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Rifneno wrote...

marcelo_sdk wrote...

I think Kelly is mentioned. Kasumi I don't know cause he didn't die in my save. But I agree that we had too few conversations.

In fact, I was expecting a longer game. I imagined sometihing like 60h with all the prority and side missions.


I'm sure it's just a pipe dream, but a few people have suggested EC may not be as short as we expect, noting that there's strangely quite a few star clusters that the game has programed in but are never named let alone visited.  And they are taking an awful long time on EC.  Still, I doubt it because... well, I'm not what you'd call an optimist.  But the possibility is there.  I suppose.


Yeah there are quite a few locked start systems, infact in my first playthrough I'd try unsuccessfully to go to them, not realising they are locked :S And the time they have been taking for EC, don't you think its a little too much for just some cutscenes? But yeah those locked star systems maybe unlocked in other DLCs too like retake omega or watever..

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pirate1802 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

marcelo_sdk wrote...

I think Kelly is mentioned. Kasumi I don't know cause he didn't die in my save. But I agree that we had too few conversations.

In fact, I was expecting a longer game. I imagined sometihing like 60h with all the prority and side missions.


I'm sure it's just a pipe dream, but a few people have suggested EC may not be as short as we expect, noting that there's strangely quite a few star clusters that the game has programed in but are never named let alone visited.  And they are taking an awful long time on EC.  Still, I doubt it because... well, I'm not what you'd call an optimist.  But the possibility is there.  I suppose.


Yeah there are quite a few locked start systems, infact in my first playthrough I'd try unsuccessfully to go to them, not realising they are locked :S And the time they have been taking for EC, don't you think its a little too much for just some cutscenes? But yeah those locked star systems maybe unlocked in other DLCs too like retake omega or watever..


Does anyone know what the locked systems are? Are they new, or are they places we've been to in ME1 or 2? I know they're not named, but can anyone tell by position?

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I'll have a look and tell you.

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So anything new since yesterday?

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Ok back again after 24h of no BSN ^^. SOmthing new yesterday ?

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Good morning from Germany! Anything new?

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No, no and no.

For the most part the thread is on sleep mode. I suggested a few ideas a while back but no one is in the mood to discuss.

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estebanus wrote...

Baldsake wrote...

DJBare wrote...

This one is very obvious so I'm guessing it may have already been bought up in this sizeable thread

www.youtube.com/watch

Notice what happens to the oily whisps just before the renegade interrupt.

What's also weird is how Anderson just kneels down to get shot without even putting up some sort of fight.. I know he just got shot but still.



Also that he doesn't even act as if he's wounded!


Yep, anyone who plays MP knows that when you're wounded, you need to let everyone know!

WOUNDED! LOST SHIELDS! INJURED! I'M DOWWWN! BLEEDIN' OUT!



pirate1802 wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...
Using flycam (is that allowed?):Shepard's stomach is squeaky clean before hitting the beam, no wound there at allPosted Image
Shepard's shoulder after being hit by Marauder Shields (he was hit on his right shoulder right?)Posted Image
So, I'm thinking Bioware didnt bother to show a wound that we clearly see being inflicted. BUT they did show explicitly, a mysterious wound that happens to be at the same place where he shot Anderson...

This post of mine was lost in the melee :S


If you can flycam around that scene, can you go far away from the area and see what kind of stuff is around the edges? The blur makes it hard to see far out into the distance. 


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You know, speaking of Shep's armor, does anyone else think it's weird that the destroyed armor quite clearly takes the form of his default N7 armor without taking any of his armor choices into account?  I mean, it could have just been something to save time, but it still seems weird.


I've thought about this too, and there's a couple of ways we can look at it. First, you can write it off because of the fact that breath scene is pre-rendered, meaning they'd have no choice but to make Shepard wear whatever is going to be in that scene. But that raises the question, why is the breath scene pre-rendered? Granted, a lot of the scenes towards the end of the game are, but they all involve space. The breath scene may be one of the only scenes in the game that is prerendered and doesnt involve space in some way. That might be specifically so that it cant be flycammed and used as definitive proof of Shepard's surroundings in that scene. 

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Rifneno wrote...

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

God, so many stupid people just bashing the IT without any hard facts or reasons behind there stance on it on the other forums. Using wrong facts, vague twitter posts from people who don't have the clearence to release that kind of info, calling us intolerent of other ideas when there doing so themselves. Stupid, stupid, people. I'm not agenst people disagreeing on ideas, but get your facts straight before you post!
Makes my head hurt. :(


So very true. This thing is getting to be like politics, where every mouthbreather that hasn't paid any attention to what's going on and knows only vague second-hand rumors that they overheard by accident thinks they're qualified to call the other side crazy or stupid on the mere basis of disagreeing with their biased, ill-informed opinion.

Maybe the Reapers are trying to wipe out organics because they tried reasoning with us.


Lately I've been talking to some people I know about IT and such. I know a few that, believing IT or not, just refuse to accept it is complete through DLC, and not in the main game. They just can't see the time lapse between ME3 and the DLC is what makes IT even stronger. If true, I would see it as pure genius. Playing outside the game, for once. I guess some people are just stuck in a traditional way of playin games and all this seems odd.

That said, I still think it's taking too long. IT would've been awesome if revealed one or two months after the release. This now is way too risky, even if they're giving everyone the chance to play and replay the game.

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You know, I think we're actually the only group that's doing what Bioware actually wanted us fans to do: Speculate!

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Big G13 wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Bumper sticker:
"My other car's a Mako"

LOVE this idea.
"My child is an A student at Grissom Academy" 
"Blue Baby onboard"
"Forget the Dog, Beware of the Carnifax"

"I brake for Pyjaks"
"Protected by a Paladin 3 days a week, you guess which 3"
"Live by the sword, get killed by Shepard"
"I'm famous in the Terminus Systems"

Modifié par spotlessvoid, 30 avril 2012 - 08:29 .


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Holy crap! I always loved the I.T. and all but NEVER did I imagine this thread to approach almost 2,000 pages! WHEW! Anyways, here is a little something that might get a few people laughing if they can catch the subtlety.

theory- 1) a plausible or scientifically acceptable general principle or body of principles offered to explain natural phenomena. 2) a working hypothesis that is considered probable based on experimental evidence or factual or conceptual analysis and is accepted as a basis for experimentation.

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Arian Dynas wrote...

Also, a theory. What if the way that Bioware is acting is nothing more than an alternate reality game?

claiming Synthesis as the best ending, the multiplayer events, Alliance News Network, the seperate timelines,

Acting like the bad guy?

Discuss!


Bioware certainly could be playing games. Their post release behavior has been almost as crazy as starchilds logic. Question: What do you mean separate timelines?

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spotlessvoid wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Bumper sticker:
"My other car's a Mako"

LOVE this idea.
"My child is an A student at Grissom Academy" 
"Blue Baby onboard"
"Forget the Dog, Beware of the Carnifax"

"I brake for Pyjaks"
"Protected by a Paladin 3 days a week, you guess which 3"
"Live by the sword, get killed by Shepard"
"I'm famous in the Terminus Systems"


Thanks for playing.
"If you can read this, you may be Indoctrinated"
"Got Eezo"
"Reapers in mirror may be closer than they appear"

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spotlessvoid wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Also, a theory. What if the way that Bioware is acting is nothing more than an alternate reality game?

claiming Synthesis as the best ending, the multiplayer events, Alliance News Network, the seperate timelines,

Acting like the bad guy?

Discuss!


Bioware certainly could be playing games. Their post release behavior has been almost as crazy as starchilds logic. Question: What do you mean separate timelines?


The ANN is running off it's own timeline, concurrent with real world time, theing is in their timeline we have yet to reach the point of the Seige of Earth. I'm willing to bet there'll be more multiplayer events between now and then, more multiplayer expansion packs, both free and paid, representing major turning points in the war, until finally, things culminate with the release of the EC, revealing Indoctrination and the final seige of Earth, with DLC released between then and now being major battles and plot points, like the retaking of Omega.

Basically, I am saying Bioware developed their entire DLC release schedule around a story plot, so they could drag out the game over the course of the year, making sure no one forgot it, but the problem is that the ending that was supposed to keep us happy and content for a few months didn't leaving their plans entirely ****ed up, and them a bit upset and insulted that we weren't happy, so they have to move up the EC, either moving up the Seige of Earth DLC, or giving us the EC to make things more obvious so we're more content to wait for the war to run it's course.

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I think I'd go for the traditional "My other ride is the NORMANDY" bumper sticker, with the NORMANDY part being in the font used on the ship itself.

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Arian Dynas wrote...


The ANN is running off it's own timeline, concurrent with real world time, theing is in their timeline we have yet to reach the point of the Seige of Earth. I'm willing to bet there'll be more multiplayer events between now and then, more multiplayer expansion packs, both free and paid, representing major turning points in the war, until finally, things culminate with the release of the EC, revealing Indoctrination and the final seige of Earth, with DLC released between then and now being major battles and plot points, like the retaking of Omega.

Basically, I am saying Bioware developed their entire DLC release schedule around a story plot, so they could drag out the game over the course of the year, making sure no one forgot it, but the problem is that the ending that was supposed to keep us happy and content for a few months didn't leaving their plans entirely ****ed up, and them a bit upset and insulted that we weren't happy, so they have to move up the EC, either moving up the Seige of Earth DLC, or giving us the EC to make things more obvious so we're more content to wait for the war to run it's course.


I dont think Bioware will ever charge for the multiplayer expansion packs. They make their money off people buying the reinforcement packs. When new free expansion packs are released, people spend more money buying reinforcement packs to have chances to unlock the new content. 

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Big G13 wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Bumper sticker:
"My other car's a Mako"

LOVE this idea.
"My child is an A student at Grissom Academy" 
"Blue Baby onboard"
"Forget the Dog, Beware of the Carnifax"

"I brake for Pyjaks"
"Protected by a Paladin 3 days a week, you guess which 3"
"Live by the sword, get killed by Shepard"
"I'm famous in the Terminus Systems"


Thanks for playing.
"If you can read this, you may be Indoctrinated"
"Got Eezo"
"Reapers in mirror may be closer than they appear"


Beware of Varren
These premises protected by Elanus Risk Control Services
Dat Mass!
Honk if I'm I'm blue shifted
Powered By Tantalus
My Other Car's the Normandy
I will give up my sniper rifle when you pry it from my cold, dead claws.
Drink Ryncol

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Just throwing some ideas in here...

What if the Reaper's motivation is actually what the Star Bieber tells you? They don't want synthetics to destroy all life in the galaxy... BUT it's not organic life they're concerned about, it's reaper life.

They have a lot of ways to mess with organics. They can indoctrinate organics, use the Citadel as an utopic place to forget about war, divide them and isolate every world and their communications, etc. But what about synthetics? The geth initially joined the reapers voluntarily, and not all of them did. In ME 3 they (again) voluntarily accept to get Reaper upgrades to fight the quarians.

What if it's synthetics that they're scared of, but no concerning organic life, but themselves? They don't harvest advanced civilizations so they don't oppose them, but to prevent their synthetic creations to do so.

But somehow, this time it was an organic being who really got to challenge them, the crucible "changed" things, created new possibilities. They are in danger now. Would this make sense? :D

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Big G13 wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Bumper sticker:
"My other car's a Mako"

LOVE this idea.
"My child is an A student at Grissom Academy" 
"Blue Baby onboard"
"Forget the Dog, Beware of the Carnifax"

"I brake for Pyjaks"
"Protected by a Paladin 3 days a week, you guess which 3"
"Live by the sword, get killed by Shepard"
"I'm famous in the Terminus Systems"


Thanks for playing.
"If you can read this, you may be Indoctrinated"
"Got Eezo"
"Reapers in mirror may be closer than they appear"


"I helped cure the Genophage"
"I always take the renegade interrupt"
"I'd rather be hunting varren"

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"ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL"
"I am a biotic god"
"Harbinger knows my name"

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Arian Dynas wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Also, a theory. What if the way that Bioware is acting is nothing more than an alternate reality game?

claiming Synthesis as the best ending, the multiplayer events, Alliance News Network, the seperate timelines,

Acting like the bad guy?

Discuss!


Bioware certainly could be playing games. Their post release behavior has been almost as crazy as starchilds logic. Question: What do you mean separate timelines?


The ANN is running off it's own timeline, concurrent with real world time, theing is in their timeline we have yet to reach the point of the Seige of Earth. I'm willing to bet there'll be more multiplayer events between now and then, more multiplayer expansion packs, both free and paid, representing major turning points in the war, until finally, things culminate with the release of the EC, revealing Indoctrination and the final seige of Earth, with DLC released between then and now being major battles and plot points, like the retaking of Omega.

Basically, I am saying Bioware developed their entire DLC release schedule around a story plot, so they could drag out the game over the course of the year, making sure no one forgot it, but the problem is that the ending that was supposed to keep us happy and content for a few months didn't leaving their plans entirely ****ed up, and them a bit upset and insulted that we weren't happy, so they have to move up the EC, either moving up the Seige of Earth DLC, or giving us the EC to make things more obvious so we're more content to wait for the war to run it's course.

You know, reading this, the movie 'eXistenZ' suddenly popped into my mind. Maybe playing games with their fan base is the closest thing Bioware could get to an 'eXistenZ' style game with current technology. Sounds crazy to me and I thought of it, but .....:huh:

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Arian Dynas wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Bumper sticker:
"My other car's a Mako"

LOVE this idea.
"My child is an A student at Grissom Academy" 
"Blue Baby onboard"
"Forget the Dog, Beware of the Carnifax"

"I brake for Pyjaks"
"Protected by a Paladin 3 days a week, you guess which 3"
"Live by the sword, get killed by Shepard"
"I'm famous in the Terminus Systems"


Thanks for playing.
"If you can read this, you may be Indoctrinated"
"Got Eezo"
"Reapers in mirror may be closer than they appear"


Beware of Varren
These premises protected by Elanus Risk Control Services
Dat Mass!
Honk if I'm I'm blue shifted
Powered By Tantalus
My Other Car's the Normandy
I will give up my sniper rifle when you pry it from my cold, dead claws.
Drink Ryncol


Someone needs tosubmit this idea to Bioware's online store. I'd buy at least all of these bumper stickers.

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HellishFiend wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...


The ANN is running off it's own timeline, concurrent with real world time, theing is in their timeline we have yet to reach the point of the Seige of Earth. I'm willing to bet there'll be more multiplayer events between now and then, more multiplayer expansion packs, both free and paid, representing major turning points in the war, until finally, things culminate with the release of the EC, revealing Indoctrination and the final seige of Earth, with DLC released between then and now being major battles and plot points, like the retaking of Omega.

Basically, I am saying Bioware developed their entire DLC release schedule around a story plot, so they could drag out the game over the course of the year, making sure no one forgot it, but the problem is that the ending that was supposed to keep us happy and content for a few months didn't leaving their plans entirely ****ed up, and them a bit upset and insulted that we weren't happy, so they have to move up the EC, either moving up the Seige of Earth DLC, or giving us the EC to make things more obvious so we're more content to wait for the war to run it's course.


I dont think Bioware will ever charge for the multiplayer expansion packs. They make their money off people buying the reinforcement packs. When new free expansion packs are released, people spend more money buying reinforcement packs to have chances to unlock the new content. 


Hmm, thinking about it, I agree,

And considering this is Bioware, whom is all about the story, and ALL about doing awesome things with big gambles, (see what I did there?) and considering they actually WORKED story into the Multiplayer itself, via the N7 missions and Resurgence, and already happen to be doing the whole ANN thing, And really, it would have been an awesome, incredible stunt had it worked from the get go.

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WinterCrow wrote...

Just throwing some ideas in here...

What if the Reaper's motivation is actually what the Star Bieber tells you? They don't want synthetics to destroy all life in the galaxy... BUT it's not organic life they're concerned about, it's reaper life.

They have a lot of ways to mess with organics. They can indoctrinate organics, use the Citadel as an utopic place to forget about war, divide them and isolate every world and their communications, etc. But what about synthetics? The geth initially joined the reapers voluntarily, and not all of them did. In ME 3 they (again) voluntarily accept to get Reaper upgrades to fight the quarians.

What if it's synthetics that they're scared of, but no concerning organic life, but themselves? They don't harvest advanced civilizations so they don't oppose them, but to prevent their synthetic creations to do so.

But somehow, this time it was an organic being who really got to challenge them, the crucible "changed" things, created new possibilities. They are in danger now. Would this make sense? :D



It certainly could be part of their motivation