology and stuff like that, and if memory serves me they can communicate between them, somehow. Are they just another indoctrinated race, like the collectors?

Just what are they really?

yeah there probably like the collectors... also there not  fully organic, there a hybrid between organics and synthetics. (synthesis?)

just want to add somethig more (wouldve edited it, but I feard it would getting lost thanks the final hours post...)

could they have also added the keepers in that corridor as a reminder of what happens when organic and synthetics are fused? maybe they were another failed race that chose synthesis.

and (this might be stretching it) some protheans actually got to the panel and chose control?resulting in the collectors?  javik makes it sound like that would be the option that the protheans would choose...

[Dwailing]

llbountyhunter wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

WinterCrow wrote...

DJBare wrote...

balance5050 wrote...
The other thing that bugs me about the keepers is that they are doing something to the bodies. I always assumed that the keepers had ONE job, and that was to upkeep the citadel as far as repairs and organization. Even if processing bodies is some latent keeper function, the Protheans rewired the keepers to no longer respond to the reapers' signal.

You know that some duct rats are never seen again right, as Thane explains them, the unseen, on a station with a population counted in the millions people go missing, it's treated as a normal missing person case.

Now that you guys are talking about the keepers I realized something. How the hell do they fit in the reaper's plan? Aren't they organic? They seem to be OK with technology and stuff like that, and if memory serves me they can communicate between them, somehow. Are they just another indoctrinated race, like the collectors?

Just what are they really?

yeah there probably like the collectors... also there not  fully organic, there a hybrid between organics and synthetics. (synthesis?)

just want to add somethig more (wouldve edited it, but I feard it would getting lost thanks the final hours post...)

could they have also added the keepers in that corridor as a reminder of what happens when organic and synthetics are fused? maybe they were another failed race that chose synthesis.

and (this might be stretching it) some protheans actually got to the panel and chose control?resulting in the collectors?  javik makes it sound like that would be the option that the protheans would choose...

That almost sounds like it would imply that the choices are real.  However, you might be on to something with the Keepers.  I think it is mentioned that they are also organic synthetic hybrids.  Maybe (and this probably IS stretching but I figure it's worth putting out there) they are there as a warning to not take synthesis.

[balance5050]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

WinterCrow wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Btw one said Shep is holding her stomach before the TIM scene: she does while coughing, it's like you're ill and have problems coughing or pain in the stomach while doing so, doesn't mean anything.

I've replayed the scene a few times now and he's not holding anything before the TIM scene. Maybe once while he gets up or so, but never while he walks, speaks or anything.

All 3 idle animations, the last one is Shep holding her stomach.

Regardless of that, the bullet hole and blood doesn't appear until after Anderson dies. Not that you don't already know that, I just want to emphasize that; before Anderson there's no bullethole, but after Anderson, there's a big bloody one.

[DJBare]

Dwailing wrote...

That almost sounds like it would imply that the choices are real.

The choices are real, but viewed with "rose tinted glasses"; that's IT, a real world viewed with a different perspective, I know I've said this before, but I'll repeat TIM's last words "It's perfect"; he states this in reference to earth, but at that moment earth is still being ravaged by the Reapers, TIM sees perfection because that's what the Reapers want him to see.

[estebanus]

You know, a lot of people say that the final hours app disproves the IT, but ultimately, it doesn't. As a matter of fact, the way that Bioware said that the sequence was dropped, NOT the idea, actually says a lot IMO. It could even lend more credence to the IT!

Modifié par estebanus, 29 avril 2012 - 05:51 .

[estebanus]

DJBare wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

That almost sounds like it would imply that the choices are real.

The choices are real, but viewed with "rose tinted glasses"; that's IT, a real world viewed with a different perspective, I know I've said this before, but I'll repeat TIM's last words "It's perfect"; he states this in reference to earth, but at that moment earth is still being ravaged by the Reapers, TIM sees perfection because that's what the Reapers want him to see.

Or, he sees perfection the way the reapers do: An entire galaxy being "ascended" to a new existance.

Modifié par estebanus, 29 avril 2012 - 05:53 .