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byne wrote...
balance5050 wrote...
Dwailing wrote...
byne wrote...
Tell me, what color is the sky in your world?
I'm guessing zebra stripes.
I would have guessed green circuit board pattern.
I kinda figure it looks like this:
*snip*
Speaking of Futurama, due to being both technically undead (as Shep says to Jack in her romance) and Space Jesus, is Shepard the Zombie Jesus we always hear the Professor talking about?
I always wondered about that part, the Codex said it can take days for the Migrant Fleet alone to completely pass through a Relay, why does it take < 10s in the end? ^^byne wrote...
Well, the Reapers seized control of the Citadel in Javik's cycle, and used it to disable the entire Relay system.
If you cant get your fleets to group up, the scattered ships are going to be easy to take out. Javik even said there was no final battle in his cycle.
balance5050 wrote...
SubAstris wrote...
balance5050 wrote...
SubAstris wrote...
The amount of money is irrelevant, it requires a lot of handwaving to explain what happened. It might have been a pseudo-explanation but don't let that fool you, it is nonetheless space magic (if you take the same definition many use for Synthesis)
Wut? So all sci fi is space magic by your logic then.
It makes sense to be able to preserve a brain and put it in an artificial body, which isn't exactly what happens in ME 2 but its a common sci-fi occurence.
SCI-FI CONSISTS OF "PSEUDO-EXPLANATIONS" YOU FOOL!
The explanation for Shepard's resurrection is effectively "handwaving". It is poorly conceived because it violates what we know fundamentally know, bodies falling from outer space into planets go splat. You can cover it up with meaningless, quasi-scientific language, but it doesn't escape the issue.
LOL! you're cute! but I think I'll leave you alone now because you're clearly ignorant of the points I established. Have fun with your Synthesis ending!!!
NotAnotherDisplayName wrote...
I don't disagree that the ending is problematic, I'm just suggesting that many things, from reaper indoctrination to reaper weapon systems to various bits on the collectors aren't explained up front, but are explained through the course of the story.
I do agree that exposing a new tech/method at the end of a story without explanation can be...irritating.
Personally I don't have a problem with the tech they used- I don't get deep enough into the sci fi to really get too annoyed when they pull something new out. My problems mainly come with the way the end was assembled, and the super heavy implied-but-not-stated bits and pieces (Saren with Synthesis, TIM with Control, the breath, etc.)
MegumiAzusa wrote...
I always wondered about that part, the Codex said it can take days for the Migrant Fleet alone to completely pass through a Relay, why does it take < 10s in the end? ^^byne wrote...
Well, the Reapers seized control of the Citadel in Javik's cycle, and used it to disable the entire Relay system.
If you cant get your fleets to group up, the scattered ships are going to be easy to take out. Javik even said there was no final battle in his cycle.
SubAstris wrote...
balance5050 wrote...
SubAstris wrote...
balance5050 wrote...
SubAstris wrote...
The amount of money is irrelevant, it requires a lot of handwaving to explain what happened. It might have been a pseudo-explanation but don't let that fool you, it is nonetheless space magic (if you take the same definition many use for Synthesis)
Wut? So all sci fi is space magic by your logic then.
It makes sense to be able to preserve a brain and put it in an artificial body, which isn't exactly what happens in ME 2 but its a common sci-fi occurence.
SCI-FI CONSISTS OF "PSEUDO-EXPLANATIONS" YOU FOOL!
The explanation for Shepard's resurrection is effectively "handwaving". It is poorly conceived because it violates what we know fundamentally know, bodies falling from outer space into planets go splat. You can cover it up with meaningless, quasi-scientific language, but it doesn't escape the issue.
LOL! you're cute! but I think I'll leave you alone now because you're clearly ignorant of the points I established. Have fun with your Synthesis ending!!!
Or rather, you have been unable to show good reasons why surviving at atmospheric re-entry and then sugarcoating it with "hi-tech" bull**** is any less space magic than the synthesis ending
DJBare wrote...
Forgive me quoting myself, but it is interesting if you listen with your eyes closed, I'm using Earforce Z6 suround sound headphones.DJBare wrote...
Here is one to try out, stand at the top of the ramp that leads to where Anderson is, turn to face left or right, then take your eyes off the screen and just listen, listen to the electrical arching, I'm not going to tell you what I hear, I'm going to leave it up to you.
No idea what you are referring to oODJBare wrote...
Forgive me quoting myself, but it is interesting if you listen with your eyes closed, I'm using Earforce Z6 suround sound headphones.DJBare wrote...
Here is one to try out, stand at the top of the ramp that leads to where Anderson is, turn to face left or right, then take your eyes off the screen and just listen, listen to the electrical arching, I'm not going to tell you what I hear, I'm going to leave it up to you.
byne wrote...
MegumiAzusa wrote...
I always wondered about that part, the Codex said it can take days for the Migrant Fleet alone to completely pass through a Relay, why does it take < 10s in the end? ^^byne wrote...
Well, the Reapers seized control of the Citadel in Javik's cycle, and used it to disable the entire Relay system.
If you cant get your fleets to group up, the scattered ships are going to be easy to take out. Javik even said there was no final battle in his cycle.
Because seeing one ship after another slowly exit the Sol Relay wouldnt have been nearly as awesome.
Dwailing wrote...
SubAstris wrote...
balance5050 wrote...
SubAstris wrote...
balance5050 wrote...
SubAstris wrote...
The amount of money is irrelevant, it requires a lot of handwaving to explain what happened. It might have been a pseudo-explanation but don't let that fool you, it is nonetheless space magic (if you take the same definition many use for Synthesis)
Wut? So all sci fi is space magic by your logic then.
It makes sense to be able to preserve a brain and put it in an artificial body, which isn't exactly what happens in ME 2 but its a common sci-fi occurence.
SCI-FI CONSISTS OF "PSEUDO-EXPLANATIONS" YOU FOOL!
The explanation for Shepard's resurrection is effectively "handwaving". It is poorly conceived because it violates what we know fundamentally know, bodies falling from outer space into planets go splat. You can cover it up with meaningless, quasi-scientific language, but it doesn't escape the issue.
LOL! you're cute! but I think I'll leave you alone now because you're clearly ignorant of the points I established. Have fun with your Synthesis ending!!!
Or rather, you have been unable to show good reasons why surviving at atmospheric re-entry and then sugarcoating it with "hi-tech" bull**** is any less space magic than the synthesis ending
But he DIDN'T survive atmospheric re-entry. HE FRAKKING DIED!!! Cerberus rebuilt him using advanced tech that is actually quite likely to be developed at some point.
SubAstris wrote...
His brains are non-existent at this point...
SubAstris wrote...
Or rather, you have been unable to show good reasons why surviving at atmospheric re-entry and then sugarcoating it with "hi-tech" bull**** is any less space magic than the synthesis ending
Modifié par byne, 30 avril 2012 - 08:53 .
That Shep is more then dust after her little dive is quite magical non the less to be honest.Dwailing wrote...
But he DIDN'T survive atmospheric re-entry. HE FRAKKING DIED!!! Cerberus rebuilt him using advanced tech that is actually quite likely to be developed at some point.
DJBare wrote...
Forgive me quoting myself, but it is interesting if you listen with your eyes closed, I'm using Earforce Z6 suround sound headphones.DJBare wrote...
Here is one to try out, stand at the top of the ramp that leads to where Anderson is, turn to face left or right, then take your eyes off the screen and just listen, listen to the electrical arching, I'm not going to tell you what I hear, I'm going to leave it up to you.
SubAstris wrote...
His brains are non-existent at this point...
SubAstris wrote...
Dwailing wrote...
SubAstris wrote...
balance5050 wrote...
SubAstris wrote...
balance5050 wrote...
SubAstris wrote...
The amount of money is irrelevant, it requires a lot of handwaving to explain what happened. It might have been a pseudo-explanation but don't let that fool you, it is nonetheless space magic (if you take the same definition many use for Synthesis)
Wut? So all sci fi is space magic by your logic then.
It makes sense to be able to preserve a brain and put it in an artificial body, which isn't exactly what happens in ME 2 but its a common sci-fi occurence.
SCI-FI CONSISTS OF "PSEUDO-EXPLANATIONS" YOU FOOL!
The explanation for Shepard's resurrection is effectively "handwaving". It is poorly conceived because it violates what we know fundamentally know, bodies falling from outer space into planets go splat. You can cover it up with meaningless, quasi-scientific language, but it doesn't escape the issue.
LOL! you're cute! but I think I'll leave you alone now because you're clearly ignorant of the points I established. Have fun with your Synthesis ending!!!
Or rather, you have been unable to show good reasons why surviving at atmospheric re-entry and then sugarcoating it with "hi-tech" bull**** is any less space magic than the synthesis ending
But he DIDN'T survive atmospheric re-entry. HE FRAKKING DIED!!! Cerberus rebuilt him using advanced tech that is actually quite likely to be developed at some point.
His brains are non-existent at this point...
DJBare wrote...
Forgive me quoting myself, but it is interesting if you listen with your eyes closed, I'm using Earforce Z6 suround sound headphones.DJBare wrote...
Here is one to try out, stand at the top of the ramp that leads to where Anderson is, turn to face left or right, then take your eyes off the screen and just listen, listen to the electrical arching, I'm not going to tell you what I hear, I'm going to leave it up to you.
MegumiAzusa wrote...
That Shep is more then dust after her little dive is quite magical non the less to be honest.Dwailing wrote...
But he DIDN'T survive atmospheric re-entry. HE FRAKKING DIED!!! Cerberus rebuilt him using advanced tech that is actually quite likely to be developed at some point.
byne wrote...
SubAstris wrote...
Or rather, you have been unable to show good reasons why surviving at atmospheric re-entry and then sugarcoating it with "hi-tech" bull**** is any less space magic than the synthesis ending
Alchera, the planet the Normandy and Shepard crashed on, has a less dense atmosphere as well as lower gravity than Earth.
Combine that with Shepard having high-tech heat resistant armor as well kinetic barriers, and surviving re-entry is plausible.
A magic green light making everyone robots is not.
Also, everytime I say 'making everyone robots' I feel the need to type out my original synopsis of the three endings, so I'm gonna do it once to get rid of the urge:
"I must kill the Reapers!"
"No, you ARE the Reapers!"
And then everyone was robots.
byne wrote...
SubAstris wrote...
Or rather, you have been unable to show good reasons why surviving at atmospheric re-entry and then sugarcoating it with "hi-tech" bull**** is any less space magic than the synthesis ending
Alchera, the planet the Normandy and Shepard crashed on, has a less dense atmosphere as well as lower gravity than Earth.
Combine that with Shepard having high-tech heat resistant armor as well kinetic barriers, and surviving re-entry is plausible.
A magic green light making everyone robots is not.
Also, everytime I say 'making everyone robots' I feel the need to type out my original synopsis of the three endings, so I'm gonna do it once to get rid of the urge:
MegumiAzusa wrote...
That Shep is more then dust after her little dive is quite magical non the less to be honest.Dwailing wrote...
But he DIDN'T survive atmospheric re-entry. HE FRAKKING DIED!!! Cerberus rebuilt him using advanced tech that is actually quite likely to be developed at some point.
byne wrote...
Well, the Reapers seized control of the Citadel in Javik's cycle, and used it to disable the entire Relay system.
If you cant get your fleets to group up, the scattered ships are going to be easy to take out. Javik even said there was no final battle in his cycle.
I figured the only reason it took hundreds of years for Javik's cycle to lose is because the Reapers destroyed all their ships at the beginning of the invasion, then took their time harvesting all of the populated planets.
He claimed we had hope for a future, which his cycle never did. His cycle was building a Crucible too, so I dont see whats different about us that would imply we had hope for a future when his cycle didnt, other than the fact that all our fleets can still travel and meet up with eachother, and a large chunk of our ships have reverse engineered Reaper guns installed on them.
Modifié par NotAnotherDisplayName, 30 avril 2012 - 09:00 .
Baldsake wrote...
Does it really matter if the revival of Shepard is unrealistic? Or even the endings? I can live with a bit of far fetched things as long as it's well written. The endings are poorly written, that's my main issue with them... You have to take certain things in movies and games with a grain of salt ecspecially sci fi.
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