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[lex0r11]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Drift Avalii wrote...

Wow, 24 hours without Internet and I miss nearly 70 pages O.o

I had gotten as far as DJBare's excellent catch on the sounds of gunfire on the way up to the panel - I listened to that by the way and agree it sounds like vocals - and some arguing of semantics about the world 'literalist'... Have I missed anything else?

Also Arian, the rewrite of the endings is fantastic! I bow to your skills, good sir.

Why thank you. May need to do it again soon though.


Also @Rosewind. Of course! We love our leading lady. Well leading when Ines isn't around, then you two have to share.

What about Resident Mom Kyzee? She's keeping the kids civil!

[Iconoclaste]

balance5050 wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Ok, I've had QUITE enough of you.

@HYR 2.0 RESPECT MOTHER****ER, LEARN THE MEANING OF IT.

Where will this lead you?

He wasn't talking to you dude.

And I'm not talking to you.

[Tirian Thorn]

[Arian Dynas]

Iconoclaste wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Ok, I've had QUITE enough of you.

@HYR 2.0 RESPECT MOTHER****ER, LEARN THE MEANING OF IT.

Where will this lead you?

Not sure, but I sure do feel better for it.

[llbountyhunter]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

So hold on, where exactly does Shepard start becoming indoctrinated anyway?

theres a debate about that at the moment...

A) the harbinger hits shepard with the laser running down the hill

or 

when the shuttle crashes on there way to the beam.


Im personally leaning more toward the shuttle crash

 

[Simon_Says]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

So hold on, where exactly does Shepard start becoming indoctrinated anyway?

Shepard is only indoctrinated if they choose control or synthesis. The indoctrination process, we're not sure where it started. Could be as early as Eden Prime. Likely candidates for when it started are Virmire, the Derelct Reaper, Object Rho, Project Lazarus, or something that occurs simply throughout the course of ME3 thanks to Shepard's proxmity to many, many reapers. It's one of our favorite discussions here.

When the 'dream sequence' starts, we're also not entirely sure. Could be when Harbinger red-beams you on your run to the conduit, could be just before and the run itself is fake, the whole ending could be a weird half-awake/half-dreaming sort of deal (notice how the crucible room is similar to the conduit run). Could be just the Catalyst scene and crucible choice are dreams. We don't know for sure. The most popular idea at the moment is when Harbinger fries you with its beam and yet somehow doesn't kill you outright.

[Rosewind]

Ahh rightly oh thank you Byne

[balance5050]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

So hold on, where exactly does Shepard start becoming indoctrinated anyway?

I think it starts when they crash the shuttle right before the beam rush.

Anderson "alright everyone, this is it.".... crash.


http://www.reddit.co...t_breakthrough/ 

[Arian Dynas]

llbountyhunter wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

So hold on, where exactly does Shepard start becoming indoctrinated anyway?

theres a debate about that at the moment...

A) the harbinger hits shepard with the laser running down the hill

or 

when the shuttle crashes on there way to the beam.


Im personally leaning more toward the shuttle crash

 

Oh if he meant WHEN DOES THE PROCESS of indoctrination begin, then I have already given an answer, when does the HALLUCINATION begin, most theoriest agree that it was when Harbinger hit shepard with the beam weapon.

[balance5050]

Iconoclaste wrote...

And I'm not talking to you.

Actually you just were then you dropped the ball.

[SS2Dante]

EDIT - see Arians post above.

Modifié par SS2Dante, 02 mai 2012 - 07:49 .

[llbountyhunter]

llbountyhunter wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

byne wrote...

Why Sovereign was like a million times more powerful than the actual Reapers fought in ME3, and as described in the Codex, I dont know, but it was. Hell, even in the space battle, you see a Reaper get destroyed by like two ships.

I recall someone in Bioware actually coming out and saying this was a mistake. Either that or maybe Sovereign was tougher than other reapers, and hence why it was chosen to be vanguard.

actually the thanix missiles (or some other weapons, not sure which) were made by reverse enginering the sovering gun. so it makes sense.

[Unschuld]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

1.) I don't follow.
2.) LOL yeah, because the writers couldn't make up their own minds about that. Patrick Weekes said it himself, he argued she should have died. Why the blatant inconsistency took place is beyond me, but knowing that, it's hardly ground to call him a liar.

1. Two words: Reverse. Psychology.

You're assuming human attributes on a decidedly non-human entity. 

So... you're saying that a non-human organism adept in the skill of manipulating other organisms couldn't possibly use current psychological tactics known to to us (and successfully used by us to manipulate the thoughts of others) simply because it's non human (even though this entire race of Reapers/Catalyst/Mass Effect is created and written by humans)?

WHAAAATTT?! :huh::huh:

You serious?

[byne]

Arian Dynas wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

So hold on, where exactly does Shepard start becoming indoctrinated anyway?

theres a debate about that at the moment...

A) the harbinger hits shepard with the laser running down the hill

or 

when the shuttle crashes on there way to the beam.


Im personally leaning more toward the shuttle crash

 

Oh if he meant WHEN DOES THE PROCESS of indoctrination begin, then I have already given an answer, when does the HALLUCINATION begin, most theoriest agree that it was when Harbinger hit shepard with the beam weapon.

I'm kinda leaning toward the shuttle crash at the moment, because it doesnt involve everyone running straight at the beam in a single file line, screaming at the top of their lungs.

[SubAstris]

Do any IT theorists believe that TIM and Anderson will make an appearance in the EC? The ending taken at face-value ties up those character arcs quite nicely just saying

[Tirian Thorn]

byne wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

So hold on, where exactly does Shepard start becoming indoctrinated anyway?

theres a debate about that at the moment...

A) the harbinger hits shepard with the laser running down the hill

or 

when the shuttle crashes on there way to the beam.


Im personally leaning more toward the shuttle crash

 

Oh if he meant WHEN DOES THE PROCESS of indoctrination begin, then I have already given an answer, when does the HALLUCINATION begin, most theoriest agree that it was when Harbinger hit shepard with the beam weapon.

I'm kinda leaning toward the shuttle crash at the moment, because it doesnt involve everyone running straight at the beam in a single file line, screaming at the top of their lungs.

[SubAstris]

Simon_Says wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

So hold on, where exactly does Shepard start becoming indoctrinated anyway?

Shepard is only indoctrinated if they choose control or synthesis. The indoctrination process, we're not sure where it started. Could be as early as Eden Prime. Likely candidates for when it started are Virmire, the Derelct Reaper, Object Rho, Project Lazarus, or something that occurs simply throughout the course of ME3 thanks to Shepard's proxmity to many, many reapers. It's one of our favorite discussions here.

When the 'dream sequence' starts, we're also not entirely sure. Could be when Harbinger red-beams you on your run to the conduit, could be just before and the run itself is fake, the whole ending could be a weird half-awake/half-dreaming sort of deal (notice how the crucible room is similar to the conduit run). Could be just the Catalyst scene and crucible choice are dreams. We don't know for sure. The most popular idea at the moment is when Harbinger fries you with its beam and yet somehow doesn't kill you outright.

Is the fact that there is so much discussion about where the indoc. actually happened show a) BW didn't intend it or It was shoddily executed?

[byne]

SubAstris wrote...

Do any IT theorists believe that TIM and Anderson will make an appearance in the EC? The ending taken at face-value ties up those character arcs quite nicely just saying

Well, considering we know that at least TIM is still alive, I'm fairly sure he will.

Not sure about Anderson, but if he does, Bioware damned well better include his entire dying speech if they kill him again.

[Rosewind]

SubAstris wrote...

Do any IT theorists believe that TIM and Anderson will make an appearance in the EC? The ending taken at face-value ties up those character arcs quite nicely just saying

Well yes because if IDT is true they weren't actually there it was ships mind allocating them to the two roles of fore and against.

[SS2Dante]

SubAstris wrote...

Do any IT theorists believe that TIM and Anderson will make an appearance in the EC? The ending taken at face-value ties up those character arcs quite nicely just saying

Probably, they're pretty big characters so assuming IT their story hasn't been concluded.

Face value does tie up the stories of TIm and Anderson, that's true, though there are also a metric tonne of odd things that happen during the TIM Anderson conversation.

[balance5050]

SubAstris wrote...

Do any IT theorists believe that TIM and Anderson will make an appearance in the EC? The ending taken at face-value ties up those character arcs quite nicely just saying

I don't know about Sheen or David, but voice actors HAVE been called in to do more voice work recently. The actress Tricia Helfer who plays edi confirmed a couple weeks ago that she was schedueled to be in the studio.

Modifié par balance5050, 02 mai 2012 - 07:54 .

[SubAstris]

Arian Dynas wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

So hold on, where exactly does Shepard start becoming indoctrinated anyway?

Derelict Reaper (HENCE WHY ME2 IS A NECESSARY PART OF THE PLOT SUBASTRIS.)

Reaper IFF doesn't help.

Object Rho acts as a booster.

Is there anything in ME2 that makes you so sure that the Derelict Reaper caused the indoctrination? 

[SS2Dante]

SubAstris wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

So hold on, where exactly does Shepard start becoming indoctrinated anyway?

Shepard is only indoctrinated if they choose control or synthesis. The indoctrination process, we're not sure where it started. Could be as early as Eden Prime. Likely candidates for when it started are Virmire, the Derelct Reaper, Object Rho, Project Lazarus, or something that occurs simply throughout the course of ME3 thanks to Shepard's proxmity to many, many reapers. It's one of our favorite discussions here.

When the 'dream sequence' starts, we're also not entirely sure. Could be when Harbinger red-beams you on your run to the conduit, could be just before and the run itself is fake, the whole ending could be a weird half-awake/half-dreaming sort of deal (notice how the crucible room is similar to the conduit run). Could be just the Catalyst scene and crucible choice are dreams. We don't know for sure. The most popular idea at the moment is when Harbinger fries you with its beam and yet somehow doesn't kill you outright.

Is the fact that there is so much discussion about where the indoc. actually happened show a) BW didn't intend it or It was shoddily executed?

...I think it shows we don't know for sure. Speculation only gets you so far.

[SS2Dante]

SubAstris wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

So hold on, where exactly does Shepard start becoming indoctrinated anyway?

Derelict Reaper (HENCE WHY ME2 IS A NECESSARY PART OF THE PLOT SUBASTRIS.)

Reaper IFF doesn't help.

Object Rho acts as a booster.

Is there anything in ME2 that makes you so sure that the Derelict Reaper caused the indoctrination? 

All the video logs of people becoming indoctrinated on it are pretty helpful evidence that it can still have an effect

Also, careful. "Caused" isn't what happens. It's a continual process.

Modifié par SS2Dante, 02 mai 2012 - 07:56 .

[Unschuld]

SubAstris wrote...

Do any IT theorists believe that TIM and Anderson will make an appearance in the EC? The ending taken at face-value ties up those character arcs quite nicely just saying

If the ending isn't face-value (dream sequence beginning at beam) I'd say yes, I'd imagine they'd appear again in one form or another. Just because the current ending seems to wrap them up in a pretty "final" fashion doesn't mean that IF there was an "actual" ending sequence later on with them in it there's no possibility of it being just as good, or better.