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[Dwailing]

maxloef wrote...

Guys this might seem crazy..but what if bioware isnt letting anything know untill we as a communty find ALL clues...

Maybe, but it's also just as likely that they are simply waiting until the EC comes out to reveal the truth.

[Tirian Thorn]

byne wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

I still don't see tree reflections

Me neither. please help me see the light!

Look up pareidolia for a reason why this is given credence

How can you deny that the trees are there when we have the FRAKKING texture maps for the reflections?

Look up denial for the reason he claims it lacks credence.

The trees don't prove IT. 

No one thing in within the theory is proof. 

Ultimately, to me, it comes down to one question:

Is Bioware sloppy/lazy? 

If they're sloppy and lazy, then IT just fits their mess and was never planned. 

If you think that Bioware had a plan and they're intelligent, thoughtful people who wanted to have an EPIC plot twist - then it is almost certain that IT is true. 

That's it.  If you can't get past Bioware being sloppy and lazy, then I believe you will have a very hard time accepting IT. 

[SS2Dante]

Dwailing wrote...

Epantiras wrote...

Requoting something that I've found around page 500 something of this thread...

Monochrome Wench wrote...

Monochrome Wench wrote...

Aurion56 wrote...

Hi all,
I've been trying to keep up with the rampant pace of this thread for the past few days, and I figured I'd contribute something I noticed when poking around in one of the PCC files earlier.

http://i1265.photobu...n56/Oddity2.jpg

Whether this has been noticed before or not, it may not be damning evidence one way or another, but it at least provides something more to discuss. Which, let's face it, is all we can really do until whatever the embargo date Bioware has put up on any news has passed.

(Edit: removed HTML code that didn't seem to work. Feel free to link directly if you feel inclined!)

OMG, I just checked the game, that environment map IS used. Its the floor. You can see the trees reflected if you look carefully enough. I'm trying to get a screenshot that shows it. Its really really subtle. Think i'm going to have to highlight the required 'bits'

Ok, here we go, trees in the floor (click for fullsize image):

Reposting to help with seeing the trees.

It's funny, I was looking at that going "What's...I don't really...it's not clear e-HOLY CRAP THERE IT IS"

[Dwailing]

IronSabbath88 wrote...

Ravereth wrote...

marcelo_sdk wrote...

Changing a bit the subject, but somebody has a clue of what is that planet the Normandy crashes?

I'm 99% sure that it's Zorya

There was also talk of it maybe being Aite. The planet from Overlord.

Yeah, that's what many people originally thought as well.  I don't think I've ever heard Zorya mentioned before, but like I said, it might be possible since it has a similar environment.

[MegumiAzusa]

Dwailing wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

I still don't see tree reflections

Made a short video where I move around a bit pointing on the trees. With movement their shapes can be much better distinguished from the ground texture.

I did see something very vague in the ground in the video.  Could you record it at a higher resolution?  480p would help, and 720p would probably be enough.

Seems YT is still processing, uploaded it as 1080p

I just rewatched it.  It's in 1080p now, and I'm pretty sure I saw at least one of the reflections.  I couldn't quite place the one highlighted in green in the picture, but I definitely saw the red highlighted one.  Or, it could be vice versa.  Point is, I saw at least one of the tree reflections.

Also if anyone wants better quality get there or download the savegames I uploaded and just look at these spots ^^

[Rosewind]

I believe they are there I just personally don't see them lol.

[Ravereth]

IronSabbath88 wrote...

Ravereth wrote...

marcelo_sdk wrote...

Changing a bit the subject, but somebody has a clue of what is that planet the Normandy crashes?

I'm 99% sure that it's Zorya

There was also talk of it maybe being Aite. The planet from Overlord.

Ok, I know I've posted this before but...



That's the reason why I'm almost sure that it is Zorya

Modifié par Ravereth, 01 mai 2012 - 06:05 .

[marcelo_sdk]

IronSabbath88 wrote...

Ravereth wrote...

marcelo_sdk wrote...

Changing a bit the subject, but somebody has a clue of what is that planet the Normandy crashes?

I'm 99% sure that it's Zorya

There was also talk of it maybe being Aite. The planet from Overlord.

It was my first thought. Anyway, this have some importance on IT?

[Tirian Thorn]

SubAstris wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

OK, I'm going to post the link to Jessica's exact words on the topic of the EC. http://twitter.com/#...120929086717952

And what about this....https://twitter.com/#!/JessicaMerizan/status/190117365311213569

Because they'd totally spoil anything.

First, she didn't have to say anything. Second, it is hypocritical for IT theorists to take words that seem to support IT from her as evidence of it but completely ignore her as a source when it contradicts IT

My point is, they'll say anything from the literal ending is.. well.. literal as to avoid spoilers. They're not going to tell you "Yep, definitely on Earth. Fooled you!" now are they?

Again, she didn't have to say anything...if BW want to release that information, that is their decision, even if it could possibly count as a "spoiler". From their point of view, if they are just going to continue the ending, they don't really care what wild theories the fans come up with, and to some, revealing anything at all, even the most minute details, would count as a spoiler. You only see it in a negative light because of your predisposition to IT, and that's fine

BUT - Bioware wanted discussion and passion by it's fans regarding the endings. 

Why would they want to spoil the IT theory early, even if they thought it was a crackpot theory?

They want people hanging on as long as possible and they're milking it for all it's worth. 

I would guarantee that if I asked Jessica if the Space Hamster was the real catalyst she wouldn't give a definitive answer so as to never discount anything... 

[waldstr18]

im gone a few days and you start seeing reflections of trees on the floor?

[maxloef]

*snip* someone beat me to it

Modifié par maxloef, 01 mai 2012 - 06:07 .

[SS2Dante]

Rosewind wrote...

I believe they are there I just personally don't see them lol.

On th picture quoted above, it's easiest to see if you follow the glow of the edge of the Earth, thn compare that to the cubemap bit highlighted. You can see the trunk of the tree, and the rest of it should pop out once you see that. Also to get the shade right to see the green tone you may have to adjust the angle of your moniter

EDIT - reposting the helpful pic.

http://wenchy.net/stupidity/trees.png 

Modifié par SS2Dante, 01 mai 2012 - 06:09 .

[maxloef]

waldstr18 wrote...

im gone a few days and you start seeing reflections of trees on the floor?

theres a big diference between start seeing and actualy game file evidence, namely cubemaps..

[SS2Dante]

maxloef wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

im gone a few days and you start seeing reflections of trees on the floor?

theres a big diference between start seeing and actualy game file evidence, namely cubemaps..

It was actually brought up before, but we had no screenshots to check if it was used in game. It seems it is.

[Dwailing]

marcelo_sdk wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

Ravereth wrote...

marcelo_sdk wrote...

Changing a bit the subject, but somebody has a clue of what is that planet the Normandy crashes?

I'm 99% sure that it's Zorya

There was also talk of it maybe being Aite. The planet from Overlord.

It was my first thought. Anyway, this have some importance on IT?

I think it's in reference to the whole thing about the ending being made of things Shepard has seen before.  And since the end scenes are made of things Shepard has seen before, then that would explain why some people don't get IT, since they have not seen the things in ME1 and ME2.  And while I acknowledge that that could be seen as evidence AGAINST IT since there will be people who haven't played 1 and 2 and are stuck with games where Shepard never did ANYTHING except the absolute bare minimum, I think it's more a matter of rewarding long time fans for their dedication.

[waldstr18]

im done fighting you guys, but im still amazed by what you come with next.

but seriously, dont you think the reflections are a lot like jesus on toast?

[MegumiAzusa]

waldstr18 wrote...

im done fighting you guys, but im still amazed by what you come with next.

but seriously, dont you think the reflections are a lot like jesus on toast?

Check the gamefiles yourself oO

[SubAstris]

BUT - Bioware wanted discussion and passion by it's fans regarding the endings. 

Why would they want to spoil the IT theory early, even if they thought it was a crackpot theory?

They want people hanging on as long as possible and they're milking it for all it's worth. 

I would guarantee that if I asked Jessica if the Space Hamster was the real catalyst she wouldn't give a definitive answer so as to never discount anything... 

I can only provide the accurate comments. If you are willing to believe that she was beign "sarcastic" or "toying with us" , then I don't know why other comments by her aren't held under the same scrutiny. Well, I do know...

Furthermore, such a comment also supports Weekes' comments that "all plot-important people on the Citadel survive". Unless there is some sort of massive conspiracy among BW to provide all the evidence they can to mislead people from the "truth" of IT this really cannot be, but I kinda find that hard to believe.

Modifié par SubAstris, 01 mai 2012 - 06:17 .

[byne]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

im done fighting you guys, but im still amazed by what you come with next.

but seriously, dont you think the reflections are a lot like jesus on toast?

Check the gamefiles yourself oO

He wont. He's too busy being a jackass. Just ignore him and he'll leave.

[balance5050]

SubAstris wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

OK, I'm going to post the link to Jessica's exact words on the topic of the EC. http://twitter.com/#...120929086717952

And what about this....https://twitter.com/#!/JessicaMerizan/status/190117365311213569

Because they'd totally spoil anything.

First, she didn't have to say anything. Second, it is hypocritical for IT theorists to take words that seem to support IT from her as evidence of it but completely ignore her as a source when it contradicts IT

The tweet you posted was before she saw the EC

[BluSoldier]

waldstr18 wrote...

im gone a few days and you start seeing reflections of trees on the floor?

HAHA my thoughts exactly.  Keep it up, guys!  The IT is getting stronger every day!

[lex0r11]

No hard feelings, guys. Just my latest creation before I go.

[Tirian Thorn]

waldstr18 wrote...

im done fighting you guys, but im still amazed by what you come with next.

but seriously, dont you think the reflections are a lot like jesus on toast?

Did you look at the pictures?  Did you see the trees?  Or did you refuse to see them?

The difference between code and toast is something really has to be coded for it to appear.  This isn't like a glitch happened to project the image of two trees onto the metal. 

Yes, there are numerous occurances in life where something totally looks like something else, but only to some. 

Jesus on toast for example or an oil stain in the parking lot that looks just like St. Barnabus. 

But, for the same thing to happen visually in a game - to me - is far less likely. 

[shepskisaac]

Speaking of trees, everyone in this thread realizes there are trees present during the Conduit run before Harby hits you with the beam right?

[waldstr18]

i wont check any gamefiles. sorry, but im hardly as invested as you guys into all that. havent played mass effect in over 2 weeks now. and i dont feel like mounting my windows drive either. also no matter how much in game "evidence" you stack up, its still a game for the real world, so idt makes no sense to me, as most of you know.