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[Vyrii]

Terraforming2154 wrote...

Vyrii wrote...

I fully supoprt this, ESPECIALLY the Paragon and Renagade flip at the end for choices.  I asctually had to stand there and think for a while, wondering "why is the renegade option the one that Anderson has?"

I ended up choosing the destroy option, but didn't have enough war assets to get the final breath scene.  I just REALLY REALLY hope that I didn't really kill EDI or the Geth.  Losing Legion was hard enough.

It gave me a moment's pause too, not only from the perspective of the heavy price of sacrificing synthetics, but also just on a more visual level and an understanding of ME morality up until that moment.
I even started moving toward the blue first, because I was anxious and thought I hadn't correctly paid attention to the images of TIM and Anderson.

I didn't even HEAR the third "Merge" option, I was literally just done with the conversation at that point.  I was angry that I couldn't even talk to the spacechild.
I just thought "Devs said that the paragon options weren't always the right choices"  That was the only thing that kept running through my head.   The reason why I went for the red.

I would be lying if I said that I didn't want my Shep to survive to get back to Garrus, and that the Destroy option had the best chance of that.  That was BEFORE I knew that the breathing scene was in there.

I really need to replay and ge that ending...

[Martukis]

Bananables wrote...

Seeing that this thread is almost 200 pages long, my input might have been already mentioned, but here it goes anyway.

How did TIM get to the conduit and then into the Citadel? Wouldn't this further support the hallucination theory? Before the final battle with Kai Leng, Shepard has a conversation with TIM. We can probably assume that during this conversation, TIM is already on Earth, taking with him his most trusted Cerberus soldiers or whatever.

But how did he get to the conduit unscathed? It's unlikely that he took a Cerberus tank and moonwalked his way to the conduit, he would've been decimated by the Reaper forces within a 5 mile radius of the conduit. Also, when Shepard and the Alliance forces get within walking distance of the conduit, there were no Cerberus forces present; there would've been vehicles or soldiers surrounding the area, right?

Now, to save myself from embarrassment, if there is a perfectly normal explanation as to how TIM made it to the conduit, please let me know.

I always figured that if it wasn't part of a hallucination, it was TIM and a few cerberus top agents using his somewhat stable husk control system and stealth to sneak into the crucible - or maybe he was on the Citadel before informing the Reapers of the Crucible, and he just rode it to earth... though that would suggest he knew where to go to meet Shep. Then again, if the reapers were talking to TIM, they could direct him there. I don't know, it sounds about as plausible as Shep have a hallucination/indoctrination moment.

[Debi-Tage]

WvStolzing wrote...

Debi-Tage wrote...

And isnt it a little ironic that the brat is playing with a model ship of the Normandy the first time you see him on Earth and then later Vega starts complaining (on the Normandy) of buzzing sounds?

It's not the Normandy, just an Alliance Fighter.

I stand corrected. Thank you!

[njfluffy19]

Say this whole thread is correct about the indoctrination. If you chose synthesize or control, would you have automatically lost the battle? If so, I'm screwed. Not that it matters. Playing through again from ME1 because I'm that much of a dork.

[BlackDragonBane]

njfluffy19 wrote...

Say this whole thread is correct about the indoctrination. If you chose synthesize or control, would you have automatically lost the battle? If so, I'm screwed. Not that it matters. Playing through again from ME1 because I'm that much of a dork.

I think it would be more interesting if you succumb to indoctrionation, Shepard gets up and immediately just turns on everyone until they're likely gunnned down, and then the Reapers win instead of just doing a game over screen or something. Something that'll show us how Shepard goes out in the end.

[njfluffy19]

I would prefer "Critical Mission Failure" and then a rick roll.

That would actually make this turmoil worth it.

[themidz]

ageofadrian wrote...

I've been asleep for 40 pages have I missed any important updates.

there have been a twitter update from somebody from bioware who said that they did not yet reveal any info about dead teammates during rush to conduit. this can give us more hope

[Jackalope]

BlackDragonBane wrote...

 I've been thinking, with Shepard being exposed to so many indoctrinationing devices, why wasn't the indoctrination process faster. Ignoring the fact that Shepard spent 2 years dead, even Saren succumbed in a matter of months and there were times were he was not directly in contact with Sovereign nor recieved the implants till MUCH later in ME1.

This was brought up before but what if the contact with the first Prothean becon, and then recieving the Cypher on Feros changed something about the indoctrination itself? The Cypher was needed so Shepard could understand the warning message the Beacons burned into his/her mind, that Shepard had to THINK like a Prothean. Shepard even understands the garbled VI (not Vigil) on Illos, so Shepard's mind is, quite clearly, part Prothean after Feros.

We're all aware of the effects of Indoctrination and under the circumstances, the Reapers shouldn't be all that worried about Shepard succeded because eventually, Shepard will succumb. Not even Benezia could completely resist and ended up falling prey to indoctrination. The Illusive Man fell under indoctrination, if you analyze Cerebrus's actions in ME3 in comparison to how he was in ME2.

Going along with that, perhaps the real reason that Harbinger wanted Shepard's body after the destruction of the Normandy, that it wants to control Shepard so badly is because Shepard's mind is, in fact, no longer human but thinks as two different species housed in one body. It's something the Reapers have never encountered before and its given Shepard the ability to fight the effects of indoctrination successfully. This is a variable they could not account for. Sure, tehre's the question of Saren but he was already indoctrinatnated long before finding the beacon.

Perhaps this is why Harbinger/Catalys present the choices to Shepard in the hallucination, because it knows that the 'conventional' method of indoctrination is not going to work on Shepard and it needs to convince Shepard, subtly, that submitting to indoctrination is the only way to stop the Reapers, much like how Saren was convinced working with the Reapers would save more lives than resisting them.

Just a thought.

I thought that it was Shepard's mental willpower keeping him/her from being indoctrinated for so long.  Doesn't Liara say something about Shepard even surviving the first beacon due to that?  Maybe Shepard is just made of stronger stuff than Saren or TIM.

Also, did anyone else get the news/e-mail about Rana, the asari you spared on Virmire, going crazy and killing other asari after finally becoming indocrinated.  And her last exposure to a Reaper was...what, three years prior?  So I think Shepard finally losing it at the end of this game is totally possible.

I will say, this final scene, if it really is indoctrination...really makes me feel sorry for Saren.  I'm sure it took less work to convince him than it took Shepard, but still, do allow those things to happen to you because it might save more lives...that's sad.  He's still evil, mind you, but sad evil.

[Zaknaberrnon]

I got the shep breathing ending after Destroy.
I have 7089 Total Military Assets and 4253 Effective Military Assets (the EMA bar is completely full, and green). And I haven't played any multiplayer.

Just so you guys know you don't need multiplayer to get 'full readiness'

Modifié par Zaknaberrnon, 12 mars 2012 - 08:52 .

[humes spork]

krystalevenstar wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

How many damn times does it need to be said that the"endings" we got aren't actually the endings

I've learned over the last few days through this thread that very many things need to be reiterated ad nauseum as the newer people to the thread don't want to read through the 190 pages.

...yep. Even if OP updated with new information, people still wouldn't be arsed to read even that before posting. Welcome to the internet?

[njfluffy19]

Jackalope wrote...


Also, did anyone else get the news/e-mail about Rana, the asari you spared on Virmire, going crazy and killing other asari after finally becoming indocrinated.  And her last exposure to a Reaper was...what, three years prior?  So I think Shepard finally losing it at the end of this game is totally possible.

You're right. Commander Shepard is strong willed, so it's likely easily explained why it has taken so long to kick in.

I was disappointed with the Rana thing. I wanted to find her one last time and give her a kick in the gut if she was doing something ill-mannered. I guess not every loose end needs that kind of tie in, though.

[BlackDragonBane]

Jackalope wrote...

BlackDragonBane wrote...

 I've been thinking, with Shepard being exposed to so many indoctrinationing devices, why wasn't the indoctrination process faster. Ignoring the fact that Shepard spent 2 years dead, even Saren succumbed in a matter of months and there were times were he was not directly in contact with Sovereign nor recieved the implants till MUCH later in ME1.

This was brought up before but what if the contact with the first Prothean becon, and then recieving the Cypher on Feros changed something about the indoctrination itself? The Cypher was needed so Shepard could understand the warning message the Beacons burned into his/her mind, that Shepard had to THINK like a Prothean. Shepard even understands the garbled VI (not Vigil) on Illos, so Shepard's mind is, quite clearly, part Prothean after Feros.

We're all aware of the effects of Indoctrination and under the circumstances, the Reapers shouldn't be all that worried about Shepard succeded because eventually, Shepard will succumb. Not even Benezia could completely resist and ended up falling prey to indoctrination. The Illusive Man fell under indoctrination, if you analyze Cerebrus's actions in ME3 in comparison to how he was in ME2.

Going along with that, perhaps the real reason that Harbinger wanted Shepard's body after the destruction of the Normandy, that it wants to control Shepard so badly is because Shepard's mind is, in fact, no longer human but thinks as two different species housed in one body. It's something the Reapers have never encountered before and its given Shepard the ability to fight the effects of indoctrination successfully. This is a variable they could not account for. Sure, tehre's the question of Saren but he was already indoctrinatnated long before finding the beacon.

Perhaps this is why Harbinger/Catalys present the choices to Shepard in the hallucination, because it knows that the 'conventional' method of indoctrination is not going to work on Shepard and it needs to convince Shepard, subtly, that submitting to indoctrination is the only way to stop the Reapers, much like how Saren was convinced working with the Reapers would save more lives than resisting them.

Just a thought.

I thought that it was Shepard's mental willpower keeping him/her from being indoctrinated for so long.  Doesn't Liara say something about Shepard even surviving the first beacon due to that?  Maybe Shepard is just made of stronger stuff than Saren or TIM.

Also, did anyone else get the news/e-mail about Rana, the asari you spared on Virmire, going crazy and killing other asari after finally becoming indocrinated.  And her last exposure to a Reaper was...what, three years prior?  So I think Shepard finally losing it at the end of this game is totally possible.

I will say, this final scene, if it really is indoctrination...really makes me feel sorry for Saren.  I'm sure it took less work to convince him than it took Shepard, but still, do allow those things to happen to you because it might save more lives...that's sad.  He's still evil, mind you, but sad evil.

I probably should have included Shepard's tenacious will-power because as you say, that's the real fundamental part of Shepard.

And yes, Saren was a tragic heor but reading is back ground... I can't really feel that bad about him because he intended to use Sovereign as a weapon against humans >_>

[ceruleancrescent]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Could this whole situation be why(I think Chris) said we should play the game fresh first , then import and play-through again because this true ending might be revealed.

 
Where did he say that?

[IronSabbath88]

I really feel sorry for the people who are still complaining about the endings and calling for action against BioWare without taking this theory into account, because it REALLY is pointing to all of this being true.

And I was someone who was neutral on the endings. I didn't originally hate them, I always thought something was a little off.

[Tup3x]

IronSabbath88 wrote...

I really feel sorry for the people who are still complaining about the endings and calling for action against BioWare without taking this theory into account, because it REALLY is pointing to all of this being true.

And I was someone who was neutral on the endings. I didn't originally hate them, I always thought something was a little off.

Even if this theory is right, it would still be horrible ending.

[Auresta]

ageofadrian wrote...

I think the eyes turning into husk eyes are pretty conclusive for me. That's just on top of all the other evidence here

Someone briefly mentioned that they don't turn blue if you are Renegade. Did anyone address this?

[Zaknaberrnon]

Moar proof, this time from the official @masseffect twitter feed:

Robert Cooper ‏ @robertcooper45
...or to be more precise about my previous comment, I was disappointed in the LACK of impact my choices had on @masseffect 3's ending.
Mass Effect Mass Effect ‏ @masseffect

@robertcooper45 "There are no happy endings, because nothing ends." Name that movie.
Ocultar conversación
9:46 pm - 12 mar 12 vía HootS

https://twitter.com/#!/masseffect


BTW movie quote is from 'The Last Unicorn'

[tuzem2]

Zaknaberrnon wrote...

Moar proof, this time from the official @masseffect twitter feed:

Robert Cooper ‏ @robertcooper45
...or to be more precise about my previous comment, I was disappointed in the LACK of impact my choices had on @masseffect 3's ending.
Mass Effect Mass Effect ‏ @masseffect

@robertcooper45 "There are no happy endings, because nothing ends." Name that movie.
Ocultar conversación
9:46 pm - 12 mar 12 vía HootS

https://twitter.com/#!/masseffect


BTW movie quote is from 'The Last Unicorn'

Wait, what?!
So actually we'll get some closure and another ending?
Or does that mean the Shepard's won't be finished with ME3 as the initially said?

[Debi-Tage]

ageofadrian wrote...

I think the eyes turning into husk eyes are pretty conclusive for me. That's just on top of all the other evidence here

Me too. I noticed it when I chose synthesis my first playthrough. As my Shep was burning up (*sad*) I noticed her eyes went all IM-looking. Maybe when we chose synthesis or control we end up back in London (waking up?) and are indoctrinated and everyone has to rally against us. Maybe depending on who we take with us in our squad on the final push (I remember Anderson saying to think it through carefully - which makes no real sense given the current endings) then they will be the ones to destroy us or save us somehow in the end? Then fast-forward to those people emerging from the Normandy without you following the "real" final batte on the garden planet. But the ultitmate ending will depend on your readiness and choices (something Bioware promised all along) as to how all of the variants actually play out.

If one the other hand we chose destroy and everything is high enough your squaddies are trying to get you out of the rubble to finally "really" destroy Harby and his cronnies. If not, you are dead and Earth falls. Either way everyone on the Normandy is either trying to escape and crashes on a random planet (if you are dead) or the conduit did work as the godchild said and the relays are destroyed (say you woke up and fought Harby). The last scenes of the Normandy trying to escape fit with all the possibilities but the big part missing in the go between comes down to your Shepard's choices during the final conclusion (yet to be revealed) of the indoc sequence. Who knows, maybe the "happy" ending is after everyone emerges off of the Normandy on the garden planet Shepard is seen following in toe?

Who knows. Haven't thought out all the variants and details yet.

[Debi-Tage]

double post

Modifié par Debi-Tage, 12 mars 2012 - 09:16 .

[NoUserNameHere]

tuzem2 wrote...

Zaknaberrnon wrote...

Moar proof, this time from the official @masseffect twitter feed:

Robert Cooper ‏ @robertcooper45
...or to be more precise about my previous comment, I was disappointed in the LACK of impact my choices had on @masseffect 3's ending.
Mass Effect Mass Effect ‏ @masseffect

@robertcooper45 "There are no happy endings, because nothing ends." Name that movie.
Ocultar conversación
9:46 pm - 12 mar 12 vía HootS

https://twitter.com/#!/masseffect


BTW movie quote is from 'The Last Unicorn'

Wait, what?!
So actually we'll get some closure and another ending?
Or does that mean the Shepard's won't be finished with ME3 as the initially said?

Seems more like a cop-out. 'Oh, but everything is continuing on even though you can't see it on screen. Closure is in your imagination!"

[lookingglassmind]

Hey, kids! I left this thread at page 120 last night, so now I have to do a ton of reading to catch up. \\

Any new developments?

[Elendstourist]

Guys, look at this!

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Source: http://www.gamefaqs....rds/995487-mass -effect-3/62208604

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my cousins husband works for bioware and i got some info this morning on the ending.
after shep is hit with the red beam he is indoctrinated by harbinger and its a hallucination of how shep thinks it would pan out, thats why anderson is there with you and your crew is magically teleported to the normandy on a planet and they all are safe, you will also see in the endings where shep lives that it shows him in a pile of rubble on earth and then he takes a breath for split second, my cousins husband also told me there will be dlc to continue the story in about a month.

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If that was real, we had the answer. Could be fake, still.

[FugitiveMind]

Just the random server crashes, and a few good eyeball shots a few pages ago