Was the ending a hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory
#49176
Posté 02 mai 2012 - 08:36
#49177
Posté 02 mai 2012 - 08:36
SS2Dante wrote...
The story progression of RvB is funny because once they realised they were making an actual serious story they had to desperately try and make it work with all the nutty stuff that came before
Wait a minute... RvB got serious? I stopped watching at season 2 (not because I didn't like it, but because I forgot it existed).
#49178
Posté 02 mai 2012 - 08:36
byne wrote...
The codex flat out says four dreadnoughts - less if they have Thanix cannons installed - can take down a sovereign class Reaper, and a single cruiser, or even just a group of single person fighters can take down a destroyer.
The codex also says the asari were doing a fairly good job of killing the Reapers until they switched tactics and started bombarding Thessia, which was when the asari switched from offensively fighting them, to defending Thessia. That is when the asari fleet started to lose.
Earth is already basically complete rubble, no need to defend it from bombardment.
Why Sovereign was like a million times more powerful than the actual Reapers fought in ME3, and as described in the Codex, I dont know, but it was. Hell, even in the space battle, you see a Reaper get destroyed by like two ships.
The Reapers could be defeated conventionally, it really isnt as hard as people would have you believe. Your idea that the amassed fleet could only take out 10 Sovereign-class reapers at best is just silly.
How many dreadnoughts are there? Per wiki...
Turians: 39 in ME2 (let's give them 45)
Asari: 20 in ME2 (let's give them 25)
Salarian: 15 in ME2 (let's give them 20)
Human: 9 in ME3
Volus: 1.
Say the accumulated fleets add you the equivalent of 50. We're at 150 of those ships. Now I'll round-up, to the nearest number divisible by four. 152. That equates to 38 dead Reapers.
Not all dreadnoughts will survive an encounter. Let's cut them down by a fourth, every encounter loses one ship. Down to, say, 116 (rounded up again for ease, and to be VERY optimistic). 29 more Reapers, and then 28/29 less ships. And now there are 88. 22 less Reapers, 22ish less ships.
68 ships take out 17; 52, +13/-13; 40, +10/-10; 32, 8/8; 24, 6/6; 20, 5/5; 16, 4/4; 12, 3/3; 8, 2/2; 4, 1/1. 3, out of ships, maybe one more for good measure.
Reapers destroyed: ~160. And again, I was pretty generous.
I guess it depends on how many Reapers you think are out there. If Reaper forces totaled somewhere around 1,000, that might be enough when you factor in all the other ships. But IMO, that number is probably more realistic somewhere around the 10,000's.
Modifié par HYR 2.0, 02 mai 2012 - 08:37 .
#49179
Posté 02 mai 2012 - 08:37
Unschuld wrote...
SS2Dante wrote...
The story progression of RvB is funny because once they realised they were making an actual serious story they had to desperately try and make it work with all the nutty stuff that came before
Wait a minute... RvB got serious? I stopped watching at season 2 (not because I didn't like it, but because I forgot it existed).
It got both serious and AWESOME. It's basically fully animated now and the new season has freakin' Elijah Wood voice acting.
#49180
Posté 02 mai 2012 - 08:38
Unschuld wrote...
SS2Dante wrote...
The story progression of RvB is funny because once they realised they were making an actual serious story they had to desperately try and make it work with all the nutty stuff that came before
Wait a minute... RvB got serious? I stopped watching at season 2 (not because I didn't like it, but because I forgot it existed).
I saw the lego version.....
#49181
Posté 02 mai 2012 - 08:38
Traynor is all "Engineer Adams would like to speak with you, Commander."
I go talk to him and he's all "Could you keep an eye out for a thermal pipe the next time you're on the Citadel?" and Shep is all "Sure, I'll buy one next time I'm there."
You'd think Bioware would have disabled that mission after a certain point.
Does Adams expect me to pick up a thermal pipe before or after I chat with TIM and Anderson?
Maybe godchild will give me a good deal on one.
#49182
Posté 02 mai 2012 - 08:38
estebanus wrote...
Bump because it's not a bad idea to participate
I took that one already a few days ago. Very nice survey. Of course, I checked the box for "do you like IT?"
#49183
Posté 02 mai 2012 - 08:38
Rosewind wrote...
What shuttle crash are you guys talking about?
Your shuttle crashed directly before the beam run. New analysis leads some of us to believe that the hallucination starts right after the crash, before Harbys laser.
http://www.reddit.co...t_breakthrough/
#49184
Posté 02 mai 2012 - 08:39
Unschuld wrote...
SS2Dante wrote...
The story progression of RvB is funny because once they realised they were making an actual serious story they had to desperately try and make it work with all the nutty stuff that came before
Wait a minute... RvB got serious? I stopped watching at season 2 (not because I didn't like it, but because I forgot it existed).
Well, it got sillier and sillier up to Season 5 (a man getting pregnant, time travel, all sorts of crazy stuff), but then it got pretty serious (but still hilarious) starting with Reconstruction (Season 6)
#49185
Posté 02 mai 2012 - 08:40
llbountyhunter wrote...
SS2Dante wrote...
llbountyhunter wrote...
I was talking about how the white light still technicaly happens (even though inside the hallucinion at this point.... (hey! you get multiple white lights in the geth consensus.))
You do, but you get a bright light to show you the start of the dream first. No such thing in the shuttle crash.
no such light at the beginning of every real dream either
Lol, I suppose that's true but you hardly need a hint to realise they're a dream
Modifié par SS2Dante, 02 mai 2012 - 08:43 .
#49186
Posté 02 mai 2012 - 08:41
HYR 2.0 wrote...
byne wrote...
The codex flat out says four dreadnoughts - less if they have Thanix cannons installed - can take down a sovereign class Reaper, and a single cruiser, or even just a group of single person fighters can take down a destroyer.
The codex also says the asari were doing a fairly good job of killing the Reapers until they switched tactics and started bombarding Thessia, which was when the asari switched from offensively fighting them, to defending Thessia. That is when the asari fleet started to lose.
Earth is already basically complete rubble, no need to defend it from bombardment.
Why Sovereign was like a million times more powerful than the actual Reapers fought in ME3, and as described in the Codex, I dont know, but it was. Hell, even in the space battle, you see a Reaper get destroyed by like two ships.
The Reapers could be defeated conventionally, it really isnt as hard as people would have you believe. Your idea that the amassed fleet could only take out 10 Sovereign-class reapers at best is just silly.
How many dreadnoughts are there? Per wiki...
Turians: 39 in ME2 (let's give them 45)
Asari: 20 in ME2 (let's give them 25)
Salarian: 15 in ME2 (let's give them 20)
Human: 9 in ME3
Volus: 1.
Say the accumulated fleets add you the equivalent of 50. We're at 150 of those ships. Now I'll round-up, to the nearest number divisible by four. 152. That equates to 38 dead Reapers.
Not all dreadnoughts will survive an encounter. Let's cut them down by a fourth, every encounter loses one ship. Down to, say, 116 (rounded up again for ease, and to be VERY optimistic). 29 more Reapers, and then 28/29 less ships. And now there are 88. 22 less Reapers, 22ish less ships.
68 ships take out 17; 52, +13/-13; 40, +10/-10; 32, 8/8; 24, 6/6; 20, 5/5; 16, 4/4; 12, 3/3; 8, 2/2; 4, 1/1. 3, out of ships, maybe one more for good measure.
Reapers destroyed: ~160. And again, I was pretty generous.
I guess it depends on how many Reapers you think are out there. If Reaper forces totaled somewhere around 1,000, that might be enough when you factor in all the other ships. But IMO, that number is probably more realistic somewhere around the 10,000's.
This is why I think we should have invested in Dreadnoughts and Mechs instead of the Crucible.
#49187
Posté 02 mai 2012 - 08:41
SS2Dante wrote...
It got both serious and AWESOME. It's basically fully animated now and the new season has freakin' Elijah Wood voice acting.
My stomach churns in disgust whenever I see Elijah Wood on screen because I usually find his roles revolting, but none the less that's pretty awesome. I'll have to check it out again.
#49188
Posté 02 mai 2012 - 08:44
Unschuld wrote...
SS2Dante wrote...
It got both serious and AWESOME. It's basically fully animated now and the new season has freakin' Elijah Wood voice acting.
My stomach churns in disgust whenever I see Elijah Wood on screen because I usually find his roles revolting, but none the less that's pretty awesome. I'll have to check it out again.
Have you watched Wilfred at all?
#49189
Posté 02 mai 2012 - 08:44
estebanus wrote...
estebanus wrote...
I don't know if you already participated in it, but there's an official survey going on about Mass Effect 3 in the german community. Jessica Merizan even tweeted it, so I would appericiate it if you would take the time to fill out the survey!
Link: http://www.masseffec...ts--id-974.html
Bump because it's not a bad idea to participate
bump
#49190
Posté 02 mai 2012 - 08:45
During Thane death scene the prayer he wrote for Shep goes like:
"Kalahira, this one's heart is pure, but beset by wickedness and contention.
Guide this one to where the traveler never tires, the lover never leaves, the hungry never starve.
Guide this one, Kalahira, and she will be a companion to you as she was to me."
Could this be foreshadowing about the inner struggle of Shepard against the subltle Indoctrination he/she is being fighting? I don't think that Thane might have been completely aware of the Indoc, but rather that was just another small innuendo thrown by the writers...
What do you think?
#49191
Posté 02 mai 2012 - 08:45
SS2Dante wrote...
SubAstris wrote...
I will just answer 4) very quickly, I'll do otherS a bit later. At the start of ME3, TIM is confident, he has Kai Leng on his side, one of the best assasins in the world, has a massive army, lots of time; at the end, it is just him and you. His fortunes have changed now, it has become more personal.
But in this scene he's about to WIN. He's standing at the control panel of the device he insists will allow him to control the Reapers (his stated goal throughout the game). And yet he never activates it, even though you're paralysed and can't stop him.
Exactly. He's much more interested in a mental battle with Shep than actually activating the device. Compare it to Saren, another indoctrinated being.
Saren wastes no time trying to stop shepard with tons of geth on Ilos, and leaving behind all sorts of army as he goes to operate the citadel arms. Saren's priority is to complete his goal, not try and convince Shepard that he's right. Although he does plenty of that as well, in an attempt to justify what he's doing.
It seems to me that if it was actually TIM on the citadel he would prefer to control the reapers and then gloat about it to Shep. He views Shepard as some in this topic might view SubAstris: too far gone in another line of thinking to be swayed to his side. Him needing Shep's approval so badly doesn't seem in character.
#49192
Posté 02 mai 2012 - 08:46
Unschuld wrote...
SS2Dante wrote...
It got both serious and AWESOME. It's basically fully animated now and the new season has freakin' Elijah Wood voice acting.
My stomach churns in disgust whenever I see Elijah Wood on screen because I usually find his roles revolting, but none the less that's pretty awesome. I'll have to check it out again.
http://www.youtube.c...9wtbzGjCI#t=94s
Just watch the 10 seconds after the moment I've linked and you'll see what I mean about the production values
#49193
Posté 02 mai 2012 - 08:47
byne wrote...
So, I just finished assaulting TIM's base and talking with Anderson about how the Citadel is now at Earth.
Traynor is all "Engineer Adams would like to speak with you, Commander."
I go talk to him and he's all "Could you keep an eye out for a thermal pipe the next time you're on the Citadel?" and Shep is all "Sure, I'll buy one next time I'm there."
You'd think Bioware would have disabled that mission after a certain point.
Does Adams expect me to pick up a thermal pipe before or after I chat with TIM and Anderson?
Maybe godchild will give me a good deal on one.
This is pretty good evidence that shows that BioWare is not infallable, and their game contains a host of things that could be considered bugs or defects rather than evidence of IT.
#49194
Posté 02 mai 2012 - 08:47
byne wrote...
So, I just finished assaulting TIM's base and talking with Anderson about how the Citadel is now at Earth.
Traynor is all "Engineer Adams would like to speak with you, Commander."
I go talk to him and he's all "Could you keep an eye out for a thermal pipe the next time you're on the Citadel?" and Shep is all "Sure, I'll buy one next time I'm there."
You'd think Bioware would have disabled that mission after a certain point.
Does Adams expect me to pick up a thermal pipe before or after I chat with TIM and Anderson?
Maybe godchild will give me a good deal on one.
You can pick one up from the Req terminal on deck 5
#49195
Posté 02 mai 2012 - 08:48
Is anyone else getting an impression that I'm ignored in this thread?paxxton wrote...
There is another scene besides ME3 ending in the series where TIM appears without his theme music playing in the background. When he tries to convince Shepard to spare the Collector base.
Modifié par paxxton, 02 mai 2012 - 08:48 .
#49196
Posté 02 mai 2012 - 08:48
SS2Dante wrote...
Unschuld wrote...
SS2Dante wrote...
It got both serious and AWESOME. It's basically fully animated now and the new season has freakin' Elijah Wood voice acting.
My stomach churns in disgust whenever I see Elijah Wood on screen because I usually find his roles revolting, but none the less that's pretty awesome. I'll have to check it out again.
http://www.youtube.c...9wtbzGjCI#t=94s
Just watch the 10 seconds after the moment I've linked and you'll see what I mean about the production values
The Falling Towards the Sky scene is pretty awesome too.
#49197
Posté 02 mai 2012 - 08:49
NotAnotherDisplayName wrote...
byne wrote...
So, I just finished assaulting TIM's base and talking with Anderson about how the Citadel is now at Earth.
Traynor is all "Engineer Adams would like to speak with you, Commander."
I go talk to him and he's all "Could you keep an eye out for a thermal pipe the next time you're on the Citadel?" and Shep is all "Sure, I'll buy one next time I'm there."
You'd think Bioware would have disabled that mission after a certain point.
Does Adams expect me to pick up a thermal pipe before or after I chat with TIM and Anderson?
Maybe godchild will give me a good deal on one.
This is pretty good evidence that shows that BioWare is not infallable, and their game contains a host of things that could be considered bugs or defects rather than evidence of IT.
*Sarcasm* Way to go Byne! You just gave them more ammo that Bioware is incompetant.
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#49198
Posté 02 mai 2012 - 08:49
Dracorequiem wrote...
Saren wastes no time trying to stop shepard with tons of geth on Ilos, and leaving behind all sorts of army as he goes to operate the citadel arms. Saren's priority is to complete his goal, not try and convince Shepard that he's right. Although he does plenty of that as well, in an attempt to justify what he's doing.
But we get the same kind of end speech from Saren in ME1 - he tries to tell you he's right and his way is the only way, the ultimate evolution with all of the benefits and none of the weakness of either synthetic or organic. Shepard convinces him he's wrong and he blows his brains out.
#49199
Posté 02 mai 2012 - 08:49
paxxton wrote...
paxxton wrote...
There is another scene besides ME3 ending in the series where TIM appears without his theme music playing in the background. When he tries to convince Shepard to spare the Collector base.
Is anyone else getting an impression that I'm ignored in this thread?
What? Did you say something? Sorry, wasn't listening.
But yeah, ill need confrimation on that to beleive it, but could be something.
#49200
Posté 02 mai 2012 - 08:49
balance5050 wrote...
Rosewind wrote...
What shuttle crash are you guys talking about?
Your shuttle crashed directly before the beam run. New analysis leads some of us to believe that the hallucination starts right after the crash, before Harbys laser.
http://www.reddit.co...t_breakthrough/
Still cant think of Shep being in a shuttle crash though....




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