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MegumiAzusa wrote...
Big Ben still gets fragged with low EMS.
gunslinger_ruiz wrote...
That's assuming the "pod" with Shepard in it made it to the Citadel, I also made mention/guessed the pod may just be at a Reaper facility near hte beam. The Breath scene almost defintiley takes place on Earth.
blooregard wrote...
HellishFiend wrote...
blooregard wrote...
Yeah I just watched the Thessia scene and they played the music.
That leave only the end scene the only TIM scene they don't play his theme song...weird
Definitely weird. I wouldnt say it stands on its own as one of the stronger pieces of evidence, but when you combine it with all the other strange things in that scene (even just about TIM himself), it all seems to add up to something.
TIM's change of heart and the kid running into the building before it was lasered are probably the two biggest pieces of evidence.
Other big pieces are the various Reaper growls heard during the pre-catalyst scene and everybody ignoring the starchild on Earth.
Thats about all I can think of as the major stuff/hard to explain away stuff.
BleedingUranium wrote...
Something I've said before, but hey, gotta pass time
Given how much the beam area looks like Star Kid's area, I think Shep's mind is trying to tell him going into the beam in reality would be a bad idea.
Why would the Reapers close the Citadel, which is virtually impossible to get into, but then connect a transport beam to it, and only defend it with a single Destroyer? And Harbinger gets there so late that at least Shepard survives, maybe more. Seems a lot like a trap to me
Modifié par Unschuld, 01 mai 2012 - 06:01 .
blooregard wrote...
HellishFiend wrote...
blooregard wrote...
Yeah I just watched the Thessia scene and they played the music.
That leave only the end scene the only TIM scene they don't play his theme song...weird
Definitely weird. I wouldnt say it stands on its own as one of the stronger pieces of evidence, but when you combine it with all the other strange things in that scene (even just about TIM himself), it all seems to add up to something.
TIM's change of heart and the kid running into the building before it was lasered are probably the two biggest pieces of evidence.
Other big pieces are the various Reaper growls heard during the pre-catalyst scene and everybody ignoring the starchild on Earth.
Thats about all I can think of as the major stuff/hard to explain away stuff.
HellishFiend wrote...
CARL_DF90 wrote...
HellishFiend wrote...
CARL_DF90 wrote...
Holy crap! I always loved the I.T. and all but NEVER did I imagine this thread to approach almost 2,000 pages! WHEW! Anyways, here is a little something that might get a few people laughing if they can catch the subtlety.
theory- 1) a plausible or scientifically acceptable general principle or body of principles offered to explain natural phenomena. 2) a working hypothesis that is considered probable based on experimental evidence or factual or conceptual analysis and is accepted as a basis for experimentation.
I remember seeing that when you posted it yesterday (or was it the day before?), but I dont get the joke. Can you enlighten?
Well, first the people who argue against the I.T. seem to forget the meaning of the word "theory" and start mindlessly hating on those who like and/or support it.
Second, which is in reference to the first, since the "theory" hasn't been proven or disproven yet it is a fun topic to discuss since there is enough evidence to both support it and to debunk it. Plus, since this is a sci-fi setting we're talking about the word "theory" fits very well.
As for the I.T. itself, even without Object Rho, Shep has been exposed to so many Reaper objects and indoctrinated enemies since ME1 that it makes for a compelling arguement. For what I mean by that reference ME2's codex on indoctrination.
I agree with you completely. However, it does little good to present the definition of the word theory to the people who write IT off out-of-hand, because by doing so, they demonstrate no willingness to entertain the idea in the first place.
gunslinger_ruiz wrote...
Alright, here's a big stretch and leap in logic but it's new to my brain so here we go.
Some people have said the Destroy options looks like one of the Reaper tubes from ME2 Collector base, and while it does look familiar what if this... tube is some kind of Reaper stasis pod? Something like what the Collectors used to store colonists but it's full on Reaper tech. Taking it a step further, what if this pod has Shepard's body in it? What if after being blasted by Harbinger you were snatched by some type of Husks and brought to some Reaper facility there on Earth near the beam, stuffed inside one of these pods to be processed or/and brought to the Citadel. if that's the case the Destroy option has you figuring out a way to blast your way out of this stasis pod, maybe you had the gun with you and shot it, or you resisted the Indoctrination on such a level that it overloaded all of the Reaper's tech, causing explosions and propelling you from this reaper "pod" and into a nearby pile of rubble in London.
This is the only way I can figure there being some unidentifiable reaper...plates? In Shepard's breath scene. The oval shaped objects near the undefined "vehicle" is what I refer to. Like I said, this is a huge leap in logic but have an image of the tube anyway.
*snip*
For anyone keeping score I'm on view 150-something of my Shepard's breath scene recording. And counting. Too bad I don't have some video editing software I could brighten it up even more.
Uh maybe the most obvious one as it gets shoved right in your face, but look in the background in the scene where they are cheering - or not. It's either a wasteland with raging fires or mostly just damaged.byne wrote...
MegumiAzusa wrote...
Big Ben still gets fragged with low EMS.
That just raises further questions!
Why does a control signal (which I assume isnt actually a shockwave or anything) destroy Big Ben?
Why do the soldiers not cheer just because Big Ben got destroyed?
"Oh we saved billions, if not trillions of lives, but what about our pretty clocktower?"
byne wrote...
MegumiAzusa wrote...
Big Ben still gets fragged with low EMS.
That just raises further questions!
Why does a control signal (which I assume isnt actually a shockwave or anything) destroy Big Ben?
Why do the soldiers not cheer just because Big Ben got destroyed?
"Oh we saved billions, if not trillions of lives, but what about our pretty clocktower?"
Modifié par balance5050, 01 mai 2012 - 06:05 .
BleedingUranium wrote...
Something I've said before, but hey, gotta pass time
Given how much the beam area looks like Star Kid's area, I think Shep's mind is trying to tell him going into the beam in reality would be a bad idea.
Why would the Reapers close the Citadel, which is virtually impossible to get into, but then connect a transport beam to it, and only defend it with a single Destroyer? And Harbinger gets there so late that at least Shepard survives, maybe more. Seems a lot like a trap to me
MegumiAzusa wrote...
Uh maybe the most obvious one as it gets shoved right in your face, but look in the background in the scene where they are cheering - or not. It's either a wasteland with raging fires or mostly just damaged.byne wrote...
MegumiAzusa wrote...
Big Ben still gets fragged with low EMS.
That just raises further questions!
Why does a control signal (which I assume isnt actually a shockwave or anything) destroy Big Ben?
Why do the soldiers not cheer just because Big Ben got destroyed?
"Oh we saved billions, if not trillions of lives, but what about our pretty clocktower?"
balance5050 wrote...
byne wrote...
MegumiAzusa wrote...
Big Ben still gets fragged with low EMS.
That just raises further questions!
Why does a control signal (which I assume isnt actually a shockwave or anything) destroy Big Ben?
Why do the soldiers not cheer just because Big Ben got destroyed?
"Oh we saved billions, if not trillions of lives, but what about our pretty clocktower?"
So I know that there are several different veariations of the destroy ending. How many variations of the control ending are there?
HellishFiend wrote...
blooregard wrote...
HellishFiend wrote...
blooregard wrote...
Yeah I just watched the Thessia scene and they played the music.
That leave only the end scene the only TIM scene they don't play his theme song...weird
Definitely weird. I wouldnt say it stands on its own as one of the stronger pieces of evidence, but when you combine it with all the other strange things in that scene (even just about TIM himself), it all seems to add up to something.
TIM's change of heart and the kid running into the building before it was lasered are probably the two biggest pieces of evidence.
Other big pieces are the various Reaper growls heard during the pre-catalyst scene and everybody ignoring the starchild on Earth.
Thats about all I can think of as the major stuff/hard to explain away stuff.
I would add the breath scene, the body piles outside the beam, the radio chatter outside the beam, and Shepard's constantly changing physical condition throughout the entire end sequence to that list. Maybe one or two other things too, but opinions vary on how strong each piece is, individually.
XXIceColdXX wrote...
http://www.masseffec...p;
Heres a link to a survey Jessica Merizan is taking interest in. Part of the survey involves the ending and the Indoctrination theory.
2balance5050 wrote...
byne wrote...
MegumiAzusa wrote...
Big Ben still gets fragged with low EMS.
That just raises further questions!
Why does a control signal (which I assume isnt actually a shockwave or anything) destroy Big Ben?
Why do the soldiers not cheer just because Big Ben got destroyed?
"Oh we saved billions, if not trillions of lives, but what about our pretty clocktower?"
So I know that there are several different veariations of the destroy ending. How many variations of the control ending are there?
balance5050 wrote...
byne wrote...
MegumiAzusa wrote...
Big Ben still gets fragged with low EMS.
That just raises further questions!
Why does a control signal (which I assume isnt actually a shockwave or anything) destroy Big Ben?
Why do the soldiers not cheer just because Big Ben got destroyed?
"Oh we saved billions, if not trillions of lives, but what about our pretty clocktower?"
So I know that there are several different veariations of the destroy ending. How many variations of the control ending are there?
Arian Dynas wrote...
gunslinger_ruiz wrote...
Alright, here's a big stretch and leap in logic but it's new to my brain so here we go.
Some people have said the Destroy options looks like one of the Reaper tubes from ME2 Collector base, and while it does look familiar what if this... tube is some kind of Reaper stasis pod? Something like what the Collectors used to store colonists but it's full on Reaper tech. Taking it a step further, what if this pod has Shepard's body in it? What if after being blasted by Harbinger you were snatched by some type of Husks and brought to some Reaper facility there on Earth near the beam, stuffed inside one of these pods to be processed or/and brought to the Citadel. if that's the case the Destroy option has you figuring out a way to blast your way out of this stasis pod, maybe you had the gun with you and shot it, or you resisted the Indoctrination on such a level that it overloaded all of the Reaper's tech, causing explosions and propelling you from this reaper "pod" and into a nearby pile of rubble in London.
This is the only way I can figure there being some unidentifiable reaper...plates? In Shepard's breath scene. The oval shaped objects near the undefined "vehicle" is what I refer to. Like I said, this is a huge leap in logic but have an image of the tube anyway.
*snip*
For anyone keeping score I'm on view 150-something of my Shepard's breath scene recording. And counting. Too bad I don't have some video editing software I could brighten it up even more.
What does that make Control and Synthesis then?
And for the record, the Reaper plates we see could just as easily be part of the Beam Receiver device you were charging toward not 10 minutes before.
gunslinger_ruiz wrote...
blooregard wrote...
HellishFiend wrote...
blooregard wrote...
Yeah I just watched the Thessia scene and they played the music.
That leave only the end scene the only TIM scene they don't play his theme song...weird
Definitely weird. I wouldnt say it stands on its own as one of the stronger pieces of evidence, but when you combine it with all the other strange things in that scene (even just about TIM himself), it all seems to add up to something.
TIM's change of heart and the kid running into the building before it was lasered are probably the two biggest pieces of evidence.
Other big pieces are the various Reaper growls heard during the pre-catalyst scene and everybody ignoring the starchild on Earth.
Thats about all I can think of as the major stuff/hard to explain away stuff.
I...think the Shepard's breath scene and how to get are the two biggest pieces of evidence but, yes those two are for sure pieces of the puzzle.
byne wrote...
Here is a video of allsixteensix-ish endings side by side.
Bioware said there were 16 endings.
They currently owe me 10 more.
In direct comparison the "good" endings are a lot better then the "bad" endings:byne wrote...
MegumiAzusa wrote...
Uh maybe the most obvious one as it gets shoved right in your face, but look in the background in the scene where they are cheering - or not. It's either a wasteland with raging fires or mostly just damaged.byne wrote...
MegumiAzusa wrote...
Big Ben still gets fragged with low EMS.
That just raises further questions!
Why does a control signal (which I assume isnt actually a shockwave or anything) destroy Big Ben?
Why do the soldiers not cheer just because Big Ben got destroyed?
"Oh we saved billions, if not trillions of lives, but what about our pretty clocktower?"
London was already basically a smoking run though. Why should it matter whether its on fire or not?
And again, how does the control signal physically affect buildings?
blooregard wrote...
gunslinger_ruiz wrote...
blooregard wrote...
HellishFiend wrote...
blooregard wrote...
Yeah I just watched the Thessia scene and they played the music.
That leave only the end scene the only TIM scene they don't play his theme song...weird
Definitely weird. I wouldnt say it stands on its own as one of the stronger pieces of evidence, but when you combine it with all the other strange things in that scene (even just about TIM himself), it all seems to add up to something.
TIM's change of heart and the kid running into the building before it was lasered are probably the two biggest pieces of evidence.
Other big pieces are the various Reaper growls heard during the pre-catalyst scene and everybody ignoring the starchild on Earth.
Thats about all I can think of as the major stuff/hard to explain away stuff.
I...think the Shepard's breath scene and how to get are the two biggest pieces of evidence but, yes those two are for sure pieces of the puzzle.
I don't really count the shepard breath scene because its so obvious its like forgetting to make your heart beat.
Modifié par BatmanTurian, 01 mai 2012 - 06:15 .
HellishFiend wrote...
Just two. IGN has a pretty good breakdown here:
http://www.ign.com/w...ffect-3/Endings
BatmanTurian wrote...
BleedingUranium wrote...
Something I've said before, but hey, gotta pass time
Given how much the beam area looks like Star Kid's area, I think Shep's mind is trying to tell him going into the beam in reality would be a bad idea.
Why would the Reapers close the Citadel, which is virtually impossible to get into, but then connect a transport beam to it, and only defend it with a single Destroyer? And Harbinger gets there so late that at least Shepard survives, maybe more. Seems a lot like a trap to me
Yep, that's what an intelligent and logical person would deduce.
At this point, I'm pretty sure Sherlock Holmes himself would be an Indoctrinist.
"when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth"
We're at 7, you missed Shep alive.byne wrote...
balance5050 wrote...
byne wrote...
MegumiAzusa wrote...
Big Ben still gets fragged with low EMS.
That just raises further questions!
Why does a control signal (which I assume isnt actually a shockwave or anything) destroy Big Ben?
Why do the soldiers not cheer just because Big Ben got destroyed?
"Oh we saved billions, if not trillions of lives, but what about our pretty clocktower?"
So I know that there are several different veariations of the destroy ending. How many variations of the control ending are there?
Just the two.
Here is a video of allsixteensix-ish endings side by side.
Bioware said there were 16 endings.
They currently owe me 10 more.
BleedingUranium wrote...
BatmanTurian wrote...
BleedingUranium wrote...
Something I've said before, but hey, gotta pass time
Given how much the beam area looks like Star Kid's area, I think Shep's mind is trying to tell him going into the beam in reality would be a bad idea.
Why would the Reapers close the Citadel, which is virtually impossible to get into, but then connect a transport beam to it, and only defend it with a single Destroyer? And Harbinger gets there so late that at least Shepard survives, maybe more. Seems a lot like a trap to me
Yep, that's what an intelligent and logical person would deduce.
At this point, I'm pretty sure Sherlock Holmes himself would be an Indoctrinist.
"when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth"
That quote is perfect!
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