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[BleedingUranium]

iggy1eco wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

iggy1eco wrote...

iggy1eco wrote...

He isn't even listed in the credits =/

But the voice actor is Nicholas Boulton, yeah. Nicholas voiced Coats, while Simon Templeman from Dragon age origins, voiced Admiral Han'Gerrel Vas Neema and Dr.Gavin Archer.

That's very interesting because both the other characters are quite likeable and then as the story progresses, become less so. Maybe "less good" is a better term, though they're certainly not villains. If Coats turns out to be indoctrinated, that's three for three.

I think "less good" it's the best term, however they have strong motivations and stronger ambitions. Actually I see them no different from a Renegade Shepard judging by the actions they took. Shepard just is more flexible.

Renegade is probably the best description. I'm not against Renegade or anything, but I think someone who wants to get the job done no matter what, like Archer, Gerrel, and TIM, would be easier to indoctrinate into helping the Reapers because they'll do anything if they think it would help. A Paragon would be more unbreakable, like Anderson, who I honestly believe could not get indoctrinated, since, as we all know, indoctrination isn't mind control, but convincing someone of your way of thinking.

[Auralius Carolus]

BleedingUranium wrote...

The rest are like that too.

Scope IV is a backwards ACOG with a poorly modeled Docter sight, as another example. They all look so dumb it has to be a joke.

Also, the pic for Stability Mod is that odd device that's seen everywhere in Mass Effect, like a weird stick thingy that fixes stuff. And Piercing Mod is the ME1 weapon locker on its side.

Yep. And I also spotted an A2 Birdcage flash hider, an ACOG without the external light pipe, and what appeared to be a slightly modifed Phantom Sound Suppressor. I'm thinking that some of the lesser scopes were copies too, but I can't remember.

But at least the scopes and flash/sound suppressors somewhat looked appropriate. The Auto Mag barrel and AR-15 handguard "barrel" just came off as lazy and stupid looking.

[BleedingUranium]

balance5050 wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

You'd be pissed off Simon Templeton is voicing a bad guy? Has he ever NOT? Really, did anyone play Overlord and not realize that Dr. Archer was going to be the real villain as soon as he opened his mouth and Simon Templeton's voice came out? Anyone?

Well, Han'Gerrel was a good guy in ME2. And technically he's just trigger happy in ME3.

But it's less of a "Bad Guy" and more of "That character who's supposed to be a hero-going-on-legend then suspiciously pulls back his forces when the battle gets thick, who just happened to be voice acted by a guy who's character did the exact same thing in another game for the exact same company, and in which both characters, who do the exact same thing for the exact same company, share some physical resemblance" thing. 

*pants heavily*

Of course, that is assuming it's the same actor playing a Coats and Coats is actually a traitor.

Before realizing he might be a traitor, I wondered what purpose he served. He IS the one that suspiciously says "No one made it." and "We need to regroup."

Yeah, I too though there was a lot of effort put into him if his only real purpose was "oh hey, it's the guy from the trailer"...

[BleedingUranium]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

The rest are like that too.

Scope IV is a backwards ACOG with a poorly modeled Docter sight, as another example. They all look so dumb it has to be a joke.

Also, the pic for Stability Mod is that odd device that's seen everywhere in Mass Effect, like a weird stick thingy that fixes stuff. And Piercing Mod is the ME1 weapon locker on its side.

Yep. And I also spotted an A2 Birdcage flash hider, an ACOG without the external light pipe, and what appeared to be a slightly modifed Phantom Sound Suppressor. I'm thinking that some of the lesser scopes were copies too, but I can't remember.

But at least the scopes and flash/sound suppressors somewhat looked appropriate. The Auto Mag barrel and AR-15 handguard "barrel" just came off as lazy and stupid looking.

Yeah, I just don't use pistol barrels now, I can't stand to look at them, piercing + ammo FTW! Except on the Carnifex, cause that things really is a .44

Scope I is the Trijicon RX-01 reflex sight. It's the American reflex sight in Battlefield 3. And ugly.

[iggy1eco]

BleedingUranium wrote...
 A Paragon would be more unbreakable, like Anderson, who I honestly believe could not get indoctrinated, since, as we all know, indoctrination isn't mind control, but convincing someone of your way of thinking.

You mean in the conventional sense right? I mean, the Reapers improved the indoctrination into something more subtle that doesn't even require words. Just a presence. An aura. Like the thorian, but the Thorian uses spores instead.

[Wyatt Shepard]

So let me start by saying I actually dig Indoctrination Theory. I had a similar thought - "is this Reaper indoctrination? -" about 3/4 of the way through the ending, around the time you see Shepard having the bullet wound he inflicted on Anderson. And the fact that the annoying Star Child took the form of a kid who manifests Shepard's guilt and stress, and the reversal of the paragon and renegade options were a dead give aways that not everything we were seeing was as it appeared.

However, while parts of IT fit together well (like the weird, unlimited ammo super pistol that appears to be able to kill ANYTHING in a shot or two) there are parts I don't know fit together at all and sort of undermine the entire thing.

So my question is about particular thing that seems to be a big part of the theory - namely that Anderson bizarrely gets to the control room before Shepard after saying he "followed" Shepard up to the Citadel. The idea goes that he could not have possibly got the control room first because we only see one entrance and that being the case, how could Anderson get ahead of Shepard?

However, in a conversation with Bailey (and pls. forgive me if this has been addressed already) after the attempted Cerberus coupe, he tells us that once you get into the Citadel's "superstructure" you can pretty much get anywhere on the station. So is it not possible that we can take this at face value? That Anderson beamed up second, but was deposited in another place (He does say the walls are moving the station changing shape) and was, in fact, in the station superstructure, allowing him to get to the control room before Shepard. Would that not also explain how the IM got there without being seen by Shepard at all? He was creeping around in the superstructure....

meaning, I guess, that it really was Anderson and the IM and not just a manifestation of indoctrination working on Shepard's mind...thoughts?

[balance5050]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Oh, and if the voice actors/plot roles are the same then...

    

Loghain got a hair cut...

He simply looks like a traitor to me now. It's going to be hard  to reverse this in my personal canon.

[iggy1eco]

balance5050 wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Oh, and if the voice actors/plot roles are the same then...

    

Loghain got a hair cut...

He simply looks like a traitor to me now. It's going to be hard  to reverse this in my personal canon.

AAAAND...uses a gun with both hands for maximum acuracy, an automated kinectic shield and lighter armor. He's soooo the future now xD

[Unschuld]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Or Pistol/SMG's Revolver Barrel V

EWWW

*M16 snip*

Assault Rifle Extended Barrel V: Compressed AR-15 Handguard w/ A-Frame Front Sight

*automag snip*

Pistol High Caliber Barrel V: The Auto Mag .44 Barrel

http://ep.yimg.com/c...7_2205_94435232

Shotgun High Caliber Barrel V: Yankee Hill Phantom Flash Hider


^^^ Can't Escape a Gun Nut's eye ^^^

The rest are like that too.

Scope IV is a backwards ACOG with a poorly modeled Docter sight, as another example. They all look so dumb it has to be a joke.

Also, the pic for Stability Mod is that odd device that's seen everywhere in Mass Effect, like a weird stick thingy that fixes stuff. And Piercing Mod is the ME1 weapon locker on its side.

Glad I'm not the only one annoyed by this. Also, the assault rifle "barrett .50" flash suppressor. Ugh...

[BleedingUranium]

iggy1eco wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...
 A Paragon would be more unbreakable, like Anderson, who I honestly believe could not get indoctrinated, since, as we all know, indoctrination isn't mind control, but convincing someone of your way of thinking.

You mean in the conventional sense right? I mean, the Reapers improved the indoctrination into something more subtle that doesn't even require words. Just a presence. An aura. Like the thorian, but the Thorian uses spores instead.

Fair enough, I did. Might not apply with Reapers as much, as you said.

[balance5050]

Wyatt Shepard wrote...

So let me start by saying I actually dig Indoctrination Theory. I had a similar thought - "is this Reaper indoctrination? -" about 3/4 of the way through the ending, around the time you see Shepard having the bullet wound he inflicted on Anderson. And the fact that the annoying Star Child took the form of a kid who manifests Shepard's guilt and stress, and the reversal of the paragon and renegade options were a dead give aways that not everything we were seeing was as it appeared.

However, while parts of IT fit together well (like the weird, unlimited ammo super pistol that appears to be able to kill ANYTHING in a shot or two) there are parts I don't know fit together at all and sort of undermine the entire thing.

So my question is about particular thing that seems to be a big part of the theory - namely that Anderson bizarrely gets to the control room before Shepard after saying he "followed" Shepard up to the Citadel. The idea goes that he could not have possibly got the control room first because we only see one entrance and that being the case, how could Anderson get ahead of Shepard?

However, in a conversation with Bailey (and pls. forgive me if this has been addressed already) after the attempted Cerberus coupe, he tells us that once you get into the Citadel's "superstructure" you can pretty much get anywhere on the station. So is it not possible that we can take this at face value? That Anderson beamed up second, but was deposited in another place (He does say the walls are moving the station changing shape) and was, in fact, in the station superstructure, allowing him to get to the control room before Shepard. Would that not also explain how the IM got there without being seen by Shepard at all? He was creeping around in the superstructure....

meaning, I guess, that it really was Anderson and the IM and not just a manifestation of indoctrination working on Shepard's mind...thoughts?

My problem  is that there is no such thing as teleportation in the ME universe, when he goes up the conduit he effectively travels through layers of solid metal and whats more is he is flipped upside down in respect to Earth, his head is pointing straight down to Earth on the Crucible. 

Modifié par balance5050, 03 mai 2012 - 06:57 .

[BleedingUranium]

Unschuld wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Or Pistol/SMG's Revolver Barrel V

EWWW

*M16 snip*

Assault Rifle Extended Barrel V: Compressed AR-15 Handguard w/ A-Frame Front Sight

*automag snip*

Pistol High Caliber Barrel V: The Auto Mag .44 Barrel

http://ep.yimg.com/c...7_2205_94435232

Shotgun High Caliber Barrel V: Yankee Hill Phantom Flash Hider


^^^ Can't Escape a Gun Nut's eye ^^^

The rest are like that too.

Scope IV is a backwards ACOG with a poorly modeled Docter sight, as another example. They all look so dumb it has to be a joke.

Also, the pic for Stability Mod is that odd device that's seen everywhere in Mass Effect, like a weird stick thingy that fixes stuff. And Piercing Mod is the ME1 weapon locker on its side.

Glad I'm not the only one annoyed by this. Also, the assault rifle "barrett .50" flash suppressor. Ugh...

They should add an option to put on attachments without seeing them, like having helmets set to off.

That goes for the colour changing ones too, because my Arc Pistol has an orange body, teal grip, and dark blue glowy electrical part. Oh, and all the rest of my pistols are orange, and my Incisor is pink

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 03 mai 2012 - 07:01 .

[Rifneno]

BleedingUranium wrote...

They should add an option to put on attachments without seeing them, like having helmets set to off.

That goes for the colour changing ones too, because my Arc Pistol has an orange body, teal grip, and dark blue glowy electrical part.

I've never checked because it doesn't bother me, but if you're on PC you can probably change that stuff by messing with the Coalesced.  Probably take some experimenting to figure out which setting it is though.

[Unschuld]

BleedingUranium wrote...

They should add an option to put on attachments without seeing them, like having helmets set to off.

That goes for the colour changing ones too, because my Arc Pistol has an orange body, teal grip, and dark blue glowy electrical part.

For the barrels, I would have been perfectly happy if they used ONE MODEL to represent all of them, being the first upgrade you get (AR extended barrel I etc.). Those actually looked like they could fit. As for colors, that really disappointed me. When I heard weapon customisation was going to allow us to change not only aspects of the weapons but their looks as well, I thought that meant WE could dictate their appearance. NOT the upgrades themselves.

Modifié par Unschuld, 03 mai 2012 - 07:05 .

[Wyatt Shepard]

balance5050 wrote...

Wyatt Shepard wrote...

So let me start by saying I actually dig Indoctrination Theory. I had a similar thought - "is this Reaper indoctrination? -" about 3/4 of the way through the ending, around the time you see Shepard having the bullet wound he inflicted on Anderson. And the fact that the annoying Star Child took the form of a kid who manifests Shepard's guilt and stress, and the reversal of the paragon and renegade options were a dead give aways that not everything we were seeing was as it appeared.

However, while parts of IT fit together well (like the weird, unlimited ammo super pistol that appears to be able to kill ANYTHING in a shot or two) there are parts I don't know fit together at all and sort of undermine the entire thing.

So my question is about particular thing that seems to be a big part of the theory - namely that Anderson bizarrely gets to the control room before Shepard after saying he "followed" Shepard up to the Citadel. The idea goes that he could not have possibly got the control room first because we only see one entrance and that being the case, how could Anderson get ahead of Shepard?

However, in a conversation with Bailey (and pls. forgive me if this has been addressed already) after the attempted Cerberus coupe, he tells us that once you get into the Citadel's "superstructure" you can pretty much get anywhere on the station. So is it not possible that we can take this at face value? That Anderson beamed up second, but was deposited in another place (He does say the walls are moving the station changing shape) and was, in fact, in the station superstructure, allowing him to get to the control room before Shepard. Would that not also explain how the IM got there without being seen by Shepard at all? He was creeping around in the superstructure....

meaning, I guess, that it really was Anderson and the IM and not just a manifestation of indoctrination working on Shepard's mind...thoughts?

My problem  is that there is no such thing as teleportation in the ME universe, when he goes up the conduit he effectively travels through layers of solid metal and whats more is he is flipped upside down in respect to Earth, his head is pointing straight down to Earth on the Crucible. 

Except there is. The Conduit from ME 1 is essentially teleportation. It sent a tank with three crew men inside froma  planet on the other side of the galaxy into the station. And the Mass Relays are essentially teleportation devices, instantly moving ships from one start system to the next. I took the "beam" in London to be no different from the Conduit.

[iggy1eco]

Rifneno wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

They should add an option to put on attachments without seeing them, like having helmets set to off.

That goes for the colour changing ones too, because my Arc Pistol has an orange body, teal grip, and dark blue glowy electrical part.

I've never checked because it doesn't bother me, but if you're on PC you can probably change that stuff by messing with the Coalesced.  Probably take some experimenting to figure out which setting it is though.

There is an option to have shepard show no Helmet during conversations, other than that there is nothing else you can do to the HUD and all. Or at least, not much else. And I'm on PC.

[Arian Dynas]

[quote]BatmanTurian wrote...

I'm still back on page 1962 but I have to ask: Why did you guys even engage with HYR 2.0 in the first place? He's pro-synthesis, his L.I. is Jack, and he has no counterpoints other than " I'm right, you're wrong and deluded. "

I mean the pro-synthesis part was an obvious neon sign that accurately translates to indoctrinated idiot.[/quote]

Dude... why are you being so bigoted? He's not an indoctrinated idiot. He's just a regular garden variety idiot.

[quote]Arian Dynas wrote...

Holy ****. Consider me sold.[/quote]

While that was an excellent find by balance5050 (congrats BTW), I have to ask... you weren't already?  [/quote]

No no my friend, I was rent-to-buy. On a payment plan, no interest though, for you guys, a great deal.
I have always beleived IDT was the intention, but there was always lingering doubts. Considering this is what Casey himself said, basically describing word for word exactly the motivation that would make him indoctrinate us. Consider those doubts dispelled.

[quote]TheConstantOne wrote...

[quote]Auralius Carolus wrote...

Coates is a figure that the design team put some time into- enough to run him in a cinematic. Giving a character who only has very limited run time/impact in the story a main feed in a CGI is odd. Also, note that Coates- in the teaser- claims not to know what the Reapers are yet knows about Shepard's mission to get help. With Anderson leading Earth's resistance and being one of the only people who knows both about the Reapers and Shepard's flight, then the question must be begged: How does Coates know one without the other?

But about the CGIs- I have a hypothesis: We're not being shown everything yet. In the Take Earth Back cinematic trailer, it is clear that events shown are out of sequential order and that events from the original teaser with Coates were withheld, only to be added in in TEB. When one dissects the TEB Cinematic, placing each minute event slide in its proper sequence, it appears that they were cut from a longer feed and that parts are still missing. 

Given that the actual Shepard slides from TEB never transpire in ME3, (but can certainly be deemed important and parallel with game production), but that other events did, this is what I suggests: the entirity of these cinematics are being withheld, likely for the EC launch. This would, in turn, suggest that the "post-Reaper clean up duty" shown in TEB is a real possibility and that Coates is a stepping stone to get there. The possible relationship, (i.e., indoctrination, betrayal), would be be first revealed in the missing cuts. So what would we be getting? An Extended Cut.

[/quote]

You may be on to something.  You are certainly correct about putting such a minor character in CGI (in the announcement trailer no less!) as being very unusual.  I had wondered about this myself but I never pieced together the potential sabotage work being done by Coates.  If it's true that he is indoctinated....he just became very significant 

[/quote]

Maybe writing too much philosophy has fried my brains, but can someone explain this for me? I read and my mind fails to comprehend. 

[quote]Auralius Carolus wrote...

[quote]Either.Ardrey wrote...

As far as the Coates feeling off thing, I'd pretty much pin it down to that he gave the sinister stare almost every time we saw him. He looked evil. Like pouty Sith Anakin Skywalker evil. I had a really hard time believing he was supposed to be a good guy. Design 101.[/quote]

He certainly didn't resemble the exhausted and concerned Coats from the reveal trailer. Then again, I don't find him to look like his CG version at all. His voice is even different, though I suspect it's more tonal and filter based. 

He sounds like Simon Templeton, who's a Bioware regular. If so, then Loghain is fighting along side you. And if the Coats Theory is right, his character is doing exactly the same thing as in DA:O. How would that make me feel? PISSED OFF!

And here I thought their near copy-paste of an AR-15 handguard/A-Frame sight for Assault Rifle Extended Barrel V was bad... *gags*

[/quote]

This my friend, is what they call "type-casting" Seriously, have you ever seen Simon Templton play a good guy, with the sort of exception of Admiral Han'Gerrel, and that, well, you don't need me to say why do you? It'd be like trying to ask the same of John Malkovitch or Alan Rickman.

[BleedingUranium]

On a related note, did anyone else notice they removed the built in scopes from at least the Avenger, Vindicator, Mattock, hell, even the Saber? I think originally that's what the scope upgrade was going to add, which would have been cool.

[balance5050]

Wyatt Shepard wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Wyatt Shepard wrote...

So let me start by saying I actually dig Indoctrination Theory. I had a similar thought - "is this Reaper indoctrination? -" about 3/4 of the way through the ending, around the time you see Shepard having the bullet wound he inflicted on Anderson. And the fact that the annoying Star Child took the form of a kid who manifests Shepard's guilt and stress, and the reversal of the paragon and renegade options were a dead give aways that not everything we were seeing was as it appeared.

However, while parts of IT fit together well (like the weird, unlimited ammo super pistol that appears to be able to kill ANYTHING in a shot or two) there are parts I don't know fit together at all and sort of undermine the entire thing.

So my question is about particular thing that seems to be a big part of the theory - namely that Anderson bizarrely gets to the control room before Shepard after saying he "followed" Shepard up to the Citadel. The idea goes that he could not have possibly got the control room first because we only see one entrance and that being the case, how could Anderson get ahead of Shepard?

However, in a conversation with Bailey (and pls. forgive me if this has been addressed already) after the attempted Cerberus coupe, he tells us that once you get into the Citadel's "superstructure" you can pretty much get anywhere on the station. So is it not possible that we can take this at face value? That Anderson beamed up second, but was deposited in another place (He does say the walls are moving the station changing shape) and was, in fact, in the station superstructure, allowing him to get to the control room before Shepard. Would that not also explain how the IM got there without being seen by Shepard at all? He was creeping around in the superstructure....

meaning, I guess, that it really was Anderson and the IM and not just a manifestation of indoctrination working on Shepard's mind...thoughts?

My problem  is that there is no such thing as teleportation in the ME universe, when he goes up the conduit he effectively travels through layers of solid metal and whats more is he is flipped upside down in respect to Earth, his head is pointing straight down to Earth on the Crucible. 

Except there is. The Conduit from ME 1 is essentially teleportation. It sent a tank with three crew men inside froma  planet on the other side of the galaxy into the station. And the Mass Relays are essentially teleportation devices, instantly moving ships from one start system to the next. I took the "beam" in London to be no different from the Conduit.

That one connected to another conduit though, like all the relays, the conduit in ME1 was essenially a relay and it even looks like one:

 
 


The conduit in London looks nothing like this and just connects to some weird receiving area. Technology never seen before.

Modifié par balance5050, 03 mai 2012 - 07:15 .

[Auralius Carolus]

Unschuld wrote...

Glad I'm not the only one annoyed by this. Also, the assault rifle "barrett .50" flash suppressor. Ugh...

Oh yeah, that one is REALLY bad.

Mossberg put those on their Roadblocker Shotguns, but they don't work very well. You need a LOT of energy coming out of that barrel to make that thing useful.

Oh, and it's a muzzle break, not a flash suppressor: it causes some of the gas from the shot to jet backward and push the rifle forward, away from your shoulder. If you're ever near one at a range, it'll try to blow off everything on your marksman bench.

[Rifneno]

Wyatt Shepard wrote...

Except there is. The Conduit from ME 1 is essentially teleportation. It sent a tank with three crew men inside froma  planet on the other side of the galaxy into the station. And the Mass Relays are essentially teleportation devices, instantly moving ships from one start system to the next. I took the "beam" in London to be no different from the Conduit.

A fair point on the Conduit in ME1.  Other relays don't go through any solid matter though.  Explanation here.  Most important line that sums it up for the tl;dr version: "Mass relays function by creating a virtually mass-free "corridor" of space-time between each other."

[iggy1eco]

balance5050 wrote...

My problem  is that there is no such thing as teleportation in the ME universe, when he goes up the conduit he effectively travels through layers of solid metal and whats more is he is flipped upside down in respect to Earth, his head is pointing straight down to Earth on the Crucible. 

The Conduit is a method of teleportation. When I played ME1 I was like "teleportation really?" but well, 50.000 years age, Reaper tech...yeah must be possible.

[BleedingUranium]

Rifneno wrote...

Wyatt Shepard wrote...

Except there is. The Conduit from ME 1 is essentially teleportation. It sent a tank with three crew men inside froma  planet on the other side of the galaxy into the station. And the Mass Relays are essentially teleportation devices, instantly moving ships from one start system to the next. I took the "beam" in London to be no different from the Conduit.

A fair point on the Conduit in ME1.  Other relays don't go through any solid matter though.  Explanation here.  Most important line that sums it up for the tl;dr version: "Mass relays function by creating a virtually mass-free "corridor" of space-time between each other."

So, basically, it's like a telephone landline?

[iggy1eco]

It seems even EDI confirms the theory or the likeness of multiple possible universes. The ocasional space-time travel shouldn't surprise me, however I'm glad they used it just once or twice in the games. Maybe hundreds of thousands of years ago someone unleashed the reapers from another dimension and that's why they ocasionaly are 'traped' in dark space because they can't even reach another galaxy to settle for good, so they come milking the milky way over and over for some "excuse that we can't comprehend".

Ok, now that's my head calling for some sleep I guess.

Eh...Milking the Milky Way. See what I did there? Naaah....forget it.

Modifié par iggy1eco, 03 mai 2012 - 07:26 .

[balance5050]

iggy1eco wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

My problem  is that there is no such thing as teleportation in the ME universe, when he goes up the conduit he effectively travels through layers of solid metal and whats more is he is flipped upside down in respect to Earth, his head is pointing straight down to Earth on the Crucible. 

The Conduit is a method of teleportation. When I played ME1 I was like "teleportation really?" but well, 50.000 years age, Reaper tech...yeah must be possible.

No, you are just being propelled at insanely fast speeds inside a space/time corridor. By teleporting I mean dissapearing from one spot and reappearing in another, ala Star Trek's teleportation deck. Relays ALWAYS need a partner relay, to open these corridors. Mass Effect Wiki:

"There are two kinds of mass relay, primary and secondary. Primary relays can propel a ship thousands of light years but only link to one other relay, its "partner". Secondary relays can link to any other relay over shorter distances, only a few hundred light years."

There is NO receiving relay in the ending scene.

Modifié par balance5050, 03 mai 2012 - 07:28 .