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[Arian Dynas]

SubAstris wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

**** that noise, I'll do it right now.

Literalist MEANS you take the ending at face value. You don't like the implication that it implies, we get it. Get over it, "cult" also has a negative connotation, but the word accurately describes Christianity (formed around a charismatic leader, centering their worship primarily around him.) So get over connotations. Live up to your name and TAKE THE WORD FOR WHAT IT LITERALLY IS.

Yet the clear implication when someone uses the word "cult" is that it is a small group ( I wouldn't call 2 billion Christians worldwide small...). Cult isn't really a good word to use to describe something bid like Christianity, it can mean a group forming around the charismatic leader, BUT ALSO implies a small group). Using the word, "religion" is much more appropriate. On similar grounds I object to literalist

In that case, every time you complain about it, I will have only one thing to say to you about it.

Deal With It.

[ExtendedCut]

byne wrote...



Godchild calls synthesis the final stage of evolution or some such crap, meaning that other species arent going to evolve to be better than the krogan at any point. So the krogan can still take over the galaxy.

What the hell does "the final stage of evolution" mean anyway?  Aren't the Reapers already part synthetic and part organic?  So, if you choose synthesis, does that mean that the Reapers stay pretty much the same and continue to go on killing everyone?

[byne]

Arian Dynas wrote...


I only called Epyon a Indoctrinationist Cynic because he beleives IDT, but is constantly criticizing it in an attempt to trim off the more questionable evidence

Wait... he does?

[SubAstris]

Arian Dynas wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

**** that noise, I'll do it right now.

Literalist MEANS you take the ending at face value. You don't like the implication that it implies, we get it. Get over it, "cult" also has a negative connotation, but the word accurately describes Christianity (formed around a charismatic leader, centering their worship primarily around him.) So get over connotations. Live up to your name and TAKE THE WORD FOR WHAT IT LITERALLY IS.

Yet the clear implication when someone uses the word "cult" is that it is a small group ( I wouldn't call 2 billion Christians worldwide small...). Cult isn't really a good word to use to describe something bid like Christianity, it can mean a group forming around the charismatic leader, BUT ALSO implies a small group). Using the word, "religion" is much more appropriate. On similar grounds I object to literalist

In that case, every time you complain about it, I will have only one thing to say to you about it.

Deal With It.

As long as you concede it is a close, but ultimately inaccurate, term

[Arian Dynas]

Dwailing wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

estebanus wrote...

NeoDobby wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Arian Dynas - Indoctrinationist
SubAstris - Literalist
estebanus - Indoctrinationist
Rifneno - Indoctrinationist
Dwalling - Indoctrinationist
DJBare - Indoctrinationist
pirate1899 - Indoctrinationist
EpyonX3 - Indoctrinationist Cynic
GBGriffin - Literalist Apologist
byne - Indoctrinationist
Sammuthegreat - Indoctrinationist
lex0r11 - Indoctrinationist...

Wait - you're all Indoctrinationists, as in "indoctrinating entities"? No wonder you got so many convincing arguments and leave me all in superficial awe! SubAstris must have a really strong mind!

You know, there are probably more people that have contributed to this thread than are listed up there.

What about balance 5050? or Earthborn_Shepard? Or what about the esteemed Greywardencommander?

I remember them. But if you think I am going to take the time to write down the names of every contributor to this thread JUST FOR AN EXAMPLE, you're out of your friggin mind.

Calm down, my good man!
Maybe we should stick to those who regularly contribute here then, yes?

I would suggest special mention for waldstr18.  He deserves special mention for being a complete and total jerk.  In fact, that could be his entry: complete and total jerk/troll.

No. The greatest insult to be paid to an enemy, is to be ignored.

[NotAnotherDisplayName]

balance5050 wrote...

NotAnotherDisplayName wrote...

Other than they can't get past their local systems due to all of the relays being blown up.  That and the story implied that the curing on the genophage was a rebirth for the krogan in more than one sense- both physically and culturally, which means they may not be after galactic domination.

But they always did have the best dialog lines, so maybe a Krogan empire isn't all that bad

Population alone allows the Krogans to take over whether they try or not. There are still FTL capable ships and they will belong to the krogan sooner or later.

It would take somomething like 10,000 years to cross the galaxy once at the in-fiction rate of FTL, and because of that many areas of the galaxy in ME1/2/3 are unexplored because they're too far from relays.  So in 10,000 years no one figures out how to beat them, or evolves a way to defend themselves, or the Krogan develop a culture that respects other races and slows their own birth rate? 

With the theory that everything will belong to the Krogan sooner or later, you've pretty much said no matter what ending you pick the Krogan win if you cured the genophage. 

[estebanus]

Arian Dynas wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

estebanus wrote...

NeoDobby wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Arian Dynas - Indoctrinationist
SubAstris - Literalist
estebanus - Indoctrinationist
Rifneno - Indoctrinationist
Dwalling - Indoctrinationist
DJBare - Indoctrinationist
pirate1899 - Indoctrinationist
EpyonX3 - Indoctrinationist Cynic
GBGriffin - Literalist Apologist
byne - Indoctrinationist
Sammuthegreat - Indoctrinationist
lex0r11 - Indoctrinationist...

Wait - you're all Indoctrinationists, as in "indoctrinating entities"? No wonder you got so many convincing arguments and leave me all in superficial awe! SubAstris must have a really strong mind!

You know, there are probably more people that have contributed to this thread than are listed up there.

What about balance 5050? or Earthborn_Shepard? Or what about the esteemed Greywardencommander?

I remember them. But if you think I am going to take the time to write down the names of every contributor to this thread JUST FOR AN EXAMPLE, you're out of your friggin mind.

Calm down, my good man!
Maybe we should stick to those who regularly contribute here then, yes?

Oh hell no, I say go all out, list everyone by their affiliation (I only called Epyon a Indoctrinationist Cynic because he beleives IDT, but is constantly criticizing it in an attempt to trim off the more questionable evidence, while GBGriffin actually made good arguments against IDT, as well as spending his time making his side credible, therefore he is an Apologist.)

If we list everyone, that means we're going to have to go through a joint operation through the soon-to-be 2000 page long thread in order to find all the contributors!

Granted, it would be helluva lot of work, but I think the end result would most definitely be worth it!

[Golferguy758]

@ estebanus
I really can't tell. The kid too glowy to notice if his eyes has the dots

Off topic:
Apparently Mark Meer is a fan of MLP. It explains why Shepard gave up at the end. he really wanted to get out of there to go watch it.

[Dwailing]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

estebanus wrote...

NeoDobby wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Arian Dynas - Indoctrinationist
SubAstris - Literalist
estebanus - Indoctrinationist
Rifneno - Indoctrinationist
Dwalling - Indoctrinationist
DJBare - Indoctrinationist
pirate1899 - Indoctrinationist
EpyonX3 - Indoctrinationist Cynic
GBGriffin - Literalist Apologist
byne - Indoctrinationist
Sammuthegreat - Indoctrinationist
lex0r11 - Indoctrinationist...

Wait - you're all Indoctrinationists, as in "indoctrinating entities"? No wonder you got so many convincing arguments and leave me all in superficial awe! SubAstris must have a really strong mind!

You know, there are probably more people that have contributed to this thread than are listed up there.

What about balance 5050? or Earthborn_Shepard? Or what about the esteemed Greywardencommander?

I remember them. But if you think I am going to take the time to write down the names of every contributor to this thread JUST FOR AN EXAMPLE, you're out of your friggin mind.

Calm down, my good man!
Maybe we should stick to those who regularly contribute here then, yes?

I would suggest special mention for waldstr18.  He deserves special mention for being a complete and total jerk.  In fact, that could be his entry: complete and total jerk/troll.

No. The greatest insult to be paid to an enemy, is to be ignored.

Ah, right.  I forgot that little detail.

[byne]

Golferguy758 wrote...

@ estebanus
I really can't tell. The kid too glowy to notice if his eyes has the dots

Off topic:
Apparently Mark Meer is a fan of MLP. It explains why Shepard gave up at the end. he really wanted to get out of there to go watch it.

Yet another reason Jennifer Hale is far superior!

[balance5050]

SubAstris wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

**** that noise, I'll do it right now.

Literalist MEANS you take the ending at face value. You don't like the implication that it implies, we get it. Get over it, "cult" also has a negative connotation, but the word accurately describes Christianity (formed around a charismatic leader, centering their worship primarily around him.) So get over connotations. Live up to your name and TAKE THE WORD FOR WHAT IT LITERALLY IS.

Yet the clear implication when someone uses the word "cult" is that it is a small group ( I wouldn't call 2 billion Christians worldwide small...). Cult isn't really a good word to use to describe something bid like Christianity, it can mean a group forming around the charismatic leader, BUT ALSO implies a small group). Using the word, "religion" is much more appropriate. On similar grounds I object to literalist

Cult's can be big or small.

Literalist is just clean compared to "guy who blabla" Atleast come up with a single word for it. How about "facist"... no, looks like "fascist"

[Dwailing]

OK, I have to go somewhere now. I'll see you all later.

[Golferguy758]

byne wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

@ estebanus
I really can't tell. The kid too glowy to notice if his eyes has the dots

Off topic:
Apparently Mark Meer is a fan of MLP. It explains why Shepard gave up at the end. he really wanted to get out of there to go watch it.

Yet another reason Jennifer Hale is far superior!

Haha. So, byne, anything new today I should be aware of when it comes to the thread?

[Dwailing]

byne wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

@ estebanus
I really can't tell. The kid too glowy to notice if his eyes has the dots

Off topic:
Apparently Mark Meer is a fan of MLP. It explains why Shepard gave up at the end. he really wanted to get out of there to go watch it.

Yet another reason Jennifer Hale is far superior!

  That is all.

[Arian Dynas]

Golferguy758 wrote...

@ estebanus
I really can't tell. The kid too glowy to notice if his eyes has the dots

Off topic:
Apparently Mark Meer is a fan of MLP. It explains why Shepard gave up at the end. he really wanted to get out of there to go watch it.

How very queer of Meer.
Watching a show about the contemporaries of a steer.
Personally, I was never interested enough to peer.

[estebanus]

byne wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

@ estebanus
I really can't tell. The kid too glowy to notice if his eyes has the dots

Off topic:
Apparently Mark Meer is a fan of MLP. It explains why Shepard gave up at the end. he really wanted to get out of there to go watch it.

Yet another reason Jennifer Hale is far superior!

+1

Mark Meer and Jennifer Hale are both great voice actors, but I think that Hale is just a bit better than Meer!

[balance5050]

NotAnotherDisplayName wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

NotAnotherDisplayName wrote...

Other than they can't get past their local systems due to all of the relays being blown up.  That and the story implied that the curing on the genophage was a rebirth for the krogan in more than one sense- both physically and culturally, which means they may not be after galactic domination.

But they always did have the best dialog lines, so maybe a Krogan empire isn't all that bad

Population alone allows the Krogans to take over whether they try or not. There are still FTL capable ships and they will belong to the krogan sooner or later.

It would take somomething like 10,000 years to cross the galaxy once at the in-fiction rate of FTL, and because of that many areas of the galaxy in ME1/2/3 are unexplored because they're too far from relays.  So in 10,000 years no one figures out how to beat them, or evolves a way to defend themselves, or the Krogan develop a culture that respects other races and slows their own birth rate? 

With the theory that everything will belong to the Krogan sooner or later, you've pretty much said no matter what ending you pick the Krogan win if you cured the genophage. 

A. 10,000 is only 10 Krogan generations.

B. The other endings allow the genophage to be re-administered.

[byne]

Golferguy758 wrote...

byne wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

@ estebanus
I really can't tell. The kid too glowy to notice if his eyes has the dots

Off topic:
Apparently Mark Meer is a fan of MLP. It explains why Shepard gave up at the end. he really wanted to get out of there to go watch it.

Yet another reason Jennifer Hale is far superior!

Haha. So, byne, anything new today I should be aware of when it comes to the thread?

There was this thing about hearing gunfire and stuff before the conversation with TIM and Anderson.

I was too lazy to get up and turn my xbox on to check it out, but other people did and said it was interesting.

Thats about it as far I can remember.

[Arian Dynas]

balance5050 wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

**** that noise, I'll do it right now.

Literalist MEANS you take the ending at face value. You don't like the implication that it implies, we get it. Get over it, "cult" also has a negative connotation, but the word accurately describes Christianity (formed around a charismatic leader, centering their worship primarily around him.) So get over connotations. Live up to your name and TAKE THE WORD FOR WHAT IT LITERALLY IS.

Yet the clear implication when someone uses the word "cult" is that it is a small group ( I wouldn't call 2 billion Christians worldwide small...). Cult isn't really a good word to use to describe something bid like Christianity, it can mean a group forming around the charismatic leader, BUT ALSO implies a small group). Using the word, "religion" is much more appropriate. On similar grounds I object to literalist

Cult's can be big or small.

Literalist is just clean compared to "guy who blabla" Atleast come up with a single word for it. How about "facist"... no, looks like "fascist"

Drop it man, we could spend all day arguing semantics with him, when in the end we have better things to do with our time.

[estebanus]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

@ estebanus
I really can't tell. The kid too glowy to notice if his eyes has the dots

Off topic:
Apparently Mark Meer is a fan of MLP. It explains why Shepard gave up at the end. he really wanted to get out of there to go watch it.

How very queer of Meer.
Watching a show about the contemporaries of a steer.
Personally, I was never interested enough to peer.

I see what you did there!

[Hawk227]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Hawk227 wrote...

I still like Arian's explanation from a few days ago that there were supposed to be 2 separate endings. The face value ending goes over well for newbies who like how "profound" it is, while hardcore fans recognize the indoctrination and appreciate it for what it is. But they overestimated the hardcore fans, and people didn't get it, or didn't want it.

Rule #1: You never should like anything Arian says, EVER. He's always wrong, even when he copies someone that is exactly right. He's also a really poor shot with the Claymore M-300. How you can miss a close-range still target with a shotgun? I haven't the slightest idea.

And when it comes to the endings, one thing is certain- they were caught off-guard. The PR stunts and behavior displayed, and what little is known about the inside workings of Bioware Edmonton, suggests frantic and nigh-reckless pacing.

If the IT is real, they likely misjudged the degree of impact ingame evidence would have on players. Trying to play the line between being suggestive and discrete can be extremely difficult for a designer, and often requires careful planning, peer-review and redesign. Judging by some of the crude sequences in the ending, (circa 2000 body piles and Reaper/Cruiser displays, outside of the Citadel, that mimic a baby's mobile), they didn't get much out of the review and redesign department.

I'm not entirely sure what your point is (besides don't trust Arian) but that (bold) was my point. They may well have had it set up so that depending on your knowledge of the universe you either "got" the literal ending or the IT ending. Except they miscalculated and a lot of people didn't "get" (read: understand) or want IT and were left with the literal endings that were clearly atrocious. When people didn't react the way they anticipated, it caught them off guard and they were put in a bind for how to play it PR wise.

Also, I've always found the crude errors (kaidan/ashley body piles, inverted 1m1, Anderson essentially claiming to be next to you, but not there) at the end really bizarre. This was the culmination of their precious, award winning, money-making trilogy. How do they allow so many mistakes in such a short period? To say they didn't get much of their QA department would be understatement.

Unless, it was intentional. "Look at that glaringly poorly textured pile of Ashley/Kaidan! WTF is up with Anderson, he should be right in front of me? Why is that 1m1 backwards? This whole thing is bizarre... like a dream or something"

[DJBare]

Arian Dynas wrote...
Oh hell no, I say go all out, list everyone by their affiliation (I only called Epyon a Indoctrinationist Cynic because he beleives IDT, but is constantly criticizing it in an attempt to trim off the more questionable evidence, while GBGriffin actually made good arguments against IDT, as well as spending his time making his side credible, therefore he is an Apologist.)

Then he is doing it correctly, it's called "falsifying", just as I say that the Final Hours apps disputes further IT because they had to drop it due to engine limitations and dialogue, but I'm happy to provide evidence it was the original intent by the developers.

[Auralius Carolus]

Arian Dynas wrote...

*places the barrel of his claymore at the base of your neck* 

I can't miss from this range mother****er.

Unfortunately, you talks reel gud, so ima keep ya 'round.

This is why I don't like 22nd Century weapons- too darn complicated. Energy cells, internal magnets that need calibrating, element zero charges, thermal clips, projectile blocks... bah! 

*throws an energy cell on the ground*

You may wanna put that back in if you want the mass effect fields to work.

Anyway, any progress people?

[byne]

balance5050 wrote...

A. 10,000 is only 10 Krogan generations.

B. The other endings allow the genophage to be re-administered.

Did they ever actually give a rough estimate of the average krogan lifespan?

Or even tell us when Wrex was born?

[SubAstris]

balance5050 wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

**** that noise, I'll do it right now.

Literalist MEANS you take the ending at face value. You don't like the implication that it implies, we get it. Get over it, "cult" also has a negative connotation, but the word accurately describes Christianity (formed around a charismatic leader, centering their worship primarily around him.) So get over connotations. Live up to your name and TAKE THE WORD FOR WHAT IT LITERALLY IS.

Yet the clear implication when someone uses the word "cult" is that it is a small group ( I wouldn't call 2 billion Christians worldwide small...). Cult isn't really a good word to use to describe something bid like Christianity, it can mean a group forming around the charismatic leader, BUT ALSO implies a small group). Using the word, "religion" is much more appropriate. On similar grounds I object to literalist

Cult's can be big or small.

Literalist is just clean compared to "guy who blabla" Atleast come up with a single word for it. How about "facist"... no, looks like "fascist"

Let's have a look at the definitoin

--a system of religious veneration and devotion directed towards a particular figure or object:
--a relatively small group of people having
religious beliefs or practices regarded by others as strange or as
imposing excessive control over members:
--a misplaced or excessive admiration for a particular thing:


Mmm.. Wound up in the very definition of "cult" is small.

I don't think there is a succint word for my position I can think of now, sorry. Stick with literalist if you want for now