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[Big Bad]

Damnit, Byne! Now I want to get a cat just so I can name it Major Boots!

[TheConstantOne]

Rifneno wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

In other news, literalists still can't explain how Anderson getting shot by TIM raises the EMS limit required for Shepard to survive by a thousand.

You could've stopped at "literalists still can't explain". Because there's just so many ways to end that sentence.

It's true.  I think I'm the only one who's posted a near literalist theory on this thread and, unless I say the decision chamber was a hallucination and EMS is also a reflection of Shep's willpower, the whole interpretation gets blasted into a gazillion pieces. It doesn't seem rationally possible for there to be a strict literal take on the ending

[Auralius Carolus]

A potential case of Reaper Indoctrination in South-East Asia. NSFW.

www.youtube.com/watch

Modifié par Auralius Carolus, 03 mai 2012 - 04:55 .

[iggy1eco]

TheConstantOne wrote...

 

iggy1eco wrote...


lol Coates from turnCoat sounds almost convinient by name, and also, sooo clever that is hard to believe xD Not saying that Bioware isn't capable of smart thoug, because they totally are and delivered with it, but still...=p

Haha Coates the Turncoat: the next best thing to hit the ME universe since Marauder Shields 

That was also a clever use of words =p convinient nickname also xD

Modifié par iggy1eco, 03 mai 2012 - 04:56 .

[ZerebusPrime]

 So right after the infamous second "I was born in London" - "Really?" moment, Anderson gives Shepard an odd look and has an awkward pause before saying "The entire galaxy united... too bad it took the Reapers to bring us all together."
This is old news, but after rewatching it I couldn't help but think that the tone Anderson uses is deliberate, as though he's trying to tell us something.  Or perhaps he's trying to warn us of something he can't say directly, possibly because he's being watched?

And then Anderson gets corrected by a squadmate: it was Shepard who brought everyone together, to which Anderson replies:

"That's exactly what I meant."

Again, he uses added emphasis.  And then he says that no one could have done what Shepard has done - ok, Shepard's special, we know, we get it already.

REWIND!

Right before that sequence, we here that Admiral Anderson is apparently the reason anyone in the resistance is still alive.  Wow.  Well, ok, it's Anderson, after all.  He was the Shepard before there was a Shepard.  Makes sense that he could pull the resistance through this tough time.

And apparently Anderson will agree that winning this war is a matter of doing "whatever it takes," as also seen in the vid I've linked twice now.

Well, what if "whatever it takes" is delivering Shepard to the Reapers?

I know, Anderson as a traitor just sounds crazy.  The Reapers would have to be holding the entire planet's population hostage or something equally heinous to force a guy like that to work for them.  Oh wait.  So just for a moment, let us posit that Anderson may have been forced to make a deal with the Reapers: deliver Shepard to the beam in exchange for... who knows what.  Maybe the population of Switzerland.  We don't know.  In the same conversation, Anderson says that he had been avoiding contact with the Reapers until his men got to London.  We are meant to belive that "contact" means combat, but it can also mean talking.  But how would Anderson have ever come into that sort of contact with the Reapers?

Queue the warning sign mentioned yesterday with the Alliance symbol next to an arrow pointing to a lightning bolt, with Coats sitting right next to the lightning bolt.  Aside from whatever else the Reapers were doing in London, the other thing that makes London special (other than Anderson being born there) is that it's where Anderson would have come into contact with Major Coats, the Big Ben Sniper from the first trailer, the guy who was sniping husks until a spotlight was shone on him, indicating that his sniping position may have been less secure than advertised late in the game.  Maybe he limped out of sight... or maybe he was caught and turned into an agent of the Reapers with orders to worm his way into the resistance command structure.  Either way, he somehow fixes his leg by the time we see him in ME3.


I'd best stop here before I move out of speculation territory and into fanfic territory.  There's a lot happening behind the scenes that we just flat out don't know.  What I've positted above fits in with the London as a Trap narrative with Harbinger showing up at the end specifically to capture and indoctrinate Shepard.  It would also make Coats a candidate for Harbinger's missing mouthpiece in the game (surely he doesn't HAVE to use a reverbed voice when he controls someone).  That in turn would fit in with the Coats as a mole idea but take it one step further.

Any thoughts?

[byne]

ZerebusPrime wrote...

*snipping text, because I am replying directly above me, you can scroll up if you wanna read it *

I'm not sure if I'm just tired, but that makes a lot of sense.

Except the part about Switzerland. It'd have to be one of those fancy countries like France for Anderson to consider betraying Shepard.

Modifié par byne, 03 mai 2012 - 05:09 .

[His Name was HYR!!]

BatmanTurian wrote...

I'm still back on page 1962 but I have to ask: Why did you guys even engage with HYR 2.0 in the first place? He's pro-synthesis, his L.I. is Jack, and he has no counterpoints other than " I'm right, you're wrong and deluded. "

I mean the pro-synthesis part was an obvious neon sign that accurately translates to indoctrinated idiot.

You see, there's a theme here. Where other people tend to be resistant to progress and irrational/emotional thinkers, I see the benefits and potential in things that many fail to. I did with Jack back in ME2 as a person, and I have again seeing synthesis as the future in ME3.

And really, what's not idiotic about calling someone "indoctrinated" for having an opinion? Reapers don't exist! You so silly. 

[Ser Issac]

Having read through the Coates theory, I've gotta say it really grasps at a lot of straws. It's filled with almost no evidence and uses mostly interpretation. For instance:

"Coates tries to be a little supportive and says that having Shepard on Earth will do some good for the troops, it will "bolster their resolve" and ends up asking Shepard how he feels about the whole ordeal. No matter what you say to him, he gives you the absolutely sinister "whether you like it or not, you're a hero to these men and women. Don't discount the effect that can have.” That line Coates utters may be the most important line in the entire ending. Everything you could possibly ask for is there, the "whether you like it or not," the "don't discount the effect that can have," it all points to a "we know this is your biggest weapon, so we're going to make it our own" just like they do with EVERYTHING ELSE."

As someone who has played through that scene multiple times, the conversation with Coates came across exactly as it seems. Coates is informing Shepard of his presence providing a morale boost to the troops. There was nothing "absolutely sinister" about it, unless you count anyone that speaks in a British accent as sounding sinister.

The entire theory follows that line of thought. It takes the idea that Coates must be up to no good and forces the theory onto every little moment involving him.

[byne]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

I'm still back on page 1962 but I have to ask: Why did you guys even engage with HYR 2.0 in the first place? He's pro-synthesis, his L.I. is Jack, and he has no counterpoints other than " I'm right, you're wrong and deluded. "

I mean the pro-synthesis part was an obvious neon sign that accurately translates to indoctrinated idiot.

You see, there's a theme here. Where other people tend to be resistant to progress and irrational/emotional thinkers, I see the benefits and potential in things that many fail to. I did with Jack back in ME2 as a person, and I have again seeing synthesis as the future in ME3.

And really, what's not idiotic about calling someone "indoctrinated" for having an opinion? Reapers don't exist! You so silly. 

HYR, I am very pro-Jack and EXTREMELY anti-synthesis.

Comparing Jack to that abomination of an ending is heresy.

[TheConstantOne]

ZerebusPrime wrote...

 So right after the infamous second "I was born in London" - "Really?" moment, Anderson gives Shepard an odd look and has an awkward pause before saying "The entire galaxy united... too bad it took the Reapers to bring us all together."
This is old news, but after rewatching it I couldn't help but think that the tone Anderson uses is deliberate, as though he's trying to tell us something.  Or perhaps he's trying to warn us of something he can't say directly, possibly because he's being watched?

And then Anderson gets corrected by a squadmate: it was Shepard who brought everyone together, to which Anderson replies:

"That's exactly what I meant."

Again, he uses added emphasis.  And then he says that no one could have done what Shepard has done - ok, Shepard's special, we know, we get it already.

REWIND!

Right before that sequence, we here that Admiral Anderson is apparently the reason anyone in the resistance is still alive.  Wow.  Well, ok, it's Anderson, after all.  He was the Shepard before there was a Shepard.  Makes sense that he could pull the resistance through this tough time.

And apparently Anderson will agree that winning this war is a matter of doing "whatever it takes," as also seen in the vid I've linked twice now.

Well, what if "whatever it takes" is delivering Shepard to the Reapers?

I know, Anderson as a traitor just sounds crazy.  The Reapers would have to be holding the entire planet's population hostage or something equally heinous to force a guy like that to work for them.  Oh wait.  So just for a moment, let us posit that Anderson may have been forced to make a deal with the Reapers: deliver Shepard to the beam in exchange for... who knows what.  Maybe the population of Switzerland.  We don't know.  In the same conversation, Anderson says that he had been avoiding contact with the Reapers until his men got to London.  We are meant to belive that "contact" means combat, but it can also mean talking.  But how would Anderson have ever come into that sort of contact with the Reapers?

Queue the warning sign mentioned yesterday with the Alliance symbol next to an arrow pointing to a lightning bolt, with Coats sitting right next to the lightning bolt.  Aside from whatever else the Reapers were doing in London, the other thing that makes London special (other than Anderson being born there) is that it's where Anderson would have come into contact with Major Coats, the Big Ben Sniper from the first trailer, the guy who was sniping husks until a spotlight was shone on him, indicating that his sniping position may have been less secure than advertised late in the game.  Maybe he limped out of sight... or maybe he was caught and turned into an agent of the Reapers with orders to worm his way into the resistance command structure.  Either way, he somehow fixes his leg by the time we see him in ME3.


I'd best stop here before I move out of speculation territory and into fanfic territory.  There's a lot happening behind the scenes that we just flat out don't know.  What I've positted above fits in with the London as a Trap narrative with Harbinger showing up at the end specifically to capture and indoctrinate Shepard.  It would also make Coats a candidate for Harbinger's missing mouthpiece in the game (surely he doesn't HAVE to use a reverbed voice when he controls someone).  That in turn would fit in with the Coats as a mole idea but take it one step further.

Any thoughts?

My final comment for the night:

I hadn't considered Anderson being indoctrinated before.  Given his knowledge of the Reapers though, he would never turn Shep over to them unless he was being completely mind controlled.  Even if Earth's population was in danger.  He can't trust them to stay true to their word.

Now, I doubt that Anderson is completely indoctrinated but if Coates is a double agent...it could be possible that Anderson is being indoctrinated, which could lead to some interesting scenarios.  I never noticed Anderson doing anything obviously subversive though.  So my guess is that he's still in his right mind.  

Still, you raise a good point   After all, Anderson turning on us would be something completely from left-field

[iggy1eco]

ZerebusPrime wrote...

 So right after the infamous second "I was born in London" - "Really?" moment, Anderson gives Shepard an odd look and has an awkward pause before saying "The entire galaxy united... too bad it took the Reapers to bring us all together."
This is old news, but after rewatching it I couldn't help but think that the tone Anderson uses is deliberate, as though he's trying to tell us something.  Or perhaps he's trying to warn us of something he can't say directly, possibly because he's being watched?

And then Anderson gets corrected by a squadmate: it was Shepard who brought everyone together, to which Anderson replies:

"That's exactly what I meant."

Again, he uses added emphasis.  And then he says that no one could have done what Shepard has done - ok, Shepard's special, we know, we get it already.

REWIND!

Right before that sequence, we here that Admiral Anderson is apparently the reason anyone in the resistance is still alive.  Wow.  Well, ok, it's Anderson, after all.  He was the Shepard before there was a Shepard.  Makes sense that he could pull the resistance through this tough time.

And apparently Anderson will agree that winning this war is a matter of doing "whatever it takes," as also seen in the vid I've linked twice now.

Well, what if "whatever it takes" is delivering Shepard to the Reapers?

I know, Anderson as a traitor just sounds crazy.  The Reapers would have to be holding the entire planet's population hostage or something equally heinous to force a guy like that to work for them.  Oh wait.  So just for a moment, let us posit that Anderson may have been forced to make a deal with the Reapers: deliver Shepard to the beam in exchange for... who knows what.  Maybe the population of Switzerland.  We don't know.  In the same conversation, Anderson says that he had been avoiding contact with the Reapers until his men got to London.  We are meant to belive that "contact" means combat, but it can also mean talking.  But how would Anderson have ever come into that sort of contact with the Reapers?

Queue the warning sign mentioned yesterday with the Alliance symbol next to an arrow pointing to a lightning bolt, with Coats sitting right next to the lightning bolt.  Aside from whatever else the Reapers were doing in London, the other thing that makes London special (other than Anderson being born there) is that it's where Anderson would have come into contact with Major Coats, the Big Ben Sniper from the first trailer, the guy who was sniping husks until a spotlight was shone on him, indicating that his sniping position may have been less secure than advertised late in the game.  Maybe he limped out of sight... or maybe he was caught and turned into an agent of the Reapers with orders to worm his way into the resistance command structure.  Either way, he somehow fixes his leg by the time we see him in ME3.


I'd best stop here before I move out of speculation territory and into fanfic territory.  There's a lot happening behind the scenes that we just flat out don't know.  What I've positted above fits in with the London as a Trap narrative with Harbinger showing up at the end specifically to capture and indoctrinate Shepard.  It would also make Coats a candidate for Harbinger's missing mouthpiece in the game (surely he doesn't HAVE to use a reverbed voice when he controls someone).  That in turn would fit in with the Coats as a mole idea but take it one step further.

Any thoughts?

Just read it, still processing. However, the Reapers attacked Earth first and then Palaven and then Thessia. Am I right? Or maybe somewhat at the same time having the Local Cluster as a first target because it was the nearest to the galaxy "limits" having the Reapers come from Darkspace and catching up with a very near Mass Relay. However, a lot of time passes and while Thessia and Palaven, the most powerful military factions, are totally owned, Earth somehow seems to still "pretty" compared to the other factions, and maybe who's to blame is Harbinger cooking something up in London.

Coats was caught at the same time in reaper or invasion exposure as everyone else, even Anderson. Tactics to survive could be the same as Anderson's. We don't know nothing about him on the background really, besides fans asking for a name to an unamed badass character on screen, which leads to the story maybe being somewhat altered so he could be in it somehow. In my opinion, it seems a big change, unless they wanted to go down the Turncoat(e)s road all along. Besides that, a too perfect change.

Still, this way of interpreting the dialogue and making Coates someone who's also cooking something behind those "Don't shoot or you'll ****** it off" lines, makes sense. A part of me wants it to be right as much as it feels that Coates was just a cameo.

About Anderson turning on us, that would be quite a twist, but he pretty much kept the most alive and led the resistance in a fashion way. But I don't believe he was indoctrinated.

Modifié par iggy1eco, 03 mai 2012 - 05:16 .

[Either.Ardrey]

As far as the Coates feeling off thing, I'd pretty much pin it down to that he gave the sinister stare almost every time we saw him. He looked evil. Like pouty Sith Anakin Skywalker evil. I had a really hard time believing he was supposed to be a good guy. Design 101.

[TheConstantOne]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

I'm still back on page 1962 but I have to ask: Why did you guys even engage with HYR 2.0 in the first place? He's pro-synthesis, his L.I. is Jack, and he has no counterpoints other than " I'm right, you're wrong and deluded. "

I mean the pro-synthesis part was an obvious neon sign that accurately translates to indoctrinated idiot.

You see, there's a theme here. Where other people tend to be resistant to progress and irrational/emotional thinkers, I see the benefits and potential in things that many fail to. I did with Jack back in ME2 as a person, and I have again seeing synthesis as the future in ME3.

And really, what's not idiotic about calling someone "indoctrinated" for having an opinion? Reapers don't exist! You so silly. 

Don't feel bad.  I support synthesis too.  It has a lot of potential for all life, provided it's not a brutal, freedom stealing procedure like building a Reaper.  Even if IT proves true, my IT side is still not convinced that control and synthesis are outright *bad*, but that all 3 options have pros and cons about breaking free from indoc

Alright, now I really must sleep haha

[iggy1eco]

TheConstantOne wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

I'm still back on page 1962 but I have to ask: Why did you guys even engage with HYR 2.0 in the first place? He's pro-synthesis, his L.I. is Jack, and he has no counterpoints other than " I'm right, you're wrong and deluded. "

I mean the pro-synthesis part was an obvious neon sign that accurately translates to indoctrinated idiot.

You see, there's a theme here. Where other people tend to be resistant to progress and irrational/emotional thinkers, I see the benefits and potential in things that many fail to. I did with Jack back in ME2 as a person, and I have again seeing synthesis as the future in ME3.

And really, what's not idiotic about calling someone "indoctrinated" for having an opinion? Reapers don't exist! You so silly. 

Don't feel bad.  I support synthesis too.  It has a lot of potential for all life, provided it's not a brutal, freedom stealing procedure like building a Reaper.  Even if IT proves true, my IT side is still not convinced that control and synthesis are outright *bad*, but that all 3 options have pros and cons about breaking free from indoc

Alright, now I really must sleep haha

I don't know. As long as the brain is 100% functional and we're 100% capable of free will, I guess I don't have any problem with cyborgs =p

[clennon8]

Yeah, say what you will about IT, but Synthesis is for bleeping bleepholes. Never, never will I choose to fundamentally violate every organism in the galaxy.

[byne]

iggy1eco wrote...

TheConstantOne wrote...


Don't feel bad.  I support synthesis too.  It has a lot of potential for all life, provided it's not a brutal, freedom stealing procedure like building a Reaper.  Even if IT proves true, my IT side is still not convinced that control and synthesis are outright *bad*, but that all 3 options have pros and cons about breaking free from indoc

Alright, now I really must sleep haha

I don't know. As long as the brain is 100% functional and we're 100% capable of free will, I guess I don't have any problem with cyborgs =p

I killed Saren for wanting Synthesis, I cant see any reason to change my mind about that. Synthesis' underlying message is basically 'diversity is bad, make everyone the same' and I have a serious problem with that.

[iggy1eco]

clennon8 wrote...

Yeah, say what you will about IT, but Synthesis is for bleeping bleepholes. Never, never will I choose to fundamentally violate every organism in the galaxy.

Yeah, I wouldn't choose it for me though. The "problem" with it is, Shepard would be merging an organic into a synthetic against pretty much everyones will. I guess most would rather fight to the death against the reapers than be turned into something they didn't want to, even if it had all but upgrades.

I'd rather have the possibility to choose between adding some more resilient vertebras on my free will than anyone else choosing it for me. I guess it would be a better acomplishment being proud of being organic and learn how to manage our free will than unwilingly have synthetic eyes. Synthesis should be a choice to improve or heal health conditions. But now here it's just me thinking if synthesis was as true and resorcefull in real life xD

Besides, the Universe demands diversity, and diversity it's good. Organics love it, organics demand it, not just in DNA, but in the way we see things and do things

Modifié par iggy1eco, 03 mai 2012 - 05:32 .

[clennon8]

It's galling to me that Bioware seemingly intended Synthesis as the ideal ending, only achievable by the "best" Shepards. It is an absolute atrocity.

Regardless of whether or not IT is true, I can only justify choosing Destroy. It ticks me off that the only choice I can stomach at all forces me to (apparently) genocide the geth.

[BleedingUranium]

Either.Ardrey wrote...

As far as the Coates feeling off thing, I'd pretty much pin it down to that he gave the sinister stare almost every time we saw him. He looked evil. Like pouty Sith Anakin Skywalker evil. I had a really hard time believing he was supposed to be a good guy. Design 101.

This is pretty much what I was thinking

[Auralius Carolus]

Either.Ardrey wrote...

As far as the Coates feeling off thing, I'd pretty much pin it down to that he gave the sinister stare almost every time we saw him. He looked evil. Like pouty Sith Anakin Skywalker evil. I had a really hard time believing he was supposed to be a good guy. Design 101.

He certainly didn't resemble the exhausted and concerned Coats from the reveal trailer. Then again, I don't find him to look like his CG version at all. His voice is even different, though I suspect it's more tonal and filter based.

He sounds like Simon Templeton, who's a Bioware regular. If so, then Loghain is fighting along side you. And if the Coats Theory is right, his character is doing exactly the same thing as in DA:O. How would that make me feel? PISSED OFF!

And here I thought their near copy-paste of an AR-15 handguard/A-Frame sight for Assault Rifle Extended Barrel V was bad... *gags*

[byne]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Either.Ardrey wrote...

As far as the Coates feeling off thing, I'd pretty much pin it down to that he gave the sinister stare almost every time we saw him. He looked evil. Like pouty Sith Anakin Skywalker evil. I had a really hard time believing he was supposed to be a good guy. Design 101.

He certainly didn't resemble the exhausted and concerned Coats from the reveal trailer. Then again, I don't find him to look like his CG version at all. His voice is even different, though I suspect it's more tonal and filter based.

He sounds like Simon Templeton, who's a Bioware regular. If so, then Loghain is fighting along side you. And if the Coats Theory is right, his character is doing exactly the same thing as in DA:O. How would that make me feel? PISSED OFF!

And here I thought their near copy-paste of an AR-15 handguard/A-Frame sight for Assault Rifle Extended Barrel V was bad... *gags*

Last I looked on IMDB I couldnt find Major Coates on the ME3 cast list, which I thought was odd

[BleedingUranium]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Either.Ardrey wrote...

As far as the Coates feeling off thing, I'd pretty much pin it down to that he gave the sinister stare almost every time we saw him. He looked evil. Like pouty Sith Anakin Skywalker evil. I had a really hard time believing he was supposed to be a good guy. Design 101.

He certainly didn't resemble the exhausted and concerned Coats from the reveal trailer. Then again, I don't find him to look like his CG version at all. His voice is even different, though I suspect it's more tonal and filter based.

He sounds like Simon Templeton, who's a Bioware regular. If so, then Loghain is fighting along side you. And if the Coats Theory is right, his character is doing exactly the same thing as in DA:O. How would that make me feel? PISSED OFF!

And here I thought their near copy-paste of an AR-15 handguard/A-Frame sight for Assault Rifle Extended Barrel V was bad... *gags*

Or Pistol/SMG's Revolver Barrel V

EWWW

[iggy1eco]

byne wrote...

iggy1eco wrote...

TheConstantOne wrote...


Don't feel bad.  I support synthesis too.  It has a lot of potential for all life, provided it's not a brutal, freedom stealing procedure like building a Reaper.  Even if IT proves true, my IT side is still not convinced that control and synthesis are outright *bad*, but that all 3 options have pros and cons about breaking free from indoc

Alright, now I really must sleep haha

I don't know. As long as the brain is 100% functional and we're 100% capable of free will, I guess I don't have any problem with cyborgs =p

I killed Saren for wanting Synthesis, I cant see any reason to change my mind about that. Synthesis' underlying message is basically 'diversity is bad, make everyone the same' and I have a serious problem with that.

Saren messed with the wrong synthetics and the wrong doctor, that's why he had it coming. Add the natural hate for humans and love for power, you have a thrall of rage and a pawn to Soverign =p However, besides supporting 100% free will and diversity, I think synthesis shouldn't be a problem as long it is "free willing" individually. Each individual would be to blame if it would go right or wrong, and an individual choice. That's my reaction to it if brought to real life standards, though.

[spotlessvoid]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Actually, things have made alot of sense thus far... if you assume one thing.

My current theory is that the DLC plan they had designed would work like this;

Release ME3 - Some people finish quickly, refuse to discuss the endings, let them stew, and speculate, keep their interest up. Ending generates some discontent, but people are mostly satisfied, but wondering WTF was up with that wierd ending?

As people speculate, keep posting new events on the ANN, Alliance News Network

Do a multiplayer event every weekend, corresponding with some significant aspect of the war such as a major battle or operation.

Release multiplayer DLC every so often to correspond with different points, start with some of the most easily acquired races (and some of the fan favorites, because if they don't get them right away...)

Release single player DLC, correspinding with major battles, major events and major parts of the war, like the retaking of Omega. Be sure to work in a big tie in in the ANN and similar things.

Release minor tie in things such as the Datapad app, or Mass Effect Infiltrator.

Finally, a month or two later, maybe even more, release a HUGE DLC, or potentially even expansion pack with lots of pomp and trumpeting. Shepard is revealed to have hallucinated the last few minutes of the game if you've already gotten to the end. The DLC corresponds with the battle of Earth, which the ANN twitter feed has now caught up to, giving details of the invasion. It gets advertised as this huge Alternate Reality game, and the fans go wild.

Unfortunately, the whole thing got scuppered when part one of the plan failed. People were NOT satisfied with the ending. SO now they have to pull the EC direct out of their asses and heavily reconsider the whole schedule.

Irony's a **** huh?

That would tragic if they ended up having to scrap their plan. Hopefully they are riding out the storm and keep to it

[iggy1eco]

byne wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Either.Ardrey wrote...

As far as the Coates feeling off thing, I'd pretty much pin it down to that he gave the sinister stare almost every time we saw him. He looked evil. Like pouty Sith Anakin Skywalker evil. I had a really hard time believing he was supposed to be a good guy. Design 101.

He certainly didn't resemble the exhausted and concerned Coats from the reveal trailer. Then again, I don't find him to look like his CG version at all. His voice is even different, though I suspect it's more tonal and filter based.

He sounds like Simon Templeton, who's a Bioware regular. If so, then Loghain is fighting along side you. And if the Coats Theory is right, his character is doing exactly the same thing as in DA:O. How would that make me feel? PISSED OFF!

And here I thought their near copy-paste of an AR-15 handguard/A-Frame sight for Assault Rifle Extended Barrel V was bad... *gags*

Last I looked on IMDB I couldnt find Major Coates on the ME3 cast list, which I thought was odd

He isn't even listed in the credits =/