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[TheConstantOne]

Salient Archer wrote...

*snip*

So, that’s my rant out of the way! I’d love to hear thought and opinions from either side of the IT camps

Pretty well reasoned.  A lot of thoughts of this variety were going around WAAAAAYYYYYYY back in the beginning.  I think greywardencommander had a pretty similar interpretation as you.

My problem with conventional IT's take on the control ending is this: as you said, it IS a possible low EMS choice for those who kept the collector base.  I have a different take on it then you do. What if Shepard figured that whatever evil the illusive man would cause with the tech was better than outright extinction?  Fight the Reapers first and then worry about Cerberus? Shepard's resolve to destroy the Reapers was so great that s/he was willing to sacrifice lives to make sure that they could be stopped.  That suggests a *higher* default resolve to me, not lower.  So why make the default choice control=complete indoctrination?

So I have two counter arguments for you to think about.  They come from both my literalist side and my IT side

Literalist: The biggest difference the base makes in the game is whether the Reaper Heart or Brain is in the Crucible.  Since those different components lead to different default choices, is it not logical to assume that the Crucible's construction plays a role in the order the choices are presented?

IT alternative: What if the Illusive Man/Anderson scene was really the indoctrination scene?  Once Reaper Bieber's scene comes up, Shepard WILL escape indoctrination.  Perhaps the 3 choices offer 3 different ways out of indoctrination, each having different end consequences: a good/bad flavor for control and destroy and one single variety for synthesis?

Let me know what you think 

[blooregard]

I figure it wouldn't be possible to get a dev's opinion on that game informer quote woud it?

[NotAnotherDisplayName]

blooregard wrote...

I figure it wouldn't be possible to get a dev's opinion on that game informer quote woud it?

If you're looking for a Bioware dev to chime in on the Casey Hudson quote, I don't think we're going to see one until the EC is out the door.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

So here's a fun fact I might have already mentioned. Figured this out thanks to a friend playing through ME3, non-import, 6000+ EMS, 100% readiness, less than 100% reputation. I had beaten the game a week prior, got the secret ending (shepard's breath), wasn't sure if you needed import or NG+ to get it, but kept telling him to pick the red ending once he got there anyway, without spoiling it for him. So he gets to the TIM confrontation and doesn't have the reputation to "paragon the ****" out of him," Anderson dies.

Because of this, his ONLY two options are Control and Synthesis, he didn't even get the destroy cutscene showing Anderson, the Destroy tube was empty on that side. I theorize that, if Anderson represents your willpower in this hallucination, and you fail to stop his outright execution you lack the necessary willpower to overcome Indoctrination, having no option to Destroy the attempt whatsoever. Whereas if you save Anderson, he dies anyway, but not by TIMs/The Reapers hand, and he's able to offer words of encouragement which gives you the boost in willpower that makes the Destroy option available.

OR

According to the choice system/mechanics you just don't have enough reputation points to have all 3 options available. My friend's playing through again with a fully imported character soon (still working on ME2) so we'll see how that goes.

Modifié par gunslinger_ruiz, 03 mai 2012 - 04:17 .

[NotAnotherDisplayName]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...


OR

According to the choice system/mechanics you just don't have enough reputation points to have all 3 options available. My friend's playing through again with a fully imported character soon (still working on ME2) so we'll see how that goes.

Going mechanics only, saving Anderson gives you something like +1k EMS, and it's been reported that this can push you over the limit to get you the 'secret' ending.  So enough rep but not enough points, saving him can really help you.

This, to me, ties neatly into the theory that Anderson is your will (along with the gunshot and bleeding, which someone finally explained to me in a way that made more sense than the bleeding one scene and not in another).

[Auralius Carolus]

TheConstantOne wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

TheConstantOne wrote...

I was hoping for something on par with the Coates theory from yesterday. That was a spectacular read and would fit well with IT

Oh that was a brilliant bit of thinking on that guys part. Really shows that there are still things to find and think about, and that the more we search, the stronger our little fanfiction becomes.

For all the vagueness surrounding the ending, whether it be real or indoctrination, I honestly think it was worth it solely for this kind of meaningful discussion from us fans.  This level of discussion and passion would likely not have shown itself had the ending gone differently.  Not to mention the effect that this will have on the entire gaming industry... ME 3 left its mark.  That is undeniable

Coats is a figure that the design team put some time into- enough to run him in a cinematic. Giving a character who only has very limited run time/impact in the story a main feed in a CGI is odd. Also, note that Coats- in the teaser- claims not to know what the Reapers are yet knows about Shepard's mission to get help. With Anderson leading Earth's resistance and being one of the only people who knows both about the Reapers and Shepard's flight, then the question must be begged: How does Coats know one without the other?

But about the CGIs- I have a hypothesis: We're not being shown everything yet. In the Take Earth Back cinematic trailer, it is clear that events shown are out of sequential order and that events from the original teaser with Coats were withheld, only to be added in in TEB. When one dissects the TEB Cinematic, placing each minute event slide in its proper sequence, it appears that they were cut from a longer feed and that parts are still missing.

Given that the actual Shepard slides from TEB never transpire in ME3, (but can certainly be deemed important and parallel with game production), but that other events did, this is what I suggests: the entirity of these cinematics are being withheld, likely for the EC launch. This would, in turn, suggest that the "post-Reaper clean up duty" shown in TEB is a real possibility and that Coats is a stepping stone to get there. The possible relationship, (i.e., indoctrination, betrayal), would be be first revealed in the missing cuts. So what would we be getting? An Extended Cut.

Modifié par Auralius Carolus, 03 mai 2012 - 04:46 .

[NoSpin]

balance5050 wrote...

Casey Hudson -


 "As things progress in the high-level storyline, we’re constantly trying to do redirects. You think you win the war by doing one thing, and then you realize it’s something else."


"What we’re doing with Mass Effect 3 that’s a little bit different than what we’ve done before is exploring the idea of getting the player to understand and feel what Commander Shepard is experiencing versus just reacting to other characters."


"We end up exploring some spaces that maybe have never been done before. Because interactive storytelling is still kind of new, there are neat things to try. One of the things we’re trying in Mass Effect 3 is the idea that we can let you feel something that is part of that character’s experience versus strictly getting you to react to things that you see and experience. We’re trying to tell a little bit of the story Shepard would feel and seeing if the player feels that as well. "

http://www.gameinfor...PostPageIndex=1 

Holy frick on a stick with a brick.

[balance5050]

NoSpin wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Casey Hudson -


 "As things progress in the high-level storyline, we’re constantly trying to do redirects. You think you win the war by doing one thing, and then you realize it’s something else."


"What we’re doing with Mass Effect 3 that’s a little bit different than what we’ve done before is exploring the idea of getting the player to understand and feel what Commander Shepard is experiencing versus just reacting to other characters."


"We end up exploring some spaces that maybe have never been done before. Because interactive storytelling is still kind of new, there are neat things to try. One of the things we’re trying in Mass Effect 3 is the idea that we can let you feel something that is part of that character’s experience versus strictly getting you to react to things that you see and experience. We’re trying to tell a little bit of the story Shepard would feel and seeing if the player feels that as well. "

http://www.gameinfor...PostPageIndex=1 

Holy frick on a stick with a brick.

Indeed, I feel like I'm stuck in time until the EC comes out.

[BatmanTurian]

I'm still back on page 1962 but I have to ask: Why did you guys even engage with HYR 2.0 in the first place? He's pro-synthesis, his L.I. is Jack, and he has no counterpoints other than " I'm right, you're wrong and deluded. "

I mean the pro-synthesis part was an obvious neon sign that accurately translates to indoctrinated idiot.

[TheConstantOne]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Coates is a figure that the design team put some time into- enough to run him in a cinematic. Giving a character who only has very limited run time/impact in the story a main feed in a CGI is odd. Also, note that Coates- in the teaser- claims not to know what the Reapers are yet knows about Shepard's mission to get help. With Anderson leading Earth's resistance and being one of the only people who knows both about the Reapers and Shepard's flight, then the question must be begged: How does Coates know one without the other?

But about the CGIs- I have a hypothesis: We're not being shown everything yet. In the Take Earth Back cinematic trailer, it is clear that events shown are out of sequential order and that events from the original teaser with Coates were withheld, only to be added in in TEB. When one dissects the TEB Cinematic, placing each minute event slide in its proper sequence, it appears that they were cut from a longer feed and that parts are still missing.

Given that the actual Shepard slides from TEB never transpire in ME3, (but can certainly be deemed important and parallel with game production), but that other events did, this is what I suggests: the entirity of these cinematics are being withheld, likely for the EC launch. This would, in turn, suggest that the "post-Reaper clean up duty" shown in TEB is a real possibility and that Coates is a stepping stone to get there. The possible relationship, (i.e., indoctrination, betrayal), would be be first revealed in the missing cuts. So what would we be getting? An Extended Cut.

You may be on to something.  You are certainly correct about putting such a minor character in CGI (in the announcement trailer no less!) as being very unusual.  I had wondered about this myself but I never pieced together the potential sabotage work being done by Coates.  If it's true that he is indoctinated....he just became very significant 

[TheConstantOne]

balance5050 wrote...

NoSpin wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Casey Hudson -


 "As things progress in the high-level storyline, we’re constantly trying to do redirects. You think you win the war by doing one thing, and then you realize it’s something else."


"What we’re doing with Mass Effect 3 that’s a little bit different than what we’ve done before is exploring the idea of getting the player to understand and feel what Commander Shepard is experiencing versus just reacting to other characters."


"We end up exploring some spaces that maybe have never been done before. Because interactive storytelling is still kind of new, there are neat things to try. One of the things we’re trying in Mass Effect 3 is the idea that we can let you feel something that is part of that character’s experience versus strictly getting you to react to things that you see and experience. We’re trying to tell a little bit of the story Shepard would feel and seeing if the player feels that as well. "

http://www.gameinfor...PostPageIndex=1 

Holy frick on a stick with a brick.

Indeed, I feel like I'm stuck in time until the EC comes out.

You probably are.  Controlloing time has apparently been added to Bioware's arsenal 

[byne]

BatmanTurian wrote...

I'm still back on page 1962 but I have to ask: Why did you guys even engage with HYR 2.0 in the first place? He's pro-synthesis, his L.I. is Jack, and he has no counterpoints other than " I'm right, you're wrong and deluded. "

I mean the pro-synthesis part was an obvious neon sign that accurately translates to indoctrinated idiot.

Nothin wrong with that. Jack is awesome. If not for Tali she'd be the best maleshep LI imo.

[iggy1eco]

TheConstantOne wrote...

I was hoping for something on par with the Coates theory from yesterday. That was a spectacular read and would fit well with IT

lol Coates from turnCoat sounds almost convinient by name, and also, sooo clever that is hard to believe xD Not saying that Bioware isn't capable of smart thoug, because they totally are and delivered with it, but still...=p

[NoSpin]

TheConstantOne wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Coates is a figure that the design team put some time into- enough to run him in a cinematic. Giving a character who only has very limited run time/impact in the story a main feed in a CGI is odd. Also, note that Coates- in the teaser- claims not to know what the Reapers are yet knows about Shepard's mission to get help. With Anderson leading Earth's resistance and being one of the only people who knows both about the Reapers and Shepard's flight, then the question must be begged: How does Coates know one without the other?

But about the CGIs- I have a hypothesis: We're not being shown everything yet. In the Take Earth Back cinematic trailer, it is clear that events shown are out of sequential order and that events from the original teaser with Coates were withheld, only to be added in in TEB. When one dissects the TEB Cinematic, placing each minute event slide in its proper sequence, it appears that they were cut from a longer feed and that parts are still missing.

Given that the actual Shepard slides from TEB never transpire in ME3, (but can certainly be deemed important and parallel with game production), but that other events did, this is what I suggests: the entirity of these cinematics are being withheld, likely for the EC launch. This would, in turn, suggest that the "post-Reaper clean up duty" shown in TEB is a real possibility and that Coates is a stepping stone to get there. The possible relationship, (i.e., indoctrination, betrayal), would be be first revealed in the missing cuts. So what would we be getting? An Extended Cut.

You may be on to something.  You are certainly correct about putting such a minor character in CGI (in the announcement trailer no less!) as being very unusual.  I had wondered about this myself but I never pieced together the potential sabotage work being done by Coates.  If it's true that he is indoctinated....he just became very significant 

Playing Devil's Advocate here..... I have heard some people say that the ONLY reason Coates was given a name was because fans wanted to know who the bad*** was in Big Ben, so Bioware included him.

[BatmanTurian]

byne wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

I'm still back on page 1962 but I have to ask: Why did you guys even engage with HYR 2.0 in the first place? He's pro-synthesis, his L.I. is Jack, and he has no counterpoints other than " I'm right, you're wrong and deluded. "

I mean the pro-synthesis part was an obvious neon sign that accurately translates to indoctrinated idiot.

Nothin wrong with that. Jack is awesome. If not for Tali she'd be the best maleshep LI imo.

Jack is awesome in combat but her personality, values, and lifestyle leave much to be desired...

[byne]

NoSpin wrote...

TheConstantOne wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Coates is a figure that the design team put some time into- enough to run him in a cinematic. Giving a character who only has very limited run time/impact in the story a main feed in a CGI is odd. Also, note that Coates- in the teaser- claims not to know what the Reapers are yet knows about Shepard's mission to get help. With Anderson leading Earth's resistance and being one of the only people who knows both about the Reapers and Shepard's flight, then the question must be begged: How does Coates know one without the other?

But about the CGIs- I have a hypothesis: We're not being shown everything yet. In the Take Earth Back cinematic trailer, it is clear that events shown are out of sequential order and that events from the original teaser with Coates were withheld, only to be added in in TEB. When one dissects the TEB Cinematic, placing each minute event slide in its proper sequence, it appears that they were cut from a longer feed and that parts are still missing.

Given that the actual Shepard slides from TEB never transpire in ME3, (but can certainly be deemed important and parallel with game production), but that other events did, this is what I suggests: the entirity of these cinematics are being withheld, likely for the EC launch. This would, in turn, suggest that the "post-Reaper clean up duty" shown in TEB is a real possibility and that Coates is a stepping stone to get there. The possible relationship, (i.e., indoctrination, betrayal), would be be first revealed in the missing cuts. So what would we be getting? An Extended Cut.

You may be on to something.  You are certainly correct about putting such a minor character in CGI (in the announcement trailer no less!) as being very unusual.  I had wondered about this myself but I never pieced together the potential sabotage work being done by Coates.  If it's true that he is indoctinated....he just became very significant 

Playing Devil's Advocate here..... I have heard some people say that the ONLY reason Coates was given a name was because fans wanted to know who the bad*** was in Big Ben, so Bioware included him.

Coates is a pretty stupid name though.

I remember when I first heard his name my first thought was "At least it isnt something like Major Boots.", then I for some reason pictured a cat dressed up like a marine named Major Boots.

Havent been able to take Coates seriously since then.

Modifié par byne, 03 mai 2012 - 04:42 .

[BleedingUranium]

iggy1eco wrote...

TheConstantOne wrote...

I was hoping for something on par with the Coates theory from yesterday. That was a spectacular read and would fit well with IT

lol Coates from turnCoat sounds almost convinient by name, and also, sooo clever that is hard to believe xD Not saying that Bioware isn't capable of smart thoug, because they totally are and delivered with it, but still...=p

This just seems way too perfect to not be at least mostly true. I always liked Coats, but at the same time something seemed odd about him. Something other than putting so much effort into a character that got very little time on screen.

Maybe in EC you'll be on the Citadel for real with Anderson and Coats as squadmates... I've always thought they should've been squadmates at the end somewhere.

[byne]

BatmanTurian wrote...

byne wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

I'm still back on page 1962 but I have to ask: Why did you guys even engage with HYR 2.0 in the first place? He's pro-synthesis, his L.I. is Jack, and he has no counterpoints other than " I'm right, you're wrong and deluded. "

I mean the pro-synthesis part was an obvious neon sign that accurately translates to indoctrinated idiot.

Nothin wrong with that. Jack is awesome. If not for Tali she'd be the best maleshep LI imo.

Jack is awesome in combat but her personality, values, and lifestyle leave much to be desired...

Jack sucks in combat. I think only Mordin is weaker than her. I like Jack's personality. Didnt like her much till I actually romanced her, but when I did I liked her a lot.

[TheConstantOne]

 

iggy1eco wrote...


lol Coates from turnCoat sounds almost convinient by name, and also, sooo clever that is hard to believe xD Not saying that Bioware isn't capable of smart thoug, because they totally are and delivered with it, but still...=p

Haha Coates the Turncoat: the next best thing to hit the ME universe since Marauder Shields 

NoSpin wrote...


Playing Devil's Advocate here..... I have heard some people say that the ONLY reason Coates was given a name was because fans wanted to know who the bad*** was in Big Ben, so Bioware included him.

That's possible.  It is a lot less interesting of a scenario but certainly possible 

[BatmanTurian]

byne wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

byne wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

I'm still back on page 1962 but I have to ask: Why did you guys even engage with HYR 2.0 in the first place? He's pro-synthesis, his L.I. is Jack, and he has no counterpoints other than " I'm right, you're wrong and deluded. "

I mean the pro-synthesis part was an obvious neon sign that accurately translates to indoctrinated idiot.

Nothin wrong with that. Jack is awesome. If not for Tali she'd be the best maleshep LI imo.

Jack is awesome in combat but her personality, values, and lifestyle leave much to be desired...

Jack sucks in combat. I think only Mordin is weaker than her. I like Jack's personality. Didnt like her much till I actually romanced her, but when I did I liked her a lot.

fair enough. I never romanced her. My other two points stand I think. Sorry if they sounded harsh.

[TheConstantOne]

byne wrote...

NoSpin wrote...

TheConstantOne wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Coates is a figure that the design team put some time into- enough to run him in a cinematic. Giving a character who only has very limited run time/impact in the story a main feed in a CGI is odd. Also, note that Coates- in the teaser- claims not to know what the Reapers are yet knows about Shepard's mission to get help. With Anderson leading Earth's resistance and being one of the only people who knows both about the Reapers and Shepard's flight, then the question must be begged: How does Coates know one without the other?

But about the CGIs- I have a hypothesis: We're not being shown everything yet. In the Take Earth Back cinematic trailer, it is clear that events shown are out of sequential order and that events from the original teaser with Coates were withheld, only to be added in in TEB. When one dissects the TEB Cinematic, placing each minute event slide in its proper sequence, it appears that they were cut from a longer feed and that parts are still missing.

Given that the actual Shepard slides from TEB never transpire in ME3, (but can certainly be deemed important and parallel with game production), but that other events did, this is what I suggests: the entirity of these cinematics are being withheld, likely for the EC launch. This would, in turn, suggest that the "post-Reaper clean up duty" shown in TEB is a real possibility and that Coates is a stepping stone to get there. The possible relationship, (i.e., indoctrination, betrayal), would be be first revealed in the missing cuts. So what would we be getting? An Extended Cut.

You may be on to something.  You are certainly correct about putting such a minor character in CGI (in the announcement trailer no less!) as being very unusual.  I had wondered about this myself but I never pieced together the potential sabotage work being done by Coates.  If it's true that he is indoctinated....he just became very significant 

Playing Devil's Advocate here..... I have heard some people say that the ONLY reason Coates was given a name was because fans wanted to know who the bad*** was in Big Ben, so Bioware included him.

Coates is a pretty stupid name though.

I remember when I first heard his name my first thought was "At least it isnt something like Major Boots.", then I for some reason pictured a cat dressed up like a marine named Major Boots.

Havent been able to take Coates seriously since then.

A cat named Major Boots... You should watch out for his buddy Corporal Green. I've heard he's a nasty, swamp-native ogre

[Rifneno]

Hmm. Missed a lot it looks like. Sorry for absence. Blame whoever brought up Witcher and got me replaying it. That and an ill-advised thread on Javik's drivel have been taking up my time.

Simon_Says wrote...

Also, playable vorcha is... stupid. But still a possibility. Geth characters don't make much sense either unless we all assume that the Priority: Rannoch canonically brings both sides of that conflict into the war. I'd still be happier with an elcor or volus character. Or better: raloi.

Elcor aren't humanoid, you won't see them playable. I guarantee it. Volus are technically humanoid, but they don't have the natural ability to move worth a damn in the enviorment of other playable races. Plus they blow up if their suit is punctured. Literally. So I'd be shocked if they're ever playable either. Raloi exist for the sole purpose of Bioware making a bird flu joke, and they pretty much wrote them out of the lore afterwards. You're also pretty much guaranteed not to see playable hanar. A race has to be humanoid with opposable digits to use guns, and has to have reasonable mobility.

Geth being playable makes exactly as much sense as quarian. You can wipe out the quarians just as easily as the geth.

Arian Dynas wrote...

And for the record, Superman is FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR from the "Last Son of Krypton" Like, comically so. (heh comically.)

Kinda OT, but didn't they retcon the other kryptonians away? Back when they did the Crisis of Infinite Earths storyline in the 80's? Before that, yeah, there were Kryptonians on every street corner. I don't read the comics or watch the cartoons but I know I've read they actually fixed that "last son of Krypton" to be accurate. Characters either ceased to exist afterwards (Supergirl) or were written as being from somewhere else (like that city in a jar).

byne wrote...

Yknow, the ad in the store saying that I guess concept sketches or something are on sale now reminds me of something:

Why is Harby ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL of the prothean concept?

... That... is a very good question.

It bears mentioning that his horrible excuse for logic is the same as starkid's. "OMG teh machines will kill us all!!!!!!11111" I always wrote it off as the Protheans being ****s, but when you mention that pic it makes me wonder if Javik is actually in the early stages of indoctrination...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Holy ****. Consider me sold.

While that was an excellent find by balance5050 (congrats BTW), I have to ask... you weren't already?

Athlonis1 wrote...

This is true, but I'd like to argue that you have to take this with a grain a salt. You must understand that Indoc essentially boils down to "the ending was so bad we'd rather believe it was a(n indoctrination) dream/nightmare rather than the real ending".

No it doesn't. People need to stop saying that. It's just more "everything is because Bioware is lazy" nonsense.

Simon_Says wrote...

In other news, literalists still can't explain how Anderson getting shot by TIM raises the EMS limit required for Shepard to survive by a thousand.

You could've stopped at "literalists still can't explain". Because there's just so many ways to end that sentence.

[iggy1eco]

BleedingUranium wrote...

iggy1eco wrote...

TheConstantOne wrote...

I was hoping for something on par with the Coates theory from yesterday. That was a spectacular read and would fit well with IT

lol Coates from turnCoat sounds almost convinient by name, and also, sooo clever that is hard to believe xD Not saying that Bioware isn't capable of smart thoug, because they totally are and delivered with it, but still...=p

This just seems way too perfect to not be at least mostly true. I always liked Coats, but at the same time something seemed odd about him. Something other than putting so much effort into a character that got very little time on screen.

Maybe in EC you'll be on the Citadel for real with Anderson and Coats as squadmates... I've always thought they should've been squadmates at the end somewhere.

yeah, seems more like a "nitpicking" theory to add to the theory lol. Personally never had much curiosity about "who's the guy in Big Ben", besides just seeing a soldier and a man trying to survive. But having him as a temporary squadmate would be something new since he had some screentime and sniped a Reaper with style =p

[BleedingUranium]

byne wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

byne wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

I'm still back on page 1962 but I have to ask: Why did you guys even engage with HYR 2.0 in the first place? He's pro-synthesis, his L.I. is Jack, and he has no counterpoints other than " I'm right, you're wrong and deluded. "

I mean the pro-synthesis part was an obvious neon sign that accurately translates to indoctrinated idiot.

Nothin wrong with that. Jack is awesome. If not for Tali she'd be the best maleshep LI imo.

Jack is awesome in combat but her personality, values, and lifestyle leave much to be desired...

Jack sucks in combat. I think only Mordin is weaker than her. I like Jack's personality. Didnt like her much till I actually romanced her, but when I did I liked her a lot.

I watched the LI related vids for Jack, and I agree, I really like her after she opens up, but I'll stick with Liara... and Miri, I can't decide. Don't worry, seperate playthroughs

[byne]

BleedingUranium wrote...

byne wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

byne wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

I'm still back on page 1962 but I have to ask: Why did you guys even engage with HYR 2.0 in the first place? He's pro-synthesis, his L.I. is Jack, and he has no counterpoints other than " I'm right, you're wrong and deluded. "

I mean the pro-synthesis part was an obvious neon sign that accurately translates to indoctrinated idiot.

Nothin wrong with that. Jack is awesome. If not for Tali she'd be the best maleshep LI imo.

Jack is awesome in combat but her personality, values, and lifestyle leave much to be desired...

Jack sucks in combat. I think only Mordin is weaker than her. I like Jack's personality. Didnt like her much till I actually romanced her, but when I did I liked her a lot.

I watched the LI related vids for Jack, and I agree, I really like her after she opens up, but I'll stick with Liara... and Miri, I can't decide. Don't worry, seperate playthroughs

I just realized that when listing Tali and Jack as the two best maleshep LIs, I didnt even include Liara...

I dont know why, but I dislike Liara and MaleShep so much I dont even consider it an option.

Liara/FemShep is by far my favorite though.