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[BadlyBrowned]

Golferguy758 wrote...

I'm still laughing at the thought that joker would just up and leave.whether on an order or cowardice. Did you guys talk to joker? Like at all?

Yeah, especialy since right before the huge battle Joker basically says it was his fault Shepard died in ME2 and that he promised Andersen to look after Shepard. 

Or at least that was what I drew from that conversation.

[Vyrii]

MissMaster_2 wrote...

The place that the Normandy crashed would have already been colonized. A world that beautiful and full of resources would have not gone untouched.

Shepard hallucinated it to try to give her self peace the same as the Stargazer...before being slammed back in to consciousness and realizing that she was still alive.

My shepard would have realized that Garrus and Tali were basically screwed sicne they're dextro.
But I actually don't try and equate the ending cutscenes into the hallucination theory, I just throw them up to Bioware wanting to keep us off track of what was really going on.  A bit of pause to reaccess the situation.

Nevermind that Garrus teleported onto the Normandy.

[Tup3x]

holyshock18 wrote...

Westley Hayes ‏ @WestleyHayes
@masseffect Do you think Shepard can become indoctrinated by the Reapers?

57m Mass Effect ‏ @masseffect
@westleyhayes Anything is possible


That was from twitter. Anything is possible. So keep it going.

That sounded something like what CleverBot would say...

[holyshock18]

GBGriffin wrote...

Elendstourist wrote...

holyshock18 wrote...

Westley Hayes ‏ @WestleyHayes
@masseffect Do you think Shepard can become indoctrinated by the Reapers?

57m Mass Effect ‏ @masseffect
@westleyhayes Anything is possible


That was from twitter. Anything is possible. So keep it going.

Guys, we might be right with this theory of indoctrination O_O

Honestly, they've lost all credibility with me. They have none. They need to stop talking in generalized statements that can be interpreted hundreds of ways and put a definitive end on this before it spirals even further out of control.

"Anything is possible" is the exact same dev talk that landed us here in the first place. It gives them enough room to avoid being called out on giving us false info. It's so broad that it can mean we're either right or wrong at this point.

Just clear up this mess once and for all, BioWare, even if it goes against what you had planned for announcing future DLC, if any. This needs to stop.

Absolutly true. This is just painfull

[Martukis]

MissMaster_2 wrote...

The place that the Normandy crashed would have already been colonized. A world that beautiful and full of resources would have not gone untouched.

Shepard hallucinated it to try to give her self peace the same as the Stargazer...before being slammed back in to consciousness and realizing that she was still alive.

If you visit some of the planets, there are a couple of great "garden planets" that were never colonized because they were on the borders of multiple governments and it was politcally infeasible. That said, I hope it was just Shep's subconcious giving a happy ending to his buddies when he thought he was dying. Or something.

[krystalevenstar]

DangerSandler wrote...

Mr Massakka wrote...

DangerSandler wrote...

I have a question that no one has touched on yet: What are the keepers' roll in all of this? The first thing I noticed when coming out of the Citadel Beam (conduit) was that Keeper on the side of the walkway, next to all the human bodies, working on something. Maybe it has no connection whatsoever, but I still find the whole situation of the keepers to be really overlooked.

Keepers are already confirmed in ME1 to work for the Reapers and keep the Citadel running. Nothing interesting to find out here. It was clear why the Keepers are in that abandoned part of the Citadel.

I get that, I just think that there has to be more to it than that. 

Sorry for bringing back a point from seriously like 30 pages back, but I'm catching up from what I missed last night. The thing I noticed about the Keepers was that even though you have your 'magic gun', you cannot shoot them. We know they can be shot and killed because Saren did it in ME1... just something interesting.

[PrivateFrost]

Tup3xi wrote...

holyshock18 wrote...

Westley Hayes ‏ @WestleyHayes
@masseffect Do you think Shepard can become indoctrinated by the Reapers?

57m Mass Effect ‏ @masseffect
@westleyhayes Anything is possible


That was from twitter. Anything is possible. So keep it going.

That sounded something like what CleverBot would say...

http://i.imgur.com/EaXPy.png 

[humes spork]

balance5050 wrote...

If you choose to control, the reapers just leave forever? they go back out into darkspaceand just die? They are living as well, even if they are mostly synthetic, they have shown that this is done for self preservation, I'm sure that atleast a few would rebel and go feed again, the control ending is full of holes.

If you choose synthesis, what would stop living synthesized people from eventually creating fully synthetic AI's again? Eventually (according to catalyst logic) the half synthesized and fully synthetic would start yet another war, starting the cycle over again.

The catalyst logic is flawed, because IT'S NOT A GOD, it's a reaper, and it's trying to fool you.

The Catalyst's logic is highly flawed, and not just from the standpoint of its presumed "new possibilities". The entire logic of the cycle is deeply flawed. I think that's because the Catalyst is actually a VI, rather than an AI, personally.

As far as control, Shepard orders them to return to dark space. With no control mechanism remaining there's nothing to send the recall command, so presumably they just float around in dark space forever and eventually run out of energy. Which has the hilarious implication that if the Citadel can ever again be used, a few milennia from now some random moron gets curious about what that "big red button" in the tower does...

You're right about synthesis. It's taken on faith that being partly synthetic, the formerly organic species have no need for synthetics to do things like high-order computations, store and analyze data, and the like and therefore have no need to create a new synthetic race. But sparing that, it's taken on faith that being partly synthetic the formerly organic species won't attempt to destroy their creations when it seems they have grown beyond their control and integrate them into civilization at large.

[njfluffy19]

Elenterx wrote...



That buildup at 2:40 feels menacing :/

The song is so depressing, but gives me shivers 'cause it's so good. What bothers me is WTF WHY IS GARRUS NOT IN ONE OF THE FLASHBACKS? Pfeh, I might've died happy if that were the case. <_<

[cyric085]

so many plotholes in the last 10 mins of the game.

like anderson beating shep to the beam (while leaving shep halfdead on the ground as he passes him/her)
joker fleeing from battle
dead squadmates on a "green planet"
shep not question the reaper ai why he looks like the boy he/she had nightmares from
red ending leaves you alive even if we "saw" the citadel explode

[Golferguy758]

Since I think my post was misinterpreted. I agree that joker would never abandon shepard. There's even that scene whet they talk about normandy's destruction and how bad joker felt about himself

[blooregard]

Pedpickle wrote...

njfluffy19 wrote...

LenabotSE wrote...


When you wake up near the beam, if your assets are low, you also see your dead teammates -- highly demoralizing sight just before you go up.

Is there any proof of this? I wanted to see, but I don't have the heart to do a half-assed playthrough to witness it.

I only have this one picture someone took from a yt vid.

http://i44.tinypic.com/6emb9i.jpg

looks like a turian obviously but the armor color doesn't quite add up unless garrus has a pattern like that

who's that behind the dead turian? looks like a quarian and I can only think of two quarians that actually know what a gun is reegor who is dead by that part of the game and tali. Could it all be a dream? 

[Aanlen]

Pedpickle wrote...

njfluffy19 wrote...

LenabotSE wrote...


When you wake up near the beam, if your assets are low, you also see your dead teammates -- highly demoralizing sight just before you go up.

Is there any proof of this? I wanted to see, but I don't have the heart to do a half-assed playthrough to witness it.

I only have this one picture someone took from a yt vid.

http://i44.tinypic.com/6emb9i.jpg

Not  everyone got that though. I didnt. And holy God if I had gotten that, I woulnd never have survived.

[balance5050]

Why would the Illusive man force you to shoot Anderson but not able to stop you from shooting him? Also, oily shadows during this scene.

[UKillMeLongTime]

I kinda wanted an ending where shep and his 'mate' have a kid on the last fling and he/she is the next protagonist in me4 say 30 years later and shep can advise his kid as an aging old man.
Only issue is for gay sheps kinda hard to make a kid......

[humes spork]

BlackDragonBane wrote...

The Reapers have prior knowledge of the Normandy and even with its stealth systems, they may still be able to track it no matter where it goes. The Reapers are technologically far more advanced than anything and every bit of tech, even the ships, are designed primarly based on Reaper technology.

Not say there isn't a slim chance they could elude the Reapers until they felt they were finished, but the thought is a stretch.

Well hell why didn't the Reapers just nom on it in full force when it was trying to escape Earth during the invasion? Or any of those times it was flying around Reaper-occupied space because Shepard got the itch to do fetch quests? Or any of the times it showed up in orbit around Reaper-occupied space to rescue somebody or so Shepard can find some kind of MacGuffin?

[UKillMeLongTime]

and when have we seen oily type shadows ?

that's there for a reason so what is it?

It's hiding something

[njfluffy19]

What about those who can't have biological children because of Quarian/Turian love-fests? Adoption is key!

I am derailing, sorry.

[3Minotaur3]

krystalevenstar wrote...

DangerSandler wrote...

Mr Massakka wrote...

DangerSandler wrote...

I have a question that no one has touched on yet: What are the keepers' roll in all of this? The first thing I noticed when coming out of the Citadel Beam (conduit) was that Keeper on the side of the walkway, next to all the human bodies, working on something. Maybe it has no connection whatsoever, but I still find the whole situation of the keepers to be really overlooked.

Keepers are already confirmed in ME1 to work for the Reapers and keep the Citadel running. Nothing interesting to find out here. It was clear why the Keepers are in that abandoned part of the Citadel.

I get that, I just think that there has to be more to it than that. 

Sorry for bringing back a point from seriously like 30 pages back, but I'm catching up from what I missed last night. The thing I noticed about the Keepers was that even though you have your 'magic gun', you cannot shoot them. We know they can be shot and killed because Saren did it in ME1... just something interesting.

Keepers, like most NPC (childs, vendors, etc...) can't be shoot or killed...

[Mr. Mistake]

Aanlen wrote...

Pedpickle wrote...

njfluffy19 wrote...

LenabotSE wrote...


When you wake up near the beam, if your assets are low, you also see your dead teammates -- highly demoralizing sight just before you go up.

Is there any proof of this? I wanted to see, but I don't have the heart to do a half-assed playthrough to witness it.

I only have this one picture someone took from a yt vid.

http://i44.tinypic.com/6emb9i.jpg

Not  everyone got that though. I didnt. And holy God if I had gotten that, I woulnd never have survived.

...and then Garrus Vakarian is shown stepping out of the Normandy, completely unharmed.

This reminds me of The Usual Suspects.

"[Dean Keaton] was dead long enough for all of this to blow over. And then he had lunch."

Who's with me?

[3Minotaur3]

cyric085 wrote...

so many plotholes in the last 10 mins of the game.

like anderson beating shep to the beam (while leaving shep halfdead on the ground as he passes him/her)
joker fleeing from battle
dead squadmates on a "green planet"
shep not question the reaper ai why he looks like the boy he/she had nightmares from
red ending leaves you alive even if we "saw" the citadel explode

Indeed... good points...

[njfluffy19]

Garrus doesn't die-- he multiplies. CALIBRATIONS, THAT IS!

hurr hurr durr

[lavosslayer]

Aanlen wrote...

Pedpickle wrote...

njfluffy19 wrote...

LenabotSE wrote...


When you wake up near the beam, if your assets are low, you also see your dead teammates -- highly demoralizing sight just before you go up.

Is there any proof of this? I wanted to see, but I don't have the heart to do a half-assed playthrough to witness it.

I only have this one picture someone took from a yt vid.

http://i44.tinypic.com/6emb9i.jpg

Not  everyone got that though. I didnt. And holy God if I had gotten that, I woulnd never have survived.

I don't think that's Garrus...it could definitely be a turian as there were turians on the ground too...but unless you have proof of other squadmates being dead its really hard to say for certain...

[MissMaster_2]

This is what I think really happened.

Shepard is running towards the beam, she was a head of her team. Anderson is next to her when Herby's beam slams in to Shepard. Anderson is hit by the debris and is knocked out as well. Shepard's LI attempts to pull forward to get to Shepard, who is now covered in concrete Right then the Normandy fires at Herby to take the heat off of the ground team.While all of this is going on an unknown soldiers makes it to the Citadel and hits the kill switch on the Reapers. Shepard wakes up and the battle is already over. Unless Shepard's mind really destroys the Reapers but that is kind of space magicy...
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That is just what I'm going with though. I don't like the idea of Shepard having to get back up to try and fight though it- if that was the case it makes it really anticlimactic

Modifié par MissMaster_2, 12 mars 2012 - 06:37 .

[Militarized]

UKillMeLongTime wrote...

I kinda wanted an ending where shep and his 'mate' have a kid on the last fling and he/she is the next protagonist in me4 say 30 years later and shep can advise his kid as an aging old man.
Only issue is for gay sheps kinda hard to make a kid......

It's called adoption.