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#48201
Epantiras

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WTF trees? But why aren't they visible in-game?

#48202
Dwailing

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SubAstris wrote...

What is the exact purpose of the trees if IT is true?


Well, the dreams have trees in them.  I don't think they're the same trees, but I don't see why they would have been put in there if not to reference the dreams or at least to point out that the room is not real.  They seem pointless otherwise.

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What are we discussing about these pics?

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Epantiras wrote...

WTF trees? But why aren't they visible in-game?


I believe if you look in the ground of the end chamber you can see their reflections.  However, they were not made visible since they were not meant to be obvious.  They were meant as a subtle hint that something was not right.

Modifié par Dwailing, 01 mai 2012 - 05:31 .


#48205
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balance5050 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

I wonder why no one so far said anything about the trees in the reflections of the walkways at the end.
*snip*
http://thundermods.n.../treescube2.png
http://thundermods.n.../treescube3.png
http://thundermods.n.../treescube4.png
http://thundermods.n.../treescube5.png
http://thundermods.n.../treescube6.png
http://thundermods.n.../treescube7.png
http://thundermods.n.../treescube8.png
http://thundermods.n.../treescube9.png


Can you find any cubemaps WITHOUT the trees? Because if these really are the cube maps for reflection used in the game then it's pretty conclusive to me.

I've tried seeing them in game but I can't seem to get a good angle.

Found them:
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They are much better to see when moving, also updated my savegame collection containing autosaves from the walk to the conduit, right before TIM and the choice.

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HOLY ****.

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Epantiras wrote...

WTF trees? But why aren't they visible in-game?


what!? you cant see them? they very obvious and blatant. everybodies talking about the trees. maybe theres something wrong with your copy. might want to return it.


lol, jk, you can their reflection on the ground.

Modifié par llbountyhunter, 01 mai 2012 - 05:33 .


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HOLY ****.

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Oh yeah. B)  I think this is it.  After this, there is no way people can keep claiming that the end chamber is real with any credibility.

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Dwailing wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

HOLY ****.

*snip*




Oh yeah. B)  I think this is it.  After this, there is no way people can keep claiming that the end chamber is real with any credibility.


Perhaps I don;t get it, explain for me why?

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

I wonder why no one so far said anything about the trees in the reflections of the walkways at the end.
*snip*
http://thundermods.n.../treescube2.png
http://thundermods.n.../treescube3.png
http://thundermods.n.../treescube4.png
http://thundermods.n.../treescube5.png
http://thundermods.n.../treescube6.png
http://thundermods.n.../treescube7.png
http://thundermods.n.../treescube8.png
http://thundermods.n.../treescube9.png


Can you find any cubemaps WITHOUT the trees? Because if these really are the cube maps for reflection used in the game then it's pretty conclusive to me.

I've tried seeing them in game but I can't seem to get a good angle.

Found them:
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They are much better to see when moving, also updated my savegame collection containing autosaves from the walk to the conduit, right before TIM and the choice.


Hell yeah!! Rightous!!

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MegumiAzusa

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Arian Dynas wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

HOLY ****.

*snip*




Oh yeah. B)  I think this is it.  After this, there is no way people can keep claiming that the end chamber is real with any credibility.


Perhaps I don;t get it, explain for me why?

http://social.biowar...3/1929#11790587

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 01 mai 2012 - 05:36 .


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OK, I'm going to post the link to Jessica's exact words on the topic of the EC. http://twitter.com/#...120929086717952

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I personally don't get why they would include trees in any form to that ending scene.

Unless...

Modifié par lex0r11, 01 mai 2012 - 05:38 .


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SubAstris

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Dwailing wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

What is the exact purpose of the trees if IT is true?


Well, the dreams have trees in them.  I don't think they're the same trees, but I don't see why they would have been put in there if not to reference the dreams or at least to point out that the room is not real.  They seem pointless otherwise.


They look considerably more like, and my first impressions were, that they look like the trees during the StarGazer scene. I don't know their exact purpose, but it is possible that the model of the Catalyst background was used for something else. BW didn't want to it to be noticeable, they tried to hide it as much as possible. Whether that supports IT or not, it is hard to tell

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 OK, with the tree evidence added to everything else that we've assembled, I think this might be our finest hour.  IT is now truly the definitive explanation for the ending.

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Dwailing wrote...

 OK, with the tree evidence added to everything else that we've assembled, I think this might be our finest hour.  IT is now truly the definitive explanation for the ending.


Except we've known about the trees for a while now, its not exactly new info.

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I'm all for enthusiasm people, but hold your horses for now. ^^'

Modifié par lex0r11, 01 mai 2012 - 05:41 .


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I... am excited.

Truly, there was never any doubt for me.

#48219
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Requoting something that I've found around page 500 something of this thread...

Monochrome Wench wrote...

Monochrome Wench wrote...

Aurion56 wrote...

Hi all,
I've been trying to keep up with the rampant pace of this thread for the past few days, and I figured I'd contribute something I noticed when poking around in one of the PCC files earlier.

http://i1265.photobu...n56/Oddity2.jpg

Whether this has been noticed before or not, it may not be damning evidence one way or another, but it at least provides something more to discuss. Which, let's face it, is all we can really do until whatever the embargo date Bioware has put up on any news has passed. ;)

(Edit: removed HTML code that didn't seem to work. Feel free to link directly if you feel inclined!)

OMG, I just checked the game, that environment map IS used. Its the floor. You can see the trees reflected if you look carefully enough. I'm trying to get a screenshot that shows it. Its really really subtle. Think i'm going to have to highlight the required 'bits'


Ok, here we go, trees in the floor (click for fullsize image):

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#48220
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Dwailing wrote...

OK, I'm going to post the link to Jessica's exact words on the topic of the EC. http://twitter.com/#...120929086717952


And what about this....https://twitter.com/#!/JessicaMerizan/status/190117365311213569

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And you know what she said after that tweet, don't you?

I think no one can use anything from the Mass Effect related twitter accounts.
Jessica in particular is doing her job, which is neither confirming nor denying anything to keep the community happy, not goind nuts and rioting on the sites.

Modifié par lex0r11, 01 mai 2012 - 05:48 .


#48222
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I still don't see tree reflections

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SubAstris wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

OK, I'm going to post the link to Jessica's exact words on the topic of the EC. http://twitter.com/#...120929086717952


And what about this....https://twitter.com/#!/JessicaMerizan/status/190117365311213569


Because they'd totally spoil anything.

#48224
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SubAstris wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

OK, I'm going to post the link to Jessica's exact words on the topic of the EC. http://twitter.com/#...120929086717952


And what about this....https://twitter.com/#!/JessicaMerizan/status/190117365311213569


As anti-IT people are quick to point out, Jessica doesnt actually know the behind the scenes stuff  going on. If she had said Shep is on Earth you'd be all 'She isnt a dev, she cant possibly know!'

Plus she also once said the Normandy crashed on Earth, which is just silly.

As much as I love Jessica, take what she says with a grain of salt.

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SubAstris wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

OK, I'm going to post the link to Jessica's exact words on the topic of the EC. http://twitter.com/#...120929086717952


And what about this....https://twitter.com/#!/JessicaMerizan/status/190117365311213569


God, that woman. <_<  It's getting very hard to love her.  Unless, of course, she was being sarcastic.  Also, by saying that he's on the Citadel, she's completely invalidating the breath scene, since it only occurs AFTER the Citadel goes boom.  (sigh) I just don't know at this point, although I think she was just being sarcastic.