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[estebanus]

DJBare wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

DJBare wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Holy crap...

I did what you said @DJbare, and I'm more than sure that I could hear gunfire and screams!
Could it be the soldiers still fighting back on Earth around Shepard?

Anyways, good catch!

Give that person a cookie!!!
Thank you for confirming what I suspected, you are a star!!

hey, I said it first, now I want a cookie, too.

I missed your post, sorry, a cookie for you!

Wow, two people realized it in a matter of minutes!

[Dwailing]

balance5050 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Holy crap...

I did what you said @DJbare, and I'm more than sure that I could hear gunfire and screams!
Could it be the soldiers still fighting back on Earth around Shepard?

Anyways, good catch!

DAMN IT! now I have to play that part AGAIN!

Just make sure you're ready for the extreme suck of the endings.  I know that technically with IT they're amazing, but it's still hard sometimes. 

[byne]

SubAstris wrote...

byne wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

byne wrote...

SubAstris wrote...


His brains are non-existent at this point...

If you'd paid attention you'd know they explicitly established the helmet kept Shepard's brains intact.

Then it is no better written than the Synthesis ending

Care to explain why? Or is it just poorly written because it contradicted your belief that Shepard's brain was gone at that point?

It is not a belief, his head would be smashed if he had not burned in the atmosphere. It is his suit, made for combat, versus the planet.

Landing in the snow wearing combat armor designed to protect her head means she would no longer have a working brain?

A woman survived hitting a parking lot face first after her parachute failed to deploy properly. 

Granted she wasnt going terminal velocity, but she also wasnt wearing protective combat armor.

We dont know what terminal velocity is on the planet Shep crashed on, so we dont even know how fast Shep was falling. You're just making a lot of assumptions, and then claiming we're wrong because your assumptions say so.



Side note: why do I know so many stories of women falling from supposedly lethal heights and surviving?

[HellishFiend]

estebanus wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

DJBare wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Holy crap...

I did what you said @DJbare, and I'm more than sure that I could hear gunfire and screams!
Could it be the soldiers still fighting back on Earth around Shepard?

Anyways, good catch!

Give that person a cookie!!!
Thank you for confirming what I suspected, you are a star!!

hey, I said it first, now I want a cookie, too.

Don't worry, I'll share mine with you if you don't get any!

But I'm pretty sure that everyone on this thread who has contributed to it in some way will get a cookie if the IT is confirmed!

*cue Javik voice* We'll get more than that.

We'll have been a part of gaming history. And that's not an exaggeration, if you think about it. 

[balance5050]

NotAnotherDisplayName wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

NotAnotherDisplayName wrote...

Not to mention that the terminal velocity on planet X isn't going to be known, but however you slice it your brain is going to be all kinds of scrambled when you hit the ground at terminal velocity.  They don't really explain that part, they hand wave the brain, they talk about fluids to restart blood flow and using cybernetics to replace broken parts, but they leave out most of the brain.

Not saying it's not possible in sci-fi, bit it's a bit of a stretch.  More than synthesis?  Dunno about that, but the whole ressurection plot was always a bit off to me personally.

It was the helmet. Kept it intact.

Intact, I get, it didn't explode, but it's still going to be messed up based on our current understanding of brains and skulls.  Put an egg in a box and drop it off a building, it'll bust open.  Play football or box long enough and you'll get a concussion- your head may not split open, but your brain will be scrambled.

That's all I'm saying- the current ending is a stretch without explanation and to boot it feels sketchy, which IMO is why people are mad at that version of space magic.  We're more apt to tolerate hand waving when it makes for a good story, aren't we?

LOL about the egg, because we had a science experiment in middle school that consisted of trying to find a way to keep the egg protected somehow from a drop off the tallest building in our school (two stories). Pretty much everyone who used memory foam had an intact egg. Guess who invented memory foam; NASA. I'm just saying that the tech to is completly within reach for the ME universe.
He would only be falling at 85% the speed he would be if it were Earth anyway.

Modifié par balance5050, 30 avril 2012 - 09:19 .

[Dwailing]

HellishFiend wrote...

estebanus wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

DJBare wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Holy crap...

I did what you said @DJbare, and I'm more than sure that I could hear gunfire and screams!
Could it be the soldiers still fighting back on Earth around Shepard?

Anyways, good catch!

Give that person a cookie!!!
Thank you for confirming what I suspected, you are a star!!

hey, I said it first, now I want a cookie, too.

Don't worry, I'll share mine with you if you don't get any!

But I'm pretty sure that everyone on this thread who has contributed to it in some way will get a cookie if the IT is confirmed!

*cue Javik voice* We'll get more than that.

We'll have been a part of gaming history. And that's not an exaggeration, if you think about it. 

I know, first Deception and now this.  The ME fan community is a pretty impressive bunch.  Also, 1900 pages!  WOO HOO!  Virtual cookies for everyone! 

[byne]

Gasp, I just noticed something!

Page 1900! Huzzah!

[SubAstris]

HellishFiend wrote...

NotAnotherDisplayName wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

But he DIDN'T survive atmospheric re-entry.  HE FRAKKING DIED!!!  Cerberus rebuilt him using advanced tech that is actually quite likely to be developed at some point.

That Shep is more then dust after her little dive is quite magical non the less to be honest.

Depends entirely on the armors heat resistance to be honest. If you dont burn up in the atmosphere your body will only reach a set maximum velocity before impact. That is certainly gonna be lethal, but you wont be turned to dust from it.

Not to mention that the terminal velocity on planet X isn't going to be known, but however you slice it your brain is going to be all kinds of scrambled when you hit the ground at terminal velocity.  They don't really explain that part, they hand wave the brain, they talk about fluids to restart blood flow and using cybernetics to replace broken parts, but they leave out most of the brain.

Not saying it's not possible in sci-fi, bit it's a bit of a stretch.  More than synthesis?  Dunno about that, but the whole ressurection plot was always a bit off to me personally.

As I mentioned earlier, Sci Fi does require a higher suspension of disbelief, but the "ressurection plot" is not implausible in a sci-fi context. As Byne pointed out, someone in real life survived a 30k+ foot free fall inside a plane. If a "perfect storm" of luck and circumstance can lead to someone falling from that high in real life and LIVING, cant you suspend disbelief enough to accept the conditions of Shepard's death+resurrection ?

It does require a higher suspension of disbelief in certain ways, how this cannot also be applied to the Synthesis I don't know. People have so much reluctance for that, yet willingly accept an extremely unlikely occurance such as this. Stinks of hypocrisy

[estebanus]

HellishFiend wrote...

estebanus wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

DJBare wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Holy crap...

I did what you said @DJbare, and I'm more than sure that I could hear gunfire and screams!
Could it be the soldiers still fighting back on Earth around Shepard?

Anyways, good catch!

Give that person a cookie!!!
Thank you for confirming what I suspected, you are a star!!

hey, I said it first, now I want a cookie, too.

Don't worry, I'll share mine with you if you don't get any!

But I'm pretty sure that everyone on this thread who has contributed to it in some way will get a cookie if the IT is confirmed!

*cue Javik voice* We'll get more than that.

We'll have been a part of gaming history. And that's not an exaggeration, if you think about it. 

Agreed!
We would be seen as those who resisted indoctrination, making us famous in the internet.

[Unschuld]

DJBare wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

DJBare wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Holy crap...

I did what you said @DJbare, and I'm more than sure that I could hear gunfire and screams!
Could it be the soldiers still fighting back on Earth around Shepard?

Anyways, good catch!

Give that person a cookie!!!
Thank you for confirming what I suspected, you are a star!!

hey, I said it first, now I want a cookie, too.

I missed your post, sorry, a cookie for you!

 

I will have to try this tonight on my headset. That's a pretty awesome catch, if it means anything.

[MaximizedAction]

DJBare wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

DJBare wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Holy crap...

I did what you said @DJbare, and I'm more than sure that I could hear gunfire and screams!
Could it be the soldiers still fighting back on Earth around Shepard?

Anyways, good catch!

Give that person a cookie!!!
Thank you for confirming what I suspected, you are a star!!

hey, I said it first, now I want a cookie, too.

I missed your post, sorry, a cookie for you!

And you get a cake for pointing is towards it. This is so..brilliant!
I'm gonna be honest, how I feel now is how I felt back when I first started understand IT. If Bioware really intended it that way...man...they are geniuses, even more now!

This is EXACTLY how dreams work if something happens around you. You pick it up and your brain incorparates it somehow into your dream, sometimes the brain does it in funny ways.
When it happens to me, I don't know what it is I'm hearing but my brain puts it in some context that's familiar with the dream.
In Shep's case, she hears gunfire in random intervalls and the first thing the brain takes is electrical discharges, which are often random, too, and then chooses a Shakdow Broker surrounding, since that's where she heard a LOT of discharges.

It only seems logical.

[estebanus]

I think that if the IT is confirmed, we should make a memorial thread, where the names of all those are listed that contributed here.

Granted, it would be a tremendous undertaking, but I think it would be well worth it!

[n00bsauce2010]

Unschuld wrote...

DJBare wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

DJBare wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Holy crap...

I did what you said @DJbare, and I'm more than sure that I could hear gunfire and screams!
Could it be the soldiers still fighting back on Earth around Shepard?

Anyways, good catch!

Give that person a cookie!!!
Thank you for confirming what I suspected, you are a star!!

hey, I said it first, now I want a cookie, too.

I missed your post, sorry, a cookie for you!

*snip*

I will have to try this tonight on my headset. That's a pretty awesome catch, if it means anything.

Whats the find you guys are talking about?

[marcelo_sdk]

By SubAstris, we got the impression that Cerberus just throw some water in Shepard's face and he woke up.

Jacob said he was nothing more than flash and bones. That's why it took 2 year for him to wake (not fully healed).

I don't see how box and football concussions have something similar to that.

Modifié par marcelo_sdk, 30 avril 2012 - 09:24 .

[Dwailing]

MaximizedAction wrote...

DJBare wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

DJBare wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Holy crap...

I did what you said @DJbare, and I'm more than sure that I could hear gunfire and screams!
Could it be the soldiers still fighting back on Earth around Shepard?

Anyways, good catch!

Give that person a cookie!!!
Thank you for confirming what I suspected, you are a star!!

hey, I said it first, now I want a cookie, too.

I missed your post, sorry, a cookie for you!

And you get a cake for pointing is towards it. This is so..brilliant!
I'm gonna be honest, how I feel now is how I felt back when I first started understand IT. If Bioware really intended it that way...man...they are geniuses, even more now!

This is EXACTLY how dreams work if something happens around you. You pick it up and your brain incorparates it somehow into your dream, sometimes the brain does it in funny ways.
When it happens to me, I don't know what it is I'm hearing but my brain puts it in some context that's familiar with the dream.
In Shep's case, she hears gunfire in random intervalls and the first thing the brain takes is electrical discharges, which are often random, too, and then chooses a Shakdow Broker surrounding, since that's where she heard a LOT of discharges.

It only seems logical.

That would explain it.  I'm going to rewatch that section of the video and listen again.

[SubAstris]

byne wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

byne wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

byne wrote...

SubAstris wrote...


His brains are non-existent at this point...

If you'd paid attention you'd know they explicitly established the helmet kept Shepard's brains intact.

Then it is no better written than the Synthesis ending

Care to explain why? Or is it just poorly written because it contradicted your belief that Shepard's brain was gone at that point?

It is not a belief, his head would be smashed if he had not burned in the atmosphere. It is his suit, made for combat, versus the planet.

Landing in the snow wearing combat armor designed to protect her head means she would no longer have a working brain?

A woman survived hitting a parking lot face first after her parachute failed to deploy properly. 

Granted she wasnt going terminal velocity, but she also wasnt wearing protective combat armor.

We dont know what terminal velocity is on the planet Shep crashed on, so we dont even know how fast Shep was falling. You're just making a lot of assumptions, and then claiming we're wrong because your assumptions say so.



Side note: why do I know so many stories of women falling from supposedly lethal heights and surviving?

Sure, I haven't checked out the physics, but just using rough estimations of the speeds it seems as though he would just be juice. I don't really know how your first thought could be anything else. Why don't you see this is as weird but Synthesis as completely abnormal?

[byne]

SubAstris wrote...

It does require a higher suspension of disbelief in certain ways, how this cannot also be applied to the Synthesis I don't know. People have so much reluctance for that, yet willingly accept an extremely unlikely occurance such as this. Stinks of hypocrisy

They bothered to at least TRY explaining the Lazarus Project.

I figure if they had at least tried to explain Synthesis in even a very basic manner, less people would call it space magic.

We'd still hate it because it is forced homogenization based on the idea that diversity is bad, and thus an abhorrently racist idea, though.

[estebanus]

DJBare, MaximizedAction, HIGHFIVE!!!

[DJBare]

To sum up, "if" Shepard is still on earth and unconscious, then it's likely his brain will interpret fighting and gunfire as something else, remember he thinks he has made it to the citadel, all that tech, so gunfire can be interpreted as the arc and soldiers shouting as the echo's.

[Dwailing]

estebanus wrote...

I think that if the IT is confirmed, we should make a memorial thread, where the names of all those are listed that contributed here.

Granted, it would be a tremendous undertaking, but I think it would be well worth it!

Real or screen name?

[n00bsauce2010]

estebanus wrote...

DJBare, MaximizedAction, HIGHFIVE!!!

Whats the find people are raving about

[balance5050]

SubAstris wrote...

It does require a higher suspension of disbelief in certain ways, how this cannot also be applied to the Synthesis I don't know. People have so much reluctance for that, yet willingly accept an extremely unlikely occurance such as this. Stinks of hypocrisy

The possibilty of a brain surviving reantry intact with the help of future tech is on the other side of "likely" then synthesis.

Synthesis is MATHEMATICALLY IMPOSSIBLE because the energy needed for it is more than can exist in our galaxy. It's a mathematical impossiblity the same way that 1+1=/=3. In other words it can't happen in the ME dimension. 

[byne]

SubAstris wrote...

Sure, I haven't checked out the physics, but just using rough estimations of the speeds it seems as though he would just be juice. I don't really know how your first thought could be anything else. Why don't you see this is as weird but Synthesis as completely abnormal?

Because both in real life and in numerous sci-fi series, I've seen people survive extreme falls. I've never seen anyone turned into a robot by green light.

[estebanus]

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

DJBare wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

DJBare wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Holy crap...

I did what you said @DJbare, and I'm more than sure that I could hear gunfire and screams!
Could it be the soldiers still fighting back on Earth around Shepard?

Anyways, good catch!

Give that person a cookie!!!
Thank you for confirming what I suspected, you are a star!!

hey, I said it first, now I want a cookie, too.

I missed your post, sorry, a cookie for you!

*snip*

I will have to try this tonight on my headset. That's a pretty awesome catch, if it means anything.

Whats the find you guys are talking about?

Replay citadel: the return. Then go up to the ramp where Anderson is, but don't go too far, or else the scene will start.
Turn to either the left or right, then close your eyes, and listen...

I promise you, you'll know immediately what we found!

[n00bsauce2010]

@subastris - atmospheric pressure and gravity are about 13-15% less than Earth. So I'm assuming it can't be far off. The major difference between shep and the lady who survived the fall... is she didn't reenter from space... while Shep does.