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[Raistlin Majare 1992]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

But he DIDN'T survive atmospheric re-entry.  HE FRAKKING DIED!!!  Cerberus rebuilt him using advanced tech that is actually quite likely to be developed at some point.

That Shep is more then dust after her little dive is quite magical non the less to be honest.

Depends entirely on the armors heat resistance to be honest. If you dont burn up in the atmosphere your body will only reach a set maximum velocity before impact. That is certainly gonna be lethal, but you wont be turned to dust from it.

[SubAstris]

byne wrote...

SubAstris wrote...


His brains are non-existent at this point...

If you'd paid attention you'd know they explicitly established the helmet kept Shepard's brains intact.

Then it is no better written than the Synthesis ending

[byne]

Tirian Thorn wrote...

So certain are you... 

The gravity could be 1/1000th that of Earth for all we know. 

He did de and Cerberus brought him back to life using medical science and a Butt-load of credits to do it. 

To be fair the gravity on Alchera is 0.85g.

Either way, we found Shepard's helmet intact on the surface of Alchera, and both Liara and Legion recovered pieces of the chest armor that was still intact, so clearly Shep's armor is resistant to heat, and survived re-entry without burning completely away.

Even before Shep's cybernetic implants and stuff, she was still an exceptionally tough soldier. After surviving re-entry, I figure she could have also survived the fall.

I mean, if a 22 year old flight attendant can survive a 33,000 foot fall in REAL LIFE, I'd figure Shepard, protected by her armor could survive such a fall in a science fiction setting.

[byne]

SubAstris wrote...

byne wrote...

SubAstris wrote...


His brains are non-existent at this point...

If you'd paid attention you'd know they explicitly established the helmet kept Shepard's brains intact.

Then it is no better written than the Synthesis ending

Care to explain why? Or is it just poorly written because it contradicted your belief that Shepard's brain was gone at that point?

[DJBare]

HellishFiend wrote...

DJBare wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Here is one to try out, stand at the top of the ramp that leads to where Anderson is, turn to face left or right, then take your eyes off the screen and just listen, listen to the electrical arching, I'm not going to tell you what I hear, I'm going to leave it up to you.

Forgive me quoting myself, but it is interesting if you listen with your eyes closed, I'm using Earforce Z6 suround sound headphones.

I've tried that before (sans the turning to face left or right... does that make a difference?), and I did occassionally hear what sounded like someone calling out in a very faint voice. I didnt consider it to be conclusive though since it seemed to be piggybacked onto the sound effects. 

Sorry guys, I know this is frustrating and believe me I do want to tell you, I really really want to tell you!, but I need at least one other person to come up with it on their own.

I can tell you this much, don't accept what you are listening too on face value.

[Simon_Says]

Simon_Says wrote...

Guys just quit it. Subastris is convinced and I suspect he's getting a kick out of riling us up. Otherwise he'd have left long ago.

[byne]

Simon_Says wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

Guys just quit it. Subastris is convinced and I suspect he's getting a kick out of riling us up. Otherwise he'd have left long ago.

My love of arguing conflicts with leaving SubAstris alone, though!

[HellishFiend]

DJBare wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

DJBare wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Here is one to try out, stand at the top of the ramp that leads to where Anderson is, turn to face left or right, then take your eyes off the screen and just listen, listen to the electrical arching, I'm not going to tell you what I hear, I'm going to leave it up to you.

Forgive me quoting myself, but it is interesting if you listen with your eyes closed, I'm using Earforce Z6 suround sound headphones.

I've tried that before (sans the turning to face left or right... does that make a difference?), and I did occassionally hear what sounded like someone calling out in a very faint voice. I didnt consider it to be conclusive though since it seemed to be piggybacked onto the sound effects. 

Sorry guys, I know this is frustrating and believe me I do want to tell you, I really really want to tell you!, but I need at least one other person to come up with it on their own.

I can tell you this much, don't accept what you are listening too on face value.

If you could answer my question, that would help me think about it. I've done what you're suggesting: stop at the top of the ramp and just listen, but I dont think I ever tried turning left or right. Does that make a difference? If it does, I'll go back and listen again. Otherwise, I'll just have to think about it a bit and see if I come up with anything. 

[ExtendedCut]

DJBare wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

DJBare wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Here is one to try out, stand at the top of the ramp that leads to where Anderson is, turn to face left or right, then take your eyes off the screen and just listen, listen to the electrical arching, I'm not going to tell you what I hear, I'm going to leave it up to you.

Forgive me quoting myself, but it is interesting if you listen with your eyes closed, I'm using Earforce Z6 suround sound headphones.

I've tried that before (sans the turning to face left or right... does that make a difference?), and I did occassionally hear what sounded like someone calling out in a very faint voice. I didnt consider it to be conclusive though since it seemed to be piggybacked onto the sound effects. 

Sorry guys, I know this is frustrating and believe me I do want to tell you, I really really want to tell you!, but I need at least one other person to come up with it on their own.

I can tell you this much, don't accept what you are listening too on face value.

Oh, come on!  For us losers like me who only have an Xbox and no headphones - let us in on the cool secret if you've found something interesting...

[NotAnotherDisplayName]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

But he DIDN'T survive atmospheric re-entry.  HE FRAKKING DIED!!!  Cerberus rebuilt him using advanced tech that is actually quite likely to be developed at some point.

That Shep is more then dust after her little dive is quite magical non the less to be honest.

Depends entirely on the armors heat resistance to be honest. If you dont burn up in the atmosphere your body will only reach a set maximum velocity before impact. That is certainly gonna be lethal, but you wont be turned to dust from it.

Not to mention that the terminal velocity on planet X isn't going to be known, but however you slice it your brain is going to be all kinds of scrambled when you hit the ground at terminal velocity.  They don't really explain that part, they hand wave the brain, they talk about fluids to restart blood flow and using cybernetics to replace broken parts, but they leave out most of the brain.

Not saying it's not possible in sci-fi, bit it's a bit of a stretch.  More than synthesis?  Dunno about that, but the whole ressurection plot was always a bit off to me personally.

[estebanus]

Holy crap...

I did what you said @DJbare, and I'm more than sure that I could hear gunfire and screams!
Could it be the soldiers still fighting back on Earth around Shepard?

Anyways, good catch!

[balance5050]

NotAnotherDisplayName wrote...

Not to mention that the terminal velocity on planet X isn't going to be known, but however you slice it your brain is going to be all kinds of scrambled when you hit the ground at terminal velocity.  They don't really explain that part, they hand wave the brain, they talk about fluids to restart blood flow and using cybernetics to replace broken parts, but they leave out most of the brain.

Not saying it's not possible in sci-fi, bit it's a bit of a stretch.  More than synthesis?  Dunno about that, but the whole ressurection plot was always a bit off to me personally.

It was the helmet. Kept it intact.

[DJBare]

HellishFiend wrote...
If you could answer my question, that would help me think about it. I've done what you're suggesting: stop at the top of the ramp and just listen, but I dont think I ever tried turning left or right. Does that make a difference? If it does, I'll go back and listen again. Otherwise, I'll just have to think about it a bit and see if I come up with anything. 

Perhaps I was being too picky, I only suggested turning in one of the directions because the sounds are louder not because direction means anything.

I promise you before an hour has passed, if anyone has not thought of the same thing I have then I will reveal it.

[balance5050]

estebanus wrote...

Holy crap...

I did what you said @DJbare, and I'm more than sure that I could hear gunfire and screams!
Could it be the soldiers still fighting back on Earth around Shepard?

Anyways, good catch!

DAMN IT! now I have to play that part AGAIN!

[HellishFiend]

NotAnotherDisplayName wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

But he DIDN'T survive atmospheric re-entry.  HE FRAKKING DIED!!!  Cerberus rebuilt him using advanced tech that is actually quite likely to be developed at some point.

That Shep is more then dust after her little dive is quite magical non the less to be honest.

Depends entirely on the armors heat resistance to be honest. If you dont burn up in the atmosphere your body will only reach a set maximum velocity before impact. That is certainly gonna be lethal, but you wont be turned to dust from it.

Not to mention that the terminal velocity on planet X isn't going to be known, but however you slice it your brain is going to be all kinds of scrambled when you hit the ground at terminal velocity.  They don't really explain that part, they hand wave the brain, they talk about fluids to restart blood flow and using cybernetics to replace broken parts, but they leave out most of the brain.

Not saying it's not possible in sci-fi, bit it's a bit of a stretch.  More than synthesis?  Dunno about that, but the whole ressurection plot was always a bit off to me personally.

As I mentioned earlier, Sci Fi does require a higher suspension of disbelief, but the "ressurection plot" is not implausible in a sci-fi context. As Byne pointed out, someone in real life survived a 30k+ foot free fall inside a plane. If a "perfect storm" of luck and circumstance can lead to someone falling from that high in real life and LIVING, cant you suspend disbelief enough to accept the conditions of Shepard's death+resurrection ?

Modifié par HellishFiend, 30 avril 2012 - 09:11 .

[DJBare]

estebanus wrote...

Holy crap...

I did what you said @DJbare, and I'm more than sure that I could hear gunfire and screams!
Could it be the soldiers still fighting back on Earth around Shepard?

Anyways, good catch!

Give that person a cookie!!!
Thank you for confirming what I suspected, you are a star!!

[Simon_Says]

byne wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

Guys just quit it. Subastris is convinced and I suspect he's getting a kick out of riling us up. Otherwise he'd have left long ago.

My love of arguing conflicts with leaving SubAstris alone, though!

You've done exactly what Subastris wanted! You're still doing it because he provokes you! You're stronger! Don't let him win! Break the hold! Don't let him provoke you!

By the way, check out the scene again. The reapers growl right when TIM starts breaking from his indoctrination (5:38). How does this sound compare to the scene with the kid in the vent? Not very well I'm afraid.

Modifié par Simon_Says, 30 avril 2012 - 09:14 .

[SubAstris]

byne wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

byne wrote...

SubAstris wrote...


His brains are non-existent at this point...

If you'd paid attention you'd know they explicitly established the helmet kept Shepard's brains intact.

Then it is no better written than the Synthesis ending

Care to explain why? Or is it just poorly written because it contradicted your belief that Shepard's brain was gone at that point?

It is not a belief, his head would be smashed if he had not burned in the atmosphere. It is his suit, made for combat, versus the planet.

[MaximizedAction]

DJBare wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Holy crap...

I did what you said @DJbare, and I'm more than sure that I could hear gunfire and screams!
Could it be the soldiers still fighting back on Earth around Shepard?

Anyways, good catch!

Give that person a cookie!!!
Thank you for confirming what I suspected, you are a star!!

hey, I said it first, now I want a cookie, too.

[estebanus]

DJBare wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Holy crap...

I did what you said @DJbare, and I'm more than sure that I could hear gunfire and screams!
Could it be the soldiers still fighting back on Earth around Shepard?

Anyways, good catch!

Give that person a cookie!!!
Thank you for confirming what I suspected, you are a star!!

YAY! I love cookies!!!

Damn, but that really is some pretty compelling evidence, and also a very good find!

[DJBare]

MaximizedAction wrote...

DJBare wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Holy crap...

I did what you said @DJbare, and I'm more than sure that I could hear gunfire and screams!
Could it be the soldiers still fighting back on Earth around Shepard?

Anyways, good catch!

Give that person a cookie!!!
Thank you for confirming what I suspected, you are a star!!

hey, I said it first, now I want a cookie, too.

I missed your post, sorry, a cookie for you!

[NotAnotherDisplayName]

balance5050 wrote...

NotAnotherDisplayName wrote...

Not to mention that the terminal velocity on planet X isn't going to be known, but however you slice it your brain is going to be all kinds of scrambled when you hit the ground at terminal velocity.  They don't really explain that part, they hand wave the brain, they talk about fluids to restart blood flow and using cybernetics to replace broken parts, but they leave out most of the brain.

Not saying it's not possible in sci-fi, bit it's a bit of a stretch.  More than synthesis?  Dunno about that, but the whole ressurection plot was always a bit off to me personally.

It was the helmet. Kept it intact.

Intact, I get, it didn't explode, but it's still going to be messed up based on our current understanding of brains and skulls.  Put an egg in a box and drop it off a building, it'll bust open.  Play football or box long enough and you'll get a concussion- your head may not split open, but your brain will be scrambled.

That's all I'm saying- the current ending is a stretch without explanation and to boot it feels sketchy, which IMO is why people are mad at that version of space magic.  We're more apt to tolerate hand waving when it makes for a good story, aren't we?

[balance5050]

SubAstris wrote...

byne wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

byne wrote...

SubAstris wrote...


His brains are non-existent at this point...

If you'd paid attention you'd know they explicitly established the helmet kept Shepard's brains intact.

Then it is no better written than the Synthesis ending

Care to explain why? Or is it just poorly written because it contradicted your belief that Shepard's brain was gone at that point?

It is not a belief, his head would be smashed if he had not burned in the atmosphere. It is his suit, made for combat, versus the planet.

So now you're arguing that ME2 AND ME3 never happened? Interesting that you would go from saying that the ending actually happened to saying nothing happened at all.

[HellishFiend]

DJBare wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Holy crap...

I did what you said @DJbare, and I'm more than sure that I could hear gunfire and screams!
Could it be the soldiers still fighting back on Earth around Shepard?

Anyways, good catch!

Give that person a cookie!!!
Thank you for confirming what I suspected, you are a star!!

Ok, I just went back and listened again, and yeah, I can kind of hear it..... 

[estebanus]

MaximizedAction wrote...

DJBare wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Holy crap...

I did what you said @DJbare, and I'm more than sure that I could hear gunfire and screams!
Could it be the soldiers still fighting back on Earth around Shepard?

Anyways, good catch!

Give that person a cookie!!!
Thank you for confirming what I suspected, you are a star!!

hey, I said it first, now I want a cookie, too.

Don't worry, I'll share mine with you if you don't get any!

But I'm pretty sure that everyone on this thread who has contributed to it in some way will get a cookie if the IT is confirmed!