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Arian Dynas wrote...

Arian Dynas - Indoctrinationist
SubAstris - Literalist
estebanus - Indoctrinationist
Rifneno - Indoctrinationist
Dwalling - Indoctrinationist
DJBare - Indoctrinationist
pirate1899 - Indoctrinationist
EpyonX3 - Indoctrinationist Cynic
GBGriffin - Literalist Apologist
byne - Indoctrinationist
Sammuthegreat - Indoctrinationist
lex0r11 - Indoctrinationist... 



where is.... bountyhunter.......?  :crying:

#47727
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llbountyhunter wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Arian Dynas - Indoctrinationist
SubAstris - Literalist
estebanus - Indoctrinationist
Rifneno - Indoctrinationist
Dwalling - Indoctrinationist
DJBare - Indoctrinationist
pirate1899 - Indoctrinationist
EpyonX3 - Indoctrinationist Cynic
GBGriffin - Literalist Apologist
byne - Indoctrinationist
Sammuthegreat - Indoctrinationist
lex0r11 - Indoctrinationist... 



where is.... bountyhunter.......?  :crying:


*hug* It was just a brief example.

But if you guys want...

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Arian Dynas wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Arian Dynas - Indoctrinationist
SubAstris - Literalist
estebanus - Indoctrinationist
Rifneno - Indoctrinationist
Dwalling - Indoctrinationist
DJBare - Indoctrinationist
pirate1899 - Indoctrinationist
EpyonX3 - Indoctrinationist Cynic
GBGriffin - Literalist Apologist
byne - Indoctrinationist
Sammuthegreat - Indoctrinationist
lex0r11 - Indoctrinationist... 



where is.... bountyhunter.......?  :crying:


*hug* It was just a brief example.

But if you guys want...


I think we can just assume where we'd be on the list and save you the considerable effort haha

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 hey it look like jessica has taken a look at EC!
https://twitter.com/...120929086717952 



which helps out THIS tweet.
https://twitter.com/...619323212070912 

#47730
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llbountyhunter wrote...

 hey it look like jessica has taken a look at EC!
https://twitter.com/...120929086717952 



which helps out THIS tweet.
https://twitter.com/...619323212070912 



Interesting... Well, could mean nothing, I suppose, but still!

Oh yeah, and I guess I didn't really miss anything did I?

#47731
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llbountyhunter wrote...

 hey it look like jessica has taken a look at EC!
https://twitter.com/...120929086717952 



which helps out THIS tweet.
https://twitter.com/...619323212070912 


I like what I read, but I try not to read too much into it.

#47732
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Hawk227 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

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For me, that's where the electric arcing in the circular chasm comes in. Hear alarm, dream phone. Hear gunfire, dream arcing electricity. Would his brain edit out the rapid firing avengers? They could have just had rapidly arcing bits here and there to account for the avengers. It's a gunfight, but you don't hear all of it because his brain is interpreting it weird. I feel like it's poor form on our part to try and have it both ways.

Well, if we are to consider that the developers did not want us to get it too easily, then avengers are going to stand out somewhat.


It could be slowed down and portrayed as something else (like rapid firing electric arcs, or a battle in the wards). But yeah, it would be hard to incorporate. But I'm not sure that's a good enough reason to accept its absence. Take what we want and discard what we don't like. That's no good.

I think I may have found automatic gunfire, during the conversation with TIM and Anderson, it sounds like the battle is intensifying and this relates to the intense discussion, listen to the sound effects rather than focusing on the vocals.

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Way too much to catch up. :( But I really want to reply to this one, because I'm always surprised when this argument keeps popping up.

byne wrote...

Well I still dont buy the idea that the Reapers cant be defeated conventionally. That just seems like faulty reasoning people are employing to justify the need for the Crucible.

The codex on the Reapers and the Reaper War show quite a few places where we were victorious, or at least holding our ground against the Reaper forces.


There's a few places where they destroyed a few capital ships. That's not even in the same star system as "good enough" though. They're invading pretty much every homeworld at the same time plus many, many colony worlds. And we see multiple capital ships at a single major city on a single planet. How many total do you think there are? Okay, let's go back to that math earlier. The oldest date we have on a Reaper is a billion years. 50,000 years a cycle, that's 20,000 cycles. One of the writers said a while back that they usually don't lose even one capital ship in a cycle. So even assuming they only make a single capital ship from their chosen race, that still puts the low end estimates at over 10,000 capital ships. It takes 3 or 4 dreadnoughts to bring down a single one of them. I'm guessing we don't have 30 to 40 thousand dreadnoughts. And the best part? I'm not even figuring in the destroyers, which "make up the bulk of the Reaper fleet". Not quite as badass as a capital ship, yet even after sustaining the concentrated fire of the entire Migrant Fleet, one was only broken down yet still in-tact.

There's no way the Reapers are losing conventionally. No way. It would be like trying to beat a tyrannosaurus rex with your fists.

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NeoDobby wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

 hey it look like jessica has taken a look at EC!
https://twitter.com/...120929086717952 



which helps out THIS tweet.
https://twitter.com/...619323212070912 


I like what I read, but I try not to read too much into it.


I don't think they are meant to be read one after the other. That second one about destory is specifically answering his question on how to get the breath scene. I don't think it was her saying that Red is THE choice you want, but rather the choice that he wants in order to get the breath scene.

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Rifneno wrote...

Way too much to catch up. :( But I really want to reply to this one, because I'm always surprised when this argument keeps popping up.

byne wrote...

Well I still dont buy the idea that the Reapers cant be defeated conventionally. That just seems like faulty reasoning people are employing to justify the need for the Crucible.

The codex on the Reapers and the Reaper War show quite a few places where we were victorious, or at least holding our ground against the Reaper forces.


There's a few places where they destroyed a few capital ships. That's not even in the same star system as "good enough" though. They're invading pretty much every homeworld at the same time plus many, many colony worlds. And we see multiple capital ships at a single major city on a single planet. How many total do you think there are? Okay, let's go back to that math earlier. The oldest date we have on a Reaper is a billion years. 50,000 years a cycle, that's 20,000 cycles. One of the writers said a while back that they usually don't lose even one capital ship in a cycle. So even assuming they only make a single capital ship from their chosen race, that still puts the low end estimates at over 10,000 capital ships. It takes 3 or 4 dreadnoughts to bring down a single one of them. I'm guessing we don't have 30 to 40 thousand dreadnoughts. And the best part? I'm not even figuring in the destroyers, which "make up the bulk of the Reaper fleet". Not quite as badass as a capital ship, yet even after sustaining the concentrated fire of the entire Migrant Fleet, one was only broken down yet still in-tact.

There's no way the Reapers are losing conventionally. No way. It would be like trying to beat a tyrannosaurus rex with your fists.



You could kill a t-rex with your fist... but only with FALCON PUNCH!!!! :lol:

#47736
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Arian Dynas wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Arian Dynas - Indoctrinationist
SubAstris - Literalist
estebanus - Indoctrinationist
Rifneno - Indoctrinationist
Dwalling - Indoctrinationist
DJBare - Indoctrinationist
pirate1899 - Indoctrinationist
EpyonX3 - Indoctrinationist Cynic
GBGriffin - Literalist Apologist
byne - Indoctrinationist
Sammuthegreat - Indoctrinationist
lex0r11 - Indoctrinationist... 



where is.... bountyhunter.......?  :crying:


*hug* It was just a brief example.

But if you guys want...


Haha I got an interesting title. At least I'm special!

:P

#47737
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Rifneno wrote...

Way too much to catch up. :( But I really want to reply to this one, because I'm always surprised when this argument keeps popping up.

byne wrote...

Well I still dont buy the idea that the Reapers cant be defeated conventionally. That just seems like faulty reasoning people are employing to justify the need for the Crucible.

The codex on the Reapers and the Reaper War show quite a few places where we were victorious, or at least holding our ground against the Reaper forces.


There's a few places where they destroyed a few capital ships. That's not even in the same star system as "good enough" though. They're invading pretty much every homeworld at the same time plus many, many colony worlds. And we see multiple capital ships at a single major city on a single planet. How many total do you think there are? Okay, let's go back to that math earlier. The oldest date we have on a Reaper is a billion years. 50,000 years a cycle, that's 20,000 cycles. One of the writers said a while back that they usually don't lose even one capital ship in a cycle. So even assuming they only make a single capital ship from their chosen race, that still puts the low end estimates at over 10,000 capital ships. It takes 3 or 4 dreadnoughts to bring down a single one of them. I'm guessing we don't have 30 to 40 thousand dreadnoughts. And the best part? I'm not even figuring in the destroyers, which "make up the bulk of the Reaper fleet". Not quite as badass as a capital ship, yet even after sustaining the concentrated fire of the entire Migrant Fleet, one was only broken down yet still in-tact.

There's no way the Reapers are losing conventionally. No way. It would be like trying to beat a tyrannosaurus rex with your fists.


Ok ok, the chances of the reapers being beat using conventional means are extremely small, but can we agree that the chances DO EXIST on some level?

Modifié par balance5050, 01 mai 2012 - 01:14 .


#47738
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Gormane01 wrote...

NeoDobby wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

 hey it look like jessica has taken a look at EC!
https://twitter.com/...120929086717952 



which helps out THIS tweet.
https://twitter.com/...619323212070912 


I like what I read, but I try not to read too much into it.


I don't think they are meant to be read one after the other. That second one about destory is specifically answering his question on how to get the breath scene. I don't think it was her saying that Red is THE choice you want, but rather the choice that he wants in order to get the breath scene.



not really, he didnt ask about the breath scene- he asked if thats the only one in which shepard lives and gets reunited with crew... I didnt see the words "breath scene" in there at all. 

#47739
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NeoDobby wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

 hey it look like jessica has taken a look at EC!
https://twitter.com/...120929086717952 



which helps out THIS tweet.
https://twitter.com/...619323212070912 


I like what I read, but I try not to read too much into it.


Right especially when the question was:

"So it will only be destroy in which shepard can survive and save the normandy crew at this point, right?"

#47740
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balance5050 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Way too much to catch up. :( But I really want to reply to this one, because I'm always surprised when this argument keeps popping up.

byne wrote...

Well I still dont buy the idea that the Reapers cant be defeated conventionally. That just seems like faulty reasoning people are employing to justify the need for the Crucible.

The codex on the Reapers and the Reaper War show quite a few places where we were victorious, or at least holding our ground against the Reaper forces.


There's a few places where they destroyed a few capital ships. That's not even in the same star system as "good enough" though. They're invading pretty much every homeworld at the same time plus many, many colony worlds. And we see multiple capital ships at a single major city on a single planet. How many total do you think there are? Okay, let's go back to that math earlier. The oldest date we have on a Reaper is a billion years. 50,000 years a cycle, that's 20,000 cycles. One of the writers said a while back that they usually don't lose even one capital ship in a cycle. So even assuming they only make a single capital ship from their chosen race, that still puts the low end estimates at over 10,000 capital ships. It takes 3 or 4 dreadnoughts to bring down a single one of them. I'm guessing we don't have 30 to 40 thousand dreadnoughts. And the best part? I'm not even figuring in the destroyers, which "make up the bulk of the Reaper fleet". Not quite as badass as a capital ship, yet even after sustaining the concentrated fire of the entire Migrant Fleet, one was only broken down yet still in-tact.

There's no way the Reapers are losing conventionally. No way. It would be like trying to beat a tyrannosaurus rex with your fists.


Ok ok, the chances of the reapers being beat using conventional means are extremely small, but can we agree that the chances DO EXIST on some level?


Edit: Oh wow I read that wrong!


Anyway, Yes but I find it funny that no one seems to want to teel you what they are. Not even Legion. He just says that his odds are greater than they were before. lol.

Modifié par EpyonX3, 01 mai 2012 - 01:18 .


#47741
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Rifneno wrote...

Way too much to catch up. :( But I really want to reply to this one, because I'm always surprised when this argument keeps popping up.

byne wrote...

Well I still dont buy the idea that the Reapers cant be defeated conventionally. That just seems like faulty reasoning people are employing to justify the need for the Crucible.

The codex on the Reapers and the Reaper War show quite a few places where we were victorious, or at least holding our ground against the Reaper forces.


There's a few places where they destroyed a few capital ships. That's not even in the same star system as "good enough" though. They're invading pretty much every homeworld at the same time plus many, many colony worlds. And we see multiple capital ships at a single major city on a single planet. How many total do you think there are? Okay, let's go back to that math earlier. The oldest date we have on a Reaper is a billion years. 50,000 years a cycle, that's 20,000 cycles. One of the writers said a while back that they usually don't lose even one capital ship in a cycle. So even assuming they only make a single capital ship from their chosen race, that still puts the low end estimates at over 10,000 capital ships. It takes 3 or 4 dreadnoughts to bring down a single one of them. I'm guessing we don't have 30 to 40 thousand dreadnoughts. And the best part? I'm not even figuring in the destroyers, which "make up the bulk of the Reaper fleet". Not quite as badass as a capital ship, yet even after sustaining the concentrated fire of the entire Migrant Fleet, one was only broken down yet still in-tact.

There's no way the Reapers are losing conventionally. No way. It would be like trying to beat a tyrannosaurus rex with your fists.



I got the impression that we were losing so badly because we were disoganized and scared... thats how the reapers work, cause panic indoctrinate people, confusion. 

and then theres shepard, uniting the galaxy, why in the last battle with all the forces coordinated we were doing a pretty darn good job hurting the reapers.

those are my thoughts anyways

#47742
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EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Way too much to catch up. :( But I really want to reply to this one, because I'm always surprised when this argument keeps popping up.

byne wrote...

Well I still dont buy the idea that the Reapers cant be defeated conventionally. That just seems like faulty reasoning people are employing to justify the need for the Crucible.

The codex on the Reapers and the Reaper War show quite a few places where we were victorious, or at least holding our ground against the Reaper forces.


There's a few places where they destroyed a few capital ships. That's not even in the same star system as "good enough" though. They're invading pretty much every homeworld at the same time plus many, many colony worlds. And we see multiple capital ships at a single major city on a single planet. How many total do you think there are? Okay, let's go back to that math earlier. The oldest date we have on a Reaper is a billion years. 50,000 years a cycle, that's 20,000 cycles. One of the writers said a while back that they usually don't lose even one capital ship in a cycle. So even assuming they only make a single capital ship from their chosen race, that still puts the low end estimates at over 10,000 capital ships. It takes 3 or 4 dreadnoughts to bring down a single one of them. I'm guessing we don't have 30 to 40 thousand dreadnoughts. And the best part? I'm not even figuring in the destroyers, which "make up the bulk of the Reaper fleet". Not quite as badass as a capital ship, yet even after sustaining the concentrated fire of the entire Migrant Fleet, one was only broken down yet still in-tact.

There's no way the Reapers are losing conventionally. No way. It would be like trying to beat a tyrannosaurus rex with your fists.


Ok ok, the chances of the reapers being beat using conventional means are extremely small, but can we agree that the chances DO EXIST on some level?


Edit: Oh wow I read that wrong!


No, I wrote it like a dummy then edited. I was just asking if you guys would agree that there is a chance that the reapers could be beat using convetional means, no matter how small.

Modifié par balance5050, 01 mai 2012 - 01:20 .


#47743
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balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Way too much to catch up. :( But I really want to reply to this one, because I'm always surprised when this argument keeps popping up.

byne wrote...

Well I still dont buy the idea that the Reapers cant be defeated conventionally. That just seems like faulty reasoning people are employing to justify the need for the Crucible.

The codex on the Reapers and the Reaper War show quite a few places where we were victorious, or at least holding our ground against the Reaper forces.


There's a few places where they destroyed a few capital ships. That's not even in the same star system as "good enough" though. They're invading pretty much every homeworld at the same time plus many, many colony worlds. And we see multiple capital ships at a single major city on a single planet. How many total do you think there are? Okay, let's go back to that math earlier. The oldest date we have on a Reaper is a billion years. 50,000 years a cycle, that's 20,000 cycles. One of the writers said a while back that they usually don't lose even one capital ship in a cycle. So even assuming they only make a single capital ship from their chosen race, that still puts the low end estimates at over 10,000 capital ships. It takes 3 or 4 dreadnoughts to bring down a single one of them. I'm guessing we don't have 30 to 40 thousand dreadnoughts. And the best part? I'm not even figuring in the destroyers, which "make up the bulk of the Reaper fleet". Not quite as badass as a capital ship, yet even after sustaining the concentrated fire of the entire Migrant Fleet, one was only broken down yet still in-tact.

There's no way the Reapers are losing conventionally. No way. It would be like trying to beat a tyrannosaurus rex with your fists.


Ok ok, the chances of the reapers being beat using conventional means are extremely small, but can we agree that the chances DO EXIST on some level?


Edit: Oh wow I read that wrong!


No, I wrote it like a dummy then edited. I was just asking if you guys would agree that there is a chance that the reapers could be beat using convetional mean, no matter how small.


Well I read it as something completely different and understood what you said only after I posted it lol.

#47744
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EpyonX3 wrote...

NeoDobby wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

 hey it look like jessica has taken a look at EC!
https://twitter.com/...120929086717952 



which helps out THIS tweet.
https://twitter.com/...619323212070912 


I like what I read, but I try not to read too much into it.


Right especially when the question was:

"So it will only be destroy in which shepard can survive and save the normandy crew at this point, right?"





cant make it too easy now, can we?

#47745
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EpyonX3 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Arian Dynas - Indoctrinationist
SubAstris - Literalist
estebanus - Indoctrinationist
Rifneno - Indoctrinationist
Dwalling - Indoctrinationist
DJBare - Indoctrinationist
pirate1899 - Indoctrinationist
EpyonX3 - Indoctrinationist Cynic
GBGriffin - Literalist Apologist
byne - Indoctrinationist
Sammuthegreat - Indoctrinationist
lex0r11 - Indoctrinationist... 



where is.... bountyhunter.......?  :crying:


*hug* It was just a brief example.

But if you guys want...


Haha I got an interesting title. At least I'm special!

:P


He justified your title by saying you believed in IT but tried to weed out the weaker evidence.

Now, am I wrong, but dont you not believe in IT?

#47746
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llbountyhunter wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Way too much to catch up. :( But I really want to reply to this one, because I'm always surprised when this argument keeps popping up.

byne wrote...

Well I still dont buy the idea that the Reapers cant be defeated conventionally. That just seems like faulty reasoning people are employing to justify the need for the Crucible.

The codex on the Reapers and the Reaper War show quite a few places where we were victorious, or at least holding our ground against the Reaper forces.


There's a few places where they destroyed a few capital ships. That's not even in the same star system as "good enough" though. They're invading pretty much every homeworld at the same time plus many, many colony worlds. And we see multiple capital ships at a single major city on a single planet. How many total do you think there are? Okay, let's go back to that math earlier. The oldest date we have on a Reaper is a billion years. 50,000 years a cycle, that's 20,000 cycles. One of the writers said a while back that they usually don't lose even one capital ship in a cycle. So even assuming they only make a single capital ship from their chosen race, that still puts the low end estimates at over 10,000 capital ships. It takes 3 or 4 dreadnoughts to bring down a single one of them. I'm guessing we don't have 30 to 40 thousand dreadnoughts. And the best part? I'm not even figuring in the destroyers, which "make up the bulk of the Reaper fleet". Not quite as badass as a capital ship, yet even after sustaining the concentrated fire of the entire Migrant Fleet, one was only broken down yet still in-tact.

There's no way the Reapers are losing conventionally. No way. It would be like trying to beat a tyrannosaurus rex with your fists.



I got the impression that we were losing so badly because we were disoganized and scared... thats how the reapers work, cause panic indoctrinate people, confusion. 

and then theres shepard, uniting the galaxy, why in the last battle with all the forces coordinated we were doing a pretty darn good job hurting the reapers.

those are my thoughts anyways



shameless self-promotion.

#47747
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llbountyhunter wrote...

Gormane01 wrote...

NeoDobby wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

 hey it look like jessica has taken a look at EC!
https://twitter.com/...120929086717952 



which helps out THIS tweet.
https://twitter.com/...619323212070912 


I like what I read, but I try not to read too much into it.


I don't think they are meant to be read one after the other. That second one about destory is specifically answering his question on how to get the breath scene. I don't think it was her saying that Red is THE choice you want, but rather the choice that he wants in order to get the breath scene.



not really, he didnt ask about the breath scene- he asked if thats the only one in which shepard lives and gets reunited with crew... I didnt see the words "breath scene" in there at all. 


Yep sorry you're right, my mistake. Interesting, but Jessica tends to be a little bit confusing in her Twits (they are not Tweets dammit) I figure they make sense to her, but they are often read into a bit much and may become a bit misleading.

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llbountyhunter wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

I got the impression that we were losing so badly because we were disoganized and scared... thats how the reapers work, cause panic indoctrinate people, confusion. 

and then theres shepard, uniting the galaxy, why in the last battle with all the forces coordinated we were doing a pretty darn good job hurting the reapers.

those are my thoughts anyways



shameless self-promotion.


Considering most reapers were concentrated at Earth, I would say we did great!

Modifié par balance5050, 01 mai 2012 - 01:30 .


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Big G13 wrote...

That and the new audio find. That was a good find. :)


What audio file? I don't recall an audio file, except the one from this track: www.youtube.com/watch

I do believe I was being trolled with that one, but it's hard to be certain. Posted Image



OOOOOoOoOo. First post on Page 1911- 'twas a good year.

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Auralius Carolus wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

That and the new audio find. That was a good find. :)


What audio file? I don't recall an audio file, except the one from this track: www.youtube.com/watch

I do believe I was being trolled with that one, but it's hard to be certain. Posted Image


I think they mean this audio www.youtube.com/watch