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[Arian Dynas]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Oh, and you might wanna turn off that Thermal grenade in your pocket. The code is 337117

*looks at rounded object*

*presses button; the object begins to vibrate and hum*

I don't believe this is a grenade, Arian. Based on its shape, length and harmonic frequency... it's probably nothing a man should have any business with.

*throws object out the window*

*draws a vintage 10mm Automatic Glock and shoots the device, shattering it into peices*

Definetly not a grenade, although someone may be lonely tonight...

Really? That belonged to your mother. She handed it to me as a token of our love.

[balance5050]

byne wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

The Krogan Rebellions happened around 700CE. It's implied that he was mature at this point because he bested his father in battle correct?

They never say exactly when he fought his father though

It was after the Rebellions, but since the fight was concerning the rebellion I assumed that Wrex fought in them as did his father.

[byne]

balance5050 wrote...

byne wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

The Krogan Rebellions happened around 700CE. It's implied that he was mature at this point because he bested his father in battle correct?

They never say exactly when he fought his father though

It was after the Rebellions, but since the fight was concerning the rebellion I assumed that Wrex fought in them as did his father.

But that would make Wrex older than your 400-800 year estimate.

[byne]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Oh, and you might wanna turn off that Thermal grenade in your pocket. The code is 337117

*looks at rounded object*

*presses button; the object begins to vibrate and hum*

I don't believe this is a grenade, Arian. Based on its shape, length and harmonic frequency... it's probably nothing a man should have any business with.

*throws object out the window*

*draws a vintage 10mm Automatic Glock and shoots the device, shattering it into peices*

Definetly not a grenade, although someone may be lonely tonight...

Really? That belonged to your mother. She handed it to me as a token of our love.

This conversation reminds me of that picture from the Party Temple thread:

[balance5050]

byne wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

byne wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

The Krogan Rebellions happened around 700CE. It's implied that he was mature at this point because he bested his father in battle correct?

They never say exactly when he fought his father though

It was after the Rebellions, but since the fight was concerning the rebellion I assumed that Wrex fought in them as did his father.

But that would make Wrex older than your 400-800 year estimate.

 My original estimate was 1000 years average lifespan. Wrex could be one of the oldest Krogans known. I'm bad at math though.

[Auralius Carolus]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Really? That belonged to your mother. She handed it to me as a token of our love.

*starts examining the debris*

Very predictable of you Arian, but I don't think so...

*a shard is picked up reading "J.V."*

It would appear as if we have discovered the source of the humming down in the cargo hold.

[Arian Dynas]

byne wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

byne wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

The Krogan Rebellions happened around 700CE. It's implied that he was mature at this point because he bested his father in battle correct?

They never say exactly when he fought his father though

It was after the Rebellions, but since the fight was concerning the rebellion I assumed that Wrex fought in them as did his father.

But that would make Wrex older than your 400-800 year estimate.

Wrex did not fight in the rebellions according to his page, and Jerrod is described as being famous BECAUSE he was a warlord who survived the Rebellions. Wrex was in favor of increasing population.

[Arian Dynas]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Really? That belonged to your mother. She handed it to me as a token of our love.

*starts examining the debris*

Very predictable of you Arian, but I don't think so...

*a shard is picked up reading "J.V."*

It would appear as if we have discovered the source of the humming down in the cargo hold.

Ew...

Ok , you win.

Besides, I'm better with a Revenant anyway. Come at me and I'll sever your torso from your legs with bullets.

[TheConstantOne]

byne wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

In an infinite stretch of time, the chances of such things occurring are probably equal to just destroying the Reapers and letting people get on with it. However with in-built synthetics, organic hybrids would have a better understanding of how machines work, so that when they create new AI, they will be to control and counteract them much better

Dude, you just gave every Krogan synthetics, things are going to be a lot worse in the long run. That's why it's specist, war and genocide happen regardless of what the synthetics do.

So I'm assuming you didn't cure the genophage? Remember that everyone else has been improved by the same amount as well

No, I did cure the Genophage. So now the krogans can have batches of eggs in the thousands, they never get diseased, they now live longer then before (which was a thousand years). I'm saying that the Krogans take over the Galaxy with the synthesis ending.

And as I said, everyone else has improved as well. Imagine predator v prey scenario. Running at "x" speed, predator will catch half the amount of prey running at "y" speed. If due to natural selection both "x" and "y" speeds increase by 5 mph, supposing speed is the main reason for capture success, then the outcome would be the same. Predator has more speed to catch prey but the prey also has more speed to evade the predator. Therefore in the end things level out, the net result isn't much different

Except it was always shown that krogan were superior in combat, to the point that the only way to defeat them was to stop them from having children.

Godchild calls synthesis the final stage of evolution or some such crap, meaning that other species arent going to evolve to be better than the krogan at any point. So the krogan can still take over the galaxy.

I always interpreted that final stage of evolution comment to mean that life would reach its most advanced "type", like how intelligent life is the highest possible type of organic life but life can take many different forms within that type.  A fusion of synthetic and organic life would create a new "type" of lifeform but individual species could still evolve.

Honestly though, the path the krogan take next is likely to be unaffected by your endgame decision.  I see this as the most possible breakdown, from best to worst:

1) Wrex+Eve lead,genophage cured: Krogan undergo a cultural revolution.  No war with other species occurs

2)Wrex leads, Eve dead, genophage cured: Wrex unites most krogan but others want vengeance on the galaxy. Some krogan attack other species and spark a new krogan rebellion and krogan civil war.  Wrex's krogan and the allied galaxy defeat the rebels but a lot of damage is done. Wrex's unified krogan nation is strong.

3) Wreav leads, Eve alive, genophage cured: Similar scenario as above, only the aggresive krogan have more support.  The galaxy backing the progressive krogan following Eve leads to Wreav's defeat but more damage is done to the greater galaxy and the surviving, progressive krogan nation is unstable.

4) Wreav leads, Eve dead, genophage sabotaged: Wreav loses a lot of support once the cure is revealed to not have worked.  While Clan Urdnot is still strong, the unified krogan nation falls apart and things remain as they were pre-Reaper invasion.

5) Wrex and Wreav are dead, Eve dead, genophage cured sabotaged: Clan Urdnot loses its status as the dominant tribe and the krogan experience a power vaccum, causing an increase in bloodshed on Tuchanka.  Things are worse for the the krogan than they were pre-Reaper invasion

6) Wreav leads, Eve dead, genophage cured:  Wreav leads a nasty war to conquer numerous worlds.  The greater allied galaxy wins the war by adopting extremely brutal methods that stall the krogan advance.  The krogan are essentially annihilated...but they take billions of lives from the allied galaxy with them and the Council races take generations to fully recover.

You could adjust these somewhat depending on the absolute ending.  Maybe a  Shep who used Control can enforce a peace in option 6 before all hell breaks loose.  

Not sure why, but it felt good to type out a rough krogan epilogue haha

Modifié par TheConstantOne, 30 avril 2012 - 11:49 .

[NeoDobby]

balance5050 wrote...

byne wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

byne wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

The Krogan Rebellions happened around 700CE. It's implied that he was mature at this point because he bested his father in battle correct?

They never say exactly when he fought his father though

It was after the Rebellions, but since the fight was concerning the rebellion I assumed that Wrex fought in them as did his father.

But that would make Wrex older than your 400-800 year estimate.

 My original estimate was 1000 years average lifespan. Wrex could be one of the oldest Krogans known. I'm bad at math though.

www.youtube.com/watch

Matriarch Aethyta's Father was a Krogan and near on 1000 when he fought her mother to the death, so he might have made it a couple of 100 years more.

[balance5050]

TheConstantOne wrote...


I always interpreted that final stage of evolution comment to mean that life would reach its most advanced "type", like how intelligent life is the highest possible type of organic life but life can take many different forms within that type.  A fusion of synthetic and organic life would create a new "type" of lifeform but individual species could still evolve.

Honestly though, the path the krogan take next is likely to be unaffected by your endgame decision.  I see this as the most possible breakdown, from best to worst:

1) Wrex+Eve lead,genophage cured: Krogan undergo a cultural revolution.  No war with other species occurs

2)Wrex leads, Eve dead, genophage cured: Wrex unites most krogan but others want vengeance on the galaxy. Some krogan attack other species and spark a new krogan rebellion and krogan civil war.  Wrex's krogan and the allied galaxy defeat the rebels but a lot of damage is done. Wrex's unified krogan nation is strong.

3) Wreav leads, Eve alive, genophage cured: Similar scenario as above, only the aggresive krogan have more support.  The galaxy backing the progressive krogan following Eve leads to Wreav's defeat but more damage is done to the greater galaxy and the surviving, progressive krogan nation is unstable.

4) Wreav leads, Eve dead, genophage sabotaged: Wreav loses a lot of support once the cure is revealed to not have worked.  While Clan Urdnot is still strong, the unified krogan nation falls apart and things remain as they were pre-Reaper invasion.

5) Wrex and Wreav are dead, Eve dead, genophage cured: Clan Urdnot loses its status as the dominant tribe and the krogan experience a power vaccum, causing an increase in bloodshed on Tuchanka.  Things are worse for the the krogan than they were pre-Reaper invasion

6) Wreav leads, Eve dead, genophage cured:  Wreav leads a nasty war to conquer numerous worlds.  The greater allied galaxy wins the war by adopting extremely brutal methods that stall the krogan advance.  The krogan are essentially annihilated...but they take billions of lives from the allied galaxy with them and the Council races take generations to fully recover.

You could adjust these somewhat depending on the absolute ending.  Maybe a  Shep who used Control can enforce a peace in option 6 before all hell breaks loose.  

Not sure why, but it felt good to type out a rough krogan epilogue haha

Without the genophage, eventually the Krogan will overpopulate and eventually need more resources than anyone. No matter what cultural revolution happens, it won't stop them from breeding, the reason they evolved to have thousands of children is because they were the prey on their home planet and the thresher maw kept their numbers low.

In my mind I was like "I'll cure these guys now to help with the reapers, but we'll bring it back if they dont behave."

Synthesis would prevent a future genophage project, was my original point.

Modifié par balance5050, 01 mai 2012 - 12:00 .

[byne]

balance5050 wrote...


Without the genophage, evenually the Krogan will overpopulate and eventually need more resources than anyone. No matter what cultural revolution happens, it won't stop them from breeding, the reason they evolved to have thousands of children is because they were the prey on their home planet and the thresher maw kept their numbers low.

In my mind I was like "I'll cure these guys now to help with the reapers, but we'll bring it back if they dont behave."

Synthesis would prevent a future genophage project, was my original point.

When you have Wreav instead of Wrex, doesnt Eve say something along the lines of how the females will just withhold sex from the males if they dont do what the females want?

If sex is on the line, the males will behave.

[TheConstantOne]

balance5050 wrote...

TheConstantOne wrote...


I always interpreted that final stage of evolution comment to mean that life would reach its most advanced "type", like how intelligent life is the highest possible type of organic life but life can take many different forms within that type.  A fusion of synthetic and organic life would create a new "type" of lifeform but individual species could still evolve.

Honestly though, the path the krogan take next is likely to be unaffected by your endgame decision.  I see this as the most possible breakdown, from best to worst:

1) Wrex+Eve lead,genophage cured: Krogan undergo a cultural revolution.  No war with other species occurs

2)Wrex leads, Eve dead, genophage cured: Wrex unites most krogan but others want vengeance on the galaxy. Some krogan attack other species and spark a new krogan rebellion and krogan civil war.  Wrex's krogan and the allied galaxy defeat the rebels but a lot of damage is done. Wrex's unified krogan nation is strong.

3) Wreav leads, Eve alive, genophage cured: Similar scenario as above, only the aggresive krogan have more support.  The galaxy backing the progressive krogan following Eve leads to Wreav's defeat but more damage is done to the greater galaxy and the surviving, progressive krogan nation is unstable.

4) Wreav leads, Eve dead, genophage sabotaged: Wreav loses a lot of support once the cure is revealed to not have worked.  While Clan Urdnot is still strong, the unified krogan nation falls apart and things remain as they were pre-Reaper invasion.

5) Wrex and Wreav are dead, Eve dead, genophage cured: Clan Urdnot loses its status as the dominant tribe and the krogan experience a power vaccum, causing an increase in bloodshed on Tuchanka.  Things are worse for the the krogan than they were pre-Reaper invasion

6) Wreav leads, Eve dead, genophage cured:  Wreav leads a nasty war to conquer numerous worlds.  The greater allied galaxy wins the war by adopting extremely brutal methods that stall the krogan advance.  The krogan are essentially annihilated...but they take billions of lives from the allied galaxy with them and the Council races take generations to fully recover.

You could adjust these somewhat depending on the absolute ending.  Maybe a  Shep who used Control can enforce a peace in option 6 before all hell breaks loose.  

Not sure why, but it felt good to type out a rough krogan epilogue haha

Without the genophage, evenually the Krogan will overpopulate and eventually need more resources than anyone. No matter what cultural revolution happens, it won't stop them from breeding, the reason they evolved to have thousands of children is because they were the prey on their home planet and the thresher maw kept their numbers low.

In my mind I was like "I'll cure these guys now to help with the reapers, but we'll bring it back if they dont behave."

Synthesis would prevent a future genophage project, was my original point.

True, synthesis would likely nullify any genophage attempt, at least as attempted before. But the krogan don't have to overpopulate to the point where they need an exponential increase of resources.  Wrex and Eve are pretty clever: I'd assumed that they'd institute strict breeding rules to make the population manageable.  Sort of like what the salarians do.  But will my prediction happen? No freaking clue, but with Wrex such an outcome is possible

[balance5050]

byne wrote...

balance5050 wrote...


Without the genophage, evenually the Krogan will overpopulate and eventually need more resources than anyone. No matter what cultural revolution happens, it won't stop them from breeding, the reason they evolved to have thousands of children is because they were the prey on their home planet and the thresher maw kept their numbers low.

In my mind I was like "I'll cure these guys now to help with the reapers, but we'll bring it back if they dont behave."

Synthesis would prevent a future genophage project, was my original point.

When you have Wreav instead of Wrex, doesnt Eve say something along the lines of how the females will just withhold sex from the males if they dont do what the females want?

If sex is on the line, the males will behave.

There we go, I just need to remember that the females are the smart ones. Wrex started to worry me when he immedietly says "we've got a lot of catching up to do".

Their overpopulation iswhat always worried me and their war like society only made it worse, but if the females can truly enact proper laws and keep everyone tame then I can accept that.

I just hope this still applies when everyone has that sexy circuit board skin.

Modifié par balance5050, 01 mai 2012 - 12:09 .

[Gormane01]

byne wrote...

balance5050 wrote...


Without the genophage, evenually the Krogan will overpopulate and eventually need more resources than anyone. No matter what cultural revolution happens, it won't stop them from breeding, the reason they evolved to have thousands of children is because they were the prey on their home planet and the thresher maw kept their numbers low.

In my mind I was like "I'll cure these guys now to help with the reapers, but we'll bring it back if they dont behave."

Synthesis would prevent a future genophage project, was my original point.

When you have Wreav instead of Wrex, doesnt Eve say something along the lines of how the females will just withhold sex from the males if they dont do what the females want?

If sex is on the line, the males will behave.

This kind of dicussion really highlights the issue with the Synthesis ending, we can't tell how it will work out. Will there be another rebellion or will Synthesis magically fix everything? How will it work? will organics be able to survive without breathing? Will ships become intelligent? does it effect just the Milky Way? or also Andromeda etc?

Modifié par Gormane01, 01 mai 2012 - 12:08 .

[NeoDobby]

balance5050 wrote...



Without the genophage, eventually the Krogan will overpopulate and eventually need more resources than anyone. No matter what cultural revolution happens, it won't stop them from breeding, the reason they evolved to have thousands of children is because they were the prey on their home planet and the thresher maw kept their numbers low.

In my mind I was like "I'll cure these guys now to help with the reapers, but we'll bring it back if they dont behave."

Synthesis would prevent a future genophage project, was my original point.

Thinking about Krogan behavior, I remembered rats: Their population grows incredibly fast, too. If it becomes too big, they turn to cannibalism to reduce their numbers again (a result of hightened stress levels or something). Well, the Krogan didn't eat each other, but they almost wiped themselves out in a nuclear war. After the Salarians helped them, they could use space travel to reduce the population density. I'm not trying to say anything with that, just a thought I had.

As for the behavior after the genophage cure: Maybe the Krogan under Wrex and Eve would refrain from populating planets that are already in use, thus reducing the probablity of a war. But they would still eventually run out of planets...

Modifié par NeoDobby, 01 mai 2012 - 12:11 .

[byne]

NeoDobby wrote...

balance5050 wrote...



Without the genophage, eventually the Krogan will overpopulate and eventually need more resources than anyone. No matter what cultural revolution happens, it won't stop them from breeding, the reason they evolved to have thousands of children is because they were the prey on their home planet and the thresher maw kept their numbers low.

In my mind I was like "I'll cure these guys now to help with the reapers, but we'll bring it back if they dont behave."

Synthesis would prevent a future genophage project, was my original point.

Thinking about Krogan behavior, I remembered rats: Their population grows incredibly fast, too. If it becomes too big, they turn to cannibalism to reduce their numbers again (a result of hightened stress levels or something). Well, the Krogan didn't eat each other, but they almost wiped themselves out in a nuclear war. After the Salarians helped them, they could use space travel to reduce the population density. I'm not trying to say anything with that, just a thought I had.

As for the behavior after the genophage cure: Maybe the Krogan under Wrex and Eve would refrain from populating planets that are already in use, thus reducing the probablity of a war. But they would still eventually run out of planets...

The krogan kind of reminded me of bugs.

Mainly cause thats exactly what Shep compared them to when she was talking to EDI.

"On Earth, bugs have lots of children too. Most of them die."

[Big Bad]

SubAstris wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

**** that noise, I'll do it right now.

Literalist MEANS you take the ending at face value. You don't like the implication that it implies, we get it. Get over it, "cult" also has a negative connotation, but the word accurately describes Christianity (formed around a charismatic leader, centering their worship primarily around him.) So get over connotations. Live up to your name and TAKE THE WORD FOR WHAT IT LITERALLY IS.

Yet the clear implication when someone uses the word "cult" is that it is a small group ( I wouldn't call 2 billion Christians worldwide small...). Cult isn't really a good word to use to describe something bid like Christianity, it can mean a group forming around the charismatic leader, BUT ALSO implies a small group). Using the word, "religion" is much more appropriate. On similar grounds I object to literalist

Ok, the conversation has probably moved on at this point, but I just wanted to say that the above statement is really silly.  The word "cult" is universally used as a perjorative.  It always, always, always has negative connotations surrounding.  Last time I checked this word "literalist" did not have any inherent negative connotations, nor do I think people are using it as perjorative.  It is a short-hand way of indicating a person's view on a particular issue (IT).  Calling someone  a "literalist" is a completely neutral statement.

[TheConstantOne]

Gormane01 wrote...

byne wrote...

balance5050 wrote...


Without the genophage, evenually the Krogan will overpopulate and eventually need more resources than anyone. No matter what cultural revolution happens, it won't stop them from breeding, the reason they evolved to have thousands of children is because they were the prey on their home planet and the thresher maw kept their numbers low.

In my mind I was like "I'll cure these guys now to help with the reapers, but we'll bring it back if they dont behave."

Synthesis would prevent a future genophage project, was my original point.

When you have Wreav instead of Wrex, doesnt Eve say something along the lines of how the females will just withhold sex from the males if they dont do what the females want?

If sex is on the line, the males will behave.

This kind of dicussion really highlights the issue with the Synthesis ending, we can't tell how it will work out. Will there be another rebellion or will Synthesis magically fix everything? How will it work? will organics be able to survive without breathing? Will ships become intelligent? does it effect just the Milky Way? or also Andromeda etc?

True, there's definitely a lot that's unknown.  I posted my thoughts on how synthesis would occur a few hundred pages ago and I think that the Crucible energy mass producing nanites is the only reasonable explanation. But...do these nanites regulate DNA sequencing?  Do they aid immune systems?  Do they simple enable organics to build software code and directly interact with synthetic systems?

I'm guessing that the correct answer is a mix of all of the above but to what extent...I doubt the EC will go to explain it to that much detail.  I hope it does through a codex entry or something but I'm doubtful

[NeoDobby]

www.masseffect-universe.de/comments--id-974.html

Just found an interesting survey about ME 3. (Actually, Jessica Merizan linked to it on Twitter)

It's a german site, but the survey is available in english, too. There is even a question about the IT, results are sent to Bioware/EA.

[Big G13]

Just spent the last hour trying to catch up.(I'm slow, leave me behind, save yourselves ) I know I don't contribute much but I do follow the thread as much as possible and the most interesting thing in the last 10 pages, imho, is irony of people who believe we should take the endings at face value but then spend 3 pages arguing over the semantics of a single word. hmmmmmm.
That and the new audio find. That was a good find.

[Big G13]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Really? That belonged to your mother. She handed it to me as a token of our love.

*starts examining the debris*

Very predictable of you Arian, but I don't think so...

*a shard is picked up reading "J.V."*

It would appear as if we have discovered the source of the humming down in the cargo hold.

LMAO! you 2 should have your own show.

[Arian Dynas]

So.... quiet... yep yep.

[llbountyhunter]

balance5050 wrote...

byne wrote...

balance5050 wrote...


Without the genophage, evenually the Krogan will overpopulate and eventually need more resources than anyone. No matter what cultural revolution happens, it won't stop them from breeding, the reason they evolved to have thousands of children is because they were the prey on their home planet and the thresher maw kept their numbers low.

In my mind I was like "I'll cure these guys now to help with the reapers, but we'll bring it back if they dont behave."

Synthesis would prevent a future genophage project, was my original point.

When you have Wreav instead of Wrex, doesnt Eve say something along the lines of how the females will just withhold sex from the males if they dont do what the females want?

If sex is on the line, the males will behave.

There we go, I just need to remember that the females are the smart ones. Wrex started to worry me when he immedietly says "we've got a lot of catching up to do".

Their overpopulation iswhat always worried me and their war like society only made it worse, but if the females can truly enact proper laws and keep everyone tame then I can accept that.

I just hope this still applies when everyone has that sexy circuit board skin.

shepard; "if we win this, I dont see why the krogan shoudnt get another planet."

wrex: "or eight."