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[gunslinger_ruiz]

BleedingUranium wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Why would the Reapers close the Citadel, which is virtually impossible to get into, but then connect a transport beam to it, and only defend it with a single Destroyer? And Harbinger gets there so late that at least Shepard survives, maybe more. Seems a lot like a trap to me

Wasn't that the whole point of the mission, go to a beam to get the Citadel? Or is that a figment of your imagination due to indoctrination? Is the whole Earth mission fiction then?

Except we know less about the beam than we do about the Crucible, which isn't much.

My point was basically either the Reapers are really dumb or it's a trap.

I assumed it was because the Citadel, while also being a trap for each cycle, doubles as a kind of Reaper processing plant where they do their Reaper thing with organics; melting them down, fusing them with their tech and out pops a Reaper baby. While the Citadel is impregnable, they still need a way to get organics in, so they put this gravity well in to transport bodies. They close the Citadel so the annoying organics still resisting don't damage their babies, possibly, and know they'll try to do something with the Citadel anyway. Why only have 1 Destroyer guard it? They may have been overconfident in their invulnerability, or they simply didn't care if a handful of organics made it onboard feeling any of their attempts to stop the cycle are futile.

While I agree with your ideas, bottom line is we don't know ANYTHING about what's going on inside the Citadel.

I assume I don't know anything about Anything at this point, but logical guesses are gettin' good I think .

[spotlessvoid]

xsdob wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Why would the Reapers close the Citadel, which is virtually impossible to get into, but then connect a transport beam to it, and only defend it with a single Destroyer? And Harbinger gets there so late that at least Shepard survives, maybe more. Seems a lot like a trap to me

Wasn't that the whole point of the mission, go to a beam to get the Citadel? Or is that a figment of your imagination due to indoctrination? Is the whole Earth mission fiction then?

How does one preclude the other?

Your still in the rubble of alliance command in canada. Anderson's calling your name and your choice will dictate whether object rho has succesfully indoctrinated you or not.

Are you saying IDT is real?

[Rosewind]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

What is the list for?

We're building a memorial wall for everyone whom has contributed to this thread.

Yes you're on there.

I am! YAY!!

[BleedingUranium]

xsdob wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Why would the Reapers close the Citadel, which is virtually impossible to get into, but then connect a transport beam to it, and only defend it with a single Destroyer? And Harbinger gets there so late that at least Shepard survives, maybe more. Seems a lot like a trap to me

Wasn't that the whole point of the mission, go to a beam to get the Citadel? Or is that a figment of your imagination due to indoctrination? Is the whole Earth mission fiction then?

How does one preclude the other?

Your still in the rubble of alliance command in canada. Anderson's calling your name and your choice will dictate whether object rho has succesfully indoctrinated you or not.

I think you mean the UK, you were in Canada in the first mission. Well, North America's one country in ME, but oh well...

[Arian Dynas]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

It seems I am older in treachery than I thought.

I think I have found what may have been my first post here on the IDT thread...

on page 299.

Damn I feel like an old man.

Arian Dynas wrote...

Jesus H Christ...

It just occurred to me.

What if this theory is absolutely correct...

And Bioware, not wanting to risk another leak of their ending has chosen instead to make it to where the ending is not part of the original game... until a patch comes in when it is available in every region?

Think about it, they radically changed the game from the leaked scripts, why didn't they change things when THE ENDING VIDEOS themselves were leaked? Why did they give a statement saying "yup, those are pretty much it."

Otherwise, why the silence, if they aren't planning something? Why the fact that they have barely let out any info, beyond cryptic hints of "Just wait and see, can't comment yet."

It might be wishful thinking, but right now, I believe that Bioware has the entire ending all set up and ready... to be released in a patch when the game itself has reached maximum saturation.

It's like a magic show, the magician seems competent up until the end, when suddenly he starts failing, badly, and then, at the last moment, to the entire audience's suprise, he pulls off his biggest trick yet, to roaring applause.

It certainly makes sense. A lot more sense than that far fetched conspiracy theory that Bioware is stupid

Lol, this is one of my FAAAAAAR older theories, I've got a better one sitting around here somewhere, when I'm done with this take home test I'll find it for you.

[xsdob]

BleedingUranium wrote...

xsdob wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Why would the Reapers close the Citadel, which is virtually impossible to get into, but then connect a transport beam to it, and only defend it with a single Destroyer? And Harbinger gets there so late that at least Shepard survives, maybe more. Seems a lot like a trap to me

Wasn't that the whole point of the mission, go to a beam to get the Citadel? Or is that a figment of your imagination due to indoctrination? Is the whole Earth mission fiction then?

How does one preclude the other?

Your still in the rubble of alliance command in canada. Anderson's calling your name and your choice will dictate whether object rho has succesfully indoctrinated you or not.

I think you mean the UK, you were in Canada in the first mission. Well, North America's one country in ME, but oh well...

The game hasn't started yet, you must choose and if you choose poorly you don't get to play mass effect 3 the true version.

[xsdob]

spotlessvoid wrote...

xsdob wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Why would the Reapers close the Citadel, which is virtually impossible to get into, but then connect a transport beam to it, and only defend it with a single Destroyer? And Harbinger gets there so late that at least Shepard survives, maybe more. Seems a lot like a trap to me

Wasn't that the whole point of the mission, go to a beam to get the Citadel? Or is that a figment of your imagination due to indoctrination? Is the whole Earth mission fiction then?

How does one preclude the other?

Your still in the rubble of alliance command in canada. Anderson's calling your name and your choice will dictate whether object rho has succesfully indoctrinated you or not.

Are you saying IDT is real?

I'm saying lighten up and learn to laugh at jokes, espically the ones that cut deep. You'll enjoy life much more with that kind of outlook.

[HellishFiend]

xsdob wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

xsdob wrote...

Your still in the rubble of alliance command in canada. Anderson's calling your name and your choice will dictate whether object rho has succesfully indoctrinated you or not.

I think you mean the UK, you were in Canada in the first mission. Well, North America's one country in ME, but oh well...

The game hasn't started yet, you must choose and if you choose poorly you don't get to play mass effect 3 the true version.

 

[xsdob]

HellishFiend wrote...

xsdob wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

xsdob wrote...

Your still in the rubble of alliance command in canada. Anderson's calling your name and your choice will dictate whether object rho has succesfully indoctrinated you or not.

I think you mean the UK, you were in Canada in the first mission. Well, North America's one country in ME, but oh well...

The game hasn't started yet, you must choose and if you choose poorly you don't get to play mass effect 3 the true version.

 

Too bad, who knew synthesis was the way to break indoctrination this whole time.

red is dead.

blue is poo

green is keen

Modifié par xsdob, 01 mai 2012 - 07:43 .

[Arian Dynas]

xsdob wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

xsdob wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

xsdob wrote...

Your still in the rubble of alliance command in canada. Anderson's calling your name and your choice will dictate whether object rho has succesfully indoctrinated you or not.

I think you mean the UK, you were in Canada in the first mission. Well, North America's one country in ME, but oh well...

The game hasn't started yet, you must choose and if you choose poorly you don't get to play mass effect 3 the true version.

 

Too bad, who knew synthesis was the way to break indoctrination this whole time.

red is dead.

blue is poo

green is keen

That's cute... did you come up with that all on your own?

Run along now and play, son.

[xsdob]

Oh don't worry I'll be leaving soon. But I implore you to try and lighten up and see the humor in what I posted there instead of just rage. Oh, and as immature as that last part was, it still more than likley made some people giggled, and if I can equate my favorite ending choice to feces, surly you can learn to laugh a little.

Okay than, see you later.

Modifié par xsdob, 01 mai 2012 - 07:53 .

[Hawk227]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Addition: @Arian: I will watch the video and  those plates a thousand times and still not be able to place them as being in the game before. The closest similar objects I've been able to pick out are the vertical, slightly curving, plate structures that surround the inside of the beam as seen in the photo below (green circle).



The only other place I've seen something similar is during the Rachni Queen mission, pieces of the barrier/door lock that you had to shoot to unlock things. I don't have an image to double check so I'm using my imagination.... not accruate.

They could be part of the bottom of the Beam I suppose, we just need to find a shot of it somewhere. Even if we figure out what they are there's still those 2 objects behind Shepard's body to figure out.

Is that mako/transport in the same position as the one that apparently is in the background of the breath scene? I would say it is.

Also, am I late to this revelation?

[CARL_DF90]

BleedingUranium wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Something I've said before, but hey, gotta pass time

Given how much the beam area looks like Star Kid's area, I think Shep's mind is trying to tell him going into the beam in reality would be a bad idea.

Why would the Reapers close the Citadel, which is virtually impossible to get into, but then connect a transport beam to it, and only defend it with a single Destroyer? And Harbinger gets there so late that at least Shepard survives, maybe more. Seems a lot like a trap to me

Yep, that's what an intelligent and logical person would deduce.

At this point, I'm pretty sure Sherlock Holmes himself would be an Indoctrinist.

"when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth"

That quote is perfect!

I love you guys! That sums things up rather nicely.

[Arian Dynas]

xsdob wrote...

Oh don't worry I'll be leaving soon. But I implore you to try and lighten up and see the humor in what I posted there instead of just rage.

Okay than, see you later.

Oh not ragin, not even annoyed, just on the defensive and trying to figure you out.

[HellishFiend]

Hawk227 wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Addition: @Arian: I will watch the video and  those plates a thousand times and still not be able to place them as being in the game before. The closest similar objects I've been able to pick out are the vertical, slightly curving, plate structures that surround the inside of the beam as seen in the photo below (green circle).


The only other place I've seen something similar is during the Rachni Queen mission, pieces of the barrier/door lock that you had to shoot to unlock things. I don't have an image to double check so I'm using my imagination.... not accruate.

They could be part of the bottom of the Beam I suppose, we just need to find a shot of it somewhere. Even if we figure out what they are there's still those 2 objects behind Shepard's body to figure out.

Is that mako/transport in the same position as the one that apparently is in the background of the breath scene? I would say it is.

Also, am I late to this revelation?

Perhaps, but you have to keep in mind that according to the IT, the scene that screenshot is from takes place in Shepard's head. So you you have to keep those implications in mind when referencing from it. 

Modifié par HellishFiend, 01 mai 2012 - 07:55 .

[iggy1eco]

balance5050 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Just two. IGN has a pretty good breakdown here:
http://www.ign.com/w...ffect-3/Endings 

Yeah, first of all, like byne said, why would the "control signal" destroy big ben?

Symbolically it makes sense though: depending on your EMS, Destroy could end in a wider variety of outcomes, control would be one of two (Shep going full indoc, Shep blowing his head of ala Saren). I want to say that Synthesis is full indoc but that would be a pretty in your face troll move. They did paint it as the best ending, but realistically it's utter nonsense.

It's a Trap!!
=p

It might be too simple saying this, and problably redundant but assuming and hoping Indoctrination is the real deal, the "paiting" was a smart move. Or as I'd like to think, extremely clever. However, in the background you still have to figure it out "wait...I did right choosing this? Who was I negotiating with the fate of humanity , again?"

I think it's all symbolic and I like to say that the Reapers ultimate weapon it's not firepower, it's psychological, so it's about time the player experiences it in first hand with a big bang. It was like giving the illusion of power to Shepard while the true motives behind are

Control: Shepard dies, Reapers are controled.
In Reality: Shepard is out of the picture, the Reapers killed the leader of the resistance performing, again, a psychological hit in humanity morale and hope.

Synthesis: Shepard dies, organics are merged with synth.
In Reality: Shepard dies.Not his brain however, only his consciousness. The Shepard. The personality. Being a slave to the reapers, somehow he himself will lead organics to it's doom, making choices in favor of the enemy.

Destroy: Shepard lives, reapers gone.
In Reality: "Oh no you won't fool me, brah!" and continues the fight against the Reapers, or at least, he won the psychological game.

It was a very vague idea and I just had to vent it so....sorry for anything but knowing how Bioware deals with symbology, even the KOTOR game...well...that's a hint. xD

Modifié par iggy1eco, 01 mai 2012 - 07:56 .

[spotlessvoid]

xsdob wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

xsdob wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Why would the Reapers close the Citadel, which is virtually impossible to get into, but then connect a transport beam to it, and only defend it with a single Destroyer? And Harbinger gets there so late that at least Shepard survives, maybe more. Seems a lot like a trap to me

Wasn't that the whole point of the mission, go to a beam to get the Citadel? Or is that a figment of your imagination due to indoctrination? Is the whole Earth mission fiction then?

How does one preclude the other?

Your still in the rubble of alliance command in canada. Anderson's calling your name and your choice will dictate whether object rho has succesfully indoctrinated you or not.

Are you saying IDT is real?

I'm saying lighten up and learn to laugh at jokes, espically the ones that cut deep. You'll enjoy life much more with that kind of outlook.

Laughing at the absurdity that is our existence is not one of my deficiencies.

[Arian Dynas]

spotlessvoid wrote...

xsdob wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

xsdob wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Why would the Reapers close the Citadel, which is virtually impossible to get into, but then connect a transport beam to it, and only defend it with a single Destroyer? And Harbinger gets there so late that at least Shepard survives, maybe more. Seems a lot like a trap to me

Wasn't that the whole point of the mission, go to a beam to get the Citadel? Or is that a figment of your imagination due to indoctrination? Is the whole Earth mission fiction then?

How does one preclude the other?

Your still in the rubble of alliance command in canada. Anderson's calling your name and your choice will dictate whether object rho has succesfully indoctrinated you or not.

Are you saying IDT is real?

I'm saying lighten up and learn to laugh at jokes, espically the ones that cut deep. You'll enjoy life much more with that kind of outlook.

Laughing at the absurdity that is our existence is not one of my deficiencies.

Yeah, being totally honest here, I have no idea what this loon is on about.

[HellishFiend]

I think he is just trying to bring some levity into the topic. No reason to get on his case, IMO.

[ZIPO396]

HellishFiend wrote...

I think he is just trying to bring some levity into the topic. No reason to get on his case, IMO.

"Your levity is good, it relieves tension and the fear of death."

Modifié par ZIPO396, 01 mai 2012 - 08:12 .

[iggy1eco]

ZIPO396 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

I think he is just trying to bring some levity into the topic. No reason to get on his case, IMO.

"Your levity is good, it relieves tension and the fear of death."

Terminator quote?=p

[Big G13]

spotlessvoid wrote...

xsdob wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

xsdob wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Why would the Reapers close the Citadel, which is virtually impossible to get into, but then connect a transport beam to it, and only defend it with a single Destroyer? And Harbinger gets there so late that at least Shepard survives, maybe more. Seems a lot like a trap to me

Wasn't that the whole point of the mission, go to a beam to get the Citadel? Or is that a figment of your imagination due to indoctrination? Is the whole Earth mission fiction then?

How does one preclude the other?

Your still in the rubble of alliance command in canada. Anderson's calling your name and your choice will dictate whether object rho has succesfully indoctrinated you or not.

Are you saying IDT is real?

I'm saying lighten up and learn to laugh at jokes, espically the ones that cut deep. You'll enjoy life much more with that kind of outlook.

Laughing at the absurdity that is our existence is not one of my deficiencies.

Absurdly laughing at my deficiencies is not my existence. SO THERE. ( I don't know. I'm drunk.) 

[iggy1eco]

ZIPO396 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

I think he is just trying to bring some levity into the topic. No reason to get on his case, IMO.

"Your levity is good, it relieves tension and the fear of death."

Terminator quote? =p

EDIT:Ignore this. Internet glitch made me post twice =/

Modifié par iggy1eco, 01 mai 2012 - 08:15 .

[spotlessvoid]

HellishFiend wrote...

I think he is just trying to bring some levity into the topic. No reason to get on his case, IMO.

Light hearted as it may have been, it was nonetheless at our expense. The condescending life lesson was also annoying.

[Hawk227]

HellishFiend wrote...

Hawk227 wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Addition: @Arian: I will watch the video and  those plates a thousand times and still not be able to place them as being in the game before. The closest similar objects I've been able to pick out are the vertical, slightly curving, plate structures that surround the inside of the beam as seen in the photo below (green circle).


The only other place I've seen something similar is during the Rachni Queen mission, pieces of the barrier/door lock that you had to shoot to unlock things. I don't have an image to double check so I'm using my imagination.... not accruate.

They could be part of the bottom of the Beam I suppose, we just need to find a shot of it somewhere. Even if we figure out what they are there's still those 2 objects behind Shepard's body to figure out.

Is that mako/transport in the same position as the one that apparently is in the background of the breath scene? I would say it is.

Also, am I late to this revelation?

Perhaps, but you have to keep in mind that according to the IT, the scene that screenshot is from takes place in Shepard's head. So you you have to keep those implications in mind when referencing from it. 

Good point. Although, it seems that a transport flips over close to you right before your hit by the beam. So.. there's that. Not sure if that's always true though.

EDIT: Upon watching a few other videos, it seems that transport always flips but the trigger to be hit is off a little so it's not always so close.

Modifié par Hawk227, 01 mai 2012 - 08:22 .