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[estebanus]

Try firing the pistol after hearing those arcing sounds.
Sounds pretty similar, doesn't it?

[Hawk227]

DJBare wrote...

bigstig wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Need someone to analyse those echo's, I'm pretty sure some of them are vocal.

What's the latest theory? II've missed around 50pages:lol:

I removed visuals, sound only www.youtube.com/watch
Make up your own mind what you hear.

I don't know. I don't hear vocals, just after effects from the "lightning". Also, if it was a ground battle, I would expect to hear some rapid fire weapons too. Most soldiers are shown with Avengers. The blasts do sound kind of like reaper laser blasts, but I don't hear anything that sounds like alliance opposition firing back. Unless its just harbinger wrecking people. That background hum is interesting, though. Could conceivably be the conduit.

Obviously, I'm skeptical. Although I like the idea. My alarm clock always reads like a phone ringing in my dreams.

I do like Byne's idea about the hallucination starting at the transport crash. The seque from transport being hit to jumping out at the top of the hill seems really disjointed. If the mako can be suddenly stopped in its tracks, shouldn't the occupants be a little worse for wear? Plus all the rubble right there.

[Arian Dynas]

 [quote]MaximizedAction wrote...

Man, I can't wait for Arian to show up and tell us what he thinks about this new speculation material of ours.[/quote]

You rang?

I think it's good, solid stuff, but unfortunately, don't have the time to test it, college classes are hell.

[quote]EpyonX3 wrote...

[quote]byne wrote...

[quote]EpyonX3 wrote...

[quote]Dwailing wrote...

[quote]n00bsauce2010 wrote...

[quote]estebanus wrote...

DJBare, MaximizedAction, HIGHFIVE!!![/quote]

Whats the find people are raving about

[/quote]

These guys noticed that in the ending as Shepard is walking up the ramp towards Anderson you can hear what sounds like electricity arcing.  However, what they have speculated is that it's not actually electricity, but really the sound of gunfire during the battle raging around Shepard.

[/quote]

Yes it is. It's the poping of the ships shooting and exploding. This is what I pointed out a long time ago when I mentioned sounds travelling in the vacuum of space. It happens a lot in ME and the explanation I was given was auditory emulators.

[quote]Kyzee wrote...

 Hey, everyone! I'm back! Not that I expect the thread to come to a halt in celebration or anything, but hi! [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/smile.png[/smilie]
(Scandinavia is awesome, btw. If you get the chance, GO!)

So I left around page 1530, and I come back to page 1892--damn, you guys are prolific! So I've seen something about shadows in the scene with Shepard, Anderson, and TIM. I've seen people handing out cookies (*yoink*) Anything else happen in the time I've been away? Dare I hope that the insane flame wars have been to a minimum? [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/lol.png[/smilie]
[/quote]

For the most part, we've hade a few bad ones.

Anywho, welcome back, I remember you leaving, If you want a quick primer, I am afraid we don't have one, but if you care for some info bombs, check out my sig.

[/quote]

So to sum up: Harbinger's blast completely destroyed your kinetic barriers, completely charred your armor, but conveniently left your radio and auditory emulators intact?

[/quote]

I never thought that auditory emulators were built into your armor. I thought it was a ship and vehicle thing.

But if it is in the suit then why not? Not all of Shepard's body was charred either, look at his face and neck. Not much damage there.

[/quote]

It is a ship and vehicle thing. Watch the opening of ME2, the only sound you can hear in otherwise silent space is Shepard's ragged breathing.

[quote]balance5050 wrote...

[quote]NotAnotherDisplayName wrote...

[quote]balance5050 wrote...

LOL about the egg, because we had a science experiment in middle school that consisted of trying to find a way to keep the egg protected somehow from a drop off the tallest building in our school (two stories). Pretty much everyone who used memory foam had an intact egg. Guess who invented memory foam; NASA. I'm just saying that the tech to is completly within reach for the ME universe. 
He would only be falling at 85% the speed he would be if it were Earth anyway.

[/quote]

And I'm just saying that the experiment with the egg packed in memory foam.  In a helmet, at least from what we see of the helmets in Mass, your head can move around still.  Else punching and being hit by cars/trucks at sub 100mph wouldn't hurt either, as the foam in your armor would absorb the impact.  If you can hit the ground with such force all your bones are shattered (as seen in the in game movie when Shepard is being revived) that means you hit with enough force to get, at the least, a concussion.
[/quote]

I don't know if Shep ever *fully* recovered from the Lazerus project, His brain may have gotten scrambled a bit but it was all in one place. Perhaps they did have to push some grey matter back in place before starting his heart again. I don't know, but I do know that helmets fit snuggly around your head and there is no open space between your brain and skull besides fluid.

I wouldn't be surprised if they had to pull skull fragments from his brain, the point is its all in one place and "they had the technology"

[/quote]

There is alot of padding in the helmet, the helmet itself having no space between head and ablative shell. So Shepard likey DID have a severe concussion, the only question is wether or not it was sufficent to cause brain damage beyond the extremely superficial (which could account for some slight personality differences between ME1 and ME2, also they could have had enough of the brain intact to replace parts with cybernetics, if the frontal and prefrontal corticies were intact, but the cerebellum was not, boom, replace the cerebellum, Shepard's "Shepardness" is intact, but his brain is not.

And for that matter, some people can take considerable brain damage without being affected by it.

[quote]estebanus wrote...

I think that if the IT is confirmed, we should make a memorial thread, where the names of all those are listed that contributed here. 

Granted, it would be a tremendous undertaking, but I think it would be well worth it![/quote]

Arian Dynas - Indoctrinationist
SubAstris - Literalist
estebanus - Indoctrinationist
Rifneno - Indoctrinationist
Dwalling - Indoctrinationist
DJBare - Indoctrinationist
pirate1899 - Indoctrinationist
EpyonX3 - Indoctrinationist Cynic
GBGriffin - Literalist Apologist
byne - Indoctrinationist
Sammuthegreat - Indoctrinationist
lex0r11 - Indoctrinationist... 

[quote]DJBare wrote...

If I am correct in my assumption, the run happened, after the laser struck Shepard is buried in rubble, he never left earth.[/quote]

The only reason we have to question the run is basically the tactics, and to be honest, it's really a case of "You got a better soloution"? They need to get to the beam, Harbinger is guarding it, he can't possibly nail them all, ergo, CHARRRGE!

[quote]kyg_20X6 wrote...

Actually, just wanted to bring something up. I was a big supporter of IT after release but BW's interactions since have led me to believe they didn't/don't intend to reveal it and hope to leave it open to speculation (whether what's in the game is evidence or coincidence).

But they ARE releasing the EC, which won't change the endings and will add epilogue scenes. I'm just wondering if you guys still think/hope they'll release some IT DLC after the Extended Cut. As I see it, that would be very difficult. The Extended Cut will leave you with an ending and an epilogue (which, from some accounts, will recall major talent and be fairly expensive, for what it is). An ending and an epilogue is pretty final. 

According to IT, a DLC about the theory would then take you back to before you make all those choices and make you play out a whole new ending. Which would then necessitate a whole new epilogue. I can't see BW (with the reports of the effort/expense they're putting into EC and their conviction that it will satisfy AND their desire not to change the endings) negating their Extended Cut like that, it would make it pointless (for ill or will).[/quote]

Go back ten pages, read my theory on what Bioware planned. Think. Be happy. 

[byne]

Dwailing wrote...

byne wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

EDIT:  Byne, GO TO roosterteeth.com RIGHT NOW!  THEY HAVE POSTED THE SEASON 10 TRAILER!  I'M ABOUT TO WATCH IT RIGHT NOW!

You mean the teaser? The posted that on the 25th, man, where've you been?

Pro-tip: the fiery AI at the end calling itself the Meta is played by Elijah Wood.

Also: "I feel I must remind you that it is an undeniable, and may I say a fundamental quality of man, that when faced with extinction, every alternative is preferable"

Sounds like the Director believes submission is preferable to extinction. I always knew he was just Saren in disguise!

Wait, it's been there for FIVE DAYS and I haven't seen it!?  How did this atrocity happen?

Yknow, speaking of Rooster Teeth, Burnie said on the podcast that the woman who played one of the security checkpoint guards on the Normandy saw this video, and plans to just follow Burnie around and annoy him at the next con he goes to.

[DJBare]

Hawk227 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

bigstig wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Need someone to analyse those echo's, I'm pretty sure some of them are vocal.

What's the latest theory? II've missed around 50pages:lol:

I removed visuals, sound only www.youtube.com/watch
Make up your own mind what you hear.

I don't know. I don't hear vocals, just after effects from the "lightning". Also, if it was a ground battle, I would expect to hear some rapid fire weapons too. Most soldiers are shown with Avengers. The blasts do sound kind of like reaper laser blasts, but I don't hear anything that sounds like alliance opposition firing back. Unless its just harbinger wrecking people. That background hum is interesting, though. Could conceivably be the conduit.

Obviously, I'm skeptical. Although I like the idea. My alarm clock always reads like a phone ringing in my dreams.

I do like Byne's idea about the hallucination starting at the transport crash. The seque from transport being hit to jumping out at the top of the hill seems really disjointed. If the mako can be suddenly stopped in its tracks, shouldn't the occupants be a little worse for wear? Plus all the rubble right there.

If Shepard is unconscious, you have to take into account his dreams will not interpret outside stimuli accurately, one experiment I remember was a person being sprayed very lightly with water, they had a dream they were aboard a ship in a storm.

[Dwailing]

kyg_20X6 wrote...

Actually, just wanted to bring something up. I was a big supporter of IT after release but BW's interactions since have led me to believe they didn't/don't intend to reveal it and hope to leave it open to speculation (whether what's in the game is evidence or coincidence).

But they ARE releasing the EC, which won't change the endings and will add epilogue scenes. I'm just wondering if you guys still think/hope they'll release some IT DLC after the Extended Cut. As I see it, that would be very difficult. The Extended Cut will leave you with an ending and an epilogue (which, from some accounts, will recall major talent and be fairly expensive, for what it is). An ending and an epilogue is pretty final.

According to IT, a DLC about the theory would then take you back to before you make all those choices and make you play out a whole new ending. Which would then necessitate a whole new epilogue. I can't see BW (with the reports of the effort/expense they're putting into EC and their conviction that it will satisfy AND their desire not to change the endings) negating their Extended Cut like that, it would make it pointless (for ill or will).

Well, the way I see it, they don't need to change the endings, if by endings you're refering to the "choices" at the end.  All they need to do is show what happens to Shepard and the rest afterwards.

[SubAstris]

balance5050 wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

I suppose they might try to explain synthesis at least a bit in the EC (with the end taken at face-value).  They couldn't really have said anything about such an ending beforehand, because that would have ruined the suspense, and so too right at the end (what would be more annoying than a popping outlining how synthesis works?)

At least we can agree that synthesis is not great. I initially chose it, but have since thought about it again and yeah, the forced homogenisation thing is its great negative. I don't think it is rooted in the idea that diversity is bad though, rather in order to stop future genocide, a drastic step needs to be taken to stop it, which synthesis is. They never said it would be easy.

Nor would I call it "racist", more "speciest" if anything

Too bad synthesis won't stop any wars or genocide.

In an infinite stretch of time, the chances of such things occurring are probably equal to just destroying the Reapers and letting people get on with it. However with in-built synthetics, organic hybrids would have a better understanding of how machines work, so that when they create new AI, they will be to control and counteract them much better

[Hawk227]

DJBare wrote...

After reading the Final Hours app, I'm going to remain on the cautious side, just glad I could give you guys a little more to chew on.

I actually think the Final Hours app supports IT. It explicitly states they considered indoctrinating Shepard. If they thought it relevant to indoctrinate him, would they really drop it entirely because the mechanic was wonky?

Don't get me wrong, I'm being cautious too. But it has more to do with other stuff like Weekes and Gamble's responses, and the fact that a lot of the larger narrative in ME3 was kind of weak (Why was shepard okay with being grounded for 6 months? Why is there a Macguffin/Deus Ex Machina/Crucible no one knew about until just now) even though the finer details, like Tuchanka, were brilliant.

[Dwailing]

[quote]Arian Dynas wrote...

 [quote]MaximizedAction wrote...

Man, I can't wait for Arian to show up and tell us what he thinks about this new speculation material of ours.[/quote]

You rang?

I think it's good, solid stuff, but unfortunately, don't have the time to test it, college classes are hell.

[quote]EpyonX3 wrote...

[quote]byne wrote...

[quote]EpyonX3 wrote...

[quote]Dwailing wrote...

[quote]n00bsauce2010 wrote...

[quote]estebanus wrote...

DJBare, MaximizedAction, HIGHFIVE!!![/quote]

Whats the find people are raving about

[/quote]

These guys noticed that in the ending as Shepard is walking up the ramp towards Anderson you can hear what sounds like electricity arcing.  However, what they have speculated is that it's not actually electricity, but really the sound of gunfire during the battle raging around Shepard.

[/quote]

Yes it is. It's the poping of the ships shooting and exploding. This is what I pointed out a long time ago when I mentioned sounds travelling in the vacuum of space. It happens a lot in ME and the explanation I was given was auditory emulators.

[quote]Kyzee wrote...

 Hey, everyone! I'm back! Not that I expect the thread to come to a halt in celebration or anything, but hi! [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/smile.png[/smilie]
(Scandinavia is awesome, btw. If you get the chance, GO!)

So I left around page 1530, and I come back to page 1892--damn, you guys are prolific! So I've seen something about shadows in the scene with Shepard, Anderson, and TIM. I've seen people handing out cookies (*yoink*) Anything else happen in the time I've been away? Dare I hope that the insane flame wars have been to a minimum? [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/lol.png[/smilie]
[/quote]

For the most part, we've hade a few bad ones.

Anywho, welcome back, I remember you leaving, If you want a quick primer, I am afraid we don't have one, but if you care for some info bombs, check out my sig.

[/quote]

So to sum up: Harbinger's blast completely destroyed your kinetic barriers, completely charred your armor, but conveniently left your radio and auditory emulators intact?

[/quote]

I never thought that auditory emulators were built into your armor. I thought it was a ship and vehicle thing.

But if it is in the suit then why not? Not all of Shepard's body was charred either, look at his face and neck. Not much damage there.

[/quote]

It is a ship and vehicle thing. Watch the opening of ME2, the only sound you can hear in otherwise silent space is Shepard's ragged breathing.

[quote]balance5050 wrote...

[quote]NotAnotherDisplayName wrote...

[quote]balance5050 wrote...

LOL about the egg, because we had a science experiment in middle school that consisted of trying to find a way to keep the egg protected somehow from a drop off the tallest building in our school (two stories). Pretty much everyone who used memory foam had an intact egg. Guess who invented memory foam; NASA. I'm just saying that the tech to is completly within reach for the ME universe. 
He would only be falling at 85% the speed he would be if it were Earth anyway.

[/quote]

And I'm just saying that the experiment with the egg packed in memory foam.  In a helmet, at least from what we see of the helmets in Mass, your head can move around still.  Else punching and being hit by cars/trucks at sub 100mph wouldn't hurt either, as the foam in your armor would absorb the impact.  If you can hit the ground with such force all your bones are shattered (as seen in the in game movie when Shepard is being revived) that means you hit with enough force to get, at the least, a concussion.
[/quote]

I don't know if Shep ever *fully* recovered from the Lazerus project, His brain may have gotten scrambled a bit but it was all in one place. Perhaps they did have to push some grey matter back in place before starting his heart again. I don't know, but I do know that helmets fit snuggly around your head and there is no open space between your brain and skull besides fluid.

I wouldn't be surprised if they had to pull skull fragments from his brain, the point is its all in one place and "they had the technology"

[/quote]

There is alot of padding in the helmet, the helmet itself having no space between head and ablative shell. So Shepard likey DID have a severe concussion, the only question is wether or not it was sufficent to cause brain damage beyond the extremely superficial (which could account for some slight personality differences between ME1 and ME2, also they could have had enough of the brain intact to replace parts with cybernetics, if the frontal and prefrontal corticies were intact, but the cerebellum was not, boom, replace the cerebellum, Shepard's "Shepardness" is intact, but his brain is not.

And for that matter, some people can take considerable brain damage without being affected by it.

[quote]estebanus wrote...

I think that if the IT is confirmed, we should make a memorial thread, where the names of all those are listed that contributed here. 

Granted, it would be a tremendous undertaking, but I think it would be well worth it![/quote]

Arian Dynas - Indoctrinationist
SubAstris - Literalist
estebanus - Indoctrinationist
Rifneno - Indoctrinationist
Dwalling - Indoctrinationist
DJBare - Indoctrinationist
pirate1899 - Indoctrinationist
EpyonX3 - Indoctrinationist Cynic
GBGriffin - Literalist Apologist
byne - Indoctrinationist
Sammuthegreat - Indoctrinationist
lex0r11 - Indoctrinationist... 

[quote]DJBare wrote...

If I am correct in my assumption, the run happened, after the laser struck Shepard is buried in rubble, he never left earth.[/quote]

The only reason we have to question the run is basically the tactics, and to be honest, it's really a case of "You got a better soloution"? They need to get to the beam, Harbinger is guarding it, he can't possibly nail them all, ergo, CHARRRGE!

[quote]kyg_20X6 wrote...

Actually, just wanted to bring something up. I was a big supporter of IT after release but BW's interactions since have led me to believe they didn't/don't intend to reveal it and hope to leave it open to speculation (whether what's in the game is evidence or coincidence).

But they ARE releasing the EC, which won't change the endings and will add epilogue scenes. I'm just wondering if you guys still think/hope they'll release some IT DLC after the Extended Cut. As I see it, that would be very difficult. The Extended Cut will leave you with an ending and an epilogue (which, from some accounts, will recall major talent and be fairly expensive, for what it is). An ending and an epilogue is pretty final. 

According to IT, a DLC about the theory would then take you back to before you make all those choices and make you play out a whole new ending. Which would then necessitate a whole new epilogue. I can't see BW (with the reports of the effort/expense they're putting into EC and their conviction that it will satisfy AND their desire not to change the endings) negating their Extended Cut like that, it would make it pointless (for ill or will).[/quote]

Go back ten pages, read my theory on what Bioware planned. Think. Be happy. 

[/quote]

Arian!  You're back! (obviously )  Would you kindly repost your new version of the after endings sequence?

[NeoDobby]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Arian Dynas - Indoctrinationist
SubAstris - Literalist
estebanus - Indoctrinationist
Rifneno - Indoctrinationist
Dwalling - Indoctrinationist
DJBare - Indoctrinationist
pirate1899 - Indoctrinationist
EpyonX3 - Indoctrinationist Cynic
GBGriffin - Literalist Apologist
byne - Indoctrinationist
Sammuthegreat - Indoctrinationist
lex0r11 - Indoctrinationist...

Wait - you're all Indoctrinationists, as in "indoctrinating entities"? No wonder you got so many convincing arguments and leave me all in superficial awe! SubAstris must have a really strong mind!

[Dwailing]

byne wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

byne wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

EDIT:  Byne, GO TO roosterteeth.com RIGHT NOW!  THEY HAVE POSTED THE SEASON 10 TRAILER!  I'M ABOUT TO WATCH IT RIGHT NOW!

You mean the teaser? The posted that on the 25th, man, where've you been?

Pro-tip: the fiery AI at the end calling itself the Meta is played by Elijah Wood.

Also: "I feel I must remind you that it is an undeniable, and may I say a fundamental quality of man, that when faced with extinction, every alternative is preferable"

Sounds like the Director believes submission is preferable to extinction. I always knew he was just Saren in disguise!

Wait, it's been there for FIVE DAYS and I haven't seen it!?  How did this atrocity happen?

Yknow, speaking of Rooster Teeth, Burnie said on the podcast that the woman who played one of the security checkpoint guards on the Normandy saw this video, and plans to just follow Burnie around and annoy him at the next con he goes to.

That should be interesting.  To quote Joker, "Take pictures." 

[DJBare]

Hawk227 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

After reading the Final Hours app, I'm going to remain on the cautious side, just glad I could give you guys a little more to chew on.

I actually think the Final Hours app supports IT.

It supports they considered and experimented with it, it also supports they dropped the idea due to engine limitations, whether they overcome those problems and decide to continue with it is another matter entirely.

[Arashi08]

byne wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Sure, I haven't checked out the physics, but just using rough estimations of the speeds it seems as though he would just be juice. I don't really know how your first thought could be anything else. Why don't you see this is as weird but Synthesis as completely abnormal?

Because both in real life and in numerous sci-fi series, I've seen people survive extreme falls. I've never seen anyone turned into a robot by green light.

well there was this one BLUE light...

[Dwailing]

NeoDobby wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Arian Dynas - Indoctrinationist
SubAstris - Literalist
estebanus - Indoctrinationist
Rifneno - Indoctrinationist
Dwalling - Indoctrinationist
DJBare - Indoctrinationist
pirate1899 - Indoctrinationist
EpyonX3 - Indoctrinationist Cynic
GBGriffin - Literalist Apologist
byne - Indoctrinationist
Sammuthegreat - Indoctrinationist
lex0r11 - Indoctrinationist...

Wait - you're all Indoctrinationists, as in "indoctrinating entities"? No wonder you got so many convincing arguments and leave me all in superficial awe! SubAstris must have a really strong mind!

Or a very thick skull. 

[liggy002]

ExtendedCut wrote...

kyg_20X6 wrote...

Actually, just wanted to bring something up. I was a big supporter of IT after release but BW's interactions since have led me to believe they didn't/don't intend to reveal it and hope to leave it open to speculation (whether what's in the game is evidence or coincidence).

But they ARE releasing the EC, which won't change the endings and will add epilogue scenes. I'm just wondering if you guys still think/hope they'll release some IT DLC after the Extended Cut. As I see it, that would be very difficult. The Extended Cut will leave you with an ending and an epilogue (which, from some accounts, will recall major talent and be fairly expensive, for what it is). An ending and an epilogue is pretty final.

According to IT, a DLC about the theory would then take you back to before you make all those choices and make you play out a whole new ending. Which would then necessitate a whole new epilogue. I can't see BW (with the reports of the effort/expense they're putting into EC and their conviction that it will satisfy AND their desire not to change the endings) negating their Extended Cut like that, it would make it pointless (for ill or will).

I can't speak for anyone else, but I personally don't see a reason that Bioware would need to have some kind of DLC that explained IT.  They just need to reveal that Shepard was indoctrinated and then do something to actually provide closure - whether that's an extended ending or more playable action or ME4 (personally, I doubt it), then that would be plenty to close the trilogy.

They need a Harbinger boss battle and a conversation with him.  This game is lame without it.

[Arian Dynas]

Reposting this to answer a few questions about why this is a realistic marketing idea for Bioware.

NoSpin wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...



I see them as underestimating our anger, and overestimating the majority of fans both. Someone said it themselves a page or two back, "we're the only group doing what Bioware wants, speculating." They expected us to be happy with the ending as it stands, or at least satisfied, haveing us going "meh, it's not great, it's kind of a let down, and definately a Deus Ex ripoff, but meh, I got mostly what I wanted out of it. Now I'll go play some Multiplayer until I get bore..oooooh... new free multiplayer expansion pack for me? ****in, now I level up my Batarian soldier, and my Kro...oohhh! New Single Player DLC? COOL! I'm gonna start a new game for that, try another run thro...oooh! I finished my single player game in time for YET MORE MULTIPLAYER DLC!" And it would go like that, the people most interested in the story getting involved with stuff like ANN, seeing more of the war unfold via twitter, over a month or two, when suddenly, BIG NEWS! YOU GUYS WERE INDOCTRINATED THE WHOLE TIME! Unfortunately,  people got pissed, and one of two things happened, they are either making the EC to make indoctrination more obvious, so they can wrap up the game in an expansion pack/final Seige of Earth DLC, or they moved that DLC forward in the schedule.

So in short, that is what I think the plan WAS, now they're either sticking to the plan, playing Reapers to our Shepard, and pretending to be defending a facce value ending, "indoctrinating" more of us and waiting for more people to finish the game, maybe even answer some questions at PAX, announcing that the war continues on all fronts, but the backlash took them off guard. so either the plan has been scrapped and they are trying to adjust (less likely) or they chose to stick to the plan, despite the odds, giving vauge, cryptic hints about more planned, and generally trying to keep people's interest, because one thing we know, they wanted the ending memorable, and Mass Effect 3 would not be going out with a whimper if they stuck by this.

Quoted for complete truth. Bioware expected us to be somewhat satisfied by their ending, with indoctrination to be revealed as a shock/intro to ME4/Expansion Pack later. They didn't forsee the anger. They didn't forsee the demand for answers immediately. People see Bioware being caught off guard as evidence against IT, I disagree. It may show that Casey and Mac can't make a believable "false" ending, but it doesn't dampen IT hopes.

Of course we all do need to prepare for the situation where Bioware scrapped Indoctrination COMPLETELY. They may have left the hints we found and it was originally the plan, but due to budget or time issues they scrapped their grand plan in favor of ending everything. Mac and Casey pulled the ending out left field and their poor understanding of what ME is lead us here. I don't find this situation likely, but it is possible.

[Dwailing]

liggy002 wrote...

ExtendedCut wrote...

kyg_20X6 wrote...

Actually, just wanted to bring something up. I was a big supporter of IT after release but BW's interactions since have led me to believe they didn't/don't intend to reveal it and hope to leave it open to speculation (whether what's in the game is evidence or coincidence).

But they ARE releasing the EC, which won't change the endings and will add epilogue scenes. I'm just wondering if you guys still think/hope they'll release some IT DLC after the Extended Cut. As I see it, that would be very difficult. The Extended Cut will leave you with an ending and an epilogue (which, from some accounts, will recall major talent and be fairly expensive, for what it is). An ending and an epilogue is pretty final.

According to IT, a DLC about the theory would then take you back to before you make all those choices and make you play out a whole new ending. Which would then necessitate a whole new epilogue. I can't see BW (with the reports of the effort/expense they're putting into EC and their conviction that it will satisfy AND their desire not to change the endings) negating their Extended Cut like that, it would make it pointless (for ill or will).

I can't speak for anyone else, but I personally don't see a reason that Bioware would need to have some kind of DLC that explained IT.  They just need to reveal that Shepard was indoctrinated and then do something to actually provide closure - whether that's an extended ending or more playable action or ME4 (personally, I doubt it), then that would be plenty to close the trilogy.

They need a Harbinger boss battle and a conversation with him.  This game is lame without it.

I'm going to restate my idea for a Harbinger boss battle.  How about using the laser designator from the Reaper battle on Rannoch to direct EVERY SINGLE SHIP IN SWORD FLEET TO TURN HARBINGER INTO A GREY SMEAR IN THE MIDDLE OF A VERY LARGE CRATER?!  I think it would be awesome.

[balance5050]

SubAstris wrote...

In an infinite stretch of time, the chances of such things occurring are probably equal to just destroying the Reapers and letting people get on with it. However with in-built synthetics, organic hybrids would have a better understanding of how machines work, so that when they create new AI, they will be to control and counteract them much better

Dude, you just gave every Krogan synthetics, things are going to be a lot worse in the long run. That's why it's specist, war and genocide happen regardless of what the synthetics do.

[byne]

Dwailing wrote...

NeoDobby wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Arian Dynas - Indoctrinationist
SubAstris - Literalist
estebanus - Indoctrinationist
Rifneno - Indoctrinationist
Dwalling - Indoctrinationist
DJBare - Indoctrinationist
pirate1899 - Indoctrinationist
EpyonX3 - Indoctrinationist Cynic
GBGriffin - Literalist Apologist
byne - Indoctrinationist
Sammuthegreat - Indoctrinationist
lex0r11 - Indoctrinationist...

Wait - you're all Indoctrinationists, as in "indoctrinating entities"? No wonder you got so many convincing arguments and leave me all in superficial awe! SubAstris must have a really strong mind!

Or a very thick skull. 

Yknow, back in the earlier days of IT, someone on 4chan said I was indoctrinating BSN, claiming he'd never seen so many people on BSN agree on something before...

Maybe he was right!

[Hawk227]

DJBare wrote...

Hawk227 wrote...

I don't know. I don't hear vocals, just after effects from the "lightning". Also, if it was a ground battle, I would expect to hear some rapid fire weapons too. Most soldiers are shown with Avengers. The blasts do sound kind of like reaper laser blasts, but I don't hear anything that sounds like alliance opposition firing back. Unless its just harbinger wrecking people. That background hum is interesting, though. Could conceivably be the conduit.

Obviously, I'm skeptical. Although I like the idea. My alarm clock always reads like a phone ringing in my dreams.

I do like Byne's idea about the hallucination starting at the transport crash. The seque from transport being hit to jumping out at the top of the hill seems really disjointed. If the mako can be suddenly stopped in its tracks, shouldn't the occupants be a little worse for wear? Plus all the rubble right there.

If Shepard is unconscious, you have to take into account his dreams will not interpret outside stimuli accurately, one experiment I remember was a person being sprayed very lightly with water, they had a dream they were aboard a ship in a storm.

For me, that's where the electric arcing in the circular chasm comes in. Hear alarm, dream phone. Hear gunfire, dream arcing electricity. Would his brain edit out the rapid firing avengers? They could have just had rapidly arcing bits here and there to account for the avengers. It's a gunfight, but you don't hear all of it because his brain is interpreting it weird. I feel like it's poor form on our part to try and have it both ways.

[Arian Dynas]

Dwailing wrote...

NeoDobby wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Arian Dynas - Indoctrinationist
SubAstris - Literalist
estebanus - Indoctrinationist
Rifneno - Indoctrinationist
Dwalling - Indoctrinationist
DJBare - Indoctrinationist
pirate1899 - Indoctrinationist
EpyonX3 - Indoctrinationist Cynic
GBGriffin - Literalist Apologist
byne - Indoctrinationist
Sammuthegreat - Indoctrinationist
lex0r11 - Indoctrinationist...

Wait - you're all Indoctrinationists, as in "indoctrinating entities"? No wonder you got so many convincing arguments and leave me all in superficial awe! SubAstris must have a really strong mind!

Or a very thick skull. 

You sure his name isn't Isador Akios?

"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."

[byne]

Dwailing wrote...


I'm going to restate my idea for a Harbinger boss battle.  How about using the laser designator from the Reaper battle on Rannoch to direct EVERY SINGLE SHIP IN SWORD FLEET TO TURN HARBINGER INTO A GREY SMEAR IN THE MIDDLE OF A VERY LARGE CRATER?!  I think it would be awesome.

Speaking of cool weapons we only get to use once, why do we never once use the turret installed on the shuttle before or after the mission to rescue Zaal'Koris?  Seems like it'd have been pretty useful.

Modifié par byne, 30 avril 2012 - 10:37 .

[Dwailing]

byne wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

NeoDobby wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Arian Dynas - Indoctrinationist
SubAstris - Literalist
estebanus - Indoctrinationist
Rifneno - Indoctrinationist
Dwalling - Indoctrinationist
DJBare - Indoctrinationist
pirate1899 - Indoctrinationist
EpyonX3 - Indoctrinationist Cynic
GBGriffin - Literalist Apologist
byne - Indoctrinationist
Sammuthegreat - Indoctrinationist
lex0r11 - Indoctrinationist...

Wait - you're all Indoctrinationists, as in "indoctrinating entities"? No wonder you got so many convincing arguments and leave me all in superficial awe! SubAstris must have a really strong mind!

Or a very thick skull. 

Yknow, back in the earlier days of IT, someone on 4chan said I was indoctrinating BSN, claiming he'd never seen so many people on BSN agree on something before...

Maybe he was right!

No, as much as I hate to say this, I think people were still more united in hatred over ME Deception.  There wasn't a person on the board who actually liked it.  Well, there might have been a couple, but when I say a couple, I mean a couple out of pretty much everyone.  That thing was so bad, it almost makes a literal interpretation of the endings seem good.  Almost.  What can I say, you should see the list of inaccuracies in Deception.  Ouch.

[DJBare]

Hawk227 wrote...

For me, that's where the electric arcing in the circular chasm comes in. Hear alarm, dream phone. Hear gunfire, dream arcing electricity. Would his brain edit out the rapid firing avengers? They could have just had rapidly arcing bits here and there to account for the avengers. It's a gunfight, but you don't hear all of it because his brain is interpreting it weird. I feel like it's poor form on our part to try and have it both ways.

Well, if we are to consider that the developers did not want us to get it too easily, then avengers are going to stand out somewhat.

[Hawk227]

I still like Arian's explanation from a few days ago that there were supposed to be 2 separate endings. The face value ending goes over well for newbies who like how "profound" it is, while hardcore fans recognize the indoctrination and appreciate it for what it is. But they overestimated the hardcore fans, and people didn't get it, or didn't want it.