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#47876
MegumiAzusa

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Arian Dynas wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

What does "Indoctrinationist Cynic" mean? :P


You beleive Indoctrination Theory, but you spend your time either playing devil's advocate, or criticizing evidence in the name of seperating real evidence from reading too far into it.

We need alot of those people.

I can live with that :P
btw Happycloud is still happy about the Invasion
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Gosh, made that picture even before ME3 was released :D

Also:
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There is a hole.

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 01 mai 2012 - 04:48 .


#47877
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iggy1eco wrote...

Looks like everyone is late at night here too, or maybe because I'm an European, I'm the one that should be sleeping a long time ago =p. My first post here ='D, and I don't want to be a pain in the [DATA DELETED] but could someone link me the two sides of these theories? I confess I've not been reading this since page one however I read hundreds of pages with lots and lots of good theories and simply nitpicking, but all good reads. I read enough to know what the Indoctrination "theory" is (if it really can be called "theory" and instead is exactly what happened, a "fact" that I support) and some organized proof and study of it, if you want to call it.

However, I also read something about the Anti-Indoctrination theory, that somehow I understand it still involves indoctrination but the location of shepard is different. What I mean is, it seams Pro-IT: Shepard on Earth --- Anti-IT: Shepard in Citadel. Am I wrong? Did I miss something.:?

Could someone please link me both theories. Links to where they are a hot discussion. I know this thread IS it at some point, but I also know that there are some other links that were posted somewhere, if not, extern links, talking exactly about the difference between both. Thing is, it's hard for me to find even with search. I'll continue searching, but I leave the comment still for a possible quick response.

I'd be very grateful, cause it would be both entertaining and awesome to feel a little bit more the impact this controversy is in first person with an audience such as all of you ='D. I've got my motives to support my indoc theory, but I would feel like being redundant. Great night/day to all of ya!


I have two links for you.

The first is Parobalee's blog.
http://parabolee.blogspot.com/

and then this Acavyos video



The blog is more up-to-date but the video helps glue the theory together in your head with its visuals. As for the Anti-IT side, I point you to the rest of this board, which is a wasteland of whining and b***ing.

#47878
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MegumiAzusa wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

What does "Indoctrinationist Cynic" mean? :P


You beleive Indoctrination Theory, but you spend your time either playing devil's advocate, or criticizing evidence in the name of seperating real evidence from reading too far into it.

We need alot of those people.

I can live with that :P
btw Happycloud is still happy about the Invasion
*snip*
Gosh, made that picture even before ME3 was released :D


GASP, indoctrinated cloud! Sorry.. it's getting late.

#47879
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Arian Dynas wrote...

byne - Indoctrinationist 
lex0r11 - Indoctrinationist 
GBGriffin - Literalist Apologist
Ilbountyhunter - Indoctrinationist
estebanus - Indoctrinationist 
Earthborn_Shepard - Indoctrinationist
ExtendedCut - Indoctrinationist
Golferguy758 - Indoctrinationist
Simon_Says - Indoctrinationist
HellishFiend - Indoctrinationist
spotlessvoid - Indoctrinationist
Tirian Thorn - Indoctrinationist
Emperor_Ike - Indoctrinationist
Sero303 - Indoctrinationist
IronSabbath88 - Indoctrinationist
BatmanTurian - Indoctrinationist
Uncle Jo - Indoctrinationist Cynic
Rastlin Majare 1992 - Indoctrinationist
Dwailing - Indoctrinationist
MaximizedAction - Indoctrinationist
Balance5050 - Indoctrinationist
JadeBaby88 - Indoctrinationist
DJBare - Indoctrinationist Cynic
gunslinger_ruiz - Indoctrinationist
n00bsauce2012 - Indoctrinationist
Unschuld - Indoctrinationist
Big G13 - Indoctrinationist
Hawk227 - Indoctrinationist
protognosis - Indoctrinationist
Domanese - Indoctrinationist
schneeland - Indoctrinationist
Rifneno - Indoctrinationist
Nauks - Indoctrinationist Cynic
Asharad Hett - Indoctrinationist
Megumi Azusa - Indoctrinationist Cynic
NotAnotherDisplayName - Indoctrinationist Cynic
EpyonX3 - Indoctrinationist Cynic
Sammuthegreat - Indoctrinationist 
Vahilor - Indoctrinationist Cynic
marcelo_sdk - Nonpartisan
kyg_20X6 - Literalist
bigstig - Indoctrinationist
Big Bad - Indoctrinationist
Auralius Carolus - Indoctrinationist
TheConstantOne - Indoctrinationist
Gormane01 - Indoctrinationist
liggy002 - Indoctrinationist
Beast919 - Indoctrinationist
NeoDobby - Indoctrinationist
SubAstris - Literalist (get over it you hippie)
Arashi08 - Indoctrinationist
Phydeaux314 - Nonpartisan
MrRiadon - Indoctrinationist
Teddie Sage - Indoctrinationist
Eumerin - Indoctrinationist Cynic
AxisEvolve - Indoctrinationist
galaxy366 - Indoctrinationist
Dranume - Indoctrinationist
Revan67 - Nonpartisan
Sajuro - Nonpartisan
Luigitornado - Virtualist
Sereaph502 - Indoctrinationist
Nerana - Nonpartisan
Xellith - Nonpartisan
Foulpancake - Nonpartisan
Doomhams - Indoctrinationist
raeting - Literalist
KingNothin125 - Indoctrinationist
Serp86 - Indoctrinationist
AgentB406 - Indoctrinationist
Kirkknight - Indoctrinationist
Nobrandminda - Nonpartisan
AlCord - Nonpartisan
Aligalipe - Indoctrinationist
Gam3Ov3r - Indoctrinationist
ragewin - Indoctrinationist
movieguyabw - Literalist
Davnort - Indoctrinationist
Militarized - Literalist
FugitiveMind - Nonpartisan
Dr.Detective - Literalist
ibage - Literalist
M U P P 3 T Z - Nonpartisan
Asuka Bianchi - Indoctrinationist
Lord Nikon 001 - Indoctrinationist
SoulfulMiles - Indoctrinationist
Greed1914 - Indoctrinationist
Unender - Indoctrinationist
The Chosen Predator - Indoctrinationist
X-Frame - Indoctrinationist
kalamity116 - Nonpartisan
littleork - Indoctrinationist
XenoAlbedo - Indoctrinationist
John Locke N7 - Indoctrinationist
idunhaveaname - Nonpartisan
Adugan - Literalist
Odd Bet - Indoctrinationist
k8ee - Indoctrinationist
Stephanid98 - Indoctrinationist
CBGB - Indoctrinationist
RedDeadRemix
Manou1 - Indoctrinationist
iSpitfireee - Indoctrinationist
yummysoap - Literalist
Merc3ast - Indoctrinationist
Sundance31us - Indoctrinationist
Humanoid_Typhon - Literalist

And, in addition, heroes we've forgotten; Beast919, First compiler of evidence, Eumerin, first Cynic to present a solid argument, Dranume, first to add evidence to the argument, following byne.

There's the first wave of names, I managed to get to page 5, page 6 and beyond are being worked on, and will be expanded, als includes anyone whom popped into my head while I was working on this. This'll take a while for our memorial, but feel free to chip in if you like.

Wow...even I'M on there? W00T!   I haven't done much on the thread so I'm geniunely surprised, not to mention honored. Posted Image

#47880
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Where am I lol I've bin here since page 20 hahahahah well I've said little stuff and lurked in shadows:ph34r:

Arian Dynas wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

byne - Indoctrinationist 
lex0r11 - Indoctrinationist 
GBGriffin - Literalist Apologist
Ilbountyhunter - Indoctrinationist
estebanus - Indoctrinationist 
Earthborn_Shepard - Indoctrinationist
ExtendedCut - Indoctrinationist
Golferguy758 - Indoctrinationist
Simon_Says - Indoctrinationist
HellishFiend - Indoctrinationist
spotlessvoid - Indoctrinationist
Tirian Thorn - Indoctrinationist
Emperor_Ike - Indoctrinationist
Sero303 - Indoctrinationist
IronSabbath88 - Indoctrinationist
BatmanTurian - Indoctrinationist
Uncle Jo - Indoctrinationist Cynic
Rastlin Majare 1992 - Indoctrinationist
Dwailing - Indoctrinationist
MaximizedAction - Indoctrinationist
Balance5050 - Indoctrinationist
JadeBaby88 - Indoctrinationist
DJBare - Indoctrinationist Cynic
gunslinger_ruiz - Indoctrinationist
n00bsauce2012 - Indoctrinationist
Unschuld - Indoctrinationist
Big G13 - Indoctrinationist
Hawk227 - Indoctrinationist
protognosis - Indoctrinationist
Domanese - Indoctrinationist
schneeland - Indoctrinationist
Bleeding Uranium - Indoctrinationist
Rifneno - Indoctrinationist
Nauks - Indoctrinationist Cynic
Asharad Hett - Indoctrinationist
Megumi Azusa - Indoctrinationist Cynic
NotAnotherDisplayName - Indoctrinationist Cynic
EpyonX3 - Indoctrinationist Cynic
Sammuthegreat - Indoctrinationist 
Vahilor - Indoctrinationist Cynic
Lokanaiya - Indoctrinationist
marcelo_sdk - Nonpartisan
kyg_20X6 - Literalist
Arbalor4 - Indoctrinationist
bigstig - Indoctrinationist
Big Bad - Indoctrinationist
Auralius Carolus - Indoctrinationist
TheConstantOne - Indoctrinationist
Gormane01 - Indoctrinationist
liggy002 - Indoctrinationist
Beast919 - Indoctrinationist
iggy1eco - Indoctrinationist
pirate1802 - Indoctrinationist
NeoDobby - Indoctrinationist
SubAstris - Literalist (get over it you hippie)
Arashi08 - Indoctrinationist
IsaacShep - Literalist
McWhitey3 - Indoctrinationist
Icinix - Indoctrinationist
mrfinke - Indoctrinationist
Phydeaux314 - Nonpartisan
MrRiadon - Indoctrinationist
Teddie Sage - Indoctrinationist
Eumerin - Indoctrinationist Cynic
AxisEvolve - Indoctrinationist
galaxy366 - Indoctrinationist
Dranume - Indoctrinationist
The Savage Nympth - Indoctrinationist
Makrys - Indoctrinationist
Revan67 - Nonpartisan
Sajuro - Nonpartisan
Luigitornado - Virtualist
Sereaph502 - Indoctrinationist
Nerana - Nonpartisan
Xellith - Nonpartisan
Foulpancake - Nonpartisan
Doomhams - Indoctrinationist
raeting - Literalist
Slappy Ya Face - Indoctrinationist
KingNothin125 - Indoctrinationist
Serp86 - Indoctrinationist
AgentB406 - Indoctrinationist
Kirkknight - Indoctrinationist
slyko227 - Indoctrinationist
Nobrandminda - Nonpartisan
AlCord - Nonpartisan
Aligalipe - Indoctrinationist
Gam3Ov3r - Indoctrinationist
ragewin - Indoctrinationist
movieguyabw - Literalist
Davnort - Indoctrinationist
Militarized - Literalist
FugitiveMind - Nonpartisan
Dr.Detective - Literalist
ibage - Literalist
killakidmb - Indoctrinationist
M U P P 3 T Z - Indoctrinationist
Asuka Bianchi - Indoctrinationist
Lord Nikon 001 - Indoctrinationist
SoulfulMiles - Indoctrinationist
Greed1914 - Indoctrinationist
Unender - Indoctrinationist
The Chosen Predator - Indoctrinationist
X-Frame - Indoctrinationist
kalamity116 - Nonpartisan
littleork - Indoctrinationist
XenoAlbedo - Indoctrinationist
John Locke N7 - Indoctrinationist
idunhaveaname - Nonpartisan
Adugan - Literalist
Ice Cold J - Literalist
krystalevenstar - Indoctrinationist
Odd Bet - Indoctrinationist
k8ee - Indoctrinationist
Stephanid98 - Indoctrinationist
CBGB - Indoctrinationist
RedDeadRemix - Indoctrinationist
Manou1 - Indoctrinationist
iSpitfireee - Indoctrinationist
MPSai - Nonpartisan
Madcat124 - Nonpartisan
Pasicrates - Indoctrinationist
Ariaya - Indoctrinationist
thavleifrim - Indoctrinationist
MrChowderClam - Nonpartisan
TheProfessor234 - Indoctrinationist
Doronamo - Nonpartisan
hector7rau - Nonpartisan
magnetite - Indoctrinationist
yummysoap - Literalist
Iavosslayer - Indoctrinationist
Arlind Webb - Indoctrinationist
Sovereign z - Indoctrinationist
Ebannaw1 - Indoctrinationist
xGhost4000x - Indoctrinationist
hatori1181 - Indoctrinationist
seli - Nonpartisan
overburning - Nonpartisan
Ifeus - Indoctrinationist
CARL_DF90 - Indoctrinationist
kj0600 - Indoctrinationist
GoblinSapper - Indoctrinationist
TryckSh0t - Indoctrinationist
xDarkspace - Indoctrinationist
VictorianTrash - Indoctrinationist Cynic
Auresta - Indoctrinationist
rolson00 - Indoctrinationist
Trisskit - Indoctrinationist
aderynbrea - Indoctrinationist
fr33stylez - Literalist
mynameisdanza - Indoctrinationist
SandTrout - Nonpartisan
Loliliana - Nonpartisan
Aethgeir - Literalist 
humes spork - Indoctrinationist
Merc3ast - Indoctrinationist
Ellythe - Indoctrinationist
FoxShadowblade - Indoctrinationist
jake21221 - Indoctrinationist
CajunRexShepard - Indoctrinationist 
Sundance31us - Indoctrinationist
Humanoid_Typhon - Literalist

And, in addition, heroes we've forgotten; Beast919, First compiler of evidence, Eumerin, first Cynic to present a solid argument, Dranume, first to add evidence to the argument, humes spork, first to sugguest the Shepard Alive scene contained concrete. k8ee, M U P P 3 T Z, Odd Bet, littleork, Beast919, the first regulars, now gone. Ariaya, creator of the "Destruction hallucinations are reapers trying to make Shepard despair" theory. Magnetite, who noticed the echo to be found in  the voices, as well as the whispers in the ambient music. Kyrstalevenstar, whom first dissected the Star Child's logic.

Pages 1-10, 1900-1915

I briefly considered having a seperate list for trolls, but in the end, so long as they aren't blatantly flaming and just either dumb or capable of putting up SOME kind of argument, then I'll leave 'em on. I know, my magnanimity knows no bounds.

Also, finding some old evidence, perhaps we should dig through our own past, a bit archaeology next time we're bored., like these little gems;

http://social.biowar...27423/9#9737069 
http://social.biowar...27423/9#9736659 
http://social.biowar...27423/9#9736802 


pirate1802 wrote...

Well I saaw my name in the smaller list and got excited :|

 

Better?



#47881
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Arashi08 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

byne - Indoctrinationist 
lex0r11 - Indoctrinationist 
GBGriffin - Literalist Apologist
Ilbountyhunter - Indoctrinationist
estebanus - Indoctrinationist 
Earthborn_Shepard - Indoctrinationist
ExtendedCut - Indoctrinationist
Golferguy758 - Indoctrinationist
Simon_Says - Indoctrinationist
HellishFiend - Indoctrinationist
spotlessvoid - Indoctrinationist
Tirian Thorn - Indoctrinationist
Emperor_Ike - Indoctrinationist
Sero303 - Indoctrinationist
IronSabbath88 - Indoctrinationist
BatmanTurian - Indoctrinationist
Uncle Jo - Indoctrinationist Cynic
Rastlin Majare 1992 - Indoctrinationist
Dwailing - Indoctrinationist
MaximizedAction - Indoctrinationist
Balance5050 - Indoctrinationist
JadeBaby88 - Indoctrinationist
DJBare - Indoctrinationist Cynic
gunslinger_ruiz - Indoctrinationist
n00bsauce2012 - Indoctrinationist
Unschuld - Indoctrinationist
Big G13 - Indoctrinationist
Hawk227 - Indoctrinationist
protognosis - Indoctrinationist
Domanese - Indoctrinationist
schneeland - Indoctrinationist
Rifneno - Indoctrinationist
Nauks - Indoctrinationist Cynic
Asharad Hett - Indoctrinationist
Megumi Azusa - Indoctrinationist Cynic
NotAnotherDisplayName - Indoctrinationist Cynic
EpyonX3 - Indoctrinationist Cynic
Sammuthegreat - Indoctrinationist 
Vahilor - Indoctrinationist Cynic
marcelo_sdk - Nonpartisan
kyg_20X6 - Literalist
bigstig - Indoctrinationist
Big Bad - Indoctrinationist
Auralius Carolus - Indoctrinationist
TheConstantOne - Indoctrinationist
Gormane01 - Indoctrinationist
liggy002 - Indoctrinationist
Beast919 - Indoctrinationist
NeoDobby - Indoctrinationist
SubAstris - Literalist (get over it you hippie)
Arashi08 - Indoctrinationist
Phydeaux314 - Nonpartisan
MrRiadon - Indoctrinationist
Teddie Sage - Indoctrinationist
Eumerin - Indoctrinationist Cynic
AxisEvolve - Indoctrinationist
galaxy366 - Indoctrinationist
Dranume - Indoctrinationist
Revan67 - Nonpartisan
Sajuro - Nonpartisan
Luigitornado - Virtualist
Sereaph502 - Indoctrinationist
Nerana - Nonpartisan
Xellith - Nonpartisan
Foulpancake - Nonpartisan
Doomhams - Indoctrinationist
raeting - Literalist
KingNothin125 - Indoctrinationist
Serp86 - Indoctrinationist
AgentB406 - Indoctrinationist
Kirkknight - Indoctrinationist
Nobrandminda - Nonpartisan
AlCord - Nonpartisan
Aligalipe - Indoctrinationist
Gam3Ov3r - Indoctrinationist
ragewin - Indoctrinationist
movieguyabw - Literalist
Davnort - Indoctrinationist
Militarized - Literalist
FugitiveMind - Nonpartisan
Dr.Detective - Literalist
ibage - Literalist
M U P P 3 T Z - Nonpartisan
Asuka Bianchi - Indoctrinationist
Lord Nikon 001 - Indoctrinationist
SoulfulMiles - Indoctrinationist
Greed1914 - Indoctrinationist
Unender - Indoctrinationist
The Chosen Predator - Indoctrinationist
X-Frame - Indoctrinationist
kalamity116 - Nonpartisan
littleork - Indoctrinationist
XenoAlbedo - Indoctrinationist
John Locke N7 - Indoctrinationist
idunhaveaname - Nonpartisan
Adugan - Literalist
Odd Bet - Indoctrinationist
k8ee - Indoctrinationist
Stephanid98 - Indoctrinationist
CBGB - Indoctrinationist
RedDeadRemix
Manou1 - Indoctrinationist
iSpitfireee - Indoctrinationist
yummysoap - Literalist
Merc3ast - Indoctrinationist
Sundance31us - Indoctrinationist
Humanoid_Typhon - Literalist

And, in addition, heroes we've forgotten; Beast919, First compiler of evidence, Eumerin, first Cynic to present a solid argument, Dranume, first to add evidence to the argument, following byne.

There's the first wave of names, I managed to get to page 5, page 6 and beyond are being worked on, and will be expanded, als includes anyone whom popped into my head while I was working on this. This'll take a while for our memorial, but feel free to chip in if you like.

Wow...even I'M on there? W00T!   I haven't done much on the thread so I'm geniunely surprised, not to mention honored. Posted Image



What is this list?

#47882
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CARL_DF90 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

CARL_DF90 wrote...

Holy crap! I always loved the I.T. and all but NEVER did I imagine this thread to approach almost 2,000 pages! WHEW! Anyways, here is a little something that might get a few people laughing if they can catch the subtlety.

theory- 1) a plausible or scientifically acceptable general principle or body of principles offered to explain natural phenomena. 2) a working hypothesis that is considered probable based on experimental evidence or factual or conceptual analysis and is accepted as a basis for experimentation.


I remember seeing that when you posted it yesterday (or was it the day before?), but I dont get the joke. Can you enlighten?


Well, first the people who argue against the I.T. seem to forget the meaning of the word "theory" and start mindlessly hating on those who like and/or support it.

Second, which is in reference to the first, since the "theory" hasn't been proven or disproven yet it is a fun topic to discuss since there is enough evidence to both support it and to debunk it. Plus, since this is a sci-fi setting we're talking about the word "theory" fits very well. Posted Image

As for the I.T. itself, even without Object Rho, Shep has been exposed to so many Reaper objects and indoctrinated enemies since ME1 that it makes for a compelling arguement. For what I mean by that reference ME2's codex on indoctrination.


I agree with you completely. However, it does little good to present the definition of the word theory to the people who write IT off out-of-hand, because by doing so, they demonstrate no willingness to entertain the idea in the first place. 

#47883
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Was this brought up before that TIM said at the beginning of the game "I'm not looking for your approval" then goes on to try and convince Shepard that control is the best solution?

I'm sure it has but might as well point it out if it hasn't

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[quote]Arian Dynas wrote...

[quote]Arian Dynas wrote...

byne - Indoctrinationist 
lex0r11 - Indoctrinationist 
GBGriffin - Literalist Apologist
Ilbountyhunter - Indoctrinationist
estebanus - Indoctrinationist 
Earthborn_Shepard - Indoctrinationist
ExtendedCut - Indoctrinationist
Golferguy758 - Indoctrinationist
Simon_Says - Indoctrinationist
HellishFiend - Indoctrinationist
spotlessvoid - Indoctrinationist
Tirian Thorn - Indoctrinationist
Emperor_Ike - Indoctrinationist
Sero303 - Indoctrinationist
IronSabbath88 - Indoctrinationist
BatmanTurian - Indoctrinationist
Uncle Jo - Indoctrinationist Cynic
Rastlin Majare 1992 - Indoctrinationist
Dwailing - Indoctrinationist
MaximizedAction - Indoctrinationist
Balance5050 - Indoctrinationist
JadeBaby88 - Indoctrinationist
DJBare - Indoctrinationist Cynic
gunslinger_ruiz - Indoctrinationist
n00bsauce2012 - Indoctrinationist
Unschuld - Indoctrinationist
Big G13 - Indoctrinationist
Hawk227 - Indoctrinationist
N7L4D - Indoctrinationist
protognosis - Indoctrinationist
Domanese - Indoctrinationist
schneeland - Indoctrinationist
Bleeding Uranium - Indoctrinationist
Rifneno - Indoctrinationist
Nauks - Indoctrinationist Cynic
Asharad Hett - Indoctrinationist
Megumi Azusa - Indoctrinationist Cynic
NotAnotherDisplayName - Indoctrinationist Cynic
EpyonX3 - Indoctrinationist Cynic
Sammuthegreat - Indoctrinationist 
Vahilor - Indoctrinationist Cynic
Lokanaiya - Indoctrinationist
marcelo_sdk - Nonpartisan
kyg_20X6 - Literalist
Arbalor4 - Indoctrinationist
bigstig - Indoctrinationist
Big Bad - Indoctrinationist
Auralius Carolus - Indoctrinationist
TheConstantOne - Indoctrinationist
Gormane01 - Indoctrinationist
liggy002 - Indoctrinationist
Beast919 - Indoctrinationist
blooregard - Indoctrinationist
ArtGerhardt - Indoctrinationist
iggy1eco - Indoctrinationist
pirate1802 - Indoctrinationist
NeoDobby - Indoctrinationist
SubAstris - Literalist (get over it you hippie)
Arashi08 - Indoctrinationist
IsaacShep - Literalist
McWhitey3 - Indoctrinationist
Icinix - Indoctrinationist
mrfinke - Indoctrinationist
Phydeaux314 - Nonpartisan
MrRiadon - Indoctrinationist
Teddie Sage - Indoctrinationist
Eumerin - Indoctrinationist Cynic
AxisEvolve - Indoctrinationist
galaxy366 - Indoctrinationist
Dranume - Indoctrinationist
ZIPO396  - Indoctrinationist
The Savage Nympth - Indoctrinationist
Makrys - Indoctrinationist
Revan67 - Nonpartisan
Sajuro - Nonpartisan
Saintthanksgiving - Indoctrinationist
Luigitornado - Virtualist
Sereaph502 - Indoctrinationist
Nerana - Nonpartisan
Xellith - Nonpartisan
XXIceColdXX - Indoctrinationist
Foulpancake - Nonpartisan
Doomhams - Indoctrinationist
raeting - Literalist
Slappy Ya Face - Indoctrinationist
KingNothin125 - Indoctrinationist
Serp86 - Indoctrinationist
AgentB406 - Indoctrinationist
Kirkknight - Indoctrinationist
slyko227 - Indoctrinationist
Nobrandminda - Nonpartisan
AlCord - Nonpartisan
Aligalipe - Indoctrinationist
Gam3Ov3r - Indoctrinationist
ragewin - Indoctrinationist
movieguyabw - Literalist
Davnort - Indoctrinationist
Militarized - Literalist
FugitiveMind - Nonpartisan
Dr.Detective - Literalist
ibage - Literalist
killakidmb - Indoctrinationist
M U P P 3 T Z - Indoctrinationist
Asuka Bianchi - Indoctrinationist
Lord Nikon 001 - Indoctrinationist
SoulfulMiles - Indoctrinationist
Greed1914 - Indoctrinationist
Unender - Indoctrinationist
The Chosen Predator - Indoctrinationist
X-Frame - Indoctrinationist
kalamity116 - Nonpartisan
littleork - Indoctrinationist
XenoAlbedo - Indoctrinationist
John Locke N7 - Indoctrinationist
idunhaveaname - Nonpartisan
Adugan - Literalist
Ice Cold J - Literalist
krystalevenstar - Indoctrinationist
Odd Bet - Indoctrinationist
k8ee - Indoctrinationist
Stephanid98 - Indoctrinationist
CBGB - Indoctrinationist
RedDeadRemix - Indoctrinationist
Manou1 - Indoctrinationist
iSpitfireee - Indoctrinationist
MPSai - Nonpartisan
Madcat124 - Nonpartisan
Pasicrates - Indoctrinationist
Ariaya - Indoctrinationist
thavleifrim - Indoctrinationist
MrChowderClam - Nonpartisan
TheProfessor234 - Indoctrinationist
Doronamo - Nonpartisan
hector7rau - Nonpartisan
magnetite - Indoctrinationist
yummysoap - Literalist
Iavosslayer - Indoctrinationist
Arlind Webb - Indoctrinationist
Sovereign z - Indoctrinationist
Ebannaw1 - Indoctrinationist
xGhost4000x - Indoctrinationist
hatori1181 - Indoctrinationist
seli - Nonpartisan
overburning - Nonpartisan
Ifeus - Indoctrinationist
CARL_DF90 - Indoctrinationist
kj0600 - Indoctrinationist
GoblinSapper - Indoctrinationist
TryckSh0t - Indoctrinationist
xDarkspace - Indoctrinationist
VictorianTrash - Indoctrinationist Cynic
Auresta - Indoctrinationist
rolson00 - Indoctrinationist
Trisskit - Indoctrinationist
aderynbrea - Indoctrinationist
fr33stylez - Literalist
mynameisdanza - Indoctrinationist
SandTrout - Nonpartisan
Loliliana - Nonpartisan
Aethgeir - Literalist 
humes spork - Indoctrinationist
Merc3ast - Indoctrinationist
Ellythe - Indoctrinationist
FoxShadowblade - Indoctrinationist
jake21221 - Indoctrinationist
CajunRexShepard - Indoctrinationist 
Sundance31us - Indoctrinationist
Humanoid_Typhon - Literalist

And, in addition, heroes we've forgotten; Beast919, First compiler of evidence, Eumerin, first Cynic to present a solid argument, Dranume, first to add evidence to the argument, humes spork, first to sugguest the Shepard Alive scene contained concrete. k8ee, M U P P 3 T Z, Odd Bet, littleork, Beast919, the first regulars, now gone. Ariaya, creator of the "Destruction hallucinations are reapers trying to make Shepard despair" theory. Magnetite, who noticed the echo to be found in  the voices, as well as the whispers in the ambient music. Kyrstalevenstar, whom first dissected the Star Child's logic.

Pages 1-10, 1900-1915

I briefly considered having a seperate list for trolls, but in the end, so long as they aren't blatantly flaming and just either dumb or capable of putting up SOME kind of argument, then I'll leave 'em on. I know, my magnanimity knows no bounds.

Also, finding some old evidence, perhaps we should dig through our own past, a bit archaeology next time we're bored., like these little gems;

http://social.biowar...27423/9#9737069 
http://social.biowar...27423/9#9736659 
http://social.biowar...27423/9#9736802 

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You are now.

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I just finished replaying ME1 as a Renegade, and I gotta tell ya.... Saren picked Green.

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Arian Dynas wrote...

Pro IT; everything you've read thus far

Anti IT; Bioware was lazy/bugs/glitches/EA wants all our ****ing money/ they're intentinally being mean mean meany heads/ bad writing.




I read between the pages 700-800 maybe? Not sure, but very close, that someone said the Anti IT had something to do with the difference on where Shepard woke up. Now I can see it's more than that. =/ Not the reaction I was hoping for from that side. I'm surprised it went there.

BatmanTurian wrote...

I have two links for you.

The first is Parobalee's blog.
http://parabolee.blogspot.com/

and then this Acavyos video



The
blog is more up-to-date but the video helps glue the theory together in your head with its visuals. As for the Anti-IT side, I point you to the rest of this board, which is a wasteland of whining and b***ing.


Thankyou for these. The blogger seems to have the exactly same reaction as me when he chose the destroy option. I even played ME3 from scratch, different imported save and all so I can read the codex better and check the kid, illusions and read the dialogues instead of just hearing. Actually, I'm still at it lol, but a first time was enough for some conclusion since I come from ME1.

About the board whining and b[DATA DELETED]ing, it's a shame.

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The Savage Nymph wrote...

 Sorry to interrupt the celebrations, but I really have to say thank you to everyone. I've been lurking since page 687 or so, and this was the third thread I read after finishing Mass Effect 3. It... wasn't a pleasant feeling, to put it lightly. Just plain utter wrongness and a lot of things that stood out as very, very strange. The fact that this explained all of that, and has tied more things in since it started that I never even noticed, gave me hope. A lot of it. Now, even if Indoctrination Theory isn't true, the real ending won't hit as hard this time. Heck, they might somehow come up with a better explanation.
If this is true, though, well... Fun times to be had, right? So once again, thank you all.
Oh. Side note so that this isn't pointless: About the "gunfire" shots from the end? The really quiet ones that were discussed earlier? I don't think the growl-esque sounds after them are echos or after effects. If they were, wouldn't they be after every grouping of "lightning arcs"? Or at least most of them. I noticed that the timing of them seemed rather erratic.


welcome, long time lurker!  :D

The way you describe your reaction to the ending is pretty much exactly the way I felt.  "Plain utter wrongness," indeed.  Here's hoping for better endings - IT or not - this summer!  :)

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Saintthanksgiving wrote...

I just finished replaying ME1 as a Renegade, and I gotta tell ya.... Saren picked Green.


Synthesis didn't end up well for him =p

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iggy1eco wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Pro IT; everything you've read thus far

Anti IT; Bioware was lazy/bugs/glitches/EA wants all our ****ing money/ they're intentinally being mean mean meany heads/ bad writing.




I read between the pages 700-800 maybe? Not sure, but very close, that someone said the Anti IT had something to do with the difference on where Shepard woke up. Now I can see it's more than that. =/ Not the reaction I was hoping for from that side. I'm surprised it went there.

BatmanTurian wrote...

I have two links for you.

The first is Parobalee's blog.
http://parabolee.blogspot.com/

and then this Acavyos video



The
blog is more up-to-date but the video helps glue the theory together in your head with its visuals. As for the Anti-IT side, I point you to the rest of this board, which is a wasteland of whining and b***ing.


Thankyou for these. The blogger seems to have the exactly same reaction as me when he chose the destroy option. I even played ME3 from scratch, different imported save and all so I can read the codex better and check the kid, illusions and read the dialogues instead of just hearing. Actually, I'm still at it lol, but a first time was enough for some conclusion since I come from ME1.

About the board whining and b[DATA DELETED]ing, it's a shame.


You're very welcome. I'm very happy to help.

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iggy1eco wrote...



I read between the pages 700-800 maybe? Not sure, but very close, that someone said the Anti IT had something to do with the difference on where Shepard woke up. Now I can see it's more than that. =/ Not the reaction I was hoping for from that side. I'm surprised it went there.


I think you're thinking of that I.T. 2.0. Basically it says that you aren't dreaming but hallucinating a "waking" dream. Viewing things through the rose tinted glasses of indoctrination if you will. Makes less sense to me though because that would mean that the Shep Alive scene takes place on the citadel, which is illogical.

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As an off topic question what is the chance that the other DLCs that aren't weapon packs will add EMS.

I get this feeling that EC was planned all along with IT in mind but because the ending was so poorly received they had to push it to be first.

It may explain away why they said that you could get the best possible ending in single player alone they just wanted you to pay for some of it.

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balance5050 wrote...

iggy1eco wrote...



I read between the pages 700-800 maybe? Not sure, but very close, that someone said the Anti IT had something to do with the difference on where Shepard woke up. Now I can see it's more than that. =/ Not the reaction I was hoping for from that side. I'm surprised it went there.


I think you're thinking of that I.T. 2.0. Basically it says that you aren't dreaming but hallucinating a "waking" dream. Viewing things through the rose tinted glasses of indoctrination if you will. Makes less sense to me though because that would mean that the Shep Alive scene takes place on the citadel, which is illogical.


Ah! Thanks for clarifying. Then it's not Anti, it's another Pro version of it. Well, even depending on the ending yeah it seems illogical at first glance. We'll wait and hope for the best I guess to "logic" things up :) Summer is comming!

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balance5050 wrote...

iggy1eco wrote...



I read between the pages 700-800 maybe? Not sure, but very close, that someone said the Anti IT had something to do with the difference on where Shepard woke up. Now I can see it's more than that. =/ Not the reaction I was hoping for from that side. I'm surprised it went there.


I think you're thinking of that I.T. 2.0. Basically it says that you aren't dreaming but hallucinating a "waking" dream. Viewing things through the rose tinted glasses of indoctrination if you will. Makes less sense to me though because that would mean that the Shep Alive scene takes place on the citadel, which is illogical.


I think you can make it make sense up to a point, where you as Shepard are just flailing and hallucinating in front of the beam while your crewmates, Anderson, and Hammer, are like " WTF is he/she doing?" Then if you choose control, you grab downed power lines that feeds into the tower where the beam is or for destroy you shoot some explosive part of the tower or something like a Reaper arsonal with guns, missles, and grenades. That way, you still never really leave Earth. You're just tripping balls on Harbinger's shrooms.

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After reading about 150 pages and watching www.youtube.com/watch, I REALLY HOPE that IT ends up being real. If it is, than Bioware are genius trolls. It would validate the current scenes of the ending, and make EVERYTHING i noticed about that kid (like now NO ONE ELSE seemed to notice he was there) make sense.

If not IT, then it needs to be something that NO one else has ever thought of. I doubt bioware could pull that off.

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balance5050 wrote...

iggy1eco wrote...



I read between the pages 700-800 maybe? Not sure, but very close, that someone said the Anti IT had something to do with the difference on where Shepard woke up. Now I can see it's more than that. =/ Not the reaction I was hoping for from that side. I'm surprised it went there.


I think you're thinking of that I.T. 2.0. Basically it says that you aren't dreaming but hallucinating a "waking" dream. Viewing things through the rose tinted glasses of indoctrination if you will. Makes less sense to me though because that would mean that the Shep Alive scene takes place on the citadel, which is illogical.



Somebody posted pictures that show the starchild room having alot of similarities to the place before the beam where blue goes somewhere, green goes to the acutal citadel, and red goes to where harbinger was

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blooregard wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

iggy1eco wrote...



I read between the pages 700-800 maybe? Not sure, but very close, that someone said the Anti IT had something to do with the difference on where Shepard woke up. Now I can see it's more than that. =/ Not the reaction I was hoping for from that side. I'm surprised it went there.


I think you're thinking of that I.T. 2.0. Basically it says that you aren't dreaming but hallucinating a "waking" dream. Viewing things through the rose tinted glasses of indoctrination if you will. Makes less sense to me though because that would mean that the Shep Alive scene takes place on the citadel, which is illogical.



Somebody posted pictures that show the starchild room having alot of similarities to the place before the beam where blue goes somewhere, green goes to the acutal citadel, and red goes to where harbinger was


Wouldn't it be funny if in Red, you're shooting Harbinger in the face?

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blooregard wrote...

Was this brought up before that TIM said at the beginning of the game "I'm not looking for your approval" then goes on to try and convince Shepard that control is the best solution?

I'm sure it has but might as well point it out if it hasn't


I've brought it up before, and I'm sure others have too. It is a very good point. The game seems to go out of its way to show you that the way TIM acts at the end goes completely against his character. Heck, they dont even play his music!

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Wouldn't it be funny if in Red, you're shooting Harbinger in the face?


I was shooting Harbinger in the face my entire run to the beam. Didnt accomplish much. :unsure:

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HellishFiend wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...



Wouldn't it be funny if in Red, you're shooting Harbinger in the face?


I was shooting Harbinger in the face my entire run to the beam. Didnt accomplish much. :unsure:


I know but he's all Starbeiber on you and suddenly you rebel and shoot him in the face and the brief explosion when you shoot the red reaper pod is him shooting a beam at you as a reflex. That would be darkly humorous.

" YESSS. YES. DANCE PUPPET DAN- OW OW OW WHAT THE- THIS HURTS YOU."

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HellishFiend wrote...

blooregard wrote...

Was this brought up before that TIM said at the beginning of the game "I'm not looking for your approval" then goes on to try and convince Shepard that control is the best solution?

I'm sure it has but might as well point it out if it hasn't


I've brought it up before, and I'm sure others have too. It is a very good point. The game seems to go out of its way to show you that the way TIM acts at the end goes completely against his character. Heck, they dont even play his music!




Did they play his theme on Thessia? I've been so disappointed in the game I stop playing after Rannoch (where dispite what people say is the second greatest scene in the game after Tuchanka of course.)