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[Simon_Says]

byne wrote...

Well, all the raloi chickened out (are the raloi an avian species? I seem to remember that they were, and if so, pun definitely intended.) and retreated to their homeworld, then destroyed all their satellites, so I doubt any would be helping us. It would undermine their plan to appear too primitive to harvest.

Actually I'd like to see the birds introduced in a single-player DLC in something similar to the priority planets.

Imagine the potential setup. Normandy arrives at Turvess to seek assistance, but the raloi are already going into hiding. Reapers follow in pursuit, and broadcast a message to the raloi with an ultimatum: if they attempt to join the war, the Reapers destroy their world, if they don't they're spared. Shepard has to make a decision:

Convince the Raloi: Allied forces rescue as many raloi as possible in an exodus similar to that of the drell. Turvess and it's inhabitants are torched. The raloi become an endangered species, but should the current cycle be victorious they become heroes and fast-tracked into positions of power and respect in the galactic community.

Spare the Raloi: The raloi bunker down, dismantle their civilization and the reapers leave them be, for now. Depending on the location of their mass relay it could be destroyed, cutting them off from galactic civilization and mass effect technology forever. The raloi are again alone in the universe.

And that's just my idea. The raloi (and other Cerberus News Network storylines) are a goldmine of them.

Modifié par Simon_Says, 03 mai 2012 - 02:28 .

[McGrzegorz]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Actually, things have made alot of sense thus far... if you assume one thing.

My current theory is that the DLC plan they had designed would work like this;

Release ME3 - Some people finish quickly, refuse to discuss the endings, let them stew, and speculate, keep their interest up. Ending generates some discontent, but people are mostly satisfied, but wondering WTF was up with that wierd ending?

As people speculate, keep posting new events on the ANN, Alliance News Network

Do a multiplayer event every weekend, corresponding with some significant aspect of the war such as a major battle or operation.

Release multiplayer DLC every so often to correspond with different points, start with some of the most easily acquired races (and some of the fan favorites, because if they don't get them right away...)

Release single player DLC, correspinding with major battles, major events and major parts of the war, like the retaking of Omega. Be sure to work in a big tie in in the ANN and similar things.

Release minor tie in things such as the Datapad app, or Mass Effect Infiltrator.

Finally, a month or two later, maybe even more, release a HUGE DLC, or potentially even expansion pack with lots of pomp and trumpeting. Shepard is revealed to have hallucinated the last few minutes of the game if you've already gotten to the end. The DLC corresponds with the battle of Earth, which the ANN twitter feed has now caught up to, giving details of the invasion. It gets advertised as this huge Alternate Reality game, and the fans go wild.

Unfortunately, the whole thing got scuppered when part one of the plan failed. People were NOT satisfied with the ending. SO now they have to pull the EC direct out of their asses and heavily reconsider the whole schedule.

Irony's a **** huh?

Heh, I was about to write something similiar...

[byne]

Yknow, the ad in the store saying that I guess concept sketches or something are on sale now reminds me of something:

Why is Harby ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL of the prothean concept?

[Arian Dynas]

McGrzegorz wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Actually, things have made alot of sense thus far... if you assume one thing.

My current theory is that the DLC plan they had designed would work like this;

Release ME3 - Some people finish quickly, refuse to discuss the endings, let them stew, and speculate, keep their interest up. Ending generates some discontent, but people are mostly satisfied, but wondering WTF was up with that wierd ending?

As people speculate, keep posting new events on the ANN, Alliance News Network

Do a multiplayer event every weekend, corresponding with some significant aspect of the war such as a major battle or operation.

Release multiplayer DLC every so often to correspond with different points, start with some of the most easily acquired races (and some of the fan favorites, because if they don't get them right away...)

Release single player DLC, correspinding with major battles, major events and major parts of the war, like the retaking of Omega. Be sure to work in a big tie in in the ANN and similar things.

Release minor tie in things such as the Datapad app, or Mass Effect Infiltrator.

Finally, a month or two later, maybe even more, release a HUGE DLC, or potentially even expansion pack with lots of pomp and trumpeting. Shepard is revealed to have hallucinated the last few minutes of the game if you've already gotten to the end. The DLC corresponds with the battle of Earth, which the ANN twitter feed has now caught up to, giving details of the invasion. It gets advertised as this huge Alternate Reality game, and the fans go wild.

Unfortunately, the whole thing got scuppered when part one of the plan failed. People were NOT satisfied with the ending. SO now they have to pull the EC direct out of their asses and heavily reconsider the whole schedule.

Irony's a **** huh?

Heh, I was about to write something similiar...

Well Nyah!

You can't have it! It was mine first, mine mine mine. :happy:

Lol.

[Simon_Says]

Well as I said I had a source from within the ME team that said that they didn't expect such a negative reaction from the fanbase. Again I stress couldn't find out if it was by degree or type, but the team was bummed, that's for sure.

[Arian Dynas]

Simon_Says wrote...

Well as I said I had a source from within the ME team that said that they didn't expect such a negative reaction from the fanbase. Again I stress couldn't find out if it was by degree or type, but the team was bummed, that's for sure.

And they didn't plan on making the EC either. I personally say this is why. They figured it would be obvious, or if not obvious, at least we wouldn't get pissed about it, and tbh, why should they think we would? The Retake movement was pretty well unprecedented.

[Xavendithas]

Simon_Says wrote...

Well as I said I had a source from within the ME team that said that they didn't expect such a negative reaction from the fanbase. Again I stress couldn't find out if it was by degree or type, but the team was bummed, that's for sure.

It still baffles me that they didn't see this coming. Major advertisements urging you to 'take back' earth, coupled with all the claims that this would be the end of Shepards story... of course people are going to be upset when neither occurs convincingly.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

Well as I said I had a source from within the ME team that said that they didn't expect such a negative reaction from the fanbase. Again I stress couldn't find out if it was by degree or type, but the team was bummed, that's for sure.

And they didn't plan on making the EC either. I personally say this is why. They figured it would be obvious, or if not obvious, at least we wouldn't get pissed about it, and tbh, why should they think we would? The Retake movement was pretty well unprecedented.

I really don't think Indoctrination Theory is obvious, (if it turns out ot be true) it's very subtle. I thought something was off about the endings to begin with but the word indoctrination didn't enter my mind till I hopped on the forums and saw this thread. But maybe they meant it to be subtle (player indoctrination) in which case bravo.

[byne]

Xavendithas wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

Well as I said I had a source from within the ME team that said that they didn't expect such a negative reaction from the fanbase. Again I stress couldn't find out if it was by degree or type, but the team was bummed, that's for sure.

It still baffles me that they didn't see this coming. Major advertisements urging you to 'take back' earth, coupled with all the claims that this would be the end of Shepards story... of course people are going to be upset when neither occurs convincingly.

Plus statements like 'It wont be like other games where you can say you got ending A, B, or C' and then they literally give us ending A, B, and C are bound to ****** people off.

[Arian Dynas]

byne wrote...

Xavendithas wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

Well as I said I had a source from within the ME team that said that they didn't expect such a negative reaction from the fanbase. Again I stress couldn't find out if it was by degree or type, but the team was bummed, that's for sure.

It still baffles me that they didn't see this coming. Major advertisements urging you to 'take back' earth, coupled with all the claims that this would be the end of Shepards story... of course people are going to be upset when neither occurs convincingly.

Plus statements like 'It wont be like other games where you can say you got ending A, B, or C' and then they literally give us ending A, B, and C are bound to ****** people off.

I think they were meant to make people question the ending more, rather than end up being seen as liars.

[Xavendithas]

byne wrote...

Xavendithas wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

Well as I said I had a source from within the ME team that said that they didn't expect such a negative reaction from the fanbase. Again I stress couldn't find out if it was by degree or type, but the team was bummed, that's for sure.

It still baffles me that they didn't see this coming. Major advertisements urging you to 'take back' earth, coupled with all the claims that this would be the end of Shepards story... of course people are going to be upset when neither occurs convincingly.

Plus statements like 'It wont be like other games where you can say you got ending A, B, or C' and then they literally give us ending A, B, and C are bound to ****** people off.

Yeah, I have a friend who just finished the game(having only played ME3 due to RL stuffs) and has sworn off BioWare stuff for the foreseeable future. I feel really bad for the casuals who picked the game up and got such an unconvincing ending.

[NotAnotherDisplayName]

Arian Dynas wrote...

byne wrote...

Xavendithas wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

Well as I said I had a source from within the ME team that said that they didn't expect such a negative reaction from the fanbase. Again I stress couldn't find out if it was by degree or type, but the team was bummed, that's for sure.

It still baffles me that they didn't see this coming. Major advertisements urging you to 'take back' earth, coupled with all the claims that this would be the end of Shepards story... of course people are going to be upset when neither occurs convincingly.

Plus statements like 'It wont be like other games where you can say you got ending A, B, or C' and then they literally give us ending A, B, and C are bound to ****** people off.

I think they were meant to make people question the ending more, rather than end up being seen as liars.

^^ This

If you qeustion it, both IT and non IT work for them.  Instead they had a suit filed with the government for 'false advertising'

[NotAnotherDisplayName]

Xavendithas wrote...


Yeah, I have a friend who just finished the game(having only played ME3 due to RL stuffs) and has sworn off BioWare stuff for the foreseeable future. I feel really bad for the casuals who picked the game up and got such an unconvincing ending.

I honestly don't think the 'casuals' are as upset about it- many of the things the forumites on here declare as space magic a casual fan may just write off as sci-fi.  When Kirk does something wrong on Star Trek, the casual fan couldn't care, but the people who dig into the fiction are furious.

I've talked to a fair number (by no means a scientific survey mind you) who played it and didn't dive into it that aren't that upset.

though they should've had a hint this would happen based on the reaction to the last book they published

Modifié par NotAnotherDisplayName, 03 mai 2012 - 02:36 .

[byne]

>spilled coke on keyboard
>dried it off with paper towels
>somehow opened new tab and went to 4chan while cleaning keyboard

I dont even know how I managed that

[TheConstantOne]

Any news or interesting ideas going around?

[NotAnotherDisplayName]

TheConstantOne wrote...

Any news or interesting ideas going around?

Trees in the cubemap
Definition of speculation
The cinematic from the Arrival DLC

When did you last leave off?

[balance5050]

Casey Hudson -


 "As things progress in the high-level storyline, we’re constantly trying to do redirects. You think you win the war by doing one thing, and then you realize it’s something else."


"What we’re doing with Mass Effect 3 that’s a little bit different than what we’ve done before is exploring the idea of getting the player to understand and feel what Commander Shepard is experiencing versus just reacting to other characters."


"We end up exploring some spaces that maybe have never been done before. Because interactive storytelling is still kind of new, there are neat things to try. One of the things we’re trying in Mass Effect 3 is the idea that we can let you feel something that is part of that character’s experience versus strictly getting you to react to things that you see and experience. We’re trying to tell a little bit of the story Shepard would feel and seeing if the player feels that as well. "

http://www.gameinfor...PostPageIndex=1 

Modifié par balance5050, 03 mai 2012 - 02:44 .

[Xavendithas]

NotAnotherDisplayName wrote...

Xavendithas wrote...


Yeah, I have a friend who just finished the game(having only played ME3 due to RL stuffs) and has sworn off BioWare stuff for the foreseeable future. I feel really bad for the casuals who picked the game up and got such an unconvincing ending.

I honestly don't think the 'casuals' are as upset about it- many of the things the forumites on here declare as space magic a casual fan may just write off as sci-fi.  When Kirk does something wrong on Star Trek, the casual fan couldn't care, but the people who dig into the fiction are furious.

I've talked to a fair number (by no means a scientific survey mind you) who played it and didn't dive into it that aren't that upset.

though they should've had a hint this would happen based on the reaction to the last book they published

Good point. Now that I think about it the people I view as casuals in regards to this situation are just as nerdy as myself but, they are passionate about different things(i.e. Game of Thrones, Dragonlance, etc.) Probably not the best sampling of people to write off as casuals, lol.

[NotAnotherDisplayName]

balance5050 wrote...

 "As things progress in the high-level storyline, we’re constantly trying to do redirects. You think you win the war by doing one thing, and then you realize it’s something else."


"What we’re doing with Mass Effect 3 that’s a little bit different than what we’ve done before is exploring the idea of getting the player to understand and feel what Commander Shepard is experiencing versus just reacting to other characters."


"We end up exploring some spaces that maybe have never been done before. Because interactive storytelling is still kind of new, there are neat things to try. One of the things we’re trying in Mass Effect 3 is the idea that we can let you feel something that is part of that character’s experience versus strictly getting you to react to things that you see and experience. We’re trying to tell a little bit of the story Shepard would feel and seeing if the player feels that as well. "

http://www.gameinfor...PostPageIndex=1 

Nicely found

[TheConstantOne]

NotAnotherDisplayName wrote...

TheConstantOne wrote...

Any news or interesting ideas going around?

Trees in the cubemap
Definition of speculation
The cinematic from the Arrival DLC

When did you last leave off?

I remember the cubemap trees and I believe I left once the speculations on speculation started hahaha. It was getting a bit nonsensical for me at that point.

I've seen the cinematic before so I guess I'm all caught up. 

I was hoping for something on par with the Coates theory from yesterday. That was a spectacular read and would fit well with IT

[TheConstantOne]

Xavendithas wrote...

NotAnotherDisplayName wrote...

Xavendithas wrote...


Yeah, I have a friend who just finished the game(having only played ME3 due to RL stuffs) and has sworn off BioWare stuff for the foreseeable future. I feel really bad for the casuals who picked the game up and got such an unconvincing ending.

I honestly don't think the 'casuals' are as upset about it- many of the things the forumites on here declare as space magic a casual fan may just write off as sci-fi.  When Kirk does something wrong on Star Trek, the casual fan couldn't care, but the people who dig into the fiction are furious.

I've talked to a fair number (by no means a scientific survey mind you) who played it and didn't dive into it that aren't that upset.

though they should've had a hint this would happen based on the reaction to the last book they published

Good point. Now that I think about it the people I view as casuals in regards to this situation are just as nerdy as myself but, they are passionate about different things(i.e. Game of Thrones, Dragonlance, etc.) Probably not the best sampling of people to write off as casuals, lol.

I can probably be considered a casual in regards to the ending though I am passionate about the game.  Personally  my view is this: I've rationalized a literalist (more or less) ending so that the story has closure while I wait for EC verification.  Once EC comes out, I will be extremely pleased if Bioware goes with IT because of how incredible the story becomes

[NotAnotherDisplayName]

TheConstantOne wrote...

I remember the cubemap trees and I believe I left once the speculations on speculation started hahaha. It was getting a bit nonsensical for me at that point.

I've seen the cinematic before so I guess I'm all caught up. 

I was hoping for something on par with the Coates theory from yesterday. That was a spectacular read and would fit well with IT

Unforutnately I've seen nothing new, though I did skip a ton of pages myself

[NotAnotherDisplayName]

TheConstantOne wrote...

I can probably be considered a casual in regards to the ending though I am passionate about the game.  Personally  my view is this: I've rationalized a literalist (more or less) ending so that the story has closure while I wait for EC verification.  Once EC comes out, I will be extremely pleased if Bioware goes with IT because of how incredible the story becomes

Not trolling, or trying to be a dick here- how did you rationalize the breath?  Just as a 'oooh what if?' scene?  That's the one part in the ending that absolutely drives me nuts.  I can live with many other bits of it, but I keep coming back to the secret ending.

I'm with you though, I'll be super happy if it turns out to be IT, but I'm not going to boycott them regardless.

[Arbalor4]

We cant stop so close to 2000 were almost there

[TheConstantOne]

NotAnotherDisplayName wrote...

TheConstantOne wrote...

I remember the cubemap trees and I believe I left once the speculations on speculation started hahaha. It was getting a bit nonsensical for me at that point.

I've seen the cinematic before so I guess I'm all caught up. 

I was hoping for something on par with the Coates theory from yesterday. That was a spectacular read and would fit well with IT

Unforutnately I've seen nothing new, though I did skip a ton of pages myself

One of these days, they should announce something about the EC. That will give us something to talk about