[quote]Dwailing wrote...
Someone, please find Arian's script again![/quote]
Ye asketh and ye shall receive.
http://social.biowar...3/1873#11747086 Might have to do another re-write soon, the idea with the Major being a turn-Coates is a good one, deserving of being explored.
And once again, since you lot seem to need it...
[quote]Arian Dynas wrote...
Also, shameless self-promoting bump! [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/w00t.png[/smilie]
[quote]Arian Dynas wrote...
Also, an interesting thing I noticed. During the fight with him, one of the things Kai Leng says is "We evolve, or we die" recall that Leng is fully indoctrinated. A bit more fodder for the "Reapers see themselves as the end of evolution" theory.
[quote]Arian Dynas wrote...
I've been thinking about it, and I think I've got the Reapers figured out.
Here's the "birth" of the Reapers in my opinion;
Long ago in the Milky Way, a species arises, skilled in both science and war, they are among the first to discover the Mass Effect and move out into the stars. They make many enemies along the way, perhaps even forming an empire in the process, seeking to integrate others into their might, perhaps seeing their wars as a sort of sick philanthrophism, granting might to the weak, and unity to the individual, but in the end, they are pushed back to their home world, a dying rock, exhausted by it's population. Calamity strikes, quickly and effectively, leaving them with little time.
They realize they must leave, or they will face extinction, there is no time to take everyone with them via ship, they simply don't have the means, and would far prefer to avoid becoming an endangered species in a galaxy out for their blood. So they turn to technology to preserve both their strength, and their legacy.
Their grim sciences which made them masters of what they saw, are now put to use saving their species from the ravages of natural selection. They come to a realization. Though they will never transport their bodies off, nothing precludes the traveling of the mind.
Repurposing the flagship of their fleet, the greatest of their ships, they begin to improve it, making it a worthy vessel for their continued existence, though they find themselves lacking for materials. Turning again to desperation, they use their own bodies, their sciences having made them as equally skilled in the manipulation of flesh as the manipulation of metal.
Finally, their ship is all but complete, when a mighty scientist and military mind comes to an important realization. What if the ship is damaged? She will need physical crew to repair her, and there shall be no physical crew remaining from their great work's completion.
He finds the soloution. Their species is known for the skill at manipulating the minds of others, a technology they long discovered, and one they integrate into every aspect of their ship's technology, a power that will allow them to go to war, and if ever is needed, melt down and integrate whatever building materials they need.
Thus, with the collected minds of an entire species embodied in one physical form, they leave behind their dying planet, the minds forming into one gestalt entity. And thus is born Harbinger.
Harbinger revels in his new form, a single mind, formed of many. He chooses to take this opportunity to settle old scores, using the mightiest capital ship that ever has, or ever will be seen.
After facing his own near destruction, Harbinger comes to the realization that alone, he is vulneruable.
He comes to the realization that HE is the pinnacle of creation, the greatest of all beings that has ever existed, or ever will exist. He also realizes that his is a form that all others should aspire to, NAY! A form they should be FORCED into if need be.
Forcing other species into a form such as his is doing them a kindness, allowing them the perfection of a form like his own. He conquers several of his old enemies, turning the greatest of them into capital ships, while others, those he finds more pathetic and simple, are merely made into his destroyers. Animals of all shapes and descriptions are not exempt either, rather than leaving them to die on a planet with a shattered biosphere, he creates the first Troop Transports and Processing Ships ships from their raw materials, beginning the creation of his armada.
Finally, with a galaxy stripped of his enemies, both great and small. Harbinger finds himself and his fleet without purpose, their war won forever. He then comes to a realization, life will arise again in the Milky Way, more great species will be born to accomplish great things as his own did. He could exterminate all life now if he chose.
Instead, he chooses to grant them the kindness of perfection, the opportunity to rise to his level, the peak of evolution. Though he becomes aware, they will certainly become a threat to him, so he chooses to do what his species was know best for, and turns to science. He realizes that if he provides an easy, accessable route for them, they will take it, giving him a method of control oever them. And so, the Reapers as they have now termed themselves, begin to sow the seeds of their crop of flesh, creating the Mass Relays, repurposing old enemies as the Keepers, and preparing to wait for a new crop to rise...
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[quote]spotlessvoid wrote...
Clearly, the reapers/starchild are not empathetic to other sentient life forms. Absolutely no care for the suffering of living beings is shown. Organic civilization may not be as advanced, but it is self aware. This capacity for abstract thought makes the humans to ants = reapers to humans line of reasoning flat out false. Since there is no apparent inherent need for organic life existing in the galaxy and the reapers/starchild are clearly not benevolent towards organic life, it obviously implies that reaper/starchild motivations are driven by self interest. This totally debunks the idea that reapers/starchild are acting on behalf of organic life.
Based on the fact that they don't wipe out ALL organic life and return in 50k year cycles, as opposed to when the need arises, my assumption is that they harvest organic life for sustenance. Whatever that specifically means I have no idea, but the Reapers/starchild are doing this for selfish reasons and not out of compassion or altruism. Starchild is either lying or some broken rogue AI from some long forgotten age. What he states is not only a textbook example of circular logic, it is undeniably contradicted by the Reapers actions. [/quote]
The thing about that, they don't see themselves as killing us. They beleive they are helping our final evolution along.
"I am the Harbinger of your Perfection."
"You are bacteria."
"Evolution cannot be stopped."
"Embrace Perfection."
"Surrender your form to us."
"I am the Harbinger of your ascendance!"
"We are your genetic destiny."
"Progress cannot be halted."
You are arrogant, Shepard."
"We are your destiny."
All quotes from Harbinger's own mouth. They clearly see individuals unimportant except where they can derive benefits from them. They beleive mankind has a destiny to fulfill.[/quote]
[quote]Arian Dynas wrote...
[quote]spotlessvoid wrote...
Some villains do it for personal gain or carnal pleasure and completely disregard any consequences their behavior has on others[/quote]
Doesn't mean they see themselves as evil though. A good villian in that sort of suitation either sees other people as less important than himself, or "not real people" (see Batman villian Victor Sszaz for an excellent example of this) ore they justify it in their own minds with phrases like "everyone is out for themselves, I'm just being like everyone else."
They're absolutely wrong, but in their own minds, they beleive they are in the right. Good and Evil aren't real things, speaking objectively, it's the result of a conflict of moralities. Life doesn't follow D&D alignments unfortunately. Though personally, I usually don't think about it. I just do what I think is right.
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[quote]Arian Dynas wrote...
[quote]gunslinger_ruiz wrote...
[quote]spotlessvoid wrote...
why would the reapers keep setting us back 50,000 years? If they are worried about dark energy or us destroying the galaxy, why not just wipe out organic life back to primitive form? Obviously they need advanced civilizations to harvest. that clearly implies a selfish motivation to their actions.
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Possible they don't want competition in terms of AI and technology, anything past 50,000 years might have proven to be too costly for them to harvest. Also possible they just like the number 50,000.
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I don't think they're selfish about it actually. As you can see from my own theory, I think it's a kind of sick philanthrophism. They see themselves as perfect ("I wish you could see it as I do Shepard... it's so... perfect...") and want to share their perfection with others, YOU are the arrogant little organic defying their grand master plan ("You are arrogant Shepard.") the pretentious little child who thinks he knows better than they, will all their millenia of experience, not to mention far more "processing power" in one little tentacle than you have in your whole head.
Creating new Reapers is the goal, perfecting Organic life and protecting it forever from the ravages of time and the static, unchanging, ungrowing synthetics, whom are bound by their programming (see the irony?) it also makes the process more effiecent and quick in the end, with less waste. YOU are the one who is being selfish as far as they are concerned, more concerned with your own life and opinions than the lives of everyone else.
Really, the theme I THINK I see here is that organics and synthetics aren't so different. We've been "programmed" by the Reapers (every 50,000 years we act the same, and die) just as much as synthetics are, and now, we, like EDI are altering our programming. The Reapers know us very well, every time they use the same tricks, the same forms of psychological warfare, because they are all common to organics, our very most base parts. And now we are the cycle that manages to spit in the face of that.
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And now, a few things that I feel warrant more discussion, and to take up more of your valuable goldbricking time.
[quote]Arian Dynas wrote...
Something just occurred to me.
Husks are shown (when you shoot 'em open) to have their brains primarily intact, correct?
For a while I was wondering how it was that Reapers could incorporate the minds of the people they kill into the nascent Reaper, especially since they use so many in the creation of Husks.
Then I realized, it's like what happened to Shepard, their brains are preserved, almost as though in formaldehyde, until the Husk is killed. Then, the brain itself is rendered down into material for building, and the content of the brain is copied, the neural pathways( which a Blue Box mimics, it's own unique electrical currents bearing similarities to synaptic pathways) Shepard was able to be brought back because his neural pathways had not degraded.
It also explains why a head-shot works on them, the brain is a necessity still, in an otherwise dead body.
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[quote]SubAstris wrote...
[quote]balance5050 wrote...
[quote]liggy002 wrote...
Here is the tweet by Jessica Merizan about the Citadel not being totally destroyed:
https://twitter.com/...036896298762241She claims that they explained this at PAX which saddens me. I will say, however, that this doesn't necessarily mean anything.
There are 2 possibilites:
1. Bioware is lying to us about this.
2. The ending really is the real deal (hell no!)[/quote]
It is a lie because they can't be "prescriptive" of the ending. Every thing they are talking about would give away what is in the EC. They have to explain the faux ending in order to not be prescriptive about the *real* ending.
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So if she had come out and had said "Shep was on Earth all the time" and Weekes said that "no one whatsoever survived on the Citadel", are you genuinely saying that you would not believe this strong evidence for IT?
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Yeah.
Merizan can think what she likes, she's not a developer.
If Weekes had SAID, explicitly in his interveiw that IDT was not true, of course we wouldn't be holding out.
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[quote]Unschuld wrote...
[quote]Tirian Thorn wrote...
6) The Star-Kid says the Citadel is part of it. Well, if that’s the case, then how were the Protheans able to sabotage the Citadel so the reapers couldn’t jump directly there from Dark Space. The Star-Kid should have been able to correct for that which totally invalidates ME1.
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This. So much.
If that wasn't a tip off, I don't know what is. If that hole was unintentionally created, that's a case of monumental unfathomable stupidity by the writers. I refuse to accept that the ME writers could be blind enough to miss something like this, which is something I wouldn't even expect from a grade school fanfic writer.
Was it his nap time? Why wouldn't catalyst kid "wake up" and dial R-E-A-P-E-R-S on his proverbial phone when some meddling organics started molesting the keepers? Does he really sleep that soundly?
Unfathomable.
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We don't know the exact qualities of the Catalyst, its capabilities. It could be that he is shackled somewhat and unable to change the signal. That is what happens when you introduce a new important character very late in the game.
And don't forget BW have made mistakes... What's the actual point of ME2 in terms of plot?
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Umm... EVERYTHING!?!
ME2 (which up until ME3 was my favorite so I may be baised) established new characters, new concepts, new locations, it established what had changed over the course of two years, as well as setting the timeline two years forward, It answered longstanding questions like "What happenend to the Protheans" you took out a major enemy base and cost them a huge quantity of resources, you killed the Human Form Reaper.and recovered the Reaper IFF, you had questions ABOUT the Reapers answered. They became considerably more terrifying.
Bioware ONLY makes mistakes about gameplay and rarely story, usually sacrificing gameplay for story. DA2 was a decent game that merely ended up being rushed, and they still sacrificed gameplay (copy and paste areas) for story.
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