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[balance5050]

BleedingUranium wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Something I've said before, but hey, gotta pass time

Given how much the beam area looks like Star Kid's area, I think Shep's mind is trying to tell him going into the beam in reality would be a bad idea.

Why would the Reapers close the Citadel, which is virtually impossible to get into, but then connect a transport beam to it, and only defend it with a single Destroyer? And Harbinger gets there so late that at least Shepard survives, maybe more. Seems a lot like a trap to me

Yep, that's what an intelligent and logical person would deduce.

At this point, I'm pretty sure Sherlock Holmes himself would be an Indoctrinist.

"when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth"

That quote is perfect!

Holy crap yeah it is, that's some sig worthy stuff right there!

[byne]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

byne wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

byne wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Big Ben still gets fragged with low EMS.

That just raises further questions!

Why does a control signal (which I assume isnt actually a shockwave or anything) destroy Big Ben?

Why do the soldiers not cheer just because Big Ben got destroyed?

"Oh we saved billions, if not trillions of lives, but what about our pretty clocktower?"

So I know that there are several different veariations of the destroy ending. How many variations of the control ending are there?

Just the two.

Here is a video of all sixteen six-ish endings side by side.

Bioware said there were 16 endings.

They currently owe me 10 more.

We're at 7, you missed Shep alive.

Either way the amount of endings owed is greater than the amount of endings provided.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Addition: @Arian: I will watch the video and  those plates a thousand times and still not be able to place them as being in the game before. The closest similar objects I've been able to pick out are the vertical, slightly curving, plate structures that surround the inside of the beam as seen in the photo below (green circle).



The only other place I've seen something similar is during the Rachni Queen mission, pieces of the barrier/door lock that you had to shoot to unlock things. I don't have an image to double check so I'm using my imagination.... not accruate.

They could be part of the bottom of the Beam I suppose, we just need to find a shot of it somewhere. Even if we figure out what they are there's still those 2 objects behind Shepard's body to figure out.

[BatmanTurian]

balance5050 wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Something I've said before, but hey, gotta pass time

Given how much the beam area looks like Star Kid's area, I think Shep's mind is trying to tell him going into the beam in reality would be a bad idea.

Why would the Reapers close the Citadel, which is virtually impossible to get into, but then connect a transport beam to it, and only defend it with a single Destroyer? And Harbinger gets there so late that at least Shepard survives, maybe more. Seems a lot like a trap to me

Yep, that's what an intelligent and logical person would deduce.

At this point, I'm pretty sure Sherlock Holmes himself would be an Indoctrinist.

"when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth"

That quote is perfect!

Holy crap yeah it is, that's some sig worthy stuff right there!

oh and look, I have the perfect video to go with it!

I don't do sigs, but you guys have a go at it if you want.

[liggy002]

HellishFiend wrote...

blooregard wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

blooregard wrote...

Yeah I just watched the Thessia scene and they played the music.

That leave only the end scene the only TIM scene they don't play his theme song...weird

Definitely weird. I wouldnt say it stands on its own as one of the stronger pieces of evidence, but when you combine it with all the other strange things in that scene (even just about TIM himself), it all seems to add up to something. 

TIM's change of heart and the kid running into the building before it was lasered are probably the two biggest pieces of evidence.

Other big pieces are the various Reaper growls heard during the pre-catalyst scene and everybody ignoring the starchild on Earth.

Thats about all I can think of as the major stuff/hard to explain away stuff.

I would add the breath scene, the body piles outside the beam, the radio chatter outside the beam, and Shepard's constantly changing physical condition throughout the entire end sequence to that list. Maybe one or two other things too, but opinions vary on how strong each piece is, individually. 

Don't forget about Shepard's eyes when he chooses Control or Synthesis.  They aren't his cybernetic implant eyes, those have a different orientation of circles around the iris.

Whenever you've eliminated the impossible, whatever remains no matter how improbable must be the truth.

Fact 1:  Shepard's cybernetic eyes are NOT the same as his indoctrinated ones.
Fact 2: It was shown that Shepard had indoctrinated eyes when he chose control or synthesis.


Therefore,

Bioware intended Indoctrination and Shepard was Indoctrinated.

Modifié par liggy002, 01 mai 2012 - 06:40 .

[iggy1eco]

XXIceColdXX wrote...

http://www.masseffec...p;  

Heres a link to a survey Jessica Merizan is taking interest in. Part of the survey involves the ending and the Indoctrination theory.

I liked how it covered good parts of the game and I think it made the right questions. Thanks for sharing. Submited.

[Arian Dynas]

It seems I am older in treachery than I thought.

I think I have found what may have been my first post here on the IDT thread...

on page 299.

Damn I feel like an old man.

Arian Dynas wrote...

Jesus H Christ...

It just occurred to me.

What if this theory is absolutely correct...

And Bioware, not wanting to risk another leak of their ending has chosen instead to make it to where the ending is not part of the original game... until a patch comes in when it is available in every region?

Think about it, they radically changed the game from the leaked scripts, why didn't they change things when THE ENDING VIDEOS themselves were leaked? Why did they give a statement saying "yup, those are pretty much it."

Otherwise, why the silence, if they aren't planning something? Why the fact that they have barely let out any info, beyond cryptic hints of "Just wait and see, can't comment yet."

It might be wishful thinking, but right now, I believe that Bioware has the entire ending all set up and ready... to be released in a patch when the game itself has reached maximum saturation.

It's like a magic show, the magician seems competent up until the end, when suddenly he starts failing, badly, and then, at the last moment, to the entire audience's suprise, he pulls off his biggest trick yet, to roaring applause.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Off topic:

I have a brother who has only just gotten around to playing ME3. He just passed Tuchanka and is loving the game, he cannot see how the ending can be so bad as everyone says when the rest of the game is so briliant.

I cant wait to see his reaction when he actually hits the ending.

Though I couldnt imagine how the ending could be so bad when the rest of the game was so briliant myself when I played it, I though there had to be some kind of mistake...I was wrong...

[The Savage Nymph]

Arian Dynas wrote...

It seems I am older in treachery than I thought.

I think I have found what may have been my first post here on the IDT thread...

on page 299.

Damn I feel like an old man.

Arian Dynas wrote...

Jesus H Christ...

It just occurred to me.

What if this theory is absolutely correct...

And Bioware, not wanting to risk another leak of their ending has chosen instead to make it to where the ending is not part of the original game... until a patch comes in when it is available in every region?

Think about it, they radically changed the game from the leaked scripts, why didn't they change things when THE ENDING VIDEOS themselves were leaked? Why did they give a statement saying "yup, those are pretty much it."

Otherwise, why the silence, if they aren't planning something? Why the fact that they have barely let out any info, beyond cryptic hints of "Just wait and see, can't comment yet."

It might be wishful thinking, but right now, I believe that Bioware has the entire ending all set up and ready... to be released in a patch when the game itself has reached maximum saturation.

It's like a magic show, the magician seems competent up until the end, when suddenly he starts failing, badly, and then, at the last moment, to the entire audience's suprise, he pulls off his biggest trick yet, to roaring applause.

Wait. That was back on 299? I remember that post, though.

Anyway, did you ever reach a consensus on the lightning arc sounds vs battle sounds? It seemed like it was simply dropped after a point.

[Arian Dynas]

[quote]gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

[quote]HellishFiend wrote...

[quote]blooregard wrote...

[quote]HellishFiend wrote...

[quote]blooregard wrote...

Yeah I just watched the Thessia scene and they played the music.

That leave only the end scene the only TIM scene they don't play his theme song...weird

[/quote]

Definitely weird. I wouldnt say it stands on its own as one of the stronger pieces of evidence, but when you combine it with all the other strange things in that scene (even just about TIM himself), it all seems to add up to something. 

[/quote]


TIM's change of heart and the kid running into the building before it was lasered are probably the two biggest pieces of evidence.

Other big pieces are the various Reaper growls heard during the pre-catalyst scene and everybody ignoring the starchild on Earth.

Thats about all I can think of as the major stuff/hard to explain away stuff.


[/quote]

I would add the breath scene, the body piles outside the beam, the radio chatter outside the beam, and Shepard's constantly changing physical condition throughout the entire end sequence to that list. Maybe one or two other things too, but opinions vary on how strong each piece is, individually. 

[/quote]

If you want a big list posted I think Arian Dynas is working on one, or maybe already posted it and I missed it. I've got one with a total of about 20 pieces or so but not very well put together.

[/quote]

Workin  on it, haven't had time. 

Also, updated memorial list, with a few pieces of old evidence that got long buried and figured I would dig out, check out the links.


[quote]Arian Dynas wrote...

[quote]Arian Dynas wrote...

byne - Indoctrinationist 
lex0r11 - Indoctrinationist 
GBGriffin - Literalist Apologist
Ilbountyhunter - Indoctrinationist
estebanus - Indoctrinationist 
Earthborn_Shepard - Indoctrinationist
ExtendedCut - Indoctrinationist
Golferguy758 - Indoctrinationist
Simon_Says - Indoctrinationist
HellishFiend - Indoctrinationist
spotlessvoid - Indoctrinationist
Tirian Thorn - Indoctrinationist
Emperor_Ike - Indoctrinationist
Sero303 - Indoctrinationist
IronSabbath88 - Indoctrinationist
BatmanTurian - Indoctrinationist
Uncle Jo - Indoctrinationist Cynic
Rastlin Majare 1992 - Indoctrinationist
Dwailing - Indoctrinationist
MaximizedAction - Indoctrinationist
Balance5050 - Indoctrinationist
JadeBaby88 - Indoctrinationist
DJBare - Indoctrinationist Cynic
gunslinger_ruiz - Indoctrinationist
n00bsauce2012 - Indoctrinationist
Unschuld - Indoctrinationist
Big G13 - Indoctrinationist
Hawk227 - Indoctrinationist
N7L4D - Indoctrinationist
protognosis - Indoctrinationist
Domanese - Indoctrinationist
schneeland - Indoctrinationist
Bleeding Uranium - Indoctrinationist
Rifneno - Indoctrinationist
Nauks - Indoctrinationist Cynic
Rosewind - Indoctrinationist
Asharad Hett - Indoctrinationist
Megumi Azusa - Indoctrinationist Cynic
NotAnotherDisplayName - Indoctrinationist Cynic
EpyonX3 - Indoctrinationist Cynic
Sammuthegreat - Indoctrinationist 
Vahilor - Indoctrinationist Cynic
Lokanaiya - Indoctrinationist
marcelo_sdk - Nonpartisan
kyg_20X6 - Literalist
Arbalor4 - Indoctrinationist
bigstig - Indoctrinationist
DangerSandler - Indoctrinationist
Big Bad - Indoctrinationist
Auralius Carolus - Indoctrinationist
TheConstantOne - Indoctrinationist
Gormane01 - Indoctrinationist
liggy002 - Indoctrinationist
Beast919 - Indoctrinationist
blooregard - Indoctrinationist
ArtGerhardt - Indoctrinationist
iggy1eco - Indoctrinationist
pirate1802 - Indoctrinationist
NeoDobby - Indoctrinationist
SubAstris - Literalist (get over it you hippie)
Arashi08 - Indoctrinationist
Dude_in_the_Room - Indoctrinationist
IsaacShep - Literalist
McWhitey3 - Indoctrinationist
Icinix - Indoctrinationist
mrfinke - Indoctrinationist
Phydeaux314 - Nonpartisan
MrRiadon - Indoctrinationist
Teddie Sage - Indoctrinationist
Eumerin - Indoctrinationist Cynic
AxisEvolve - Indoctrinationist
galaxy366 - Indoctrinationist
Dranume - Indoctrinationist
Holoe4 - Indoctrinationist
ZIPO396  - Indoctrinationist
Sweawm - Literalist
Ranicus56 - Nonpartisan
The Savage Nympth - Indoctrinationist
Giskler - Indoctrinationist
Jenaimarre - Indoctrinationist
Makrys - Indoctrinationist
Revan67 - Nonpartisan
Sajuro - Nonpartisan
Saintthanksgiving - Indoctrinationist
Luigitornado - Virtualist
Sereaph502 - Indoctrinationist
Nerana - Indoctrinationist
Xellith - Indoctrinationist
Wattoes - Nonpartisan
rma2110 - Indoctrinationist
suusuuu - Indoctrinationist
Kitten Tactics - Nonpartisan
realguile - Nonpartisan
Flapperrr - Nonpartisan
valk72 - Indoctrinationist
XXIceColdXX - Indoctrinationist
Foulpancake - Nonpartisan
RPGmom28 - Indoctrinationist
Doomhams - Indoctrinationist
raeting - Literalist
Slappy Ya Face - Indoctrinationist
KingNothin125 - Indoctrinationist
Serp86 - Indoctrinationist
AgentB406 - Indoctrinationist
Kirkknight - Indoctrinationist
slyko227 - Indoctrinationist
Nobrandminda - Nonpartisan
AlCord - Nonpartisan
Aligalipe - Indoctrinationist
Gam3Ov3r - Indoctrinationist
ragewin - Indoctrinationist
movieguyabw - Literalist
Davnort - Indoctrinationist
Militarized - Literalist
FugitiveMind - Nonpartisan
Dr.Detective - Literalist
ibage - Literalist
killakidmb - Indoctrinationist
M U P P 3 T Z - Indoctrinationist
Asuka Bianchi - Indoctrinationist
Lord Nikon 001 - Indoctrinationist
SoulfulMiles - Indoctrinationist
Greed1914 - Indoctrinationist
Unender - Indoctrinationist
The Chosen Predator - Indoctrinationist
X-Frame - Indoctrinationist
kalamity116 - Nonpartisan
littleork - Indoctrinationist
XenoAlbedo - Indoctrinationist
John Locke N7 - Indoctrinationist
idunhaveaname - Nonpartisan
Adugan - Literalist
Ice Cold J - Literalist
krystalevenstar - Indoctrinationist
Odd Bet - Indoctrinationist
k8ee - Indoctrinationist
Stephanid98 - Indoctrinationist
CBGB - Indoctrinationist
RedDeadRemix - Indoctrinationist
Manou1 - Indoctrinationist
iSpitfireee - Indoctrinationist
MPSai - Nonpartisan
Madcat124 - Nonpartisan
Pasicrates - Indoctrinationist
Ariaya - Indoctrinationist
thavleifrim - Indoctrinationist
MrChowderClam - Nonpartisan
TheProfessor234 - Indoctrinationist
Doronamo - Nonpartisan
hector7rau - Nonpartisan
magnetite - Indoctrinationist
yummysoap - Literalist
Iavosslayer - Indoctrinationist
Arlind Webb - Indoctrinationist
Sovereign z - Indoctrinationist
Ebannaw1 - Indoctrinationist
xGhost4000x - Indoctrinationist
hatori1181 - Indoctrinationist
seli - Nonpartisan
overburning - Nonpartisan
Ifeus - Indoctrinationist
CARL_DF90 - Indoctrinationist
kj0600 - Indoctrinationist
GoblinSapper - Indoctrinationist
TryckSh0t - Indoctrinationist
xDarkspace - Indoctrinationist
VictorianTrash - Indoctrinationist Cynic
Auresta - Indoctrinationist
rolson00 - Indoctrinationist
Trisskit - Indoctrinationist
aderynbrea - Indoctrinationist
fr33stylez - Literalist
mynameisdanza - Indoctrinationist
SandTrout - Nonpartisan
Loliliana - Nonpartisan
Aethgeir - Literalist 
humes spork - Indoctrinationist
Merc3ast - Indoctrinationist
Bullseye_Sally - Indoctrinationist
Ellythe - Indoctrinationist
Direwolf1618 - Indoctrinationist
MrAtomica - Nonpartisan
FoxShadowblade - Indoctrinationist
jake21221 - Indoctrinationist
realpokerjedi - Indoctrinationist
SomeBug - Literalist
Tiberius Gracchus - Indoctrinationist
erikage - Nonpartisan
DifferentD17 - Nonpartisan
nitefyre420 - Literalist
Razx - Nonpartisan
xsdob - Literalist
Lady Vakarian - Indoctrinationist
Lurchibald - Nonpartisan
Thormfrim - Indoctrinationist
CajunRexShepard - Indoctrinationist 
Sundance31us - Indoctrinationist
Evindell - Indoctrinationist
Humanoid_Typhon - Literalist

And, in addition, heroes we've forgotten; Beast919, First compiler of evidence, Eumerin, first Cynic to present a solid argument, Dranume, first to add evidence to the argument, humes spork, first to sugguest the Shepard Alive scene contained concrete. k8ee, M U P P 3 T Z, Odd Bet, littleork, Beast919, the first regulars, now gone. Ariaya, creator of the "Destruction hallucinations are reapers trying to make Shepard despair" theory. Magnetite, who noticed the echo to be found in  the voices, as well as the whispers in the ambient music. Kyrstalevenstar, whom first dissected the Star Child's logic. suusuuu, the first person to claim tl;dr on the thread... on page 11. Thormgrim, first man to point out that Shepard could not survive the Citadel explosion.  Ellythe, first person to defend Casey Hudson.

Pages 1-12, 1900-1919

I briefly considered having a seperate list for trolls, but in the end, so long as they aren't blatantly flaming and just either dumb or capable of putting up SOME kind of argument, then I'll leave 'em on. I know, my magnanimity knows no bounds.

Also, finding some old evidence, perhaps we should dig through our own past, a bit archaeology next time we're bored., like these little gems;

http://social.biowar...7423/12#9742113 
http://social.biowar...27423/9#9737069 
http://social.biowar...27423/9#9736659 
http://social.biowar...27423/9#9736802 

[/quote]

Also, some words of wisdom from our good Mr. Woo;

http://social.biowar...7423/12#9742107 

Modifié par Arian Dynas, 01 mai 2012 - 09:03 .

[BleedingUranium]

iggy1eco wrote...

XXIceColdXX wrote...

http://www.masseffec...p;  

Heres a link to a survey Jessica Merizan is taking interest in. Part of the survey involves the ending and the Indoctrination theory.

I liked how it covered good parts of the game and I think it made the right questions. Thanks for sharing. Submited.

Submitted as well

[Rosewind]

What is the list for?

[DangerSandler]

I think the fact that the entrance to the Citadel beam (Conduit) and the place of the Citadel and Crucible connect (ending decision) look identical is very convincing.

[SubAstris]

Why would the Reapers close the Citadel, which is virtually impossible to get into, but then connect a transport beam to it, and only defend it with a single Destroyer? And Harbinger gets there so late that at least Shepard survives, maybe more. Seems a lot like a trap to me

Wasn't that the whole point of the mission, go to a beam to get the Citadel? Or is that a figment of your imagination due to indoctrination? Is the whole Earth mission fiction then?

[BleedingUranium]

SubAstris wrote...

Why would the Reapers close the Citadel, which is virtually impossible to get into, but then connect a transport beam to it, and only defend it with a single Destroyer? And Harbinger gets there so late that at least Shepard survives, maybe more. Seems a lot like a trap to me

Wasn't that the whole point of the mission, go to a beam to get the Citadel? Or is that a figment of your imagination due to indoctrination? Is the whole Earth mission fiction then?

Except we know less about the beam than we do about the Crucible, which isn't much.

My point was basically either the Reapers are really dumb or it's a trap.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

BleedingUranium wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Why would the Reapers close the Citadel, which is virtually impossible to get into, but then connect a transport beam to it, and only defend it with a single Destroyer? And Harbinger gets there so late that at least Shepard survives, maybe more. Seems a lot like a trap to me

Wasn't that the whole point of the mission, go to a beam to get the Citadel? Or is that a figment of your imagination due to indoctrination? Is the whole Earth mission fiction then?

Except we know less about the beam than we do about the Crucible, which isn't much.

My point was basically either the Reapers are really dumb or it's a trap.

Well I had this theory that C-Sec might have managed to close the Citadel when the Reapers hit it and the beam on Earth is for briniging groundforces onto the Citadel to take it back. Would also explain why the Relay network has not been shut down.

But shortly after the Kai-Leng scene you get a short video of the Citadel in Orbit over Earth and the tip of it closing so...impossible, sadly.

[Arian Dynas]

Rosewind wrote...

What is the list for?

We're building a memorial wall for everyone whom has contributed to this thread.

Yes you're on there.

[xsdob]

I just have one question for you guys. Harbinger just crushed earths rebellion forces, the fleets above are being torn apart, and hammer just lost it's main assault force, why not kill shepard now?

He has no use anymore, just make him die, make his heart stop if the indoctrination process is so deeply rooted into him that he can control his sensory input to this level. Make him think he died firing the crucible and leave him as a comatose vegetable in the rubble, problem solved.

[Arian Dynas]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Why would the Reapers close the Citadel, which is virtually impossible to get into, but then connect a transport beam to it, and only defend it with a single Destroyer? And Harbinger gets there so late that at least Shepard survives, maybe more. Seems a lot like a trap to me

Wasn't that the whole point of the mission, go to a beam to get the Citadel? Or is that a figment of your imagination due to indoctrination? Is the whole Earth mission fiction then?

Except we know less about the beam than we do about the Crucible, which isn't much.

My point was basically either the Reapers are really dumb or it's a trap.

Well I had this theory that C-Sec might have managed to close the Citadel when the Reapers hit it and the beam on Earth is for briniging groundforces onto the Citadel to take it back. Would also explain why the Relay network has not been shut down.

But shortly after the Kai-Leng scene you get a short video of the Citadel in Orbit over Earth and the tip of it closing so...impossible, sadly.

Doesn't mean C-Sec has been wiped out, or that there's no resistance.

But yeah, right now we don't have a ****ing clue what that damn beam is or what it's for. They could be trying to drill to the center of the Earth for all we know.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

BleedingUranium wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Why would the Reapers close the Citadel, which is virtually impossible to get into, but then connect a transport beam to it, and only defend it with a single Destroyer? And Harbinger gets there so late that at least Shepard survives, maybe more. Seems a lot like a trap to me

Wasn't that the whole point of the mission, go to a beam to get the Citadel? Or is that a figment of your imagination due to indoctrination? Is the whole Earth mission fiction then?

Except we know less about the beam than we do about the Crucible, which isn't much.

My point was basically either the Reapers are really dumb or it's a trap.

I assumed it was because the Citadel, while also being a trap for each cycle, doubles as a kind of Reaper processing plant where they do their Reaper thing with organics; melting them down, fusing them with their tech and out pops a Reaper baby. While the Citadel is impregnable, they still need a way to get organics in, so they put this gravity well in to transport bodies. They close the Citadel so the annoying organics still resisting don't damage their babies, possibly, and know they'll try to do something with the Citadel anyway. Why only have 1 Destroyer guard it? They may have been overconfident in their invulnerability, or they simply didn't care if a handful of organics made it onboard feeling any of their attempts to stop the cycle are futile.

[BleedingUranium]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Why would the Reapers close the Citadel, which is virtually impossible to get into, but then connect a transport beam to it, and only defend it with a single Destroyer? And Harbinger gets there so late that at least Shepard survives, maybe more. Seems a lot like a trap to me

Wasn't that the whole point of the mission, go to a beam to get the Citadel? Or is that a figment of your imagination due to indoctrination? Is the whole Earth mission fiction then?

Except we know less about the beam than we do about the Crucible, which isn't much.

My point was basically either the Reapers are really dumb or it's a trap.

I assumed it was because the Citadel, while also being a trap for each cycle, doubles as a kind of Reaper processing plant where they do their Reaper thing with organics; melting them down, fusing them with their tech and out pops a Reaper baby. While the Citadel is impregnable, they still need a way to get organics in, so they put this gravity well in to transport bodies. They close the Citadel so the annoying organics still resisting don't damage their babies, possibly, and know they'll try to do something with the Citadel anyway. Why only have 1 Destroyer guard it? They may have been overconfident in their invulnerability, or they simply didn't care if a handful of organics made it onboard feeling any of their attempts to stop the cycle are futile.

While I agree with your ideas, bottom line is we don't know ANYTHING about what's going on inside the Citadel.

[spotlessvoid]

SubAstris wrote...

Why would the Reapers close the Citadel, which is virtually impossible to get into, but then connect a transport beam to it, and only defend it with a single Destroyer? And Harbinger gets there so late that at least Shepard survives, maybe more. Seems a lot like a trap to me

Wasn't that the whole point of the mission, go to a beam to get the Citadel? Or is that a figment of your imagination due to indoctrination? Is the whole Earth mission fiction then?

How does one preclude the other?

[HellishFiend]

liggy002 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

I would add the breath scene, the body piles outside the beam, the radio chatter outside the beam, and Shepard's constantly changing physical condition throughout the entire end sequence to that list. Maybe one or two other things too, but opinions vary on how strong each piece is, individually. 

Don't forget about Shepard's eyes when he chooses Control or Synthesis.  They aren't his cybernetic implant eyes, those have a different orientation of circles around the iris.

Whenever you've eliminated the impossible, whatever remains no matter how improbable must be the truth.

Fact 1:  Shepard's cybernetic eyes are NOT the same as his indoctrinated ones.
Fact 2: It was shown that Shepard had indoctrinated eyes when he chose control or synthesis.


Therefore,

Bioware intended Indoctrination and Shepard was Indoctrinated.

Yeah, the eyes one is good. I forgot about that one for a moment. Not unequivocable proof necessarily, but definitely strong evidence. 

Modifié par HellishFiend, 01 mai 2012 - 07:21 .

[xsdob]

spotlessvoid wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Why would the Reapers close the Citadel, which is virtually impossible to get into, but then connect a transport beam to it, and only defend it with a single Destroyer? And Harbinger gets there so late that at least Shepard survives, maybe more. Seems a lot like a trap to me

Wasn't that the whole point of the mission, go to a beam to get the Citadel? Or is that a figment of your imagination due to indoctrination? Is the whole Earth mission fiction then?

How does one preclude the other?

Your still in the rubble of alliance command in canada. Anderson's calling your name and your choice will dictate whether object rho has succesfully indoctrinated you or not.

Modifié par xsdob, 01 mai 2012 - 07:20 .

[spotlessvoid]

Arian Dynas wrote...

It seems I am older in treachery than I thought.

I think I have found what may have been my first post here on the IDT thread...

on page 299.

Damn I feel like an old man.

Arian Dynas wrote...

Jesus H Christ...

It just occurred to me.

What if this theory is absolutely correct...

And Bioware, not wanting to risk another leak of their ending has chosen instead to make it to where the ending is not part of the original game... until a patch comes in when it is available in every region?

Think about it, they radically changed the game from the leaked scripts, why didn't they change things when THE ENDING VIDEOS themselves were leaked? Why did they give a statement saying "yup, those are pretty much it."

Otherwise, why the silence, if they aren't planning something? Why the fact that they have barely let out any info, beyond cryptic hints of "Just wait and see, can't comment yet."

It might be wishful thinking, but right now, I believe that Bioware has the entire ending all set up and ready... to be released in a patch when the game itself has reached maximum saturation.

It's like a magic show, the magician seems competent up until the end, when suddenly he starts failing, badly, and then, at the last moment, to the entire audience's suprise, he pulls off his biggest trick yet, to roaring applause.

It certainly makes sense. A lot more sense than that far fetched conspiracy theory that Bioware is stupid