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[CARL_DF90]

Holy crap! I always loved the I.T. and all but NEVER did I imagine this thread to approach almost 2,000 pages! WHEW! Anyways, here is a little something that might get a few people laughing if they can catch the subtlety.

theory- 1) a plausible or scientifically acceptable general principle or body of principles offered to explain natural phenomena. 2) a working hypothesis that is considered probable based on experimental evidence or factual or conceptual analysis and is accepted as a basis for experimentation.

[HellishFiend]

CARL_DF90 wrote...

Holy crap! I always loved the I.T. and all but NEVER did I imagine this thread to approach almost 2,000 pages! WHEW! Anyways, here is a little something that might get a few people laughing if they can catch the subtlety.

theory- 1) a plausible or scientifically acceptable general principle or body of principles offered to explain natural phenomena. 2) a working hypothesis that is considered probable based on experimental evidence or factual or conceptual analysis and is accepted as a basis for experimentation.

I remember seeing that when you posted it yesterday (or was it the day before?), but I dont get the joke. Can you enlighten?

[Arian Dynas]

Arian Dynas wrote...

byne - Indoctrinationist 
lex0r11 - Indoctrinationist 
GBGriffin - Literalist Apologist
Ilbountyhunter - Indoctrinationist
estebanus - Indoctrinationist 
Earthborn_Shepard - Indoctrinationist
ExtendedCut - Indoctrinationist
Golferguy758 - Indoctrinationist
Simon_Says - Indoctrinationist
HellishFiend - Indoctrinationist
spotlessvoid - Indoctrinationist
Tirian Thorn - Indoctrinationist
Emperor_Ike - Indoctrinationist
Sero303 - Indoctrinationist
IronSabbath88 - Indoctrinationist
BatmanTurian - Indoctrinationist
Uncle Jo - Indoctrinationist Cynic
Rastlin Majare 1992 - Indoctrinationist
Dwailing - Indoctrinationist
MaximizedAction - Indoctrinationist
Balance5050 - Indoctrinationist
JadeBaby88 - Indoctrinationist
DJBare - Indoctrinationist Cynic
gunslinger_ruiz - Indoctrinationist
n00bsauce2012 - Indoctrinationist
Unschuld - Indoctrinationist
Big G13 - Indoctrinationist
Hawk227 - Indoctrinationist
protognosis - Indoctrinationist
Domanese - Indoctrinationist
schneeland - Indoctrinationist
Bleeding Uranium - Indoctrinationist
Rifneno - Indoctrinationist
Nauks - Indoctrinationist Cynic
Asharad Hett - Indoctrinationist
Megumi Azusa - Indoctrinationist Cynic
NotAnotherDisplayName - Indoctrinationist Cynic
EpyonX3 - Indoctrinationist Cynic
Sammuthegreat - Indoctrinationist 
Vahilor - Indoctrinationist Cynic
Lokanaiya - Indoctrinationist
marcelo_sdk - Nonpartisan
kyg_20X6 - Literalist
Arbalor4 - Indoctrinationist
bigstig - Indoctrinationist
Big Bad - Indoctrinationist
Auralius Carolus - Indoctrinationist
TheConstantOne - Indoctrinationist
Gormane01 - Indoctrinationist
liggy002 - Indoctrinationist
Beast919 - Indoctrinationist
iggy1eco - Indoctrinationist
pirate1802 - Indoctrinationist
NeoDobby - Indoctrinationist
SubAstris - Literalist (get over it you hippie)
Arashi08 - Indoctrinationist
IsaacShep - Literalist
McWhitey3 - Indoctrinationist
Icinix - Indoctrinationist
mrfinke - Indoctrinationist
Phydeaux314 - Nonpartisan
MrRiadon - Indoctrinationist
Teddie Sage - Indoctrinationist
Eumerin - Indoctrinationist Cynic
AxisEvolve - Indoctrinationist
galaxy366 - Indoctrinationist
Dranume - Indoctrinationist
ZIPO396  - Indoctrinationist
The Savage Nympth - Indoctrinationist
Makrys - Indoctrinationist
Revan67 - Nonpartisan
Sajuro - Nonpartisan
Luigitornado - Virtualist
Sereaph502 - Indoctrinationist
Nerana - Nonpartisan
Xellith - Nonpartisan
Foulpancake - Nonpartisan
Doomhams - Indoctrinationist
raeting - Literalist
Slappy Ya Face - Indoctrinationist
KingNothin125 - Indoctrinationist
Serp86 - Indoctrinationist
AgentB406 - Indoctrinationist
Kirkknight - Indoctrinationist
slyko227 - Indoctrinationist
Nobrandminda - Nonpartisan
AlCord - Nonpartisan
Aligalipe - Indoctrinationist
Gam3Ov3r - Indoctrinationist
ragewin - Indoctrinationist
movieguyabw - Literalist
Davnort - Indoctrinationist
Militarized - Literalist
FugitiveMind - Nonpartisan
Dr.Detective - Literalist
ibage - Literalist
killakidmb - Indoctrinationist
M U P P 3 T Z - Indoctrinationist
Asuka Bianchi - Indoctrinationist
Lord Nikon 001 - Indoctrinationist
SoulfulMiles - Indoctrinationist
Greed1914 - Indoctrinationist
Unender - Indoctrinationist
The Chosen Predator - Indoctrinationist
X-Frame - Indoctrinationist
kalamity116 - Nonpartisan
littleork - Indoctrinationist
XenoAlbedo - Indoctrinationist
John Locke N7 - Indoctrinationist
idunhaveaname - Nonpartisan
Adugan - Literalist
Ice Cold J - Literalist
krystalevenstar - Indoctrinationist
Odd Bet - Indoctrinationist
k8ee - Indoctrinationist
Stephanid98 - Indoctrinationist
CBGB - Indoctrinationist
RedDeadRemix - Indoctrinationist
Manou1 - Indoctrinationist
iSpitfireee - Indoctrinationist
MPSai - Nonpartisan
Madcat124 - Nonpartisan
Pasicrates - Indoctrinationist
Ariaya - Indoctrinationist
thavleifrim - Indoctrinationist
MrChowderClam - Nonpartisan
TheProfessor234 - Indoctrinationist
Doronamo - Nonpartisan
hector7rau - Nonpartisan
magnetite - Indoctrinationist
yummysoap - Literalist
Iavosslayer - Indoctrinationist
Arlind Webb - Indoctrinationist
Sovereign z - Indoctrinationist
Ebannaw1 - Indoctrinationist
xGhost4000x - Indoctrinationist
hatori1181 - Indoctrinationist
seli - Nonpartisan
overburning - Nonpartisan
Ifeus - Indoctrinationist
CARL_DF90 - Indoctrinationist
kj0600 - Indoctrinationist
GoblinSapper - Indoctrinationist
TryckSh0t - Indoctrinationist
xDarkspace - Indoctrinationist
VictorianTrash - Indoctrinationist Cynic
Auresta - Indoctrinationist
rolson00 - Indoctrinationist
Trisskit - Indoctrinationist
aderynbrea - Indoctrinationist
fr33stylez - Literalist
mynameisdanza - Indoctrinationist
SandTrout - Nonpartisan
Loliliana - Nonpartisan
Aethgeir - Literalist 
humes spork - Indoctrinationist
Merc3ast - Indoctrinationist
Ellythe - Indoctrinationist
FoxShadowblade - Indoctrinationist
jake21221 - Indoctrinationist
CajunRexShepard - Indoctrinationist 
Sundance31us - Indoctrinationist
Humanoid_Typhon - Literalist

And, in addition, heroes we've forgotten; Beast919, First compiler of evidence, Eumerin, first Cynic to present a solid argument, Dranume, first to add evidence to the argument, humes spork, first to sugguest the Shepard Alive scene contained concrete. k8ee, M U P P 3 T Z, Odd Bet, littleork, Beast919, the first regulars, now gone. Ariaya, creator of the "Destruction hallucinations are reapers trying to make Shepard despair" theory. Magnetite, who noticed the echo to be found in  the voices, as well as the whispers in the ambient music. Kyrstalevenstar, whom first dissected the Star Child's logic.

Pages 1-10, 1900-1915

I briefly considered having a seperate list for trolls, but in the end, so long as they aren't blatantly flaming and just either dumb or capable of putting up SOME kind of argument, then I'll leave 'em on. I know, my magnanimity knows no bounds.

Also, finding some old evidence, perhaps we should dig through our own past, a bit archaeology next time we're bored., like these little gems;

http://social.biowar...27423/9#9737069 
http://social.biowar...27423/9#9736659 
http://social.biowar...27423/9#9736802 

pirate1802 wrote...

Well I saaw my name in the smaller list and got excited :|

 

Better?

Modifié par Arian Dynas, 01 mai 2012 - 04:55 .

[llbountyhunter]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Aethgeir wrote...

Sorry guys, but Indoctrination Theory fails for one very simple reason:

If people can’t tell a key element of the plot from bad writing, then guess what? IT’S BAD WRITING!

Not to feed the troll, but this, my friends, is a Literalist.

I think it was a joke   (jokerist?)

[MegumiAzusa]

What does "Indoctrinationist Cynic" mean?

[slyko227]

big list, funny thing is i remember a lot of those people

[slyko227]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

What does "Indoctrinationist Cynic" mean?

uh you believe in indoctrination and feel it is the only way for bioware to proceed?? or something like that

[fr33stylez]

The problem I'll always have with the IT is the weakest part of the theory involves WHEN Shepard tactually became indoctrinated. I'm in the belief that there's nothing really in the game to suggest he's ever in close proximity with a Reaper long enough to become indoctrinated. Even if he were, he wouldn't be the only one indoctrinated.

[llbountyhunter]

fr33stylez wrote...

The problem I'll always have with the IT is the weakest part of the theory involves WHEN Shepard tactually became indoctrinated. I'm in the belief that there's nothing really in the game to suggest he's ever in close proximity with a Reaper long enough to become indoctrinated. Even if he were, he wouldn't be the only one indoctrinated.

he went on arrival solo

[killakidmb]

fr33stylez wrote...

The problem I'll always have with the IT is the weakest part of the theory involves WHEN Shepard tactually became indoctrinated. I'm in the belief that there's nothing really in the game to suggest he's ever in close proximity with a Reaper long enough to become indoctrinated. Even if he were, he wouldn't be the only one indoctrinated.

If you've played Arrival, then that's a pretty good opportunity for some level of indoctrination. Considering that Shep was passed out near a reaper artifact on his own for 2 days.

Modifié par killakidmb, 01 mai 2012 - 04:13 .

[MegumiAzusa]

fr33stylez wrote...

The problem I'll always have with the IT is the weakest part of the theory involves WHEN Shepard tactually became indoctrinated. I'm in the belief that there's nothing really in the game to suggest he's ever in close proximity with a Reaper long enough to become indoctrinated. Even if he were, he wouldn't be the only one indoctrinated.

There are quite a few hints your entire squad is more or less indoctrinated.

[HellishFiend]

fr33stylez wrote...

The problem I'll always have with the IT is the weakest part of the theory involves WHEN Shepard tactually became indoctrinated. I'm in the belief that there's nothing really in the game to suggest he's ever in close proximity with a Reaper long enough to become indoctrinated. Even if he were, he wouldn't be the only one indoctrinated.

There is a lot of speculation and information on this topic. One of the most prevalent theories is that Shepard's indoctrionation started during his exposure to Object Rho in Arrival. This is supported by the fact that the Arrival DLC was made in the same time frame that Bioware was putting together Mass Effect 3. If they felt they needed a more tangible story element to suggest that Shepard was about to undergo some form of indoctrination attempt, they sure managed to work a strong one into Arrival. 

[Arian Dynas]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

What does "Indoctrinationist Cynic" mean?

You beleive Indoctrination Theory, but you spend your time either playing devil's advocate, or criticizing evidence in the name of seperating real evidence from reading too far into it.

We need alot of those people.

[BatmanTurian]

fr33stylez wrote...

The problem I'll always have with the IT is the weakest part of the theory involves WHEN Shepard tactually became indoctrinated. I'm in the belief that there's nothing really in the game to suggest he's ever in close proximity with a Reaper long enough to become indoctrinated. Even if he were, he wouldn't be the only one indoctrinated.

And this is your fundamental misunderstanding. Shepard was never fully indoctrinated. Shepard was only ever in the earliest subtle stages until the end in London when Harbinger mind rapes him/her and tries to trick Shepherd into coming over to his side. Shepard doesn't take the bait unless he grabs the Tesla coils or jumps into the beam.

And there is some evidence to show that some of your friends may have been in the early stages, such as when Liara comments on the undead baby reaper in the Cerberus base, saying she feels like it's watching them.

[The Savage Nymph]

 Sorry to interrupt the celebrations, but I really have to say thank you to everyone. I've been lurking since page 687 or so, and this was the third thread I read after finishing Mass Effect 3. It... wasn't a pleasant feeling, to put it lightly. Just plain utter wrongness and a lot of things that stood out as very, very strange. The fact that this explained all of that, and has tied more things in since it started that I never even noticed, gave me hope. A lot of it. Now, even if Indoctrination Theory isn't true, the real ending won't hit as hard this time. Heck, they might somehow come up with a better explanation.
If this is true, though, well... Fun times to be had, right? So once again, thank you all.
Oh. Side note so that this isn't pointless: About the "gunfire" shots from the end? The really quiet ones that were discussed earlier? I don't think the growl-esque sounds after them are echos or after effects. If they were, wouldn't they be after every grouping of "lightning arcs"? Or at least most of them. I noticed that the timing of them seemed rather erratic.

Modifié par The Savage Nymph, 01 mai 2012 - 04:18 .

[BleedingUranium]

I have been following since about page 200, and have been posting since about 600, though not as much as I'd like

Do you think I could be on the list to?

[Arian Dynas]

BleedingUranium wrote...

I have been following since about page 200, and have been posting since about 600, though not as much as I'd like

Do you think I could be on the list to?

*hug* too late.

You already are. 

Modifié par Arian Dynas, 01 mai 2012 - 04:25 .

[BleedingUranium]

Arian Dynas wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

I have been following since about page 200, and have been posting since about 600, though not as much as I'd like

Do you think I could be on the list to?

*hug* too late.

You already are.

Haha, thanks

[BatmanTurian]

HellishFiend wrote...

fr33stylez wrote...

The problem I'll always have with the IT is the weakest part of the theory involves WHEN Shepard tactually became indoctrinated. I'm in the belief that there's nothing really in the game to suggest he's ever in close proximity with a Reaper long enough to become indoctrinated. Even if he were, he wouldn't be the only one indoctrinated.

There is a lot of speculation and information on this topic. One of the most prevalent theories is that Shepard's indoctrionation started during his exposure to Object Rho in Arrival. This is supported by the fact that the Arrival DLC was made in the same time frame that Bioware was putting together Mass Effect 3. If they felt they needed a more tangible story element to suggest that Shepard was about to undergo some form of indoctrination attempt, they sure managed to work a strong one into Arrival. 

If a player didn't do the Arrival DLC, then all of the time spent in the Collector Base and the time spent on the derelict reaper, all of the times spent around Harbinger-possessed Collectors, and all of the times Shepard interacted with Sovereign (all the way back to Eden Prime) counts as a gentle 3-year indoctrination similar to what Seren experienced before he caved to Synthesis.

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 01 mai 2012 - 04:28 .

[Arian Dynas]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

I have been following since about page 200, and have been posting since about 600, though not as much as I'd like

Do you think I could be on the list to?

*hug* too late.

You already are.

Haha, thanks

Nobody gets left behind.

[Arian Dynas]

BatmanTurian wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

fr33stylez wrote...

The problem I'll always have with the IT is the weakest part of the theory involves WHEN Shepard tactually became indoctrinated. I'm in the belief that there's nothing really in the game to suggest he's ever in close proximity with a Reaper long enough to become indoctrinated. Even if he were, he wouldn't be the only one indoctrinated.

There is a lot of speculation and information on this topic. One of the most prevalent theories is that Shepard's indoctrionation started during his exposure to Object Rho in Arrival. This is supported by the fact that the Arrival DLC was made in the same time frame that Bioware was putting together Mass Effect 3. If they felt they needed a more tangible story element to suggest that Shepard was about to undergo some form of indoctrination attempt, they sure managed to work a strong one into Arrival. 

If a player didn't do the Arrival DLC, then all of the time spent in the Collector Base and the time spent on the derelict reaper, all of the times spent around Harbinger-possessed Collectors, and all of the times Shepard interacted with Sovereign (all the way back to Eden Prime) counts as a gentle 3-year indoctrination similar to what Seren experienced before he caved to Synthesis.

But morever, it doesn't make as much sense as Rho, and to be honest, that jives pretty well with their track record of explaining certain things for n00bs

[iggy1eco]

Looks like everyone is late at night here too, or maybe because I'm an European, I'm the one that should be sleeping a long time ago =p. My first post here ='D, and I don't want to be a pain in the [DATA DELETED] but could someone link me the two sides of these theories? I confess I've not been reading this since page one however I read hundreds of pages with lots and lots of good theories and simply nitpicking, but all good reads. I read enough to know what the Indoctrination "theory" is (if it really can be called "theory" and instead is exactly what happened, a "fact" that I support) and some organized proof and study of it, if you want to call it.

However, I also read something about the Anti-Indoctrination theory, that somehow I understand it still involves indoctrination but the location of shepard is different. What I mean is, it seams Pro-IT: Shepard on Earth --- Anti-IT: Shepard in Citadel. Am I wrong? Did I miss something.

Could someone please link me both theories. Links to where they are a hot discussion. I know this thread IS it at some point, but I also know that there are some other links that were posted somewhere, if not, extern links, talking exactly about the difference between both. Thing is, it's hard for me to find even with search. I'll continue searching, but I leave the comment still for a possible quick response.

I'd be very grateful, cause it would be both entertaining and awesome to feel a little bit more the impact this controversy is in first person with an audience such as all of you ='D. I've got my motives to support my indoc theory, but I would feel like being redundant. Great night/day to all of ya!

[CARL_DF90]

HellishFiend wrote...

CARL_DF90 wrote...

Holy crap! I always loved the I.T. and all but NEVER did I imagine this thread to approach almost 2,000 pages! WHEW! Anyways, here is a little something that might get a few people laughing if they can catch the subtlety.

theory- 1) a plausible or scientifically acceptable general principle or body of principles offered to explain natural phenomena. 2) a working hypothesis that is considered probable based on experimental evidence or factual or conceptual analysis and is accepted as a basis for experimentation.

I remember seeing that when you posted it yesterday (or was it the day before?), but I dont get the joke. Can you enlighten?

Well, first the people who argue against the I.T. seem to forget the meaning of the word "theory" and start mindlessly hating on those who like and/or support it.

Second, which is in reference to the first, since the "theory" hasn't been proven or disproven yet it is a fun topic to discuss since there is enough evidence to both support it and to debunk it. Plus, since this is a sci-fi setting we're talking about the word "theory" fits very well.

As for the I.T. itself, even without Object Rho, Shep has been exposed to so many Reaper objects and indoctrinated enemies since ME1 that it makes for a compelling arguement. For what I mean by that reference ME2's codex on indoctrination.

Modifié par CARL_DF90, 01 mai 2012 - 04:43 .

[BatmanTurian]

Arian Dynas wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

fr33stylez wrote...

The problem I'll always have with the IT is the weakest part of the theory involves WHEN Shepard tactually became indoctrinated. I'm in the belief that there's nothing really in the game to suggest he's ever in close proximity with a Reaper long enough to become indoctrinated. Even if he were, he wouldn't be the only one indoctrinated.

There is a lot of speculation and information on this topic. One of the most prevalent theories is that Shepard's indoctrionation started during his exposure to Object Rho in Arrival. This is supported by the fact that the Arrival DLC was made in the same time frame that Bioware was putting together Mass Effect 3. If they felt they needed a more tangible story element to suggest that Shepard was about to undergo some form of indoctrination attempt, they sure managed to work a strong one into Arrival. 

If a player didn't do the Arrival DLC, then all of the time spent in the Collector Base and the time spent on the derelict reaper, all of the times spent around Harbinger-possessed Collectors, and all of the times Shepard interacted with Sovereign (all the way back to Eden Prime) counts as a gentle 3-year indoctrination similar to what Seren experienced before he caved to Synthesis.

But morever, it doesn't make as much sense as Rho, and to be honest, that jives pretty well with their track record of explaining certain things for n00bs

Oh, I agree. It's just that n00bs may not have played Arrival so you have to satisfy those inevitable nitpickers who will say " Well, my shepard didn't do Arrival. So my Shepard can't be in the process of being indoctrinated" *sigh*

[Arian Dynas]

iggy1eco wrote...

Looks like everyone is late at night here too, or maybe because I'm an European, I'm the one that should be sleeping a long time ago =p. My first post here ='D, and I don't want to be a pain in the [DATA DELETED] but could someone link me the two sides of these theories? I confess I've not been reading this since page one however I read hundreds of pages with lots and lots of good theories and simply nitpicking, but all good reads. I read enough to know what the Indoctrination "theory" is (if it really can be called "theory" and instead is exactly what happened, a "fact" that I support) and some organized proof and study of it, if you want to call it.

However, I also read something about the Anti-Indoctrination theory, that somehow I understand it still involves indoctrination but the location of shepard is different. What I mean is, it seams Pro-IT: Shepard on Earth --- Anti-IT: Shepard in Citadel. Am I wrong? Did I miss something.

Could someone please link me both theories. Links to where they are a hot discussion. I know this thread IS it at some point, but I also know that there are some other links that were posted somewhere, if not, extern links, talking exactly about the difference between both. Thing is, it's hard for me to find even with search. I'll continue searching, but I leave the comment still for a possible quick response.

I'd be very grateful, cause it would be both entertaining and awesome to feel a little bit more the impact this controversy is in first person with an audience such as all of you ='D. I've got my motives to support my indoc theory, but I would feel like being redundant. Great night/day to all of ya!

Pro IT; everything you've read thus far

Anti IT; Bioware was lazy/bugs/glitches/EA wants all our ****ing money/ they're intentinally being mean mean meany heads/ bad writing.