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[Raistlin Majare 1992]

I hesitate to call it a battle, but the sounds certainly resemble the sounds from the Space battle and the rythm and power sounds like powerful guns beeing fired...but nothing conclusive.

[DJBare]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

I hesitate to call it a battle, but the sounds certainly resemble the sounds from the Space battle and the rythm and power sounds like powerful guns beeing fired...but nothing conclusive.

It's not a space battle, it's a ground battle.

[Dwailing]

byne wrote...

One thing I've sort of been wondering since my most recent playthrough:

Is it possible even the run towards the conduit isnt actually happening? I mean, a blind charge towards the conduit with a Reaper precision blasting all your troops is hardly the kind of tactic I'd expect from Admiral Anderson.

More like the tactics I'd expect from Sarge.

I noticed right before the conduit charge, you're talking to Anderson inside a troop transport, when suddenly the transport you're in shakes violently and the game cuts to black.

The very next scene, not even explaining what caused the shaking is this:



If you'll notice, the area they're standing has the same type of rubble Shepard is lying in at the end, including that one weird cord at the far right. Its even darker than the area near the beam, just like it is in the end. The Mako looking thing in the end could also just be the remains of the transport you were in.

Yeah, there's been some speculation that the run was actually happening in Shepard's head.  I had been thinking that at the very least Shepard started seeing things before being knocked out.  And yes, in hind sight, this does seem like something Sarge would have come up with.  At least it wasn't a single file line. 

EDIT:  Byne, GO TO roosterteeth.com RIGHT NOW!  THEY HAVE POSTED THE SEASON 10 TRAILER!  I'M ABOUT TO WATCH IT RIGHT NOW!

Modifié par Dwailing, 30 avril 2012 - 10:04 .

[DJBare]

If I am correct in my assumption, the run happened, after the laser struck Shepard is buried in rubble, he never left earth.

[liggy002]

byne wrote...

One thing I've sort of been wondering since my most recent playthrough:

Is it possible even the run towards the conduit isnt actually happening? I mean, a blind charge towards the conduit with a Reaper precision blasting all your troops is hardly the kind of tactic I'd expect from Admiral Anderson.

More like the tactics I'd expect from Sarge.

I noticed right before the conduit charge, you're talking to Anderson inside a troop transport, when suddenly the transport you're in shakes violently and the game cuts to black.

The very next scene, not even explaining what caused the shaking is this:



If you'll notice, the area they're standing has the same type of rubble Shepard is lying in at the end, including that one weird cord at the far right. Its even darker than the area near the beam, just like it is in the end. The Mako looking thing in the end could also just be the remains of the transport you were in.

It's possible but I would think that Shep could be indoctrinated after Harbinger drops down.  You see all of those weird comet looking effects when Harb comes down?  That could be him indoctrinating Shepard at that point.  Yes, it could happen before the run to the beam.  I'm still with the camp that the indoctrination begins after he gets blasted by the beam because that is the point from which things get really strange.

Modifié par liggy002, 30 avril 2012 - 10:07 .

[DJBare]

Need someone to analyse those echo's, I'm pretty sure some of them are vocal.

Modifié par DJBare, 30 avril 2012 - 10:06 .

[estebanus]

Look, there are only so many coincedences before a subtle pattern starts to emerge, and this gunfire/electricity arcing we're hearing is way beyond coincedence, IMO.

Modifié par estebanus, 30 avril 2012 - 10:06 .

[Stigweird85]

DJBare wrote...

Need someone to analyse those echo's, I'm pretty sure some of them are vocal.

What's the latest theory? II've missed around 50pages:lol:

[byne]

Dwailing wrote...

EDIT:  Byne, GO TO roosterteeth.com RIGHT NOW!  THEY HAVE POSTED THE SEASON 10 TRAILER!  I'M ABOUT TO WATCH IT RIGHT NOW!

You mean the teaser? The posted that on the 25th, man, where've you been?

Pro-tip: the fiery AI at the end calling itself the Meta is played by Elijah Wood.

Also: "I feel I must remind you that it is an undeniable, and may I say a fundamental quality of man, that when faced with extinction, every alternative is preferable"

Sounds like the Director believes submission is preferable to extinction. I always knew he was just Saren in disguise!

[balance5050]

estebanus wrote...

Look, there are only so many coincedences before a subtle pattern starts to emerge, and this gunfire/electricity arcing we're hearing is way beyond coincedence, IMO.

After enough frequency, coincidences become more. A couple things could be "just coincidences", but there are dozens of clues all leading to the same conclusion.

[DJBare]

estebanus wrote...

Look, there are only so many coincedences before a subtle pattern starts to emerge, and this gunfire/electricity arcing we're hearing is way beyond coincedence, IMO.

Well, I'm going to stick with "if" for now,
Is Shepard still on earth?, are the sounds he hears gunfire and people shouting?
There is a hell of a lot that points toward Shepard still being on earth and unconscious in a pile of rubble, but unless Bioware gives an answer, it's still speculative at best.

[estebanus]

bigstig wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Need someone to analyse those echo's, I'm pretty sure some of them are vocal.

What's the latest theory? II've missed around 50pages:lol:

Replay citadel: the return. Then go up to the ramp where Anderson is, but don't go too far, or else the scene will start.
Turn to either the left or right, then close your eyes, and listen...

I promise you, you'll know immediately what we found!

[Dwailing]

byne wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

EDIT:  Byne, GO TO roosterteeth.com RIGHT NOW!  THEY HAVE POSTED THE SEASON 10 TRAILER!  I'M ABOUT TO WATCH IT RIGHT NOW!

You mean the teaser? The posted that on the 25th, man, where've you been?

Pro-tip: the fiery AI at the end calling itself the Meta is played by Elijah Wood.

Also: "I feel I must remind you that it is an undeniable, and may I say a fundamental quality of man, that when faced with extinction, every alternative is preferable"

Sounds like the Director believes submission is preferable to extinction. I always knew he was just Saren in disguise!

Wait, it's been there for FIVE DAYS and I haven't seen it!?  How did this atrocity happen?

[DJBare]

bigstig wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Need someone to analyse those echo's, I'm pretty sure some of them are vocal.

What's the latest theory? II've missed around 50pages:lol:

I removed visuals, sound only www.youtube.com/watch
Make up your own mind what you hear.

[kyg_20X6]

Actually, just wanted to bring something up. I was a big supporter of IT after release but BW's interactions since have led me to believe they didn't/don't intend to reveal it and hope to leave it open to speculation (whether what's in the game is evidence or coincidence).

But they ARE releasing the EC, which won't change the endings and will add epilogue scenes. I'm just wondering if you guys still think/hope they'll release some IT DLC after the Extended Cut. As I see it, that would be very difficult. The Extended Cut will leave you with an ending and an epilogue (which, from some accounts, will recall major talent and be fairly expensive, for what it is). An ending and an epilogue is pretty final.

According to IT, a DLC about the theory would then take you back to before you make all those choices and make you play out a whole new ending. Which would then necessitate a whole new epilogue. I can't see BW (with the reports of the effort/expense they're putting into EC and their conviction that it will satisfy AND their desire not to change the endings) negating their Extended Cut like that, it would make it pointless (for ill or will).

[SubAstris]

byne wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

It does require a higher suspension of disbelief in certain ways, how this cannot also be applied to the Synthesis I don't know. People have so much reluctance for that, yet willingly accept an extremely unlikely occurance such as this. Stinks of hypocrisy

They bothered to at least TRY explaining the Lazarus Project.

I figure if they had at least tried to explain Synthesis in even a very basic manner, less people would call it space magic.

We'd still hate it because it is forced homogenization based on the idea that diversity is bad, and thus an abhorrently racist idea, though.

I suppose they might try to explain synthesis at least a bit in the EC (with the end taken at face-value).  They couldn't really have said anything about such an ending beforehand, because that would have ruined the suspense, and so too right at the end (what would be more annoying than a popping outlining how synthesis works?)

At least we can agree that synthesis is not great. I initially chose it, but have since thought about it again and yeah, the forced homogenisation thing is its great negative. I don't think it is rooted in the idea that diversity is bad though, rather in order to stop future genocide, a drastic step needs to be taken to stop it, which synthesis is. They never said it would be easy.

Nor would I call it "racist", more "speciest" if anything

[estebanus]

DJBare wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Look, there are only so many coincedences before a subtle pattern starts to emerge, and this gunfire/electricity arcing we're hearing is way beyond coincedence, IMO.

Well, I'm going to stick with "if" for now,
Is Shepard still on earth?, are the sounds he hears gunfire and people shouting?
There is a hell of a lot that points toward Shepard still being on earth and unconscious in a pile of rubble, but unless Bioware gives an answer, it's still speculative at best.

I know that it's not 100% true, otherwise it would be called fact, not theory.
And you've gotta admit that what we've found until now does really speak for itself. In volumes, as a matter of fact!

[estebanus]

kyg_20X6 wrote...

Actually, just wanted to bring something up. I was a big supporter of IT after release but BW's interactions since have led me to believe they didn't/don't intend to reveal it and hope to leave it open to speculation (whether what's in the game is evidence or coincidence).

But they ARE releasing the EC, which won't change the endings and will add epilogue scenes. I'm just wondering if you guys still think/hope they'll release some IT DLC after the Extended Cut. As I see it, that would be very difficult. The Extended Cut will leave you with an ending and an epilogue (which, from some accounts, will recall major talent and be fairly expensive, for what it is). An ending and an epilogue is pretty final.

According to IT, a DLC about the theory would then take you back to before you make all those choices and make you play out a whole new ending. Which would then necessitate a whole new epilogue. I can't see BW (with the reports of the effort/expense they're putting into EC and their conviction that it will satisfy AND their desire not to change the endings) negating their Extended Cut like that, it would make it pointless (for ill or will).

*sigh*

Will someone take this one, please?

[balance5050]

SubAstris wrote...

I suppose they might try to explain synthesis at least a bit in the EC (with the end taken at face-value).  They couldn't really have said anything about such an ending beforehand, because that would have ruined the suspense, and so too right at the end (what would be more annoying than a popping outlining how synthesis works?)

At least we can agree that synthesis is not great. I initially chose it, but have since thought about it again and yeah, the forced homogenisation thing is its great negative. I don't think it is rooted in the idea that diversity is bad though, rather in order to stop future genocide, a drastic step needs to be taken to stop it, which synthesis is. They never said it would be easy.

Nor would I call it "racist", more "speciest" if anything

Too bad synthesis won't stop any wars or genocide.

Modifié par balance5050, 30 avril 2012 - 10:17 .

[DJBare]

estebanus wrote...

DJBare wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Look, there are only so many coincedences before a subtle pattern starts to emerge, and this gunfire/electricity arcing we're hearing is way beyond coincedence, IMO.

Well, I'm going to stick with "if" for now,
Is Shepard still on earth?, are the sounds he hears gunfire and people shouting?
There is a hell of a lot that points toward Shepard still being on earth and unconscious in a pile of rubble, but unless Bioware gives an answer, it's still speculative at best.

I know that it's not 100% true, otherwise it would be called fact, not theory.
And you've gotta admit that what we've found until now does really speak for itself. In volumes, as a matter of fact!

After reading the Final Hours app, I'm going to remain on the cautious side, just glad I could give you guys a little more to chew on.

[Stigweird85]

DJBare wrote...

bigstig wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Need someone to analyse those echo's, I'm pretty sure some of them are vocal.

What's the latest theory? II've missed around 50pages:lol:

I removed visuals, sound only www.youtube.com/watch
Make up your own mind what you hear.

Interesting, it could be arcing, although there is nothing in the immediate chamber that would be arcing, There is definitly some sort of growl in  the background that is husk like. The question is where is it coming from? Even if the fight is continuing on Earth you wouldn't hear the echos in a space station in the upper atmosphere.  I suppose it could be the residents of the citadel but interesting

[DJBare]

bigstig wrote...

DJBare wrote...

bigstig wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Need someone to analyse those echo's, I'm pretty sure some of them are vocal.

What's the latest theory? II've missed around 50pages:lol:

I removed visuals, sound only www.youtube.com/watch
Make up your own mind what you hear.

Interesting, it could be arcing, although there is nothing in the immediate chamber that would be arcing, There is definitly some sort of growl in  the background that is husk like. The question is where is it coming from? Even if the fight is continuing on Earth you wouldn't hear the echos in a space station in the upper atmosphere.  I suppose it could be the residents of the citadel but interesting

That's assuming Shepard left earth

Modifié par DJBare, 30 avril 2012 - 10:19 .

[estebanus]

I'm going to play through the ending again, see if I missed anything.
I'll Be back in a little bit!

[ExtendedCut]

kyg_20X6 wrote...

Actually, just wanted to bring something up. I was a big supporter of IT after release but BW's interactions since have led me to believe they didn't/don't intend to reveal it and hope to leave it open to speculation (whether what's in the game is evidence or coincidence).

But they ARE releasing the EC, which won't change the endings and will add epilogue scenes. I'm just wondering if you guys still think/hope they'll release some IT DLC after the Extended Cut. As I see it, that would be very difficult. The Extended Cut will leave you with an ending and an epilogue (which, from some accounts, will recall major talent and be fairly expensive, for what it is). An ending and an epilogue is pretty final.

According to IT, a DLC about the theory would then take you back to before you make all those choices and make you play out a whole new ending. Which would then necessitate a whole new epilogue. I can't see BW (with the reports of the effort/expense they're putting into EC and their conviction that it will satisfy AND their desire not to change the endings) negating their Extended Cut like that, it would make it pointless (for ill or will).

I can't speak for anyone else, but I personally don't see a reason that Bioware would need to have some kind of DLC that explained IT.  They just need to reveal that Shepard was indoctrinated and then do something to actually provide closure - whether that's an extended ending or more playable action or ME4 (personally, I doubt it), then that would be plenty to close the trilogy.

[Stigweird85]

DJBare wrote...

bigstig wrote...

DJBare wrote...

bigstig wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Need someone to analyse those echo's, I'm pretty sure some of them are vocal.

What's the latest theory? II've missed around 50pages:lol:

I removed visuals, sound only www.youtube.com/watch
Make up your own mind what you hear.

Interesting, it could be arcing, although there is nothing in the immediate chamber that would be arcing, There is definitly some sort of growl in  the background that is husk like. The question is where is it coming from? Even if the fight is continuing on Earth you wouldn't hear the echos in a space station in the upper atmosphere.  I suppose it could be the residents of the citadel but interesting

That's assuming Shepard left earth

Very true,