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Oh and another thing why did we have to track Kai leng from sanctuary to the Cerberus base if we had access to the base about 40% of the game.

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llbountyhunter wrote...

the whole "beam run"  is the part where the player are supposed to "spot it" 

its has 
shepard dousnt act himself after shuttle gets hit
dream treas (/before getting hit)
doll-like  bodies (before getting hit)
blurry atmpsphere (before getting hit)
anderson has gun
harbinger

if you talk about the stuff that is in only  AFTER the beam hit you is 

harbinger flies away.
even more dream-like atmosphere

If true notice how Anderson shoves a Carnifex right in your face
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Rosewind wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Sorry but something still bugs me about Omega, if it is unimportant why dose TIM take it over?


it was breifly explained that TIM used it a hub for transport from the omega 4 relay.

though there *might be something more.


Hmm I knew that but why waste resources on taking it they just using it as a research hub? That is what is bothering me is why he put so much effort into it.


I completely agree.   Yes, it does help Cerberus secure anything coming back through the Omega 4 Relay.  it gives them a large base, etc. 

TIM has some grand plans and does everything for a reason.  Maybe the reason behind taking Omega is just what it seems to be, but I remain skeptical that his given reason is the only reason. 

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Lakeshow1986 wrote...

Also the control option has the four handles that the keepers use, granted you only use two of them. To me? That was alarm bells there as the keepers were the very definition of servants to the reapers, and your using the same interface...


Or possibly BW reuse old things? The Catalyst built the Citadel and the options, why wouldn't they be the same?


If that's the case it was odd of Bioware to name these handles the "bad" ending in the model viewer :P


How do you? Evidence if you will :)

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

the whole "beam run"  is the part where the player are supposed to "spot it" 

its has 
shepard dousnt act himself after shuttle gets hit
dream treas (/before getting hit)
doll-like  bodies (before getting hit)
blurry atmpsphere (before getting hit)
anderson has gun
harbinger

if you talk about the stuff that is in only  AFTER the beam hit you is 

harbinger flies away.
even more dream-like atmosphere

If true notice how Anderson shoves a Carnifex right in your face
Posted Image


I thought the point of shoving it in your face here is to highlight the fact that this is the gun you find when you wake up from the beam?

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SubAstris wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Lakeshow1986 wrote...

Also the control option has the four handles that the keepers use, granted you only use two of them. To me? That was alarm bells there as the keepers were the very definition of servants to the reapers, and your using the same interface...


Or possibly BW reuse old things? The Catalyst built the Citadel and the options, why wouldn't they be the same?


If that's the case it was odd of Bioware to name these handles the "bad" ending in the model viewer :P


How do you? Evidence if you will :)


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SubAstris wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Lakeshow1986 wrote...

Also the control option has the four handles that the keepers use, granted you only use two of them. To me? That was alarm bells there as the keepers were the very definition of servants to the reapers, and your using the same interface...


Or possibly BW reuse old things? The Catalyst built the Citadel and the options, why wouldn't they be the same?


If that's the case it was odd of Bioware to name these handles the "bad" ending in the model viewer :P


How do you? Evidence if you will :)


EDIT - this post invalidated by bountyhunter :P

Modifié par SS2Dante, 01 mai 2012 - 04:31 .


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Rosewind wrote...

Oh and another thing why did we have to track Kai leng from sanctuary to the Cerberus base if we had access to the base about 40% of the game.


I don't think we had access to the base...where did you get the idea from?

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SS2Dante wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

the whole "beam run"  is the part where the player are supposed to "spot it" 

its has 
shepard dousnt act himself after shuttle gets hit
dream treas (/before getting hit)
doll-like  bodies (before getting hit)
blurry atmpsphere (before getting hit)
anderson has gun
harbinger

if you talk about the stuff that is in only  AFTER the beam hit you is 

harbinger flies away.
even more dream-like atmosphere

If true notice how Anderson shoves a Carnifex right in your face
Posted Image


I thought the point of shoving it in your face here is to highlight the fact that this is the gun you find when you wake up from the beam?

As said "if" true, also as a counter:
The tree is clearly missing here:
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MaximizedAction wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Oh and another thing why did we have to track Kai leng from sanctuary to the Cerberus base if we had access to the base about 40% of the game.


I don't think we had access to the base...where did you get the idea from?

You can fly to the cluster after Tuchanka or Rannoch.
You can fly to the system after Thessia.

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MaximizedAction wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Oh and another thing why did we have to track Kai leng from sanctuary to the Cerberus base if we had access to the base about 40% of the game.


I don't think we had access to the base...where did you get the idea from?


Sorry probably should of clarified it better when I say access I mean we had access to the system and could look at the station like the planets but the information doesnt say it is TIM's base but it's the base we go to though.

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llbountyhunter wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Lakeshow1986 wrote...

Also the control option has the four handles that the keepers use, granted you only use two of them. To me? That was alarm bells there as the keepers were the very definition of servants to the reapers, and your using the same interface...


Or possibly BW reuse old things? The Catalyst built the Citadel and the options, why wouldn't they be the same?


If that's the case it was odd of Bioware to name these handles the "bad" ending in the model viewer :P


How do you? Evidence if you will :)


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Interesting. Although you would have thought BW would use the word "control" (and/or contracted forms e.g. "ctrl") rather than "bad" if IT is true, since synthesis is also meant to be "bad" and there would be some confusion. Also, does there happen to be similar ones for destroy which says "good" for example, that would be pretty damning

Modifié par SubAstris, 01 mai 2012 - 04:37 .


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MegumiAzusa wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Oh and another thing why did we have to track Kai leng from sanctuary to the Cerberus base if we had access to the base about 40% of the game.


I don't think we had access to the base...where did you get the idea from?

You can fly to the cluster after Tuchanka or Rannoch.
You can fly to the system after Thessia.


The Cronos Station is in the Anadius System. The System you're probably refering to, has a giant star, too. Was is Arctarus?

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Sorry, double post

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 OK, I just checked Jessica's Twitter page.  She says that she's very happy with the EC right now.  And since she's always been a big advocate of IT, I'm thinking this may suggest something.  Or, it could just be her saying that she likes how it's coming along without there being any deeper meaning.  Lots of speculation.

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Sorry, double post

 One sec confused my self I am checking gimmie a miniute :P

Modifié par Rosewind, 01 mai 2012 - 04:43 .


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Dwailing wrote...

 OK, I just checked Jessica's Twitter page.  She says that she's very happy with the EC right now.  And since she's always been a big advocate of IT, I'm thinking this may suggest something.  Or, it could just be her saying that she likes how it's coming along without there being any deeper meaning.  Lots of speculation.


I thought she also said that Shepard was definitely on the Citadel at the end...

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Loving the sig, MaximisedAction

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SubAstris wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Lakeshow1986 wrote...

Also the control option has the four handles that the keepers use, granted you only use two of them. To me? That was alarm bells there as the keepers were the very definition of servants to the reapers, and your using the same interface...


Or possibly BW reuse old things? The Catalyst built the Citadel and the options, why wouldn't they be the same?


If that's the case it was odd of Bioware to name these handles the "bad" ending in the model viewer :P


How do you? Evidence if you will :)


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Interesting. Although you would have thought BW would use the word "control" (and/or contracted forms e.g. "ctrl") rather than "bad" if IT is true, since synthesis is also meant to be "bad" and there would be some confusion. Also, does there happen to be similar ones for destroy which says "good" for example, that would be pretty damning


I should point out that Synthesis doesn't really have any models that accompany it.  It's just a beam of light.  And the fact that the pillars in Control are explicitly named as being part of a bad ending suggests to me that something else is going on.

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SubAstris wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Lakeshow1986 wrote...

Also the control option has the four handles that the keepers use, granted you only use two of them. To me? That was alarm bells there as the keepers were the very definition of servants to the reapers, and your using the same interface...


Or possibly BW reuse old things? The Catalyst built the Citadel and the options, why wouldn't they be the same?


If that's the case it was odd of Bioware to name these handles the "bad" ending in the model viewer :P


How do you? Evidence if you will :)


Posted Image

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Interesting. Although you would have thought BW would use the word "control" (and/or contracted forms e.g. "ctrl") rather than "bad" if IT is true, since synthesis is also meant to be "bad" and there would be some confusion. Also, does there happen to be similar ones for destroy which says "good" for example, that would be pretty damning


No such luck, as far as I'm aware. Synthesis doesn't have any models, just the generic light beam, and from what I remember destroy didn't turn up anything useful. So all we have is the bizarre indication that control is apparently bad.

Speculation speculation speculation.

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Dwailing wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Lakeshow1986 wrote...

Also the control option has the four handles that the keepers use, granted you only use two of them. To me? That was alarm bells there as the keepers were the very definition of servants to the reapers, and your using the same interface...


Or possibly BW reuse old things? The Catalyst built the Citadel and the options, why wouldn't they be the same?


If that's the case it was odd of Bioware to name these handles the "bad" ending in the model viewer :P


How do you? Evidence if you will :)


Posted Image

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Interesting. Although you would have thought BW would use the word "control" (and/or contracted forms e.g. "ctrl") rather than "bad" if IT is true, since synthesis is also meant to be "bad" and there would be some confusion. Also, does there happen to be similar ones for destroy which says "good" for example, that would be pretty damning


I should point out that Synthesis doesn't really have any models that accompany it.  It's just a beam of light.  And the fact that the pillars in Control are explicitly named as being part of a bad ending suggests to me that something else is going on.


Fair enough, but you should expect one for destroy, which no one has offered. That would provide very strong evidence for IT

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SubAstris wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Lakeshow1986 wrote...

Also the control option has the four handles that the keepers use, granted you only use two of them. To me? That was alarm bells there as the keepers were the very definition of servants to the reapers, and your using the same interface...


Or possibly BW reuse old things? The Catalyst built the Citadel and the options, why wouldn't they be the same?


If that's the case it was odd of Bioware to name these handles the "bad" ending in the model viewer :P


How do you? Evidence if you will :)


Posted Image

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Interesting. Although you would have thought BW would use the word "control" (and/or contracted forms e.g. "ctrl") rather than "bad" if IT is true, since synthesis is also meant to be "bad" and there would be some confusion. Also, does there happen to be similar ones for destroy which says "good" for example, that would be pretty damning


I should point out that Synthesis doesn't really have any models that accompany it.  It's just a beam of light.  And the fact that the pillars in Control are explicitly named as being part of a bad ending suggests to me that something else is going on.


Fair enough, but you should expect one for destroy, which no one has offered. That would provide very strong evidence for IT


But by calling the Control model bad, and by Synthesis not having any models one way or the other but still seeming pretty weird (SPACE MAGIC :wizard::wizard::wizard::wizard:), by process of elimination, Destroy would seem to be the only one left that could be considered good.  Also, I'm not here to restart the conversation from earlier about Synthesis, I'm only pointing out what seems to me to be the evidence here.

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MaximizedAction wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Oh and another thing why did we have to track Kai leng from sanctuary to the Cerberus base if we had access to the base about 40% of the game.


I don't think we had access to the base...where did you get the idea from?

You can fly to the cluster after Tuchanka or Rannoch.
You can fly to the system after Thessia.


The Cronos Station is in the Anadius System. The System you're probably refering to, has a giant star, too. Was is Arctarus?


Anaduis System in the Horse-head Nebular, you can access it asoon as the Hourse-head nebular is enabled. Think it is enabled after the citadel attack maybe cant remember.

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Rosewind wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Oh and another thing why did we have to track Kai leng from sanctuary to the Cerberus base if we had access to the base about 40% of the game.


I don't think we had access to the base...where did you get the idea from?

You can fly to the cluster after Tuchanka or Rannoch.
You can fly to the system after Thessia.


The Cronos Station is in the Anadius System. The System you're probably refering to, has a giant star, too. Was is Arctarus?


Anaduis System in the Horse-head Nebular, you can access it asoon as the Hourse-head nebular is enabled. Think it is enabled after the citadel attack maybe cant remember.

I couldn't fly out of Pax until after Thessia on my last playthrough.

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But by calling the Control model bad, and by Synthesis not having any models one way or the other but still seeming pretty weird (SPACE MAGIC :wizard::wizard::wizard::wizard:), by process of elimination, Destroy would seem to be the only one left that could be considered good.  Also, I'm not here to restart the conversation from earlier about Synthesis, I'm only pointing out what seems to me to be the evidence here.


Does seem awfully weird that some one has found that information on control yet not for destroy yet. Because if they did, and it said "good" or something like that, that would be very good evidence for IT. But alas it is not there